[000:00:00;00] the, the same as the times you've all seen my done to the us crime that's done and turned in so isn't being present in ukraine. well, the rush is bordered from like beads and coming in at the weapons and training pass . according to the shell report released by the new york times was what was the take another phone line towel on the bottle feeling fine. this is capture of, of the, of got and is now put sending and putting new folders to the box. the region, the bunch of freedom supports the union of songs gather outside the u. k. i quote that his legal team made the final effort to stop the whistle blow from being expedited to the us

where he faces a 175 years in prison, exposing america that seems to be good on the following. and these yeah, cause list sanctions imposed on molly and book, you know, process and comes off of the 3 nations for them to exit. removing those all the weekly headlines up next time. see the little button on top of that will be back to the top of the out, bye for now. the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered non peter all about the united states. it is, are but a vassal states or the coalition against peace from ukraine because it is defined

in ministration. it is an, as most of the world and historic wind is blowing against the west. the crust talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media and also in rome. we have ramsey are rude. he is a palestinian authoring journalist and b route. we cross the ellen island medina. he is a coordinator for the policy, any one democratic state initiative in lebanon. right? gentleman cross type roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate rumsey, let me go to you 1st here. i mean, we were uh, in the after glow the united states for the 3rd time rejecting a cease fire at the united nations security council. quite interestingly. and in a man i usually don't quote on this program. if i do quote it, it's very disparagingly is joseph burrell. we who is what b e. u high commissioner for foreign policy. and he was set in a recent venue that there was

a historic wind blowing against the west. his words and the rejection of the united states almost singularly alone in the world against a ceasefire. putting to put the 2 together for me. so the world knows what he's talking about, peter, i mean this is a man who kind of assigns himself to these kind of higher understanding of the world and, and he referred west to europe as a jungle. and as a, as a garden in the rest of the world is a jungle this fine to so he thinks in philosophical terms, and he knows he knows that he's correct. that in fact, the united states has deprived itself, but also it's western allies. and it's all, i've any way of the world, from any kind of legitimacy to, uh, to international law, to, uh, conflict resolution. i mean, the fact that, uh, the uh, we deal with b to for the 3rd time, not doing any sort of political decision that could be jeopardizing the with being

with israel. that's rather of she is between media to humanitarian says buyer to steve. oh, and what about to just are dying from hunger in northern goes up and people are dying in there. so i was in the girls as should yet the united states still found that objectionable. so how do you just defined that based on the national law, how do you just to play that one on based on political expediency or necessity. there is no moral legal, ethical, or political justification to the behavior of the united states as the u. s. legitimacy. since it's allies, well, all of the rest are going to sink as well. all yeah, that's the at separately through the u. k is, so i'm mentioning the possibility of limiting some parts to these really military because they see the historical wind blowing against them. you know, line or,

you know, j a joe biden, you know, even on his best days is, is a bit confused, and i'm being generous here and it's been released to the media that he has some quite disparaging things to say about fee is rarely prime minister netanyahu words i can't pronounce on this program, but you could well imagine the most powerful man in the world is being pulled around by the nose, by the israeli prime minister. and only thing the boat abiding can do is swear. lionel, i would like uh, if i could to, to call my segment. uh, the natives are clueless or view from the fish bowl because i represent to you what is happening, what i see here in my country. i know what is the for the west, but i'll speak for american media by 1st question that i have to ask everybody and you gentlemen perhaps maybe, can help me with this. why do we use the term ceasefire to the you, you it that americans believe is somehow how mouse isn't this, that there is a battle going on in there. there is just firing that,

that is real to say we will stop firing when you have our us retreat from your miles of tunnels india. and i'm thinking of myself, there is no, it is unilateral. we don't need a cease fire. one could argue just stop firing, it's like if i take you hostage and i negotiate to cease fire, the police are going to say we have a no, no, it's you, you've taken this. so that's the 1st thing. the 2nd problem we have is americans in american media still don't understand the term genocide. we have to change this. they're taking a railroad cars and house rich, and that is true. but we also very quickly have to explain i c c. first is i, c, j. i am still trying to explain to people what that means. we use the terms interchangeably. so again, from the fish bowl here while you generate gentleman live in a more rarefied world,

i am trying to explain the scenario and rudiments of what's happening basically, according my fellow americans with reality. yeah, big line on that i can go to our guest and they root allen, you know i, i don't want to sound perverse or anything, but i think if they set up gas chambers and gaza it, it still wouldn't change. the american administration's position. that's how, how pathetic and terrifying our time is right now. go ahead now and and be root to . thank you for having that. i agree, i think it is indeed pathetic and i think it's good to try and understand. what are the powers in the us that are actually benefiting from this situation? because it's definitely not, not us society that is benefiting from the dentist side. one of the 2 events that can help us understand what's happening is when we look at a talk, which of these 3 in the lobby in the us are spending tens of millions of dollars literally by us representatives, side b, u. s. population are electing them. but then

