on the sleep where you're good, almost without the other thing, that's a capital is now describing a shadow, spoke with senior home for the dead analogy, you just finished, your aloof has birds through you. not sure, you know the fire is inside the building. now some of these stopped as well shooting people. 3 or 4 terrace were inside or the toilet. the remaining 3 were hiding in the vegas something more nearby. uh 50 to 60 minutes away on sewage, the soonest. i think they going to be in from outside. because it only takes 2 to minutes, knew what to do with lots of hard from uh the street. and you can see the security guard. so out the door has no weapons yet to protect people. and so station looks good. what else can i say? there's an issue with that. he's on post houses or even running out of concepts of people and biggest employment rushing across the bridge, 2 passions the place. one of them actually began and most of the world reports

about the people running around that floodlights. so across the bridge, across the most excited people watch this is because as hasn't received and from what's more, that's what people believe that could be happening. yeah. for 10 minutes each episode, lots of teachers 1st, right now it's 11 o 4 pm in moscow. and so it's the overall cost of developing over 3 hours and there's a white truck was ukraine. your license plates next to process was listed as a whole new to which may have explosive insights from service so that someone has to be a good change did additional, the smell of certain stuff in the yeah, you don't smells like smoke or non smoker when you uh there's a black smoke which makes sense and because there's a fire going on like you blood, gimme a 9 big about to share with me those 5 children between 8 and 11 years of age have

been reported that the, the other victims are grown up. some of the people who died or were still in the line lining up. i don't. so they started shooting as innocent. people do outside or scare me more with the site right now. so let's go to for sure. uh, ambulances kind of get to vegas and firefighters. come get to vegas, just want to cause this uh, fire comes to contain the so the someone is a highly accomplished has been drawn from the buckets of water onto the fire to the fire. it can spread to the vegas mold because it's a certain distance away from the conference or the whole senior product. so i think it will just take about 3 hours or more to extinguish the fire. i don't

know what the rest is developing the the okay, you're welcome back to our rolling coverage. all of our breaking news from the north west must go to a 40 people killed according to the russian federal service, the f. s. b after a mass shooting and subsequent fire to a music venue. and i'm going to know neil murat how mommy has joined us here in the studio at for our coverage morales. and quite, quite incredible. this is the study of, uh, you know, just uh, home, this thing to say going on and uh, uh, some was over a 100 people now that's been wounded or if he's, yeah, is that, that's, so that's where we are. with the close of 14 dest side,

believe we don't know the assailants, whether they're in fact, um, we know it's a terror attack of them. they've yeah, we don't know whether they're at large or what is happening as regards now, but we do know a lot of eye witness accounts. people talking about the situation um the, the cold blooded ness of people coming into a cultural venue and shooting the audience, as you say, for to the people dead. but we have our correspondent as the scene. they're here. so let's, let's live now to, uh, uh, to close one of the old quotes. uh, done. okay, harris. okay. what's the latest events up to speed things? yeah, i can hear you loud and clear as you can see behind me. what we're looking at right now is my mainly just smoke from the left over from this enormous fire, this inferno that had engulfed the entire roof of the building. you could see

behind me, i'm not sure if it's visible on your screen right now, but they're still helicopters dropping water from above to help fight the last bits of this fire. but there's also a fire fighters on the roof. you can see their fire hoses, they are fighting the last bits of the fire. there are so it's just about gotten under control something that the authorities have also publicly stated. but before it was absolutely enormous this terrorist attack, the eye witnesses, had reported explosions after 5 assailants inside had opened fire on the pretty much attacked auditorium of people that were there for a musical concert. uh like you, like you said in terms of the casualties, right? now, if they stand at 40 dead and over a 100 wounded, according to russia's administrative health, 77 of them are in the hospital right now, being treated for their injuries. now, earlier the mayor of moscow said that over 50 for dates of emergency services were

