but i think uh it is the, uh, you know, a very pondered statement coming from him. because if you look at the jupiter to go situation, there is a headset stop on the epic. so we have a un right. and add the you in that as a restaurant as well. and there are others except china and the view points are controlled in terms of policy and insulation that are the motor bodies, including the real deal. there are other friends of the west who actually are in doing that line so that don't have any major sort of say or opinion or wait out from the entangled the i didn't do. so from that perspective, i think the, the, the, the edition, the president has had to make a choice guess would make it very hard toys to consider his country's interest. uh, to consider to be a jupiter dakota portfolio of these institutions. and i think he has understood that also in the future these unilateral is to do it's not gonna play as far as shot to add. it's was to ship it so

a premium and to make strategic decisions. so i, i think that is coming from the light light and go from the 0 the product as well. to say that there are a lot of ours, but he is prevent the great colonel, colonel ro hits of the medical military analyst, indian army veteran. great to have go on discussing the results of the russian presidential election. thank you so much for your time. thank you. thank you, and i thank you for joining us here for our special coverage on audi international . we remained at our special studio downtown to hold on. let me go to the cabinet is just around the corner here and what is it? it's about half past 8 in the morning. we're just getting warmed up, discussing the result, food in the 87 percent with a ton out of this presidential election details still forthcoming. its several res, 2 sites and rachel ruble, looking forward to seeing you soon back in half an hour by the

i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground rule ca single around the world from the way. as we enter the 2nd week of the muslim holy month of ramadan, over 2200000 palestinians in gauze, plunge deeper into hung up with hundreds of thousands on the brink of famine as the by new ministration. having pledge to build temporary docks on gauze shores to deliver aid simultaneously for those billions of dollars into arming israel, which continues to block the flow of a central supplies like food, water, and medicine to gods of desperate population. joining me that was daniel levy, a veteran is riley piece negotiator, who participated in the official delegations of the top and negotiations on the brock. and the also told something were being that'd be kind of nice of as the president of the us middle east project. you joins me now from london. a. thank you so much, daniel for coming back on last time. we spoke more than a $1000.00 to indians have been wounded in in jerusalem back in 2021. what does it

meant for us to will to you? witnessing what the i c j goes plausible, genocide is a former advisor to an israeli prime minister. and now at the middle east project there in london. well, i'd like to be able to say that who could have imagined, how could anyone have seen this coming? how did we get here? unfortunately, that's not a story that anyone who. ready is following this closely can tell themselves because last time we spoke, we could have descended into something much less just as you mentioned, option. this was during world palestinians include the units you into father of may 2021. that's the idea of the permanent dispossession of palestinians, the permanent denial of their rights and freedoms could somehow be managed in a cost free list peaceful way. of course, palestinians,

prior to october 7th, you structural violence every day. that was that lot, but this was really blown to sound and it was predict many of us i was, you know, suggest that i was uniquely a person, a full size. if this was painfully predictable, it seemed fact the house project was that is, that is so sold destroy because nowhere is history across global geography can you keep up? people don't want just to find that type of set up, you know, one violation of international law. it does not justify and not, but of course this was going to blow up and it was aging ever close. we could see it. we saw it in may 2021. we saw it with the more egregious measures the

then people will hope for the about the bad luck. he's government to this, we saw it get eval, was with the increasing publications of nothing yahoos coalition with bank to be a small church. so i don't believe that there is such a thing as consulting violets. but i do believe that some fox, a system that is fairly struct, stop the feels like it's stable, but in fact is demonstrating manifest signs of instability. sometimes when there's a rupture, it creates terrible danger. it creates for renders human suffering. that's what we've been seeing every day, almost rains from god, but maybe it creates an opportunity. maybe it tells people there's no going back to the make believe or piece process. i'm not say, but that's what we will immediately see over. that's the narratives we're hearing

right now. but i do, but the shattering of these rating mission of invincibility, the shattering of this eucharist and the arrogance of golf house here. and of the maintain those the enables the facilitators of that on the outside quote over time . create you openings that goes. first of all, we need to get to grips with the immediate renders conditions in gaza for the power of senior population. most of them displace every think flat and at least 30000 probably significant people killed off the back of what is real, which 1 october. so yeah, this is just x r a pulling changing every day. of course, 13000 palestinian children killed 17000 children, unaccompanied or separate 260-0000 facing displacement. i mean the figures, if people don't know them are watching the role their own media, it gives me imagine netanyahu's coalition. government is the convenient for

the countries sending in the weapons now because really then, you know, couldn't do what he wants to do along with the other far right. members of the coalition without the enables of the genocide. so every time people watching this here, the name that yahoo being spice out by biting though, so that garage level and the land. is it really not? i mean that not being and you how, who apologise is it not netanyahu as well? well, i think we have to give the office 6 of credit where it's due. we have to lay the criminal liability at the correct door in terms of israel's violations, the international norm. plausible contravene of the genocide convention, which is the case. as you mentioned before, the international court of justice brought by south africa. so i'm not going to take some 100 acres from stop exit. yeah. that nothing yahoo should be there in the

