is that it was the way the news is recorded in friend here in israel. first of all, it does everything is massively under reported and reports on, on the number of deaths and the extensive damage. you are always on the present it as uh, as, as something not to be fully believe the sources of information or not the are supposedly pro palestinian. so how can we trust them? and even if something is recognized then either as an isolated incident or a mistake or irrelevant in the general scheme of things. and in fact is real is, is uh, is managing to pass along this perception also to its uh, imperial patrons. okay. i'm special and we're gonna, when i have to leave it that, but thank you very much for your insight. interesting to hear what is not being reported in the preston israel. that was a rosenberg has an anti war activist in hyphen in israel,

and much appreciated certainly well, all of this week rushes black sea coast is bristling with the young and inquisitive mind that coming from all around the globe. and they've got that back for the world, use festival. now, throughout the event, we're going to be bringing you all special comfortable, nancy, the the, it's a 3 of the festival lights in full swing and rushes for administer aesthetic. a lot for off has been sharing his views that i touching on the west participation in the ukrainian conflict as well as the recent intercepted conversation of jim and come on. this was the police just don't know. she has been known for a long time that the british, french and americans in the form of instructors, had been working on the territory, the train for a long time, helping to maintain long range systems which are transferred to ukraine in huge

numbers. the assistance provided to crane has already exceeded $250000000000.00 in 2 years. and during the same period, all african countries receive 60000000000 from the west side of it. so the priorities in the west are clear. the words that come out of the mouth of western figures, including the conversation that was revealed, the recording of this conversation by german generals was widely distributed then the reaction of german politicians was interesting or some of whom were concerned that there was a leak in the networks that ensure the security of negotiations, that is the very fact of training german specialists on weapons to attack the russian federation, including the crimean bridge and ammunition. depos does not surprise them because perhaps western countries have found the right word to legalize and the public spirit, the very idea of sending ground forces of individual nato countries to europe over the us secretary of defense, lloyd austin, who recently left the hospital, said more specifically what he was talking about, namely that a few crane lose is sort of the nato will be obliged to act against russian. well,

sort a laughter off just wrapped up his address to the world use for him as we just saw there covered a wide array of topics from the upcoming russian presidential elections to israel's assault on gaza. but of course, uh, one of the main topics of discussion there was, the ukraine conflicts, the russian presence of russian foreign minister, sir j lab. ralph said that essentially the west is trying to scam the world in terms of what they talk about in terms of when it comes to defense, for example, they say that they are interested in their own defense. but at the same time, they accuse russia of having plans to attack europe despite moscow rejecting this time and time again when it comes to having nato troops and ukraine, they hide behind excuses like saying their mercenaries, or recently retired from service as well in terms of israel moscow, according to survey live rob had recently received information that the title of

the televisions embassy in moscow was planning to interfere in the upcoming russian presidential elections. after that, the russian foreign ministry had called a meeting with these is really diplomats in question to essentially persuade them out of doing that. and it was actually at the very last moment that the israelis that were supposed to come to that meeting had backed out. and this is something that lab rome said has made it quite difficult to maintain a good relationship between moscow and tel aviv right now, especially with what the foreign minister called carpet bombing and blood letting in gaza. that's going on right now. he actually made a, a comparison. he said that between from division in, in terms of the amount of civilian casualties. there were in the ukraine conflict on both sides since 2014. that number is lower than the amount of civilian casualties we've seen and gaza in just 5 months of is really assaults on that area