a sent to the scene. but now actually the health industry has said that that number had gone up until 70 or dates of emergency services, paramedics, firefighters, and we're still seeing tons of police and firefighters, paramedics going on this road next to me. i'm going down there. as you can see also on your screen, just how many lights from emergency vehicles there are. i mean, from here it's as far as the i can see. so in terms of the injured and killed as well. unfortunately, it's been confirmed that the children were among them. um, earlier there were at least a 100 people trapped in the basement of this building when it was still cut off from firefighters. in terms of the, you know, the fire wasn't allowing them to get to, to them. but thankfully, since then and evacuation has been under gone, people were evacuated from the area. and also it's important to note that the reports that us, that the special forces in,

in collaboration with the russian national guard bad storms. the building of those reports that one of the sale ins has been a to change. and the other 4 are still being searched for as of now, in terms of the reasons for why this terrorist attack is carried out for the motivations or who is actually behind it. that information is still being, you know, investigated by russia's investigative committee. and we're gonna have to see what results come from that over the next several days on the i think so for that updates, we'll get back to you again adapt throughout the evening. now, if you're just joining us, i'll give you an update. what's going on, some of that could 8 p. m. local time here in moscow with hundreds of civilians out of comes that can you believe it? just enjoy in the evening sloth, it just gone to mind firing and this the on people. now we got

a eye witness account. let's listen to that next. the yeah, with blue i see where the lights. i was there at the concert myself. focus just 2 minutes before the concert, just opposite up to you. yeah, there were graphs. i was into the circle, so it sounded like the capital coming from above us from the gallery. we all thought there were people to tell doing to solve a position is on the stage. we didn't think much of it. i'll say a couple of minutes. we realize something wrong was happening. did you find somebody started yelling it as like, shooting that's all. get out. so was in, rose, had seen of the dresser. cool. we started running down the stairs towards the stage and put them inside the work people in front of me. at some point everyone stopped and we just lay down on this stage and was trying to hide behind the loud speaker

because the work people in the stalls. i personally saw the gun money was a long barrels weapons. i don't know what it was if it was an automatic rifle. and a fab sounded like a fire crack has going on. i was trying to crow behind the loud speaker. because i could hear bullets flying. i could hear gun shots. the o. we're trying to stay close to avoid being hit. at some point people start the yelling. let's get behind the stage. we all got up and got to try to get behind the stage. behind the curtain. there was an exit to the street behind the curtain. it was maybe a uniform employee, all croakers. you've told us to run, we get got out of the parking lot without them, but out to where, just burying was the water in doors. why don't people asking what was happening?

i said the shooting in doors and i was told that they started choosing human parking lot of forget things and people running out so you don't typically guessing . and so cause some were using the texas, i'm dollars or use their own cars or used car sharing. i ran across the parking lot. i ran all the way to the building of the most. the regional storage is everyone was running. beated know is those people who are going to follow us if we have other statements around. so we kept running and spreading out at some point so we just saw those take a look at the welding townley and there will be picked up by friends or texas. then my friends called me and they told me that apparently the, the building was on fire. i looked behind me and yes, that was black. smoke rising above the roof. i didn't hear any explosion this,

but there was definitely something going on. first responders began to arrive, there were ambulance vehicles to weigh heavily comp. those scores. so we were all just just walking maybe for 30 minutes where you can just switch those just a few bits. i think i was able to escape within the 1st 5 minutes of the incident where we're just lucky that we were in a good that were, sees relatively close to the stage. i my heartfelt condolences to those who died or suffered, we were just lucky what us just absolutely shocking testimony, isn't it from people who were actually at the concert and managing to get out and give us a sense of the, the terrifying nature of what's the endure there they were, the lucky ones, of course, the ones who lived at will you can see the 2 has become 3. we're very happy to welcome onto the program, french geopolitical, all of this,

sort of the laughter. thanks so much for coming into us as well. petty under the circumstances of course, but, and what was your immediate reaction when, when you saw that there was a terrorist attack in moscow and it looks as if 40 civilians have been killed. well, to be very honest with you 1st, we need to present all of our condolences to all the families and the russian. people think it's especially me as a frontier. it isn't living in russia. so don't the very 1st picture that came to my mind is the remains of the tories that tax that we had in paris in 2015 when the bad product. yes, exactly. seems to be yeah, it seems to be very similar. and that was the 1st, the, the 1st picture that i have then after, according to the trend circumstances for 6 complicated to say where it's really coming from actually. so i'm sure that the russian special services and no

