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must go monday to speak to scott, to invite for the full use. run down the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter labelle, secretary defense lloyd, austin declared, well hosting his is really counterparts. the us israel military relationship is on shake level, as israel continues at slaughter a palestinians and gods, but historical record notes. the american administration is a name co conspirators to genocide.

the cross country in palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal in media analyst in ottawa. we have already em says he is a professor of international law at queen's university as well as author of the united nations and the question of palestine an amount we have now. so we nice are, he is a bricks and bass that are to jordan and the middle east are a gentleman, cross up rules and effect. that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate professor, if i can go to you 1st in ottawa, this is your, um, uh, your area of expertise. so uh the law and how the international community is dealt with the palestine question. i think the international law has been made into complete mockery. it doesn't stand for anything any more if there are exceptions. and why do we have laws the in the american approach to this quote and quote on a non binding resolution? which correct me if i'm wrong, sir, but i mean,

when the united nations security council has a resolution in both out and it becomes international law, how can the americans make that exception? what at the same time, not voiding the entire process. go ahead, professor, i thank you very much for having me. well, how to put this delicately. the us position is complete. nonsense. so your question suggested on the article 25 of the united nations charter members of the united nations agreed of accepting carry out the decisions of the council. and as has been confirmed by the international court of justice specifically. and it's 1971 and adviser opinion on that may be a substitution to me. don't take the place with in chapter 7 of the charter, which some commentators are, are the shooting and they cover all decisions of the council. so resolution to $7.00 to $8.00, which calls for a cease fire in gaza is one such decision. and it therefore binds all parties to the conflict, but in particular, israel because it is a member state of the united nations. well mass. all right, and i'm on. if,

if i'm drawing on what we just heard from the professor in ottawa, even though the united states abstained, it's incumbent upon the united states to take action. if israel does not take action, stop it slaughtering gaza. the west side is obligated by this resolution, even though they abstain, permit to, to intervene if they, if necessary, by all means necessary. nicer to thank you. first of all, how need you to know what to say is 1st that they, you ask what part of this huge mess around sculptors and gather? you know, the main thing is that this resolution from the security council is obligated to it by well, but the us will actually accommodate and disobey of not just starting from the top of the 7 bucks for the last 100 years since the beginning of this huge genocide, actually the whole list of course was actually covering israel because it isn't right. you does that cooling. you know,

that when the project is going to be the least, they planted this project, you know, they are covered and you have to be on the, even you not just with the political data began in the international community, but also by using thing with weapons by helping them with that the high take that can lead for more and more of that please thing in the the actual the t because the genocide that disney concludes in go body style is part of the western culture. it's part of the quality of western culture that, that's actually created is for you to set up the goals. well, you know, line on line likes to refer to himself as the guy for in the fishbowl on this program. and i appreciate it very much. but the line only if, if you look at the, what happened in the united nations and this is not the 1st time there was an attempt at a resolution calling for a ceasefire. the united states and israel is all alone. is there any awareness here in new york? is there any awareness of that or,

or if there is an awareness to people, care or? uh no. uh, to answer your question. uh, going back historically. you remember uh, a gentleman around the turn of the 20th century. they had these bare knuckle boxers who would do this a lot, and they would jack johnson, and they would do this. they never would land up punch in anybody, but it looks great. that's the you with a, i'm a lawyer by profession and i'm not an international lawyer at one time. i was asking why is this not in force? i want to read the fine print. it says this is merely aspirational. i'm thinking, well, what's the point of this? so what we're doing is we're having gobbledygook. and not only that, we're having this cool, bulky dance, this theater, this synchronized scrum, where people stand with arms that kimball in just why you. yeah, but like the resolution wasn't aspirational, i mean english is my 1st language. i understood it was pretty clear. okay. it's not

the record. it is a demand. but there's no one for all know what, but that was mike. that was my question to are guessing the mom is i know it's past the united states must take action. it must cut off all aid. it must cut off all diplomatic cover. and if it may have, even if it has to use military force that has to enforce the rabbit the resolution . okay. and then when you have seen bachelor saying, i mean, the audacity say, well, this was non binding. nobody else in the room knew that lionel. but who is, but the next question is fine. who in fours is if you go back and you say, excuse me, we must now let less all voted for enforcement if that were even possible. how would that occur and, and what are the mechanisms in place to do it? and if you don't have a that needs fairly aspirational, it's just, it's a see a rather go body. well then, well they go ahead like if somebody does come in on line with what i actually what, why actually take is point the seriously and

