and the dentist says, respect induced, silver and safe comes as a us different months if someone of the washington criticize the detention of a key opposition figure on corruption charges in diplomacy in states are expected to be respectful, but the so frequency and internal affairs of products this responsibility is even worse, so in case of fellow democracy, otherwise ends up sitting unhealthy president. how do we not to the ground about buying energy from russia? very, thank you. all of you would be paying much more for your energy. indeed, if i decide to buy energy from russia, despite the pressure from the west of the world, against those trade relations, investigators look into a possible western sized through terrorist attacks against russia. pass up to a $143.00 was killed in the moscow concepts full. that's part of the charge down those the cases of the service targeted with kids and then visit the west because

we headlined the 3. i'm must go time money to start $75.00 with a full use one down. it's a boy and the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle. the kremlin is declared that russia is now in a state of war due to the west involvement in ukraine. does this mean russia is changing strategy and aims? and should we expect the collective west to continue up the escalation bladder?

the cross, how can you create? i'm joined by my get bracket. yonkers in belgium. he is a historian and political analyst. and in belgrade we cross to john bob smith. he is a political consulting gentleman crosstalk roles. and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you. i mean, there's so much as happens in the last few days. my original idea for this program was dmitri pest, golf to put spokesman from the kremlin, made the announcement that rushes in the state of war. then we had the terrorist attack a few hours later, and it does look like this is the more this escalation is actually continuing. even though we, when i came up with the idea of with the program, we hadn't had the terrorist attack. how do you put this all together as well? i think there is no discontinuity on the side of the american and english

puppet tiers, who are running the regime in cuba. i don't give credit or blame to anybody in care for what's happening. these are literally hand puppets run by the anglo american empire. the, the war that's taking place in ukraine is a proxy war. and now all it's been added to the mix is proxy terrorists. and we know the days isis was an organization that was directly linked to the right to the united states and was used by the united states in the past. so it's a no surprise that they would go into their standard bag of tricks and pull out another proxy actor well, products. i mean it's, it's quite curious, isn't it? i mean 55 minutes after it was made public that this terrorist event, it was happening in moscow as it was continuing. the, the us government comes out and says it was isis. that's kind of interesting. they still can't figure out who blow up the north stream pipeline, but they are absolutely sure of what happened in moscow. they also said that they

had given warning. we don't know what that was, what kind of warning, how specific it was, why they did it. um, you know, that needs to be the investigated. a whole lot of things need to be investigated, but they were really quick to make the decision of who to blame. obviously they were trying to protect ukraine because they also said ukraine wasn't behind it. well, why would you say that if it, if you weren't and it wasn't there a suspicion, go ahead in belgium. it is definitely a very suspicious the and very involved things to say. of course the moment some of the documents that there is the fact that it would jump in as a country that is not officially involved in anything. and this gave us the united states and saying like, okay, we know for sure it was not a great, you know, that is very all very specific as well. that they say it has to be biased, has to be isis. i mean, just because of the fact that it was a better is a big by itself doesn't always necessarily mean it has to be isis, of course, and even more and more specific data outside of us. isis thought of some problems for the ones that are active enough, but it's done. so it's very specific,

very all they do start immediately posting less than an hour after that. and if that happens, and in many ways i think that is it's, it's more like a smoking gun in the hand of the americans under your gradients, of course, by proxy because the fact that they are denying so, but humanly that it was not right that it was done so that they're denying any sort of involvement, involvement, mix it all the more, all the more suspicious. but also since we know, i mean when you look at this, a bag of course with ers that happened the officer, the american statement was made. these are not the stereotypical modus operandi. situations organizes the fact these people, they did not go in there with the full intentions off keeping board and board market. and they did not go in there, devote themselves up or to die in a blaze of glory. that's a into the finding and specify the police. they ran off they faced by the way, in the same card that they went in, which is very strange and kind of stupid. and they, when they were called,

eventually embryos today, they run off into the forest, hoping that they could run away for their lives. these are not, you know, daddy do, these don't seem at least dedicated what hobbies like the service of the kind stuff we have seen. for example, in, in syria or even the kinds that participated in 2004 and the best loved shooting the text. my goodness publish, they kind of felt like fearless. do you, how does that that? that's the 3rd is that, that we are used to see it is all just look more like hired guns where as we know a baron z as also phase a some that may be to them was considered a pretty good friday. i'm on monday and we know according to their own statements that they were, that they were still hoping to get paid for the fact they were hoping to get through. it doesn't get paid more. yes, i'm correct if they, if these were religious fanatics during the month of ramadan, that does also seem quite really strange. but um we have uh the,