top piece. it's not the only it's about, well, i think it's correct to point out that we've out. he's enabled this, this could not be counting on and the not probably all of the people who really should together this honorable mention for being being 8 was the binding administration is, is crucial because i'm missing something these really say ultimately these re military would acknowledge this this is brought to the lead just to quote one, the correspondence in, in the pre mess, circulation is ready daily israel high your, that correspondence, that category is real, could not continue this war were not to the american military school. now we have seen even an american media that most regional new york times have exposed that

what we do in terms of the flow of american weaponry. but they've also pointed out that because under these conditions, sutton arms transfers would be to him to go a degree of congressional scrutiny. what the administration has done is create in drugs even around the scrutiny that would have to come within its own system in order to keep providing the office. hillary shells 2000 pound arms to j tabs besides etc, most of which are not defensive. because most of which will be offensive when we just close this devastation. because if you break these alms transfers down into smaller chunks, they don't have to go through that accountability transparency cycle. so a mr. closest is, is a very obvious point as to if anyone wanted to end this, how they could and this, you start home and yet i do think that nothing yahoo is inconvenient.

this stage even for those days is because is disrupting american domestic politics for. ringback the president in a re election year would see not, not just in michigan, we're seeing that imposing across the board. it of course, doesn't look great when you've been on your soapbox, preaching as a model of the world which you on now violating for know if you don't time as a more valuable decibel levels in, in the last 2 years. so i think she's inconvenient but clearly not inconvenient to, not just on my allow you to be by them is done in other countries as well. i'll get onto those on transfer as a true in a minute and the i c j. but in which case, what is it that this client stages it's being called has on joe biden, if it's affecting his poll numbers in michigan with a 100000 that the primaries ang, uncommitted, and clearly paving the way for

a trump victory into them. but what does it they have on bite and, and so you do believe that there is this, it's not just with the asterix that by didn't uh, and net and you know, have a problem between them which is constantly being leaked and i should say the state department constantly is answering questions about transfers and whether it violates us little or to be sending arms to a country violating human rights. because i think it's a legitimate question to ask. you know, is this just for show come on that? is this not something the americans want to see? yeah. and i do not want to dismiss out of hand, but the idea that the subs, uh, is some way american ends, but i, i don't think that's where we all right now with this respect, i think that the, the status quo and t the all. ready was very credibly

described, not just by human rights organizations. palestinian is radian international producer by state type disputing the case of the i c j. as these re, the treatment of the palestinians between the legal definition of a regime of a population. i think that is something that the americans would totally okay. and in fact, i think american plans for the day off the golf. so all to rephrase this, a pop type reality, they'll give us a load of the beach and rhetoric about going back to a piece process and to states that there will be nothing meaningful, consequential done in order to achieve that. so i think that's ok. i think what's going on now is problematic. i think that taking a geo political hit for it. i think their attempts to create a, an updated version of tax and merit called the for the middle east. has been delta set back up by this action,

but not less. it's less than that. i'm telling you from the event and just very quickly though, why do leave us cool? why don't they just call them, you know, and say that the a through, instead of is a view to being seen is even in the united states, even from circle of mainstream media. i mean, these idea of, um, i mean some people saying is the gas reserves off the coast of guides and what is all these p is in ports and us soldiers when he can just phone that, you know and say, let the trucks coming through doors and garza and the job is done. why doesn't see what is, what is it and, you know, go through them, but i personally, i want to not make it easy on on us. i don't think he can pick up the phone, say, let the trucks through and it stopped and i think he has the message to achieve not only that's outcome but the ultimately. ready budget for equal yochi top. com all getting a c 5, because you get the truck, see if he's really mill attractions still continuing, then you'll never going to be able to play catch off with the devastation that is

being caused by what you're getting through humanitarian and they've each let me tell you, of course, and britain abstained in the veto at the top coast, alongside the, on the straps. this is the shows the un security council. there is the responses to v i c. j with us as the school, the south african case, mary list with 16 judges rule for provisional measures, including the american judge at the time within the chat. and yeah, as you know, it's important for us to note that the ad drops and this idea fear of a c p a. uh, re be a demonstration of american weaknesses. prophetic because what needs to get in is the, the, the aide, the volume which you can get in right now through those on board as own trucks. these rise preventive. know why that for ease, that not being push, given the leverage that us has a slumber stand. i don't mean we can do justice to that without american domestic

