says might be the weight of the size of was this, and the into the wings and some more pasco, beside these meetings, or from dimensions wow allies, it could be, they apply t d s. also notice from the arrangement syndrome has inside to the u. s. mainstream media of the soup as use a pundents began to losing their heads over the phone on the presence dominance and the polls and we have no choice. yeah. okay. you know, it's, it's, it is, um, okay, i will say that it is a decision that we revisit con, constantly in terms of the balance between allowing somebody to knowingly lie on your air about things they've lied about before. and you can predict they're going to lie about and so therefore it is just, it's irresponsible to allow them to do that's some balance between knowing that

that's irresponsible to broadcast. and also knowing that as the defacto soon to be defacto. now, many of the republican party, this is not only the man who is likely to be the republican candidate for president, but this is the way he's running. well, here's how it onset. so why don't we stop check the hell out of him? yes, and we do that after the fact and that is the best remedy that we've got. it does not fix the fact that we broadcast it. we have a legal on media, alice line, know who said his views on the behavior of the m n. s. at the seat, and she is a progressive. imagine being a regressive. imagine what that will look like if this is progressive, not only just the worst journalism you've ever seen, but miss battle is able to anticipate, to, to predict, to know telepathically. she's, she's medic, by sonics reading the unfroze of the media be knowing what trump is going to say.

cut this off now because base of all what he has said before, and the end somewhere i think in the control room is some, i don't know who's director looking at these plummeting readings saying what are you drawing on the trash and how about it? but don't, don't cut him off before he speaks not out of any kind of journalistic integrity, but because of all of a good that we say this is my you only take a flack when you're over the target. so a lot of folks who might have said, comma to crazy by trump might say, you know what i want to hear with this guy has to say, letting me go to another network to hear what it is she doesn't want me to hear. so from a grow where i mean, point of view, just pure logistics and programming. don't send your minimal dominion his audience to a nother, a network to hear what you would let them here. and you know that in the business,

whenever somebody clicks away or go somewhere changes a channel or changes platforms, they don't come back. so how many people do you think, again, from a commercial journalistic point to be how many listeners viewers were lost? because of this obstinacy this, this, this consumer see this, this, this absolute just pathological from your range mean syndrome, from a cheryl or a list. it's a c, or would it be a drug? was it's mine bought. so i that brings you have like on the world news on elijah nodes and join. so i'm thomas on and then visions as he explodes, come type of things and we'll be back the

and your twins, your offering free, decide these old policies towards the gather strip the again for see on the stand of. so i've asked god concerning this issue. now when do you think we should expect the conflict the end? and when we, when i was going to see the 1st results all the area, i see j meeting. well, we would like to see the consumer end as soon as possible. we would like to see is royal, comply with the provisional measures that have been ordered by the court. that is why was going back to the courts to us for this threatening off of those borders so that we prevent what is now imagine as a segment process with a lot of people of projected to die from starvation. we would live to see the association of hostilities. we would live to see the name of

humanitarian cory dose, to those who i need off of, of humanitarian aid. that is why we would always as a country, and this is something president, remo 4, so we'll continue to chat with you to use every legal means of instrument to ensure that we see an end to the genocide to that's currently taking place in gaza. we see an end to the broad to punishment and the team of, of people who are seeking aid like this. so recently in russia now the us has continued to support these role since the beginning of the conflict is likely to change the us of africa relations. given that your country opposes us back is really actions. we have a very strategic political and said relationship with the united states within the

context of that close political interest relationship. they ease in appreciation that we defy on the number of issues. one of them is the issue concerning the opponent students as, as you particularly rated, we in engagement and discuss ongoing discussions, ways of various counterparts within the united states. and we will continue to do so. um, the teachings that the president boston really fast to uh, follow up president nelson, mandela. i those that spend coverage, ongoing dialogue and engagement and windows that you disagree with the most. and so within the context of that political and trade partnership with the united states, we will continue to voice our displeasure and our discomfort ways