a good good number of my students regularly ask whether or not. and this goes to the point at lydell is making this international law is indeed law in the absence of say, for instance, a centralized enforcement mechanism that we, we would have at most municipal or domestic systems. however, can it be said that this law, which is binding is indeed law and bind. and so, but that's a fair question to ask, but then one needs to assess or take account of the fact that international it doesn't operate in the same way that our domestic legal system, student there is no centralized enforcement mechanism or we do have our various mechanisms one of which is the security council of the united nations who does have the authority to pass and binding resolutions on all member states of the united nations under article 25 of the un charter. and in this case, we have a resolution of the council demanding, demanding, that is obligatory a ceasefire. and so to the extent that israel is violating that demand to him to a cease fire and the gas a strip, there is no question that as

a matter of international law, they are d like they're, they're, they're violating that law. the next question is as wine was mentioned, well what next? and so the next question is moving to the council. again, for more tea, a resolution that will be passed of the council would you provide for sanctions on israel for failing to abide by its international legal obligations under our defender resolution $2728.00, and so on. and so in a while, as we say under domestic law, we have direct systems of enforcement under international either less direct but they exist none the less and simply because israel, an outlier and the united states, also an outlier on this question, are violating law doesn't mean the law doesn't exist, it does exist, and the palestinian people are experiencing the neighbors sold. the failure to abide by this international law in their person. some 32000 or more dead killed rather, some 70000 or more injured. and 1700000,

and that's 85 percent of the population of the gas a strip forcibly transferred all of them indiscriminately bombarded a starvation being used as a tool against them. these are serious matters now. the principal judicial organ of the united nations because that all of this amounts to a plausible genocide, cancelled action must be taken by states. they all have obligations to prevent genocide. these are positive obligations. they exist for the united states. they exist for canada where i'm sitting h, as for every member of the genocide convention and so on. so action can be taken. we just need the political will to get moving. ship it now. so in accent is it is, is culpability as well. i'm. i've titled this program genocide in arms, and if i can go back to my introduction with lloyd austin, you know, unshakable. i mean, that is pleading guilty to the actions of your co conspirator in the middle east, and that's as real. so for the heck do you,

do you have to belong to this new boeing genocide? now what i haven't yet between deland now do we do often actually go, i'm give you a list of the white ones that she wants to bring out to this room. and during this visit, that to me is actually that the u. s. is actually just facing hawk. oh that is we using those came out to the security council. this is for 2nd. we need to check the real and the fact that the actual u. s. political pores in to the citizens until now, more than 240 ship and we're actually kind of all kind of wavelengths that were sent to live, right? yeah, also you can just to check the other 2 go. these are more than 2000 bleed b, a bear with me is, but in order to get a, a israel direct the code this well. so if we want to be honest and to be

a friend to what the whole hour walk units, we have to say that the you asked if they can plus and verify the this. i'm going. genocide is a po box. this is the only description that we can describe the us action since the october 7th. i'm filling out and actually if we want to retain back in history, i'm ready to have the you has just a guarantee that is right. it will always mean team have a, what are we can describe has advanced the military aid all over the region in order not just to, you know, secure or, or to give as low as they say, a variety of defense. but to ensure that they do mean anything, the whole area, and no one will ever had the problem with nicer with that is that when that had gemini is challenged, then the united states is, it's putting itself into a position where it has to fight all of israel's enemies,

and that's exactly what the government in, in israel wants and that's and yeah, and wants the united states to fight it's wars for it. you do agree with me? yeah, it's a fault and i agree with this, but the thing is how they will fund it down by the ones that different version of how we will achieve those goals. so there's actually one actually i believe you can send in 3 on, so i don't and let me delete it then israel is, is the one who's leaving the restaurant extra, the believe. but the thing is already back there to hold that thought we have to go to our hard break. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on palestine state with our team, the the renters. i do this, but it's a bit of a cover letter. gosh, a little that to me and i know even though for me at the,

the school goodness of you know, where you liked it the wish for you see when they're gonna leave her the single day this year. i'm going to be like for us to be on the right in the best of choice, the because they charge the cps because they come to school. so i'd be that to and then use familiar, e mail futures reach us. and then to the roles, the nazi theory of racial superiority, finished style for years of creating an ssl all the place and 14 concentration comes. so the full prisoner of war labor comes 10 prisons daily. well, you know,