politics and the role good as well as played in domestic and american domestic policy just below me. well it, it's the lobby, but it's, it's, it's the israel lo be in all its manifestations because you won't be as wrong. so it's absolute, the, the jewish pro israel groups evangelical pro as rel, groups who don't have a hold on the democrat audi, but they mean that the republican party is absolutely in lock step with the most for each of its insight as well. i think the arms industry isn't particularly keen to see a ceasefire bought. well, i own i got a letter. you just how stop you. i'm just now be more from the full. the is riley piece. negotiation. hundreds rarely 5 minutes. that would brock and you think we're being off to this break the hello and welcome to the cross, the full board. here we discuss them real in the

welcome back to going undergrad them. sylvia with daniel, every bullet is rarely piece negotiated under prime ministers. i would brock and you tech for being in the presence of the us, middle east peace project. daniel before i read the interrupted uh at the end of the one you were talking about why it is that american politics is so skewed about the genocide in gaza. so fabia from me to, to, to tell the, the leadership, the democratic establishment, the white house, how to manage that domestic politics. but i do think one could make an argument. this is a mis read all fair of domestic politics. that in fact, with a democrats supporting constituency, support doing this is doing mobile home. i think however, that is the president's read of his domestic politics. it certainly fits with what

we know about the role of campaign finance. it gets more money than any other doesn't. a for me is really obvious. well i, you know, i don't even know if that's true because there's a lot of it to, that's what they raise on the said the grades that, well i, i, i would question. i would actually question that the idea of that this in any way benefits biden's re election, we will know in november to some degree, when con, isolate any given factor. but i think it's a mis reading by, of contemporary american politics. i think we should at least consider the bite the person by the scope. this fact is passing by how do you speak to the goal to me or to speak? and i say that send each out to you because whenever he talks about his route, he still refers to a prime minister from. ready that house a century ago. okay. so yeah, this is, this is a, that could be

a mental illness is as a special kind of well, all right, cool. i talked about so it's a big, it's a big, specific divide. but i also worked acknowledge that it's not just about america has a geo political management frame it for the middle east region. it involves me because he's rarely climbed state. i'm not sure i do use the word plan, but it involves certain states in the arab state. system that are very close to the us. impulse is route as a central note. and if it's rolled acting off of it may be stepping beyond the lies, the, the us would run the risk to it can find itself to. that is still not going to interrupt the fundamental geo politics. it's much easier if an administration to tell us a global geo political story of good guys backed eyes and what israel and all those it down to disrupt that is really quite significant. and finally, we,

maybe we should not tell us of this story this um, this is so out of sync with americans. i use, i mean one step la colonial society to another. it may be a gap here of a 100 or more years. but going back to this point about picking up the phone because this is also part of the story for the nothing yahoo government to let. ringback need it in by way of humanitarian assistance and to, and the kinds of actions that he's taking it because i think would require a sustain stand. in other words, it's not just that 1st the, it's off the week one off to week to you're not providing to weapons, you're not vetoing stuff un security council. you wouldn't need to be able to sustain this. i think they know that i think they do not read their own politics as allowing them to do that because nothing yahoo will push back it will take time. i

believe that these raise the system, the military, the public. it will not sustain the known provision, especially of america weapons. and the military especially will say, listen guy, we don't care what store, you tell yourself you tell the public, but you're gonna have to move in the direction that telling you to. so yes, america has the leverage. no, it's not long ago. yes, they have their own reasons for not using not leverage. and i suppose it should be said, well, let me yahoo may not be popular within israel. generally. he is popular as the engagement of this genocide, people in israel, a majority do seem to support the genocide, which means that given what you just said, you know what i just said, is this paving the way for expansion into a regional war. i don't know what you think of the british and american it strikes on yemen for showing solidarity with the palestinians in that are

a enforcing of an embargo. i mean, the word iran keeps being mentioned in the united states as part of political rather rhetoric. all the time as it does in europe, increasingly. okay, let me quote you what the swedish for prime minister farm just a call built. he said, maybe we should take seriously the idea that if we want to and what's going on in the red sea and review the shipping lanes in on, into feed white rock of the bombing and then, and the warning dogs are. so this is someone from the, from the hall to about establishment acknowledging a reality which is just staring us in the face. the booth is very open about why they're doing this when i, i think sometimes when you take people at face value. so yes, the idea is that you can distinguish between these 2 stage, just get to cease fire and cause it if you want to re at least how to some degree,

the region. this is not going well for the west. it's not going well back and field is rep. the balance of forces is wrong. cause has to buy a power to kill golf and so big it. but this is the display of strength when you're doing this is a display of wheat this way. you website, your infantry it so you just bowman, ball the ball regionally. iran is not deployed directly. he's the losses because only played a role up to a certain level time down. some is really forces in the goals. so without those 2 major actors, you still have such a straw stick is really own gold, in terms of the political legal, moral reputational jeopardy. that it is engaging. and you have this, this successful lucy intervention to disrupt global trade. so it's not going well, maybe even in its own interest tubs, the,