. and at the same time, we see the west supporting israel and giving unprecedented sanctions and pressure to russia. so this is something that, of course, the russian foreign minister saw as a serious double standard. but that was basically an overview of the main things that surgery laugh. rob was able to talk about his address to the world news for him. while at the festival we spoke on the sidelines with the power of guess to get their impressions and insights. i think it's absolutely for to see 20000 young people gathering together to think about notes and that to future. i mean with the scope of the 3 cabins eating habits definitely is not working for me. so people exploring alternatives for and they should be encouraged, and ex vivian says yes because of the youth are inside bricks. to that extent, they hope, hopefully they engagements here and dresser will also contribute to the prospectors as individual members of the goods and the bricks plus as well. no,

a lot of entails an addition, especially their branding, and so i'm busy on yeah, i'll tell him is by the way of for the whole world to come in to this country to show how we can show the intel out how we can move in fees with one another, we have no sun, we uh, we have benefiting so much on the education sake. so what about funded scholarships? it's old ones and more scholarships. while i used was, we're a no sign, no secrets out this well and needs of these instances the time, right. sanchez, i've been doing news about 30 years into languages all over the world here in the united states. have interviewed for presidents and i'm also working for the united

states as major television networks. i'm not crazy about what they do. you see, i do think new should be impactful, but more importantly, it needs to be honest and direct. and this is direct impact the for, i want to start with something really cool. so there's this image that's part of american history. it's not our best him. it which, but it's perhaps the most iconic visual of the war in vietnam. and, and it, and it's in the news again because of something that some politicians are trying to push through, which i am going to eventually explain to you. but 1st, so let's talk about the image here. it is. that is what the end of the vietnam war looked like. a more that by the way, as you're looking at that image, a war that we lost. and that's important. see, i think it's important to admit that we lost that bore, you know, why 1st?

because despite what defense contractors are politicians and the media who serve them, want us to believe it's the truth. and that's important. and 2nd, because that war was very on democratic, it wasn't a war that americans chose, in fact, it wasn't even a war that are elected officials. jose, no, it was a war chosen by n for c. i a, let's do this. now. let's go back to that image of the helicopter at the us embassy inside gone, because i want to show you something there. you see that see that image. what's happening in that image is that the via con, who us troops spent more than a decade battling or about to take over their country and us soldiers, their friends and their families were scurrying to get out of the country. get out of sight gone. but there's something about that image that you need to know about. like most things having to do with the war. i think the overwhelming number of

american people think that this was an air force helicopter on top of the u. s. embassy, it was then does ended one of the most tragic and controversial chapters in us history and their america had been there every step of the way? no, it wasn't. it was an air america helicopter, and the man to the right is a c. i. a agent which is befitting because if there's such a thing is the beginning of the deep state, it probably happened around the time of the vietnam more, you know, why? because we now know that the bulk of that war and southeast asia, it was started and conducted by an intelligent community made of elected or should i say, all the elected officials who had absolutely no accountability of the us congress or even the us military. so if you're asking, what is this air american thing you're talking about, rick sanchez? let me explain. this is fascinating. you're gonna love this. they were

a secret air force made up of civilian pilots, recruited by the c i a who reported only to them because they owned c. i a did the entire operation. almost everybody at one time and other headphone special project mentions of some type or another where they were briefed and, and told him, maintain secrecy. and a lot of time, he really didn't even know what the project was. you were told to go to a certain place and accomplish to certify. and if you didn't have a need to know, he didn't ask any questions. but you know, who was asking questions at the time. the vietnamese, they were sick and tired of the french who had invaded them, occupied them, and seemed to want to tell them what type of government they should choose. the fall of b and b and food brought an end to a century, a french colonial presence, an indo china to this actually is the same, the end of the frontier and the beginning of an american here. so when the french

were finally beaten back and they gave up and surrendered, somebody else stepped up to once again tell the vietnam is what to do and how to jews and run their government. and who do you think that was? if you guess, see, i would be right and i did it with the help of none other than air america who executed their heavy work from a secret mountain hideout and allows a country that borders vietnam and a huge arrow american c. i a complex this dirt strip quickly became one of the world's biggest airports that place that you're looking at right there. that's a long chang. they are the see. i recruited and exploited the minority population of people who were called mon or so they paid by the way and they outfitted and they trained to fight the north vietnamese,