since we're doing new school level, she's the media venue. so i'm assuming you need even the chest really to get over the lift gate. i'm assuming your bill is going to be an approximate. the 25000 people went through the archipelago, a spanish camps, according to official figures. these move stuff, dudley looked at. if the ship did you do it in like a mighty and not sure. it's just the snyder stuff. so the youngest, i mean, yeah. what the famine disease forced labor to which it by the warden, the simple meals, what was the last it? it also means you know, you, that the city variables given off with those who put his name, push these things up and give you what you want to do it, it could have done it with those thousands of testimonies of crimes and the impunity of criminals. nothing more when you've got here, you know, wanted to do this because not in the did i tell you? yeah. for the good i see it are released upon me. they decided to do just have to do, please don't. so you can just do it. but this is danielle,

that was put in the mood along the us. welcome back across the top where all things are considered on gabriel about commend you were discussing palestine. the, you know, the line to, let's go back to line to the new york, one of the things that it really weighs heavy. it should weigh have on all, all of us here. is it particularly in the united states, but it through the rest of the world in general? but in the united states, all of this is kimberly the genocide they won't use. the word of course, are not allowed to, but all of what's going on is all couched in, in the election calculations. so you know, vitamins go to lose michigan who can do it. and if i find it, it, it, it almost takes the life out of me. i mean, here put its tens of thousands of people are being killed and the worried about

which direction one congressional district. my go. i mean, that is just so hollow. it shows how hollowed out western society is vinyl. this week, which one of the, the biggest fund raisers ever at radio city music hall with the obama and clinton and then in a raise $1020000000.00. the, the, the democratic party has been absolutely dead mora been in a coma. and here's the best part in peter you. and i have talked about this before . the people, this is this associates of funded for me, the people that i, i used to dismiss as being my political and capital opposite to whatever i am now listening who make more sense. i read somebody to a friend of mine was one of the most cogent answers regarding what the american responsibility is to the saving of lives. children and then people starving and i

read it and i said guess who said that alexandria. ok. so again. okay, so say the same thing has happened to me over the last, but in the last few new cycles. yeah. and i'm thinking of myself, wait a minute. the also the rise of, of a platform this week also in new york obviously would be in baltimore. that was a bridge collapse. and by me said, where are we, you know, we said we will, we will put this together. we will pay for this. so people as, where are you getting the money for this? and we all said, ah, good question, isn't it funny when it comes to our infrastructure and up there? by the way, this very domestic government don't mean to board. but, but to show you there's this question that people should be asking is, where do we get money to support ourselves here? where is the democratic response and peter, you, when you're from a generation where the left to progressive left were part of typically almost

argued typically and t war and i, and i finally, i'm saying if you just could replace the words israel with, let's say france or scotland and the how could france do this? there would be a completely different discussion. forget the word genocide. so what we're doing is, again, i'm going to be in a, in a, an a, a 1st ball. but the democratic party, the republicans are very clear. they're absolutely adamant they're, they're consistent, but the democrats are skipped to product and this will be the chance for the republicans to, to seize upon that, to form a schism. they won't even do it. yeah. but so, but line will that it, that the downside of that is, or republicans or pro israel and palestine. so be careful what you hope for professor in ottawa, you know, one of the things, it's very unsettling for me as an american coming from the west is that, you know, the west is a come to terms in many ways with its colonial saddler projects around the world

and they, they, they lay their face and shame. theirs will talk of reparations about how countries or peoples all around the world recover from colonialism, imperialism, but it's still west and almost exclusively in the west. but it is promoting a settler, a colonial st project in the middle east, and they don't, nobody in the west likes to talk about. it's too uncomfortable. you know, i mean a, again, a line on i as americans, you know, you know, what we did to the native americans was shameful, with slaughter. we didn't use the word genocide, but that's what it was. but the west now it says flipped and saying, well this project is okay professor. yeah, uh, yeah, i know very, very good point. and in fact uh, as a canadian, but we have under gone very much the same if you like transition. uh, uh the, the representation of what canada has done to the 1st nations people, the indigenous people in canada has been effectively whitewashed. where now where

the sad and a few poorly about it in the public. but little is done to assist the situation of real people on the ground, living in poverty here in canada to our 1st nations. and so this is given rise to my view that a lot of this concern for the settler colonial project or reconciliation with what we have done in the, in the quote unquote new world is profound. it is. and we have proof of that not only by how we treat, how the states and canada, the united states and other settler colonies treat their 1st nations people. but all foreign policies as well and instructive the natives of palestine where an indigenous population is very clearly ending real time and continually since 1947 undergoing a process of an ethnic cleansing of displacement on the one hand and replacements on the other by combining by folks who want to take their land and resources take, for instance, the very many public statements made,