the services from russia. we work in that a, but there is one thing. one thing that i really would like to say because i've been listening to the french media before coming on. you guys on both join, are they still doing good job correctly on what i heard from your colleague and friends, which are not responsible, of course, is that what they say is not the ukrainians. the said that it was set up by directions. and this is that just absolutely disgusting. and such a community does have people saying those kind of things. because once again, when that happens to ask the 2015, i do not with all the russians. jello is saying the same thing. i just wanted to point that out because according to the circumstances, this is really disgraceful from those people. well, it's a very basic view of geo politics as well. lot of them are putting us just overwhelmingly wanting re election for us. same term as president. he doesn't need

any excuse for watts at whatever operation he decides. the russian military is undertaking he golf thoughts in the support of the russian people last weekend. so that kind of analysis as you say, it's not just deeply disrespectful. it's just stupid. absolutely. there is no name for this. and very leslie had been reading this. i was so upset now box on the fact what we know and what i've been able to blend so far as that from witnesses. some witnesses said that some of those people that were speaking arabic and we also know that you praying we have pro is as members fighting in the frame against the russians. so that might be also lead. that can be flawed. i know that the some services i'm working on this, but for now it's a little bit too soon to do. we have any clear view of for those people

and where the we're coming from, what we know is that so not a letter we. we knew it should have happened, but i was not expecting this to happen so soon after the presidential election. and that's for the tragedy. and sooner or later you, you mean because of the, the, uh, the, the threats that were, that were apparently um, heard by the us embassy saying that an attack may be imminent. you mean in that regard? well, that i don't have that kind of information. uh, but considering the circumstances and the conflict, a new plane actually went to your opinions are doing, for example, by showing a city like may god, i'm showing civilians what the uh, the good from your brain, which is the equivalent of the get are you in the in the national is capable to do

nothing is impossible. so or the so desperate that they're ready to do absolutely anything to on russian to diversion. and that's also a possibility. is a bit class sides of the time in the or in universe thing. uh, they were talking to different guests as well, way you, you briefly mentioned that the u. s. and u. k. embassies had free rule and the citizens that live here in russia of a possible attack. and now we see this attack. so come out, i mean this is the out of the blue, you know, it's been tilting about it all night with a little gas shouldn't. if it's so clear that this was in to the ukrainians. what should they be coming on saying who it was? i mean if they know the information, but it definitely wasn't the ukrainians, then who was it? well, you have 3,

you have 2 different possibilities. this is absolutely pure speculation. that's the main. it plays 1st it's the ukrainians deal is done, finished. so again, it's not the appliance, then if the u. s. embassy was aware of this, they should on one of the russian government, funded by this. be careful, guys, we've heard about this. i knew, for example, the differential embassy as police, the warning, nothing about terrorist attacks, but for the election process and possible demonstrations. they asked their friends citizens notes to be involved in this. and this is a way of this. but that was not speaking about terrorist attacks. now, no one has the possibility. also it could be that the americans would protect the premiums by saying, no, it's not them. because what they want to do is to distribute eyes from the inside. and then implicate groups like that of the golf, for example, or possibles,

you know that the couple of days ago in the, near the god of some kind of russians that were fighting with the opinions again, against russia. they've been a while the been naturalized. and that may be the american obviously could use this as a pre tax. you know, it just said that people are not happy with the elections and look what's happening . we have a to the arrest, the fact that there's a big from the interesting there, there's a big stretch going from people not happy to what looks to be. i completely understand what, where you're saying that that could be big screws to come up with. but the facts that we're dealing with are 5 people heavily arm looking coordinated, looking militarized. i would say, as well, it's not military training. at least it looks as if the way they're coordinated, they're movement the fire afterwards. how do you plan that? because and it's the only gun that tuck i know that's created