the united states. so all the mom is being able to act as surrogates in terms of not having to introduce american troops into the area. so the central intelligence agency gave them long training and modern arms. so air america, pilots, and other employees were said to be or pretended to be working for a private transportation company. but their true mission was pretty simple. beat back and destroy the new government of vietnam because c, i officials believed it was simply too cozy to friendly with china from the beginning files, particularly those who were involved in the cobra operations side of the fly that were aware that they were at least working for the central intelligence agency, there was no attempt over to the skies. this at the secrets was the ownership of the company. and there was only a handful, doesn't fit, perhaps out of several 100. with no sense, the company was in fact,

owned by the central intelligence agency with practically nonexistent oversight. arrow america under the direction of the c, i did with effort wanted to do whatever it wanted to do it. and they also seem to answer directly to only one person who was also not an elected official. that happened to have the name, henry kissinger. and every night this information was coded and set down to just mag in bangkok, back to washington and kissinger. yes. the vietnam war ended in failure for the u. s. military. it brought about the death of almost $60000.00 us troops and disastrous consequences for many of the people of vietnam and cambodia. and especially for the la ocean monk who were almost wiped out of leaving their children, were recruited in force to fight. and what was by then

a lost cause. towards the end, there were very few young man. we did our best to keep the 13 and 14 year olds out of the out of the line. but the they did show up and there was just the terrible and tragic loss of the young man and among nations. for all practical purposes, most of the generation of mom was destroyed. one would think that us politicians, members of the intelligence community, the military, batt brass and others would have learned something from the horrors and the failures that we all suffered as a country from the vietnam war. we did. in fact, that model that was ushered in with arrow america, the secret air force accountable to no one but the c i continued operating even expanded similar emissions in parts of africa. iran, latin america. in fact, someone say that it became even more brazen with attempted political assassinations

fomented close and secret or proxy armies. but finally, finally in 1976, one long us senator stood up to the c. i a and said by stuff enough. and as a result, the us select committee, led by frank church, determine that what they were doing with just on democratic and it was wrong and it was cruel. and it sense, so in a report detailing what they had done 6 link free books of information, they put up. now you would have thought, right? you would have thought that that would have put an end to it, but did it. and then it stopped the so called deep state as it is often called the answer to that question. arrived in the 1986 the border between nicaragua and its neighbour honduras, where the contracts are based becomes a war. so the sandinista is declare a state of emergency and begin to remove peasants from villages in the area that

includes the brutal relocation of the mosquito in use. that is one, many of the same error america. pilots who flew in vietnam were tied to another c. i a lead scandal which this time included elaborate arms deals with a ron and a drug running operation in central america that became known as the iran contra affair. american pilots for interesting projects all over the world. they flew in africa and middle east. we had a lot of helicopter pilots around up and i ran right up until the shawl left in the tower showed up. so there you have that is, how many are you with all the again, call it the state, call it a on democratic policies, or maybe it's just foreign policy. run a mark, whatever it is, whatever you want to call it. we can say that it likely began with something called air america, which is once again, that is why, well,

let me explain their americans and the news because of something being called the air america act offered by none other than republican senator marker rubio, who wants to guarantee the retirement benefits of the, especially milledge and official military recognition to those 1000 or so us citizens. there may be more to work for the company. worked for air america a start. when we come back, we're going to be joined by none other than john kerry ok. now he works for the c i . c wants to have a conversation about this, and i guarantee you, it's going to be a good one, the

the. all right, let's get through it before we run out of time. very is john kerry, aka. let's have a conversation about this. yes. testing story. it is. and, and the fact most people don't even know about this. i didn't know what air america was. well, the see, i never even came out with an acknowledgment that error america was a part of the c i until well into the 19 ninety's, maybe after 2000. that's amazing. they just went around america picking up civilian pilots and they created a company that wasn't really a company. it was. busy run by them. that's right. and that's kind of how we got into the vietnam war before the soldiers got there. and you know, an interesting part of the story. what has come out just in the last couple of weeks as part of the story is that it wasn't just weapons and,

