reshape the political map of europe, not the way the anglo saxon sent as a power had out. and also national liberation movement started running around the world and the authority of the soviet union. the game was in homes. well, this required the west to consolidate around american military clouds. and if we try to single out a significant milestone in that price as a starting point, we should perhaps mention winston churchill status lecture, which is commonly known as his fulton speech, where he outlined several key points which lead to shape nato's philosophy as what other well known statements, and 1st thing that comes to mind is the quite from a speech by nato's 1st. secretary general mode is mike, who said that nate was created to keep the soviet union out, the americans and, and the germans down that is under control. and if today we replace germany with the european union, we'll see that the purpose of nature, the way it was designed 75 years ago, is not changed. the toner is still a tool to the american hedge human 8 a tool of subjects in europe, to american military and political interests of the shots at the piece. you think

this is one of the reasons why donald trump skies everyone's so much, especially the american political lead to he said many times that the us should lead me to. so i suppose my question here is, how do you rate good sean to solve the united states, putting out the block? and secondly, how valuable is this ever expanding allowance incognito, is internal differences? i'm talking specifically about the us and to key a here to effect its future look of diploma. well, we diplomats deal with reality and the reality is that native has been around. it is still that apparently in the foreseeable future, sealants is going to stay the way it is now and the way it develops. we know, however, that the us is working now and creating glitches that they've idols in the way of any presidential decisions regarding it may take memberships of. that's one thing. another thing is that the americans, and that's not only trumpeting but also the americans who insisted that european

allies increase the military spending, using this threats of putting out of nato to force your pains to, as trump puts it, pay more for security. looking at things realistically though it's an absurd situation. as of today, military budgets have nathan member states taken together and see 52 percent of the world's title. we're looking at 1.2 trillion at least therapy and allies. contribution is 450000000000 is 450 bailey and is 7 to 8 times more than the military budget of the russian federation. plus nice, don't forget that the usa is global military presence is very expensive to maintain . the americans have some 602700 military facilities scattered across the globe. they seek domination in all regions and all potential fates developer ration. if we subtract the money that is spent on defending europe, it's going to be much less than the $800000000000.00, but is the total amount of america's military appropriation spruce. if a militarist circles come to power in america and site increase the military budget

to one for the and then of course the european shit will be much lower compared to that to say. so regulations dictate that 20 percent of military spending must go towards procuring new alma, but as of now you're paying the nato met the states make about 80 percent of the procurements abroad. and i was 60 percent of it comes from the us site. so if we crunch the numbers, we get some $100.00 billions worth of weapons that the europeans will have to buy from the usa. he's going to give us such a profit. that's why i think that off to another round of such threats from washington to europeans, a going to fold in line and immediately for fill. any order is coming from the us capital safety. the already talked about 2 percent, not big enough, 3 percent being the desired number is the sort of military psychosis. they will continue to drive, and that psychosis will be very favorable to the americans to continue that policy of subjugating your con, your afford such a huge contracts right now. we're still waiting for,

it would seem that continuing to spend such results as on insane goals like confrontation with russia would be political suicide in the current situation. the fact is, the russian threatening, say suddenly in the minds of americans, of western europeans, specifically those who make confrontation with russia, the basis of best foreign policy. the basic experience of the cold was tossed estimate hostile policies combined with very hostile, unfriendly, military planning is an explosive mixture that will brief of the confrontation ultimately lead to an alms race. we had to make colossal efforts prevent escalation at that time. and it was the time when the west side political leaders of the calibrate, needed to make decisions. that would reverse the alarming trend. there's all so the fact that sooner or later west least will have to explain to the societies why and how this money was spent, why they're buying tanks, planes in of it system in order to have had more or less credible to their constituencies. they will say, yes, we did that to prevent russian from attacking us. russia would certainly have

attacked us if we hadn't done that. that's the power, don't have the current situation, but it's also the power adults. so this manufactured trend of demonizing, russia is unfortunately necessary for the survival of native itself. nature cannot exist without an external adversary. so all those who cons, imagine their security without nature, the vice versa for the instruction from washington and elsewhere, primarily from the capitals of the baltic states and also declared that they are front line states that they in the line of fire, that they will be the 1st victims of russian aggression, if it's not resisted. so they're the ones in charge, and that's a reality that we have to reckon with we don't do ups of, you mentioned the cold war era, just going back to that period. how would you describe nature's policy during the time of those the us saw on the wall so true to the nice ation existed? and is it 5 to say that most go gave the lines of leadership any quotes for tucson? yes, a good is. if we talked about russia's, or rather,