a must fire afterwards on the public for that for opposite escape route. you know, it takes a lot of thinking, a lot of planning, something like this. again, we don't know, but these are the details we have that's. that's the details. so amenable to watch 2 videos, one from the outside of theater by itself and one from the inside. effectively, you can see people dressed in military fatigues and by the way that we're moving the word mouth handling their weapons like uh, which have professional salyers. and we're not expands here. but from what acts in, from what i know there that they weren't. i found that we, this, uh they, they were shooting point blocks. and so that's the, that's, that's a possibility. and that requires a planning that requires a planning. and when you have, once again, when i saw, they said, well, but the con bis, it's the, it's the same thing, killing a maximum of people,

and then trying to escape after. so, yeah, that's it. any way, there is one thing that i am sure is whoever did this, that whoever did this, that will not stay unpunished. that we'd be facing alone. that's old love. i lived, it was, you know, uh, the united of the un security council is due to convene the and again, russia looks to us for that. how effective is the un security council? it's when it comes to things like with, i mean, we're just going to have another $100.00 state said yes, we can them, the actions going on in the, in russia, what we do, we do, we don't condone violence, but at the end of the day, does anything ever get done when it comes to the un security council? it's the united nations were working so far. we would all know it, it just doesn't work. and effectively, a lot of people are the united, the nation,

and the uncomfortable when say i was sorry, then after what, that's why i'm saying that whoever did this russian government is going to be able to deal with it properly. and in the proper way, it was like fine um, but everything would be done in due time. yeah. so, you know, we also got a lot of, uh, information coming in dribs and drive. is it for like weed or do i have now you know, it was saying a little bit about the fire didn't not really above. i didn't know. we don't have any information about that by the way. i'm just speculating. but does gun fired create a bug middle? so i heard larry johnson, i'd be when he was talking to for the analyst, you know, about how drugs up these people who does the that's a common theme that is that there's that hearing. yeah, just so i just thought to get the hype up to go in all guns blazing. i mean, well that's what people civilians in. don't boss have said when,

when they came under attack by at ukrainian kia link forces that they said a lot of the people who are a talking then appear to be on drugs. yeah, we're find a lot of, uh, those drug as on this, this is not you actually during the syrian war, we used to pull these gap, the guns. and these drug is a drug that was sent devised in many countries, including blue garcia and other places. basically this kind of drug is removing from the saw, your interview or anything, and the just go for the, for the target. so that's, that's also a possibility regarding the fire, what i haven't heard. and so what i have seen on the video is that there is save a shooting, doubled that single tap and fi a best, which make me believe that they were using the $76239.00 caliber on the stick out for us to a not minute or 2 people we did well. yeah. well it's, it's the machine guns machine. yeah. big bullets. we'll but and it's uh,

$762.00 uh, $49.00. its the normal uh, russian jelly before it could actually get to take it for the 7th floor. okay. all right. they may have used also, uh it 12 which is much more on 12 goats uh much more for civilians. so we didn't, we don't know what was the is that while you can see them on the video. so you get, you can see them on the video as for the fire, i would i have no rely reliable information i heard about possibly in send. yeah. file grenade or simple prenatal. but that's just the condition for no, i was i would not engage myself in this bind spence, but a huge pay. you don't like this spot? a single shot the can do the insurance the the reason i'm a tax like this. i think our car dog we saw at the bottom class he mentioned very similar. it's to raise the sheer amount of terror as much as possible and to to mic

the populace. afraid to try and say, we can get you at any time, even when you're going. i for, i'm use a concert. you've lived here in russia. you, you know, the russian people. do you think they're going to be coward? do you think they're going to be afraid? do you think this is going to have an effect on them as soon as they are not at all? not at all. not at all. if those people believe like that by doing this, they're gonna fear the population. they're going to break the population. the nice thing about russian people skiing is that it's so and that that would be like this. but yes, you're right. the principal of a tourist, the fact is to kill the maximum of people and women and children and civilians and people that kind of defending themselves and to have to position being afraid of doing anything. so you have secure it to me is yours. that will be taking