and rockets and mortars and things like that. they were carrying water, buffalo and chicken, and drugs and drugs. and you know, this is how and i'm not saying no, i sighed, i've read the, i've done my research on this and i've heard some of the pilots who said, look, it's unfair to say we were a drug running operate. yeah. but it's also unfair to refute the fact that we had drugs as part of our car, and that was it. and that was, and that's how we know this from, from convicted drug. uh. can you paint? yeah, in new york city, for example, who said that they got most of their drugs from southeast asia, thanks to air america. pilots who were moonlighting and then they did the same thing. remember the house and from the front. they did the same things in like a rock. what else? salvador and orange? that's right, right? that's right. that's the interesting thing about this is and this important question, cuz i've, i've got friends of mine who were in the military and we had an argument about this . the other day i said to these guys deserve a pension and do they deserve military recognition. and they were adamantly saying,

absolutely not, i agree, you know, a contractor is not a soldier. that's it, that's it. these were, but it's, there were more can to mercenaries, then they were to soldiers. everything they did was off the books and you asked a very good question. i know it was a rhetorical one thing. last, a good question in your intro, and that is where it was we oversight. there was no oversight. these guys were free to do literally anything they wanted. they were breaking the law every single day that they had those contracts. do you think it's the be the way i wrote this story? cuz the more i looked into it, the more fascinated i was, it seemed to me that this was the origins of what later became the div state or whatever we call today that the state, whatever they know about it, right. but that there's some of the various outfit out there often times the and the c i a has, it's a, it's technicals involved in that. me that makes decisions that don't go through

congress, don't go through the president and somehow affect all of us anyway. that's right. i think, i think you've hit the nail on the head and it's continued until today. you know, when there's no oversight, when there is no rule of law, when there's nobody to say, no, you can't do that. then that is a deep state. you don't just just this week we learned that n s a rather than to go to court and to get a, a warrant, for example, is just going to i s p as in big tech companies in buying meta data on american citizens. it's the same thing. it's all an extension of this deep states that began with an organization like air mass. so you, you, you can uh, fill us in on how this thing can work. i understand there are things, the c i a must do because they are important and they must be done in such a way so that they don't become public. sure. is that fair?

the way i just write that to look. and so i'm not saying everything has to be told right after they do it. however, if something reaches the point where people are dying and soldiers are being given, missions, bombing runs are being executed. isaac, somebody who's an elected official, at least, if not the entire population needs to know. absolutely right and listen, lowe's, you talked about louse being the base of air america, allow us with a neutral country. at the time, we pulled those poor people into a conflict that they didn't need to be. and we, we talked about 60000, almost 60000 americans being killed in vietnam. maybe as many as 2000000 views in the east. what about the people of laos? yeah, their country is still completely top of the city. we built the lawn chair with an airport. that's what we used to do military operations, including the la la oceans, to attack the v at the me as well. i don't like the fact that the vietnamese chose communism. i don't what communism?

sure. but if you want to choose communism in your an independent country, that's your damn business. that's it. i don't understand. i've never understood what i hear because they're all their comment is again, i don't what kind of is it? that's like a huge too much walkthrough. i'm not going to kill him. you know? like so. so this whole idea that we had back then, which i think still sort of exist today is i don't like the form of government that they've chosen. i don't like the guy that they elected. i don't like their prime minister, the damn business. i mean, you can change it, but you can't attack them. you're exactly right. you know, so many of us who have been in washington for a long time and have been in the circles for a long time. are now using the taliban as an example. everybody is a terrorist. now what does it tell us? what the thing is? we can do. you can who, who are the tell a bon. they are the high spins and fathers and sons and brothers of afghans, people, they didn't come down from the moon or from outer space and impose themselves on us . can they happen now to be the government?