the soviet union's policy at the time, moscow did not give any costs for consent on the country. most coast policy in the past 4 years was focused on shaping a common european security architecture. several potential treaties were drafted. one of them was literally holding tracy on common european security rush. i propose other schemes, arms control instruments to solve them with measures rush insisted on solutions to the german questions that with united europe rather than divide it. unfortunately, the west was not willing when we talk about the beginning of the computation era is started exactly with the formation of the native blog which divided europe into 2 camps. as for the most impact which the west plains with cement in the structure of confrontation that led to the cold war. the story was very different. the us as all, was long, reluctant to form alliances with these east european partners. again, we would proposing different ways of transforming your europe composed of 2 opposing groups of states into a place of peace,

corporation and prosperity. and again, the west would not have a local packs came in to be when nature rejected us as a bid to join the law and say, 1950 call. at the same time, nature decided to accept the federal republic of germany as a member uh, in 1965, the warsaw pact was signed and the organization was born for. the interesting thing is that according to one of the final obstacles was or treaty organization was created, i me folded, period of confrontation, and also packed was to be terminated. as soon as a common european security architecture was in place. by the way, the protocol on the termination of the walls will pack the so called prong protocol, signed by the heads of the warsaw pact, states in 1990. 1 explicitly said, as the error of confrontation is ended, we, the heads of state, have decided to terminate the most will pack. this piece in europe will now be established on the basis of common european approaches. you reference the 1954 when the us saw showed some design to join nato and in

recent history environment fusion set the roster at some point have thoughts of joining the organization. why is it that the west wasn't interested in you? well, they showed no interest of cost because the especially movie the us, as all, all the russian federation of latex was simply change the nature of this organization . and it would essentially become upon the european organization. it is the instrument of collective security in europe. for this reason, by the way, it was actually directly written in the reply notes in the united states front of england, the soviet union was not accepted into this organization. there was some other things that might, we can be un to solve it. you need to know, i'm to the club of democratic states said trensler. but the main point was that it would change the nature of this ministry prolong, so in that sense nothing has changed. and if we talk about the formal side of things, of course, restaurants as a new russia did not submit any actual bids. but that will explore the results of

reason. the president might have been foods in publicly shared with all of us, his memories of how this issue was discussed insults with bill clinton and well beyond support. in fact, so i can say that there was such conversations in the community. i did confidential thoughts between diplomats to the issue was present in one way or another. but 1st of all, it was clear from the reaction from the signals that we received from the capitals the, the west would not go for it. and the 2nd thing to play the role was that it was also said that even if russia had applied that would be no exemptions in terms of the admission procedures. this would mean following the membership action plan and the don't take controversial major standards. but the picture we see with some european countries joining the european unit is the site they've been waiting in line for decades. the aims of being twisted different chapters being open and close . it's clear that this approach would be absolutely unacceptable to russia. therefore bites from a formal and informal points of view as well as from a conceptual point of view. since the issue could not be can say that if we 3 voc

ellipse one history to $99.00 to $1.00, we know that both of us will parks. i'm the us to saw, ceased to exist, and not yet. but as you said, anya nate to needs an external enemy. it simply won't survive without it. so do you think that's the reason western countries didn't dissolve? naturebox then in 91 to move the beloved push and they said it wasn't just all primarily because of the united states stocks. it's a foreign policy so they weren't ready to give out. that's the 1st reason. second mate is true that often the most old pack was dissolved, nato ended up being like a fish out of was that without as an opponent. and if nato had stopped expanded, eastwood's at that point, as was promised to be count. gorbachev, who would it defend itself against who would be its opponents? now that was germany would have to defend against potent hungry on the baltic states. it's obvious that nature's role would have been reduced to 0, in that case,

with all the ensuing consequences for the year american airlines that i mentioned earlier this year. so i'm just continuing this topic of expansion. you absolutely correct to notice that there are countries that are waiting, standing in line to join the european union, but the same property comp you set about nature kind of because as we know in the 1990s on to thousands, the blog actively moved eastwood in several ways, what was the goal of that? and what effect at this expansion have on the bushes interest? we have the future. well, as i said, the key goal was to keep nato as such. otherwise he had no chances of survival. by the way, this is what the president had been said, it'd be 19 nineties. they would know objective reasons to keep that as they would know, these threats. this is why they needed that expansion to retain nato as the west instrument, the maintaining influence dominance, both in europe and globally. besides they also and ask themselves when is in the cold world, although this is not the case by any means. so the unit pulled out to the cold war