and the stage of as well. and this behavior to us to finest unions. and to do so in a constructive manner, in a robust manner within the confines of the partnership and the trades relationship that we have with united states. now, how do you assess the media coverage? all the conflict in the gather strip? what are your main problems that you see if you to see any because it seems that the narrative that is in for what i'm seeing on the play as outside of the mit leased out as we can see. but let me hear your view on this as well. you, you do have, obviously a, a quite a concentration of focus the boston media globally with respect to developments in the middle east, particularly where it has been happening. and guys that you do have some

international media outlets, particularly worse than outlets that as a chosen to present a to present as sort of some more uh, quote, is riley, best bets easy, the coverage and you both. so it has lowes a particular the media houses that originated from parts of the middle east and other parts of the world that have chosen to be balanced in the coverage as well as for trail also that conflicts. and that has allowed people around the world to then have the ability to inform the views and to inform this started with respect to what is happening on the ground in, in, in further study. we noticed is as when we presented the arguments, is that the 1st application that we made to the international courts of justice.

some of the most prominent global most in media outlets chose not to provide coverage and live coverage falls that presentation to, to the quote. and we observed that the next day when these well presented it's i do is um they will have floated low to low coverage if you lot. and so those are some of those devices that to the books that at the end of the day, the media house as a, his own brides and latitudes, to deter in its editorial decisions and to 10 main was best bet. teams for trades decision. do you observed that the kind of treatment that is given to that part of a scene in story, particularly 5 worsted with the housings is not the say

a treatment is that you see elsewhere where these, where the, these past conflicts as a, as a media houses are to better, for example, on this coverage that they provide is related to some incidents that are last have taken place in guys and there's the results also goes by us. so we encourage you to go to the lights of the country when to, to add, reflect the situation as it is on the ground, disturbing and painful as it is. we still have those cottages, generalist men and women of the use room that are committed in relating the truth and in delaying the facts as they are with respect to what has happened or wide. uh that is still talking about the media because this is really very

critical to understanding what the opinion and understanding what the issues really on the spot of what we have been trying to lay back for the world to see even in now coverage archie coverage. all of this issues wall to wall, like like you say about still talking about the media. why in your opinion are a number of advocate in crisis. which of most of that consequences down the you create in one ignored by the west and media, while the ukrainian prizes is on the front pages? now the, there are issues and so down the issues in somalia, the central african republic, the comb go even the ones that and molly and so one how does the advocate and public react to such west and disregard as well? so for the lowest time in um, listen, media outlets have a search to portray the advertising content and in

a negatives and kind of stealing a typical man. the when the menus falls over t hung uh um, repairs, as well as general perceptions of the inability to gather and effectively portrayed as, as, as the sort of override in defining. so you choose, falls falls off of the african continent. so that's the typical by period of time number o, as in math, possibly kids has thoughts to push backs of games that for true false, false, false, the content, and add sorts to elevate. and a lot of positive uh, features as well as developments that are taking place on, on the african continent. and most of that resides in the coverage

that we've seen. and some of the worst and media houses next, the appreciation of the complexities on the ground. and then also in those complexities, you'll find behind for the close, it's almost appointments and the challenges that, that we face on the continent. i guess this is going to be an ongoing task and ongoing challenge that as africans, we will continuously confront and work on to the change, the manner in which our content is portrayed when these conflicts and always ensure that that conflict is presented in a box man. the dead full size to the conflicts i presented football so that these appreciation of the complexity and the issues behind that country. and so now that

the countries on the continent that are being remarkably well, some of those countries have come out of a history of conflict. and, and they pulled themselves out of that history. and they led, if you like, the development of the own people and that has an image that has an impact on regional communities across across the continent. and we would like to see more of that for tray on those the african continent as a growing, advancing continental continental that increasingly has embraced democracy and democratic principles. a continent says over time is shown a strong ability to govern itself and able to add resolve as phone issues. that's that kind of training. we would like to see posts for, for our continent. and what is encouraging is the emergence of various phone line