and they're the governmental ones, the find a way to change them internally by not killing them. that's it. because when you kill them, you're just going to make more of them that i think only crazy. yes. no, you're 100 percent. correct. and that is exactly what our mistake was in southeast asia. the question that i raised, i think at the beginning, i don't know if you agree with this, but i've growing up. i'm a child of the vietnam war, i think you've sure to we all are who are over a certain age. we, when i watch the media cover, vietnam and iraq at a lot of our conflagrations, i get the sense they're afraid to admit what happened there. such a gloss over it like it was like, you know, oh yeah, rocks. no, we evaded the country. we shouldn't been bated vietnam, barbara's actions that we did there and we should explain these things so we don't do them again. but we don't do that now and rick, you know, i've said a number of times in interviews and i think it bears repeating. i remember sitting in on a secure video teleconference chaired by vice president dick cheney the day before we invaded iraq. and i remember one of the senior directors at the national

security council saying, as soon as we cross that border, they're going to throw flowers that us me. and i went back to my office and i said to my boss, do these people know nothing about history? and the answer unfortunately is yes, they know nothing about history. we have learned since that many of our soldiers, many of our diplomats, many of the c i, a guys we had in those countries, did not speak the language and did not understand the culture. and basically lived so far apart from the rest of the population. they never got a chance to understand what true rockies are instead of what they call them, rocky by rack. and yeah, by the way, it's not even pronounce that way. you more on like, you know, pardon me for say that, but you're, you're right when we were so distant from something we should at least have some a kind of sense of culturally. yeah, we don't, we don't. and we don't make any effort to you don't meet these wars happen all the time. i hate to say. but just, you know, in, in our adult lives we can,

we can start with a grenade, for example, i was there and go all the way through the what we're doing now in, in the red sea, with, with the amenities. and we never learn the lesson. we never learn languages, we never learn culture, we don't immerse ourselves in, in the foreign cultures that we're supposed to be. you're studying. what's really cool about you is you're one of the few people and you know, you're a courageous guy because you are a whistle blower. you actually still have to say no, we, we know guys, we can't do that and that's wrong. why isn't there more of that or is there and what's the culture like in that building? now there are more the best explanation is something that a new york times reporter told me. he told me 2 things. number one, he said, the day of my arrest, every one of the new york times national security sources went silent. and they stayed silent for 6 months. and 2nd was something that both

a reporter and one of my attorneys told me, they said, this case isn't about you. this case is about frightening everybody else in the intelligence community to make sure that they keep their mouth shots. that's what it's about. it's gotta be tougher now for someone to want to be honest because of the technology though. yes, you know, in the old days i could like pick up the phone. i didn't think it would be tapped, or i could just have somebody contact somebody and say, let's meet at a bar or restaurant. man, there's cameras everywhere. it's everywhere. yeah, it's every week just being pop, it must be very difficult to be a truth teller and your phone can track you even if the phone is off. yeah. so it's almost impossible you, you have to go night in order to put the light in the, in the 17th century, a group of british called lights were angry at the industrial revolution because they were new machines that were taking their jobs. so they went into the factories

in the middle of the night and they destroyed all the machine. yeah. and, and they want to be like living and some little place in the pennsylvania or something. yeah, exactly. it's the only way to protect yourself. you know, during the watergate scandal or in the events leading up to the watergate scandal deep through the source, the, the ice or yes would only meet with a, with bob woodward in a parking garage. it was the only send the flowers on the balconies and stuff. i don't question to you since you said the deep throat. let me give you another deep it is. so is there a deep state and how would you define it? oh yeah, there is a deep state, you don't have to call it a deep state, you can call it the state. you can call it the federal bureaucracy. but any group of powerful and elected people who know that they can out with a president powerful and elected people who know they could outweigh the present. that's a deep state. that's actually a good description of what i think is happening too often in this country. and it goes beyond trump and beyond democrat,

always and beyond republicans and beyond bite. and then beyond titans and beyond obama, it's bigger than all of them and it ain't good. it's not john, it's a pleasure to talk to you. a great life is all mine. thanks for the i just really, really good and you thanks so much for joining us today. you know, you hear it when you listen to john, his experiences, what he's been to and it's so important to be able to get that perspective before i go, i do want to remind you of our mission here. and it's simple really, to the side of the world to have conversations like this. we tend to live in these little boxes where we think the truth flip proof don't live in boxes, troops everywhere, summer chapters and i'll be looking for you again, right here we have provide a, direct him the hello and welcome to across the full board. here we discussed the wheel and

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