not merely statements, but actions taken by his raving meters, who indicate that once and gas that use gas think we cleanse the ones, the palestinian population. all 2200000 of them are driven into the sign i or driven so somewhere or perhaps even into the sea that they'll take over their land and build properties and resettle the gaza strip and so on. so as you, as you rightly point out, there's a continuum here, and it is no, a wonder why israel's staunchest supporters in the guys a matter now are the settler colonies of the west, the united states, canada, and someone that needs to be called out. and i'm glad you put that question to us, but i do think that it is self evident for a lot of folks in the global. so certainly the medians, certainly the south africans who've taken this case before, the international court of justice on genocide and so on. so we're adding inflection point, gather has provided an inflection point in international relations, driving

a wedge between the global sales, who can see what's actually happening on the ground and gather and to the beleaguered guys in palestine in population and other small countries. the smaller number of countries, but far more powerful in the industrialized west. yeah. now, so one of the most pathetic things, i mean it's almost a half of year of just unbelievable tragedy. and, and, and for the most part, the, but a, the leads in the west turned their face away. they don't want to see it. okay. if i don't see it, then they're not culpable, but everybody can see it. all right. so jared questionnaire, the son in law of donald trump, his comments in the it was in the telegraph. he was at the kennedy school and he just talked about the as the palestine. question is if it was just a real estate issue, you know, that's fine. i saw that video and that was not true because that's an invalid. that happened late. oh, cool, cool. we were actually live and under for the past 100 years, because this 3 is an open space for all kind of, you know,

absorbing resources and just making more profit. and so then we're just not the humans. and the humanizing us makes this land and hope and land warm. yusef loves the will gain and make more money and the name of the more expensive the like nation which is actually not just gonna um see me but it's actually, um, it's just i, it's, i can't imagine someone is just can just talk about the appropriate use of the guidance people who are actually guild, systematically for the last 6 months and just do so easy to about. it is like um you know, a commercial project where this land is. uh, you know, uh, gonna bring the lower investment score on that is right here. is, and that's why they issued and they have to, you know, okay, you buy the best, you're not the rich coast. who are you just forgot to tell any of the

students that the school that there. well now what more than one being and susan 100 funds to me, i looked in the same area. actually what she's proposing is let us just participate fully because the profits of money definitely. oh all the more so is like, oh, $700.00. all those kind of thing, it's all the more so since i'm a most of the palestinians look gaza strip. they've already been displaced. maybe sometimes many, many times. i mean, you keep pushing them that way. i mean, it is really extraordinary. you know, line on it and you know, you and i have known each other for a very long time and, you know, with a sarcastically ripped apart this whole works culture. you know, i'm a victim, you're a victim. were who is the victim on the totem pole? and all that, but of a marketplace that was spinning and so not victims are they. it's just amazing to me how the left, particularly in the lab. they can go down the day by the totem pole of who's been victimized. but the palestinians are just not there. you can't see them. we're not

allowed to see them line. oh, yeah. if, if ever, you know, peter, i, we, we always, well, we, the, the right always speaks of this mythical magical, incredible wizard, saul, a lensky, and how he created this, these a, these a die the dialectic and, and let me tell you the way it works here is very, very simple, then you can watch any television show or any kind of, of attempt of discussing it. you will ask the question, do you recognize it? how much is a terrorist organization? do you believe the what that is real has the right to defend itself. and then for some reason it just stops. and to show everything begin on october, the 7th. and if and that's the launching port, what would you do? what am see? wait a minute that that doesn't even be getting to even even remotely. but she, peter and gentlemen, as you know in our culture, you have a one minute block. if you are lucky or any major cable news or the air quotes

your news. and that's as far as it goes. do you know what it's like for anybody to say, let me give you 75 years plus of not true, but perspective it's, there is no time for that. it's look, that's a tough place. they've got to defend themselves and we, we invoke $911.00. yeah. yeah. what i'm saying. they have had a rough day about a time and memorial. they've been enemies here. let me, let me finish off with the professor. i don't owe you guys. why don't i? why don't i just get in on that order? you just to go back to peter with the point to do the new made palestinians being able to represent themselves. this has been a classic problem and edward, so i put it very, very well when he asked a tony and she for permission to married situation with palestine is as simple as you mentioned in the gaza strip. 7075 percent of the population are themselves not guessing their palestine refugees who originate from the areas that became the

state of israel in 1947, 4849 and are only in the gaza strip in force to exile because they're not huge because the state of israel is prohibiting their ability to return their right to return to their homes from which they were forcibly professor. i mean, all right, i have, i have to jump in here on this very salient point, but we've run out of time. i want to thank my guess an auto renew your again, i'm on. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in archie and see you next time. remember, prospect rules the the big the band list to go ahead.

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