a f f a probably tomorrow, and i heard that the, the may you are if most, bruce, i guess i'll be in, in asked to cancel any specific events during yeah, over the weekend, which is normal procedures. i would say that. but if those people believe that the russian people will be feared by this yes. and 11 final point from me, if i can circle on, on an the situation as it unfolds. you, we've heard for the duration of the ukrainian conflict. russia saying i'm pointing out when they do rates in ukraine. we targets a 1000000000 and 1st and we target military infrastructure not civilian infrastructure. the point of doing this is to try and ad bricked on ukraine's war machine. yup. and we do not target civilians or infrastructure. increasingly we're seeing from the other side, ukrainian forces do exactly that,

trying to cause tear in boarder regence of russian ukraine. i know this, if it is found to be ukrainian link, will this give pause to people in the west thinking this? we're just on an equal funding here. they're just as bad as each other. such common train usually happens this proves that it's not the same. you don't go into a closed off building on should women and children and say they're there. they're just the target into conflicts. it's different. it's different unless you're using come to our insurrection mucho, which is deliberately targeting civilians to have the people going over the government and say stuff this we're suffering too much for once again. this is not knowing the russian people once again. yeah. so um, i'm sorry the, the west, whatever you brain says it says it's not just whatever 1st the ukrainians delray,

the denying this is themselves of course the, the, the, the, the, the umbrella, whatever it is. um, but it is true to say that russia does not target civilians. no, you know why you have casualties. that's not a war. be that without this, there is only the americans 9091 trying to, to, to sell it this during the 1st gulf war with their strategy called strikes and in any right. but phone for what i know. no, russia is sparing the life of civilians as much as it can. i have person and friends but already involved in the fonts and they, they, they even, they have told me that part of the progression sometimes was slowed down because they knew that they were civilians. in front of them, because the premiums were using them as human shields,

and the gwinnett progress as far as the want it because they were, they didn't want to have the casualties of war. so that's that then the roland, just before it, before we let you go, you've been very good coming in at this time to talk to us as well. i do see this operation and on full link is, is it going to leave a permanent change in, in, in the way that the security services have to deal with things. because i think you'll agree with me. i think that russia's most school as a city is remarkably open. yes. you know, in the movement going around, you don't feel as if at your, you're being stuff you're being caught to your, you know, in an i've been here or even a much longer. i've never felt so say this is, this does not know anything and mostly does that not change because of what has happened because this has on par leveled in, in, in moscow shooting of this side. they're helping bigger attacks, nor dost,

except for it. but a shooting this year, and why did people killed now in the theater? where said lillian, for a side, does this change the status quo and moscow? how we're going to deliver lights? that shouldn't change your way of life. you should leave the same way. and the, i'm very sure that the specials services from russia and she has been there and get to the job. they will, they will do the job that they have to do. and they will let you leave the, the, the, the way you used to live. do right, i've been living in most but since 2018 and i have never felt so safe and rational, so safe. i was back in the last in the summer. i wanted to see fit for my life. most of this i'm even during the day this, the 10 should be here is so so, but the unlikely i thought about must go do they will the headlines in the west, but our viewers do because they understand many of travel to hear. that's what

happened today. is really a tragedy, but that does not mean that russia is unsafe at all with terrorists. the principal, if a terrorist is described, where you are not expecting in, you know, security, 100 percent security does not exist. it's impossible chuck and the terrorist they are using this. so no of the russian is a very safe country. we must lose a very safe country. mice on these doing things in russia that i would not let him do in france. and when i am in front, when, when, when we're used to being friends that when i'm sending and as i'm as to someone, my 1st reflects that to put my back on the world just to make sure that no one is going to come from behind. and try to steal my phone away from it. yeah. so it's an interesting aside, absolutely. as so, thanks so much for coming on sharing your views on, on all of that with us. we do appreciate a french deal political unless serial deluxe, right. you're welcome. yeah. so the latest news 8.