the investigation is ongoing. we're not drawing any conclusions. i certainly am not doing that. okay. the state department seems to have an inside loop here, which is kind of odd in itself here. john, you know another thing the, the 1st thing that came to my mind and actually tweeted about it is a potential smoking gun no direct connection. but victoria newlands nasty surprises comment as she was leaving her position. that's rather odd. this is very nasty far even worse than nasty. but john it does so some kind of intent. john. absolutely remember when we're dealing with an victoria and we're, we're dealing with a grand daughter of a nazi a card carrying nazi propaganda is from world war 2. so she is dealing with a, an agenda that has been running through her family for 3 generations. now. the fact that she might have had her title changed or being moved off of the official

position of maine mac cracker for the state department in ukraine does not mean that she and her network behind her is not still involved. i don't think that america is withdrawing any assets from this battle. i think what we've got here is just another us organized attack on russia. and we've got, as i said before, we've got a proxy war. and now we've got proxy terrace. and all of these proxies can be traced back to the united states, and it's not hard to do it. what we're going to see next is how russia will respond once they get these men on trial, once to full fax or delivered. and once we find out who engaged them, that's going to be key information and it will affect this conflict. quote, the event that, you know, obviously i have to watch western media um is difficult as it is. but, you know, they're saying that this is a, a strike against russia to spoil, quote, unquote,

prudence, re election. another way to divide people, not all of those things of work. i mean, i've lived in this country for 26 years straight. i have never seen such an outpouring of grief. and believe me, gentlemen, there's been a lot of tragic things that happen in this country since i've lived here. but the unity of the people is extraordinary now and how it will. another issue is practice . you know, um, uh, russian will um, seek revenge against you crate. i don't see it changing the military operations whatsoever. them, it might have changed a bit because cops comments, you know, i, i took, i took it on board is, you know, yes, russia, is it a conflict with the collective west? i'm, i'm glad they finally said that, because we know that that's been the case since the very beginning though we're, it's possible that the intelligence assets and ukraine will be targeted. more one can ask why they haven't been in the past, but we'll leave that aside. brecht,

it's a very good point and i think a lot of a lot of criticism that is being being billed as well as i think, domestic and also abroad really against the way russia has conducted the especially military operation. at least criticism. i'm not talking about the pro, your premiums, not the liberal west in the predicts which go on a very um, sort of a 100 times in the but you know, you're also being some sort of major booking and, but the actual analysts will often say, especially people who are you an entry area this disposition will often say, and i think this is definitely true that russia has been still using the, the development glove and dealing which is great. of course, a lot of people have died tragically. of course, a lot of degrading soldiers and particularly how fossil vague and ridiculously stupid offensive so such as the boat did all the ration recently. and of course, that guy in bathroom. but in terms of the destruction that could've been wrong on

ukraine, especially if it compared to for example, how does less has wage war on, on you can saw the uh, on, on, you know, in syria and libya and on demand. and is anyone guys a drawing golf? i'll know exactly if you, if you were, if process going to war against the freight and the way that it's run, it has gone through more against like a job or recently. but that still would have been in the millions, if you, if you translate it to the amount of people who live in ukraine. we know recently that was a, i believe, the latest effect on the product of the i to electric. the electric land, at least, is the one of the 1st times in which you rush as far as i've seen. it wasn't the 1st time. russia has destroyed a primary power reduction station with a ukraine. so far valid was often the substations that were being destroyed. so cause that means there is a conflict going on for over 2 years now and there are so i drew electric and you know, gold plans, whatever running that provide power to your grand blanc, across the bracket. as far as far as i know, i may be wrong, but they're still, they're still a gas being transmitted through ukraine from russia to europe. exactly. yeah.

precisely, these are, these are things that could have been destroyed. of course, the russell could have gone much further, but then of course, the problem is deductible. would have also been much worse as not just for the, the military but for the civilian population. and as the civilian population in ukraine is in many ways considered to be, they are a problem to people, to the russians. they are in many ways. russians themselves. that's why i'm letting it within the interview with the doctor charles and said this is in many ways the civil war. yeah. in reality against basically that's a, that's, i would say just as a civil war. but the russians and all the russians that don't believe that the russian, you know, think, well, i mean, the impact is, is very interesting because, you know, if you look at the entire history of independent ukraine, is it, they've, they've been very competing ideas of what it means to be ukranian and whatnot. and then unfortunately with victoria new and again we have this a deletion, neo nazi. i'm also a nationalist. were put in power after the cool. and that's what tipped ukraine