. that's why it ended, but they proclaim themselves when is in the cold war and the winter is always right . i remember speech by and just by rasmussen, for my date a secretary general already outside of that position, either speaking the conference known as the brussels for him. about what is good about nature. first is the soul. so political legitimacy, why it said? because it's a club of somebody's democratic states and europe and the one to see if this is why nobody can question without the decisions they make. and the actions that they take . because democracy is always all about good things and against all the bad things . now the thing that makes nature better than other organizations is the fact, but in any circumstances, it is the lines that can outcome anybody else. so anyone who dislikes the 1st of the above statements will have to face the 2nd one, the results of that. so the catastrophic interventions and all to well, the most important thing though, is this native way of thinking. they are allowed everything. what others are

allowed, nothing even highlight to be significant interventions. what sort of international, legal, and indeed, electrical judgments can be made regarding data is operations in the 19 ninety's and to thousands. i'm talking specifically the endeavors and the former you can solve the iraq did the scan a strong more system wasn't. many descriptions can be provided aggression, flagrant violations of international law. catastrophe, humanitarian catastrophe. because if we look at the historical legacy of the lines, it concerns dismembered or devastated states. about the emergence of vol spaces like a rock, libya, syria boss spaces, without any state control, which would become a refuge for extreme is a terrorism, where poverty destitution lack of everything. a means of existence prevails as millions of migrants and is millions of law lives. and of course, the license example in the series is afghanistan. they stayed there for 14 years

based on a year in security council resolution state disgrace when he left without being held accountable to view and security council leaving afghanistan. and they basically said that's it. we bought our hands with going, and now they continued as a bus is activities using afghanistan to create tension around the russian federation. you know, something under valley. i guess. speaking of nate to russia relations, what's your assessment of most goes in get age when with the 9th and the 9 to ninety's. thousands. was it as a constructive was? that was the sense that the other side was how bring hostility. so there was some kind of hidden agenda that no more where it's coming up as well for you. but one could talk about the hidden agenda. i would like to point out something else. of course, the russian leadership at that time was faced with a difficult choice choice of how to organize its relations with nature. by the way, the story i told you about the us is all applying for membership and fighting to keep your from being divided into blogs. that story. is there any way similar to

the period you're asking about now? the ninety's, it was a very clear choice. we could either ignore de type, we could accept the fact that they exist. the european union exists along with the g, a political ministry and political realities that come with it. it should not prevent us from trying to build a common european architecture. but as we build this coming europe in architecture, which is designed to minimize the important military blocks, it would hardly be reasonable to ignore the multi get up. then we decided, 1st of all, to establish official relations. a 2nd, a considering that the cold war was over and there was no longer any danger of confrontation between the blocks. but new threats and challenges were looming on the horizon. first of all, those relates to international terrorism and rush. it had to come the main victim of these international terrorism. we decided to look for ways to use the existing military potential and the possibilities of political dialogue. if we talked about the work of the nature of russia, permanent joint counsel and then the nato, russia council, they what 3 main parts. first,

say it was the costs and monitoring of the security horizon by maintaining a political dialogue, discussing the problems and challenges that arise. second, there was the search, but common ground and ways to join efforts need times of coordinating some steps, but also in terms of implementing concrete projects, even conducting joint operations. the food i would say was the residual tasks such as continuing to dismantle the legacy of the cold war building, understand in between the military's sharing military development plans, holding joint exercises and so on and so forth. and what to a sudden extent, corporation, on the new threats and challenges was not very expensive, but it did not overlap with all working of the international organizations and provided added value in terms of security counter terrorism cooperation is one example of maritime search and rescue is another we created modules to rescue crews of submarines in distress. the anti terrorist component included the range of projects, the ready strength and security, including by drawing on the lessons of september 11th, russian, nato. as