a pack is stealing them from the people who elected them to represent them. so we also have, and we can also see what's happening with the, the capitalist, the nature of the us, for example, in the arguments industry that they called the defense industry. much like the i d . s, and the chief of luck sees which makes hundreds of millions of dollars. a said the in october 2023, north call for an end to the aggression to all the problems can only be solved with weapons and we are ready to deliver these weapons. on the other hand, us society is definitely not to benefit him from all this identity. terry and repore that design is through using so for when biting says the jews are not facing the us. instead of sending a very bad message to you as to as an adult, to us, non jews. so really the u. s. society needs to be freed from this capitalist. yeah . but i know how it's really i thought you got the idea to terry and issue. i think i'm glad you brought that up because ramsey, you know,

we have the current american representative to be united nations. i think on her 1st day she was saying something like the un has to investigate racism in america, which kind of surprised a lot of people being the ambassador, the united nations. but the united states is protecting one of the most racist societies in the world. israel a suit today as i mean the discourse, addictions maybe are obvious to you and to be and, and hopefully to an increasing number of americans as well. but it still hasn't. between that we just stood with the warning clauses in the united states. i think it's really what can be kind of brought down to this on the very day that that the american representative and the february 20 of the security council. february 20 on that very day in which she was ordered to be told. and a julia visited with ocean demanding an ink uh, basically into this we can do site in gaza and logo is correct. this is, i mean it,

but as soon as we get fired back, if this weight is on the fire and them, so it's not really a ceasefire in a tradition of were sort of says that very day by day has actually been have this is more than he was as but to do a fund raising a party for if body it pro is will be in a who is giving a lot of money to the democratic party. so. so this is what it really comes down to a mutual a my pleasure ends with ramsey. we have to be clear, the, the same billionaires that you're making reference to. they give to republicans and the democrats, because they say, billionaires, they have only one issue, is real. okay, that's what i and, and of course, you know, the, if you, if you don't go along with it, you get primary in both parties. ok, that's how dangerous a such a way. pathetic it is. you know, line all it's interesting is that we've heard the term to state solution. i mean, all of us on this panel and much of our audience have heard this all of their lives

. ok. but isn't it interesting line, or there are no states stopping the genocide? you know, they talk in a 2 state solution is the ideal which i think is a fraud at this point. but no state. and we can't even say yemen because of who these though control all of them in button b this the international state system is not doing anything to stop in genocide, which because due to the conventions after the 2nd world war, they were, they were, it was an encompassing cup and upon them to do that line on. yeah, yeah, absolutely. a couple of things here. but if, if i go to add another development that i'm hearing, because if it were not for the internet, if it were not for new platforms with new voices. and by the way, the gentleman people that i'm listening to who before october, the 7th, that i would have not spent a moment listening to them. now i'm finding unique solidarity. i came upon vanessa redgrave in 1978, accepting the academy award. and she made

a statement about zionism and israel as i listen to this, and you would have thought at the end, i remember the time that this was the most right. and talking about palestine, yasser arafat, the po, oh, what kind of a demented i. well, i know we betray our age, i remember it to keep going and patch patty tri epsky, who wrote from network came right afterwards and excoriated her for that. here's the interesting part. what she said is my old to what we're hearing on a regular basis. and very quickly, i'm here recently, which is i have not heard before, of american jews coming forth and in the marketing and separating the notion of judaism save americanism. but zion is, for the 1st time i have never heard people trying to de mark aid the fact that, that the, the acceptance of the design and the reason we do not necessarily conflict. the

other is like non non overlapping, magisterial. i mean, let me get out one and here before we go to the break, but that's such an excellent point here. you know, ellen, you know, lionel is a talking about something that i grew up with and we were all talked to be zine is that that was it. but we weren't aware of really what that meant. okay. and now when you get to a point where genocide is being committed, you have to stand up and say what you believe and what you don't believe. and you know, joe biden says he says i and this. okay, so he supports this say this is the, the, the barriers that we're, we're, we're encountering in this conversation. go ahead out. and before we go to the break, i think that's just using the expression a 2 state solution implies that it's a solution. it's actually not the state of as well as a states that defines itself as a said exclusive to do that is the original problem. and it can only leads to, i think, sensing and genocide as what size of your thing today. so all the states and the

world would say they support to the to states non solution are really for now and hold that thought. unfortunately, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine state without the the, [000:00:00;00] the, the beauty of a story, these couple of them, the border of authority yourselves originally inspected, and i said, you mean the one that should have? yep. pets again. so facility based in yet that would you like me to just keep photos that anybody's industry kind of look at the ground,