platforms that is allowed people to, to reach the old stories that is allowed 2 people to read for themselves and telephone communities in the various sections where they operate. and, and that's last the fence to the mentions of the various digital and on demand channels that have allowed people to be able to share the content from the hospitals to their neighborhoods and to the countries is old. and so that has created a diversity of, of content that can be consumed above the content that is a lot more positive than what you've seen for right now, today we, we, we see how in the countries of africa as to how redone the number of western media outlets are being shut down, which according to local authorities spread towers propaganda. now,

where should we look for the line between freedom of speech and protective national security? a bill, it's a um, it's a very um, um, cheap abundance to 2 men to buy this one that stuff and guided by and each country is constitutional principles. i guess if i just sort of slides on my own country side, africa constitution guarantees of freedom of expression guarantees the media and as well as access to, to information. we have a very robust and very engaging and media. so to web, from the president to officials to business need is no, it is a problem, is about a new formal score to needs all producing for, for that to measure. and that's something that we accept to be

a part of our democracy to be pods. false while consist no democracy or democratic features if you like. and that's something that we appreciate as part of a growing and evolving democracy. some other countries will say differently based on, you know, that kind of constitutional guidelines that they have been basically generally up to standards will say to have a society that's open, that can engage openly, registered in gauge wave criticism as much as it engages where it's closer to the issues that reflects the performance of government and that reflects the leadership off of government. all right, and you spoke earlier about the way western media covers the african continent and how, assuming,

bye as this is always waved into the story lines and all of that. but basically, if, if the story has to change as to the new rules of engagement, what do you say needs to be done for that to change as well? we have to continue um, advocating full full furnace. we have to continue pushing the boundaries with respect to how we, as africans reflected in various blue platforms, we have to continue adding a voice with respect to positive developments that we're seeing on our continent. and we have to continue celebrating that humans and the advisements that we are witnessing across the continent. we cannot allow us else um to be forced to forwarded lined into a narrative that does not aid uh or support or enable

the attainment of aspirations as continental in individual countries across the continent. for example, um you have the recent adoption of the after the free trade agreement, which is going to be a major post to a number of for 10 and calling them is that outrage of signatures uh to the us to that's a very positive development. it all goes well for us, we can, you call them is for domestic businesses, just as it is positive for, for direct investments, as well as international investors that are going to net different types of profile content. and that's something we have to continuously talk about for dean was to celebrate. and something that we have a very strong conviction that it will deliver the envisage economic benefits to

millions and hundreds of millions of people and young people in the continental. and it will lead to the industrialization of coding. and so those kinds of developments i was talking about over and over and over and over again. and what time we will be able to, to change those negative perceptions of the continental as we continue to subsets to build resilient and sustainable equipment. all right, we're talking about mutually productive or beneficial. a alliance is to want to extend awesome african news outlets involved in cooperation with russian media on some of this issues. that means so much to south africa address of africans a well, generally they the levels of cooperation across the board, not just do it. russian media, they, they levels of cooperation with chinese media for example, with the russian media. and they, uh, engagements with some media houses in, in,

in the middle east. my colleagues in the media can give you more details than i'm able to gauge. but that is part and paso, for what we call cultural exchanges. people to people exchanges, as well as institutional changes that we encourage through the execution of a photo and policy. where we seek to build strong the bones of ways, our global trade and political partners. and it's something that we will continue to to encourage it, offers opportunities for skills, acquisitions, and open. it offers opportunities for strategic partnerships as well as various commercial facilities that quote at the accessible open up as a result of those and the changes and will continue to encourage those exchanges.