a bait and system was established. it was designed to share real time information about aircraft, including commercial blades that did not follow ground commode, meaning that they may have been hijacked by terrorist. and to compel them to lat, george exercises that were conducted over the black sea and the politics that he together with part and then took the all these things works. uninstalled was a major focus. since i've gotten some players, the threat to both national and social security, the primary challenge being drugs, the largest project to trade anti narcotics, personal napkins complex stop and central asian countries was implemented within the framework the rest your day to cancel. a total of $4000.00 offices with trained full engine context moves. it's all sort of the material and combat the capabilities of the after a national army. what reinforced, enabling it to independently control the situation in afghanistan. and there were a number of other projects including come back and i received your let me tell you about the last thing we did from this positive agenda. we developed

a project and came pretty close to implementing it for the 1st day of a joint operation in the history. the russian and agent council is goal was to ensure safe destruction of the chemical weapons removed from syria. syria then joined the chemical weapons convention. they were transported to both the us vessel k, right, which i contain to ship. that was to be anchored family, any specific areas of the mediterranean sea, and could not be moved during the disposal period. everyone understood that it was a very attractive target for terrorist organizations that needed to be protected. and so at the initiative of the latest of nato countries on russia, we began planning this operation. we were in the midst of the planning process, planning of forces and rules of engagement. when you're in my dynamic state to happen to get nato abruptly castle virtually in cooperation with us. and this corporation like so many others was left by the wayside of history. published by what's your view on the joining of sweden and finland, the latest nato additions is also to ensure nature's future and how like this

impact the international situation over the summer. they said, well this has the most negative impact. first, the speaking about the regional situation and all of the european and the baltic sea region in terms of ministry. security stability for among the most peaceful in europe is that when a phrase and complex no whole complex, no acute territorial disputes or not everything was for the result of situation well stable from a military standpoint that we know issues administrator relations with the russian federation. when the baltic countries gained independence, i mean when the baltic states would grunted independence by the us is all there was an issue with cleaning grad transit for military purposes, but it was result. there was no more military disputes. yes, we have serious problems in all bilateral relations with these countries. these problems were not military in nature, and they primarily concerned these situations, the russians and russian speaking people in the baltic states. the note citizenship

phenomena is a disgrace to bottom democracy, to the fact that such countries easily accepted into the european union and nato speaks volumes about the hypocrisy of these 2 organizations. in reality, 2 political reasons, prevailed to neutral countries which enjoyed unquestionable authority in europe, sweden and finland admits a felon will always be associated with the helsinki final act film and had always been and at the full front advice, but still create on your pain structures. they, along with sweet and then other than on the line countries played a prominent role, the establishment of military transparency instruments. they served as a bridge between 2 blocks, allowing them to continue to come together to solve common problems. so they've turned away from this, by threes and fading, so rapidly increasing the administrate expenditures, purchasing american weapon rate, i mean time machinery is in motion, does all of this? so if you are paying interest for simply the interest of peace and security in this region, set the north,

but it serves american interests. and that's what matters most. but let's say it's sweden and finland. they submitted our application on monday. they basically signed the agreement the very next day on tuesday. ukraine, on the other hand, has been waiting for almost 2 years and we still don't know to be accepted, it will be time bhutto. so i'd like to ask you relating to that. i mean, we know that a native delegation visited ukraine on the 21st of march, and was actually the 1st visit since the beginning of the conflict back in 2022. what does this long absence mean in your opinion? does nato still believe in the viability of the key of government? the ukraine is an instruments and they started to put it bluntly and straightforwardly. they took countries of waging a hybrid war against russia. a hybrid war consists of many elements. it includes, 1st and foremost, informational and ideological aspects. demonizing russia and attributing old souls

of malicious plans to the latest spin has been that if the west suffers any setbacks in the crate and brush it will definitely evade part of it and the baltic states. and then there's all the hysteria about the swanky gap claiming restroom. valley roost will close it off to get a connection to come in and grad invite the baltic states. and this will be the end of may 2nd, because nathan must always have the all behind it any situation and dictate it's times everyone. that's number one. number 2 is what's happening and the economic spare. $15000.00 sanctions of the same is happening in all other areas. political and military. ukraine is just a favorable where the proxy wars unfolding directly on the battlefield. it didn't start today. i remembered vividly the time when the might on was just beginning of that time nato countries might end the statements that you had a copy of it should never use for it to the own force. it should remain in the barracks as soon as the victorious government takes pound key have they wasn't onto a native language ton 190 degrees. they started talking about how each country has