the west should be looking at this again. and this in a week when they were joined, uranium chinese and russian navy patrols down the road. here in the gulf of amman, the ukraine proxy, we're not going to plan, is the global side. the once negotiations, would you mean outlawed by the landscape was backed by the you and the u. s. which means uh and i know you made the case for it that to china should have a central role perhaps in some kind of piece negotiation i know about as didn't you negotiate his way in moscow need the other day. is it time now away from the vehicles that you were involved in for china and russia just step up to the plate because despite the cooling for it seized by the wind security council, and despite video and the arab street so called one thing, china and russia babs that come in like people on white horses to save at the starving and the survivors of the genocide they don't going to. but how can most going badging out? your right, let's line up some of those docs as you just kind of help us do actually. so 1st of

all, the nothing you know is not popular. the military operation is popular and i just speak the speaks to the fact that these republic have gotten used to infinity. and that's the ultimate culpability of these rails allies getting us to this moment . because by nettle holding israel accountable, you have in the hands of bacon to extreme is a normalized everything that these relas done. normalize that of all. so i can know nice thing to very smart for treating the government so that something was to number 2 as a whole piece of this, which i very much doubt will go into that. you mentioned in passing the interest in truck palestinian port that the russians at the hosting. there was a whole piece of waste which is about the palace the body politic having basically collapse is radical. so that division, that's a classic divided. we'll see one would expect, but the palestinian factions and not managed to rise above that. and of course the

deal sovereignty recognizing to nationally this is essentially become an adjunct of these radio occupation of the west and both but did not. so bring this back to what does it mean for the us monopoly on peace assets and those, the staff, it's our shop that, that is the story of so called peace making in, in the last decade to decades. perhaps i think anyone who's serious about wanting to get this to a place where the events of october 6th, when things were terrible for palestinians, october 7th and things are terrible for his race. and every day, since anyone who wants to get beyond that needs to look at different architecture, different way of doing that. i see about how to break the us and west and monopoly . when the, the metric folks with us, your, you had us and those. and we stood russian federation coming out of the former soviet union. this because i think it would be sensible to think about

a chinese well, i think would be sensible to think about a lot of the global south which isn't a thing. but some of the major level powers, the part of that, whether that's indonesia, south africa, brazil. those who is wrong won't be happy to see it, the table, the palestinian should not be happy to see the back of the. ringback table, so i think you have to break that monopoly. there is a role to play. i think i, the way it comes to russia in china, if they will, to play more actively in this, they're going to have to be on their own limitations on the fact that they themselves continue to use this rhetoric. or let's have an international conferences have 2 states they're gonna have to get beyond that because that is not a cool reality today. i'm finally there is the, there is the region itself. there is the fact that there was an arrow into land, to israel is occupation of the palestinians, which has been on a to muster, to generate

a serious chunk. unable unwilling to restricted by its own geo politics, by the nature of, of the tone, documents, structures. unwilling, unable to generate a real challenge, those countries that made those normalization deals with these route in the abraham, of course have been an enabler as well. they've played that role obedience. they would say the, i believe it was a co petition. just finally, obviously was south africa had moved a lot of energy about it active as that it would be south africa bringing the ice age a petition a but is the i c j also on trial here. the so called world court, it could have order to cease and desist order immediately, which would have prevented alms trading from western european countries. time for i looked at this as well. good. while we witnessed this genocide on the day by day hour by hour basis. i don't think so because i think, well the provisional measures ordered by the. ready amounted to was

the things that should be done, it was open to interpretation which isn't good enough. they could have put their foot down as well, even if they put that slip down, it has to be implemented, right. it's not, none of this is the point here. option i think is none of this is self implemented . a security council resolution isn't self in connecting an icy j rolling, as we know from other instances, not busy. so implementing, they do not have the power to implement. it then depends on the other actors. when are they going to ignore what the cause says? go psychotic? know what the quote could have said, but they know what the quota says. these are all have 30 days to report his ro provided a report that has not been made public. the south africans now go back with the requests, the provisional matches, but whatever the case reads, it is up to those who claim they want to be in good standing with international in the galaxy to either a, by, by those buildings. or as you suggest to funds taken acts to

begin to chew, show international structures of global governance. and i'm the ability just to, to do anything by. ready during those weeks, and i think well, well, the events and the response to those events over the last month. so showing us is that we do not have anything even approaching an international or to fit for purpose. and that's a really dangerous place to be. and i think whether it's israel in this moment right now will that global architecture. this is a dangerous time. you prefer to have a complex going on. and i agree with you. and i think the global south is looking at this and say, and it's interesting the americans in the west on to even trying anymore to post resolutions to when people of full day flags elsewhere in the well because they have no standing. what so tiny levy. thank you. i thank yes,

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