the at the steel bundle ski at the, at the site. the goal at this we had looked at the new year of the as i said, it was a miss level that they use as c assessment. ready this form with year of experience of foot levels to say in nearest the blue bush and you for that any percentage of the time is that, that you're so busy today you would say because you have to just refresh the senior the, the, the welcome back across the dock were all things are considered computer lavelle to remind you were discussing palestine

the fewest go back to ramsey in room. you know, the, the number of falls so it's, and the level of deception is really quite incredible. coming from the it leads and from their minions in the media here. that number one, the, the american ambassador to the united nations. he said, the united states voted against val julian resolution because of the ongoing hostage talks in plans, which is patently untrue. i mean, you can watch international media and the guitar is saying, no, it's not going away. looks bad. okay. i mean that was not a false premise. and again, we were we, we mentioned um the 1st part of the program, the 2 state solution. i mean, here you have american officials, tony blinking, who comes out like an undertaker every time he speaks to the public, you know, say united states police and the 2 state solution, and then the same new cycled and then yeah, what is it? i spent my whole life just a just to this drawing that possibility. and then you have the israeli government or the kinetic going, i'm having a vote, which is meaningless. i'm an international level against any possibility of us to

take the state solution, but nobody in western media show is that how the to conflict, go ahead. a single thing. i mean, it's remember that in also the american invasion of the law when the w bush was blamed for having a plan for war, we went towards but not having a pet for peace. he came up with the road road map to peace. and we know how that's worked out in, in palestine and as well. and i think this is something very similar to it. we all tried to create a distraction from the war by creating this platform in which we are supposed to engage in to talk about the possibilities and what kind of state is it going to be of a state to a hopeless state or it's going to be of this armed and as yet, and a lot of people said they are engaging in a conversation and you will have 2300000 people who are starving to death. so i

think the discussion about the state is the solution has nothing to do with peas and it has everything to do is to basically have a smoke somewhere else as, as well, finishes. it's doing this side against the palestinians. many people are engaging that with the winning good or and what seems to be what is it extremely dangerous, political joy? that is really a again just precinct instruction. you know, a line. oh it's it's, it's very, as we are speaking right now. the israeli government is made it clear that it will go into rafa and the, the israel, the government wants some kind of plan for the protection of civilians. i, i have no idea where they're, what they're talking about, where are they supposed to go in? and again, they're telegraphing what they're going to do, and the only thing the american administration can do, and it's western allies is wag their finger. we better not do that well, considering everything that they've done today. why wouldn't,

why wouldn't they stop line on a, you know, a, peter, i'm a lawyer by training and one of the things we do in contract law is the notion of severability when, when something is a part of a contract doesn't work. you don't throw the whole thing out, you just pull that out and you separate the part of it. it doesn't work. there are many, many moving parts to this issue here. and the other day prince william said, i believe something rather rational. he said something about we have to stop the killing in gaza. the reaction from the western media was what kind of heretical nonsense is this? so i'd like to say again from the 1st bowl where i am to say before we talk about tuesday, wednesday, what, whatever, let's talk about. is it, do we all agree that it's a good idea to stop the killing of innocent people? men, women, children not not to abandon the fight against terrorism or how much? no, no, no, no, no. but just right now, let's start with that. and

a friend of mine, very astute actually said, i saw, i said, can we do that? and they said yes, this is like an all or nothing idea. yeah, i guess it goes back gentleman to the idea that people don't really understand what this is because they imagined as a more with sides and village everything uniforms and take the high ground. when in fact, this is an incursion, this is something that really doesn't have a definition. it's a, it's a state against either of people, an idea it, it does not have any historical antecedent. so we have to explain very simply that stopping killing, just this human as humans to humans. this in no way, ab negates the responsibility that people have to stop terrorism and, and, and say over the water. but that, but that, that approach there, if i can go to alan and, and be rude we, we have to kill as many as possible. so we can stop killing. i mean, that's what it sounds like to me. yeah, definitely. i think that's our induction in itself. is

a tool that has to be used for political projects. it's either a design is political project or project of genocide, or the policy and project, which is a project for a secular and democratic palestinian state. so we're not against a use of force in itself. we are against the concept of a racist project and for its anti jesus, the democratic project? well, the, the only solution ramsey, you're the ultimate expert on this here is that they, it, historically we have already come to the solution and it's a one state solution where everyone must be treated equally. i can see line and i can say that as americans, you know, i remember i was small, i always wanted very little bit. i do remember jim crow. okay. and you have to do that. you have to come to terms where everyone has to be equal under the law. now, ramsey, we know that because of a zine is a night, is impossible, but that's why we need to get rid of zionism. that's exactly right. i think when we