all right, now, recently many african media outlets have been trying to focus on the war with a sedan which has been forgotten in the western media. how did you assess the interest. busy of the african public in top picks that are not raised in the west of media. the fight against new colonialism, for instance, the position of apply made the agenda by the west. as well as coverage of local african conflicts and who many to and prizes a well, we have a own media houses and enough it uh we, we do loves as a note how was didn't media houses also and reflects our issues and also in projects and various developments that take place in content and, but it's equally important for me to stress that we have our own home grown media companies that cause the continental to extensively

platforms like radio for example, still remain very popular and they still reach a lot of people in evan centers in rural areas, and so we're not always concerned about how west and media houses that are flags paso project asked because we do have our own channels where we are able to exchange information, provide information, consume information, and be able to share perspective and views. and so we very much in touch with the continent and we're not necessarily dependent on west and media houses to tell us about our sense we know our story. we knew our sales and in the conflicts that to you last friends. not all know interested in the past following, and those conflicts, but they can't relax. so that's the case involved in the supporting dialed in

supporting board measures that can be put in place to ensure that those conflicts come to an end. recently present from a closer match with one of the leading parties in incident which is the 2nd meeting. and they'll be future and spread the engagements that, that, that he will have with various little players to that conflict. as you will know, so that we could, is quite involved in, in bed, pursuing a peaceful and to the consumer to the dfcs. we are active in know that most of the big where we've contributed at soups to the side that force quotes in the dfcs engine, mozambique. so for me, so that's a good perspective. we quite engage with the quote. and so what listed media houses say, or not say, is not a major concern to us. what is important to us is that you are able as

a continent to pull on zillow. correlative means the end result is to and show that we assist will cease the country is in private countries with processes and other enabled men to come out of those devastating countries so that we can save lives so that we can develop economies. and we can advance as a funding all right, share with us here. does the south africa prohibit some media outlets and, and besides that, how do you assess the policy of the you on the united states with the band? it's a national media like r t and all the russian media outlets. how does that fit with the west? suppose a desire to protect freedom of speech. what's your assessment as well? so i sort of design as a consistent or principle, it sits in the constitution and it's embedded in the constitution. and now of

course i say it's even embedded in now so side, so dna and so, so that's it. so we're not a band and the media house, it would be our games, the priest groups both the constitution to do so. and so that's the kind of practice that we do not engage in. it is unfortunate that some countries and region of trucks have decided to do that if is that we will always be open to engaging in with those that are critical to us, to engaging in with those with disagree with. and that is a fundamental principle that informs our constitutional democracy. and so we, we find it unfortunate that the media outlets that up and in some instances and in some other parts of the world just as was find it quite

a part of it. just the general is being killed in the manner that they've been killed in this conflict to gaza to see the man as a journalist, i intimidated, and they prevented to do the work. that's because that's something that close gains um upgrade as a nation and goes up, gains are old constitutional principles as i've said with believe in been ongoing engagement in diet of isn't with those that disagree with us. and even with those that are critical of cases and, and so the banning of the media house does not contribute to does not contribute to the wide understanding of issues. it does not provide for diverse the 2 voices on an ag shoot or matches and, and it's limited in terms of the perspectives that, that i should it. so the lease is bad and the media anywhere in the world needs to

be allowed to both are age to express itself as freely as possible. so as to allow that diverse search of views and, and to afford people as much shows as possible to a wide range of information. all right, now, how do you assess the 5 by some providers in south africa has stopped showing the r 2 news channel, for instance, as well. the reason has to do with um, you know, commercial interest and, and how those commercial interest tied to with interest outside of philadelphia get, and as well as a shareholder dynamics that, that could be, that qu, bed plays. as i said, it is unfortunate that for example, your channel is no longer available at all 18 by 10

and a. so that's a good company that, that carried a huge, i know, we would have to said that you each other still available. so that in the public has that diverse sets of voices and, and, and the day best besides falls content that they can choose. it is rather unfortunate that that's been the past, but to also understand that they may have been some of the commercial interests that play, that is put pressure and they've led to, to, to that decision, the, the dividing ministration has words and only words and contradictory words and then that when it comes to a cease fire, we are told a less inter, gaza,

at the same time, arms flow into israel to hinder the same age. the 5 again makes it clear. one is also the goal is as but sort of a lesbian new charges. again, kind of the to also does side case. the guns is presence of those persons as a workstall and build it both of these in garza and 2 boys as a country. and this is something president i'm of course i will continue to tempt you to use every means at the instrument to ensure that we see an end to the genocide that's currently taking place in gaza. and the launch is a rescue.