completely upside down before that it was, you know, they muddled through with these very difficult ideas about identity. but the united states and the european union in forced an identity on ukraine on thursday because that's it. i'd like to just go ahead and just jump in, but before we go to the break, go ahead of the, the, in, in this entire conflict. people in the west might not understand russia's motives. and people in the west might have been expecting russia to make a full scale war on ukraine because they've taken the ukrainian propaganda line, depth it, ukrainians are not russians. and therefore these are 2 enemy nations that are trying to destroy each other. now that's why russia entered this conflict years of late trying job. yeah, i have, i have the job, we have to go to a hard break. okay gentlemen, we're going to go those onto a heart breaking down so that we'll continue our discussion on you might expect without the

the what else shows just don't you have to see power to come after kids and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support we choose to look so common ground the the welcome back to across the dock were all things are considered computer level to mind you were discussing. you create the

let's go back to john in belgrade. what are the good, what are the downsides of television? is that you have to go to break sometimes. ok, i interrupted, you please continue in no problem at the key point here is that the, the western pundits and even the western military operatives have miss understood the nature of russia's offensive in ukraine. russia operated on what america calls the responsibility to protect a theory americas gave itself years ago, the right to intervene anywhere in the world where a minority is threatened with genocide or other attack. and of course, that's exactly what was happening in ukraine. the russian speaking minority in ukraine, which has rushing as its mother tongue, was being pressured, was being driven out and was being physically attacked by the government army of ukraine 410000 people. 14000 people like, i'm sorry,

go ahead. work. before russia entered the conflict, so this is the, this is the, the difference of the way russia deals with this things. russia tried to secure and has effectively done so with most of the territory. the overwhelmingly, russian speaking as nick, russian population of ukraine. it still has territory is left to liberate from ukrainian army, but that's the 1st point to start from. secondly, this attack in moscow looks to me, as i said earlier in this, in this discussion looks very much like a proxy terrorist attack run again from the united states and the objective such an attack would be to cause russia to go into full scale war. why? because if america endings and of course, can drive russia into a full scale war against ukraine,

they will be in bidding hatreds between 2 brothers that will last for generations. and if they're losing the war in total in ukraine, what better then to see the next war today? and that's where we get to this situation with the terror attack seating tomorrow's wars today. that's what it looks like to me and i think that that's what we can expect america to do again and again, not so long as this conflict continues. that's why, you know, this is ridiculous. talk, you know, where they want a korean solution. you know that a frozen comp like break, that's really nonsense because yes, ukraine is exhausted. it's having problems with man power and munition. the whole thing debt also of the russia is not going to settle and say, okay, well, just calm it down, and then you claim dest rebuilds with nato help. that's not going to happen. then this, all of this would have been in vain. brecht. yes,

absolutely. and i think that regardless of course, as, as learned lessons from 2014, you know, like there are back in 2014. yeah. they took a rest and made sure to protect and to do basically reclaim dried me. i considering the fact that they're at the, the new bands writes influence, you know, the on, that's the influence government, the officers. but he's 14, you're a might onto, was a threat directly opposed to the rest of the community as well as to the russian interest in, in try me on. which was, which was interesting. intrinsic part of the deal of following the break of the soviet union debt would allow ukraine to still retain crime yet, you know, in a home. the condition of coal is that the russian likes a fleet good still be allowed to do more there and basically onto operator. and that was all at risk. but unfortunately in retrospect of course, it is very easy to speak on site is 2020. but in retrospect, of course, it would actually have probably been easier and probably have been been better for

us to have moved in for the liberation of the day. and i have done boss reason back in 2014. yeah, of course, the reason i didn't do it is because there was a whole that we could that that could be negotiations. that could be a part. yeah, dimension records. yep. so let's do was elected as a new standard and you know, it was against these e riley as a, as a pull edition against these, these, of these war mongering, neo nazis like for example, you know, it was supposed to be the, these kinds of that i think a lot of people felt for them in many ways pressure, maybe the bulk reverse or said, okay, we have to give them the jobs. we have to give this a shot and see what we can get. unfortunately, that didn't get anything. that's why in 2022, the, the only next step to prevent c, nato application. and they to membership an expensive of your trade at the destruction of the russians and both of us military operations. yeah, well, you know, it's out. and i mean, if we think you know about, think the chronology all all the way up to today, you have a, it's

a refutable. the united states was heavily involved in the cooling 2014 breakfast already brought it up. we know now that the west was dishonest about the whole minsk process. then we have north stream, then um, what, right, right before that we had the assembled process to end the war. the west didn't want that. and now we have a terrorist attack in moscow. i'm sorry, i mean you're dealing with this a western dishonesty, john and this is a lie upon lie upon lie. the entire thing has every sign of being a setup from the start. first, zelinski is brought from nowhere as a comedian to be the star of a television series run by one of the all the gars color moist key. who, who i pushed zelinski into the public eye as a president in a television series called servant of the people. so basically zelinski was