talk about the one state versus 2 states, it appears as if we're discussing a technical issues, what is doable? what is politically plausible achievable, but it, as a lot of t, it's really is not a bad solution. it's about the reality that you have 2 groups of people, one that is empowered on the arm that supported by the united states. what is this empowered marginalized and is just basic basic, this serving the will of the victim for the last 75 years. in order for us to achieve this relationship, we need to examine the ideology that we don't want to dismiss in the 1st place. jewels are up, pushes muslims are lived in that last for a long, long time, and they were just fine designed as a arrived lead, like essentially the 20th century, created this ideological mess, this racism of this horrific to link up in that is yet to stop. also out of the see

if we need to get rid of zionism entirely in order for us to even start talking about the possibility of coexistence line. oh it, what is it in terms of the united states 1st? so they will go globally how, how is this affecting the biking presidency? because, you know, globally, i think, you know, as things stand now as we speak, this is the legacy of the bible administration. a genocide. ok, now i, you've been coming on every week and, and, and demonstrating to us americans think very differently about that because you keep going back to the face bowl. what is it in terms of his legacy now going into re election? so that's the critical part, because up till now, the democrats and republicans have been 2 sides of the same coin. they have been lock step, and there has been absolutely no political repercussions whatsoever. if you were to stray from this. the moment that the real democrats younger, the l. c,

brand, the bernie sanders rides the group and contingent, the moment they get some type of, of, of watch that were i got a hold on this. and the moment it becomes a political issue. that's when it changes, but right now both sides are identical and for reasons i will never understand this gets a frame. yeah, we'll, we'll talk about nevada and they probably won't talk about gonzalo laira, we'll dog about and joe julian hassan. but not really. and, and how, how this is the suppression, by the way, and, and we allow the suppression of information to, to occur. the moment it stops the moment somebody somewhere, whether it's gavin newsom or whoever the democratic nominee is going to be, who says we have to separate ourselves from the other. presume now many donald trump who is in lock step, the moment that happens, that's one of the changes. yeah, but the in, i can't wait for it, but let's not hold our breath at the same time. no. and now, and you're in

a route. if there is every indication, considering the a mass meant of israeli forces on the lebanese border that uh, there could be another attack on lab and on. this is not the same as it was before . but how worried are you? because you're in be rude. what year within hitting a they um, these really is easily and they've done it many times before ahead bay with people in love and i'm worried that netanyahu and his government will expand the more north i am the person in the another freight. okay. um, i know that as long as it's really exists, so we are in danger. so damn estimates of troops is just something, it's an immediate danger, but the danger has always been there. unfortunately, the new society is not trained and ready to face to extract because we are also suffering from our own regime, which is also a colonial constituents addressing him, which also politicize his identity. so unfortunately, we are fragmented. we are military capable of facing through. we have and we've

succeeded in $22006.00, but we need a political program full, so 11, and that's united, less than face of all danger. you know, every lebanese person that comes out of my program is, has the same thing. you know, we're not afraid. okay. it's so good to hear that. ok, because we're not happy with the experience. teaches you a lot around. so we about one minute and 30 seconds left. i've been doing this with lionel now for week after week after week. can you give us any help? please, please give us some hope. you know, the hope comes from the people a 100 nearly a 140 days of constant is 80 war. the pedestal and people are not giving up. they have every intention of can revive to continue resisting as the adult for many, many years. in fact, despotic, this lease has to be american racism of these vito's. oh, because the palestinians wouldn't give up as long as opposed to me is do not give up and the want the with or was the whole for feet modest. but it yes. and it

really interesting, you said, because you know, the, as, as an american, you know, the whole issue of race is constantly being brought up is you comes from the left almost all the time here. but you know, it, one thing that i would like to see happen is that if you want to talk about race, talk about it in a real sense. because if everything is race has been, nothing is. but if you know, then, then you have to examine the foreign policy and, you know, i've said, you know, so many attempt for years now. if americans only knew what their foreign policy was supporting and supporting a her risk regime. and israel go ahead, finish up for us, ramsey, or oh, absolutely. i think that the, the issue of racism has been reduced of love football as a subject to politic amended nation. and it has succeeded for political reasons for the specially the democrats of the us. and so forth, but the actual research that exist of people being killed because they are the room of mississippi, the room raised the rolls of skin color,

the little religion. it's happening right now and people are dying and they don't, it's, it's just, it's not, it's not a political slogan. it is something that is very real and, and it can be addressed and should be addressed. and it's all incumbent upon the us government to do that. i don't have a whole lot of gentlemen, that's all the time we have. i want to take my guess in room in new york and, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at

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