the right to use this on forces to defend against separatists. however, the what separatists pursue dropped from their rhetoric, because that would mean nato acknowledge that the conflict in the crate was internal. they needed to position the conflict as you craze. war gains, russia with raw shipping label and aggressive country. unfortunately, that's what data is military policy and you create, looked like. so ukraine was deliberately tied into an empty rush at projects, activity supporting types. it's a long story. it's hard to say just how far they will go into support is clear that no one is planning to accept the crate or whatever remains of it any way. however, the support provided by not only native but also the you countries as a long term horizon. for example, you funds allocated for ukraine support, including the purchasing weapons and forming coalition to supply altered rate. i mean, nation shelves, mon protected vehicles. and so i won't have a plan to rise until 2027. the civil plans exist within native frameworks. we seeking ways to continue training. we ukraine, all forces personnel,

they will continue contributions, again, target designation, recognizance communications, and so on. and that's reality. but we know that they are already huge numbers of most of reason. ukraine is one of us volunteers and offices, and whether all of them will be gradually and systematically eliminated. as our forces advanced and striking crating territory and brushes special military operation effort. it is, you just close this question about how fall will go in supporting ukraine. we know that kia fritz pod is increasingly looking to drive nature deeper and deeper into this conflict. i mean, only recently we had the crating and for i'm going to stop pulling on nato to return to the practice of conducting training exercises in ukraine on deploying the pub basis. so i just wanted to know, in your opinion, do you think that nato will feed his clothes? and if so, what reaction can we expect from russia? the both of those are both those bases well, but there was already a,

a mandatory based with nature troop trains. and that's a vessel. they say, it's a completely legitimate target. yes. some of these search and see looking a bit broad uh, now beyond ukraine's food is, i mean we currently witnessing increase need to activity in the south polk. so what's the main goal of the alliance in this region? and does watch so already have an understanding of what specific methods the lights will try to use to achieve this goal? for any minute suddenly, absolutely, there is understanding, look at nature strategically, documents which the dates are defined brush as it directs an immediate threat to the lines they've decided. russia is a direct and immediate threat to the lights. this idea was born in their minds. secondly, by some military construction and no nato activities, wherever they have a agent containing rush out. and this type of central asia and the south coast is

also regions where russia needs to be contained. pressure can be contained primarily through the destruction of historical ties between russia and all places . bottom is this containment is not any about ne site. i'm talking about the us, the are paid unit. another act is involved in this. they can tell you, brush it by preventing the strengthening of the, your ration economic, your audience, providing the strengthening of the collective security treaty organization. and preventing the strengthening of the shanghai cooperation organization arrive a is about preventing your asian ism, they don't want the ration region to be shaped as a region of peace, security and harmonies. and this is a nightmare for our apartments in the west. this is the trends that will likely prevail in the coming years. not because of our desire, but because the world is becoming multi problems and economic drivers as one of the drivers of political influence. shifting as of today towards agent. typically the, your agent region went trying to rush and into your presence. the overarching task is to find a new fed balance of relations that would allow firstly to maintain peace and

security and stability of as well. and to solve problems through political mates. certainly it would create conditions for traits, ignore the interaction and prosperity for all the people sharing this voss ration regents. therefore, the global task lies precisely and preventing the formation of this. you ration unity to drive wages between russia and china to drive wages between russia and india as a drive, which is, of course, between russia and is putting this in the south coast is major. we've also seen, you said that they see peace of some kind of nightmare, but how can not be, as they say over know, for ca, nato is the defense of alliance. so how does that fits in with these planes of being of a purely defensive nature sorta? unfortunately, the history of nato is the history of a port in a china shop to put it mildly because the things they have done in 1999 the bomb to states in the center of europe. it's been attacked by international terrace. they bumped it for $78.00 days. they caused the tragedy in the rock and the tragedy in

libya. the almost destroyed series and many of us like afghanistan, that's the history. so i don't know what they mean when they say it has to be successful. the 1st phase of the alliance as a source of confrontation, hostem division they tow, as it is now, does not serve the goal of coming to europe in security for even the interest sivitz, our members, the deal, lowest points of view as the the,

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the, this also is that this off of the 1st time since 2022, the russian defense. and this being the 1st council on moscow was the positive intention to include the bikes. the brain will file on file the 2nd time i was on the bottom of that street to istic store concept ultimate reveal. but instead of using a, i lots of logic checked out with one of my under paid workers in india. reconsider operating on it because of the deadly is really it's back on the 8 what . however, the us remains instead, faucet, it's simple. the is about the spikes, the american being among the board swan i presidents to.