campaigning illegally before and the election was called to become the president of this pseudo state, the, the key of rump ukraine. and to run a war by lying about bringing peace. and it certainly isn't the 1st time that america is told somebody that they're coming to bring peace and actually brought or what they did here in yugoslavia is a prime example this these past 25 years. and i covered the war here as a journalist. these 25 years had been 25 years of american, coordinated, an english and backed war across the globe. it has been an attempt by speak color revolutions, fake lying media, fake in g o. s, and fake political figures to take over countries without having to have full scale wars. and now, when they're about to lose this war in ukraine, they're trying to do whatever they can to cause russia to act in

a manner which plays into their relationship with the ukrainian people forever. and i can tell you, there is no sign that russia will make that mistake. russia has the ability to pinpoint strikes and russia will eliminate the foreign factor that's running this war. these are american advisors. these are american pilots deal citizens who are going to be flying the of sixteens. this is an american run proxy war complete now with proxy terrorist. yeah. so in practice, but it's not going so well. that's why they're panicking or go. that's why the cab resume is resorting to terrorism. we see a border of cities and russia being bomb during festivals killing civilians, only civilians they were tired so that there, there is a continuity here. the more desperate you are, the more panic you are, the more you're going to result is or to these types of actions. go ahead, brett. yeah, this is, this is also why they are relying more and more on the of the so called the legions

of russell dears that are, that they claim are, you know, less than this. it is a work now for you, prince. because of these things are always very difficult to verify, but they, they go and the fact that border cities, they go and assassinate people like the assessing and the speed they go. and then this is a very interesting just a little back. so i just got the baby and invested in the taking stuff, which is the country of residence hall for of the main main, the director of the cups. it's all you have took him off a lady that was the i guess i'd be invested in your grade. does it take you some was before this before 2020 duty above the chief of the foreign intelligence service of your train. he has a state of the offer of marriage and his date of service in the as be you as well as before, the border guards. he's a man with 00 diplomatic experience, who was at the until that point until 2022, exclusively, and military unintelligence offered this was suddenly became invested in the budget yourself. what's the, what's the best for that point? property runs on the radar because you know, respectfully who cares with the trading and invested it does,

it gets done. but it is interesting. now when you see this disconnection slow thing about more and more, why is the, the former a foreign intelligence piece of your brain now and invested there in budget gets done and trying to for ment, relations with a country budget you start which has the back to a sort of open border policy with russia, and we know that hundreds of thousands of subjects who are very often in, in bumper as conditions you know, and might be quite desperate for funds. who knows who are living and in russia and, and who can like these 4 people be easily swayed by momentary achievements. that doesn't mean the ability to be, of course, the kingston binders and by right. yeah, i agree with the other guest speaker that we're talking most likely about a far bigger operation that involves the united states that the berries. but this is all the mazda building. i ability of all the building. right. so united i use all righty, sir edwards could feel people in moscow. you know, good luck trying to prove that. right. that is,

that is exactly what they're doing. you're trying to this will not really affect the rush as capacity to, to wage war. i absolutely agree with it. it was like, well that's what the, what job you want to jump and go ahead for you. i just want to say that these are plans which have been on the books for 50 years. this destruction of what was the former soviet union, was planned by us intelligent services, an english intelligent services way back even in the 1950s they supported neo nazis who followed on into the 1950s in ukraine as in the 1970s. when's big brzezinski was the national security deep adviser in the united states. they were planning these very operations. this is a long term seating of hatred, followed by war seating of hatred, followed by war in the ultimate aim of creating an in the t between the 2 nations, which is unbridgeable. i don't believe that that can be done. the history of these

peoples is so long and so deep that america's plastic overlay will not succeed. you know, one thing i want to point out, because i think the western propaganda is trying to shut out any kind of discussion here. i would urge our, our viewers to use google or a public utility that everyone has access to type in is law, makes terrorism in ukraine. you'd be shocked by what you see before 2014, the different kind of connections that ukraine is had with these groups, allowing some of their members to live in ukraine for what reasons we don't know. we could all speculate here, but do a little bit of research here. my 2 guests here have given us facts, not just opinions. that's all you get in western media is opinions. there are a lot of facts. there's a lot of dots and i want to end the program by saying, we're not making any definitive conclusions investigations are going on with.

there's a lot of lingering questions and that's what we do here on this program with my wonderful guest as all the time we have one, i think my guess in belgrade and in belgium. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. c. you next time remember, prospect, the the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few fractured images presented as 1st?

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