the family of a politician who will never allow a slovak soldier to go fight in ukraine. therefore, i think that we did not scare people, but on the contrary, obviously, there are many opinions. but i will say bluntly, as i've said more than once, i would rather listen to the words of the pope. then in this case, the french president emanuel mack wrong. i do know him, but we are at odds. the new development. i mean, the e u has its own problems as resolved and its misguided priorities on ukraine driving everything from inflation to a farming revolt against dumping back by the establishment to support key of specifically it's now starting to stare down the barrel of june e u parliamentary election with pulse predicting far right. gains the conduct could we can be establishment agenda in favor of the populace positions. they routinely denounce if show it is necessary to specifically tell congress that if congress

does not help ukraine, ukraine will lose the war so. so in the greater scheme of things, this election is one more dark on the board for the pro peace crowd in europe at the time when europe and leaders sounds like a used car salesman looking to convince their citizens to let them take on the burden of backing you pray with tax, there's money, as congress and washington drives that speed on. don't think it any more. tax payer cash into its own military industrial complex for your trade obviously. so, i mean, that's a totally winning strategy so far. just ask lensky himself. cool. right. that's gonna do for me for now, but do say with us my colleague nick aaron is next in next in just about less than 40 minutes. now with more of the day stuff. new stories by the

the hello and welcome to cross stock bullhorn sign peter lebow. here we discussed some real news, the end of an era and the start of another is there no red line is real world cross and will nato invite ukraine and to be lines this upcoming july, or will they just budget? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest season podcast, where the god will, which be found down youtube and locals. and in merrill cash we crossed to martin j . he's an award winning journalist and commentator. right, gentleman cross type rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it or this kick this off with george in budapest. i suppose it's kind of a moot point or just rhetorical. now, is there no red line? israel roll cross because we had the bite and ministration come out,

feigning for over the killing of the well, the western aid workers rest and the word western. but on the same day shipments continued here. i mean, this has been the game of chicken and george men. yeah. who's one as well. i'm afraid you're absolutely right. pizza. i think that there's any other has one. this has been going on since october, where washington same as the outrage over some latest um is really atrocity. the latest the statistics about the civilian casualties and then nothing changes. so this past week we have the 78, what goes well west and i mean these are, these were west and aid workers where they could, what one of them was a us citizen, the 3 british citizen. and we had the attack on the e rate in the embassy compound in damascus. so these are both cars,

fairly outrages, actions, and i see reading very much have a 0 the same congressmen. uh, issue the policy is just a normal aid for um, lives in the area. or are you serious about that? well, no more. 8 until mid any, i will give them a serious accounting as to what he's doing. it will go write letters and then in the meantime in the u. k, you but david cameron said he was, is really a very bad thing if you got 3 british citizens did. and, and the goal you can do is just simply top top and well, wave your finger in the meantime. your bar is young's us as we were lots of lift, anything stand in the way of mall, of deliveries, where as well. so going back to your point. yeah this, this can go on for a long time. let me, i'm just going to continue winning. well martin, the way i read it now in retrospect, this is just a very, very cynical game. i mean, if we do,

we go back from october to the present everything george, the catalog did well, it is a, you know, this is escalation of outrage. and there is no limit to that. this is what has been proven. there is no limit. and we, we know that the, the defense ministry and israel's angling for a possible conflict with that has been a lot of course around, is always on their radar here. and the administration does seems amazingly discussing lee pathetically impact. did you have anthony? a link and the secretary of state. i mean i, i'm much, i'm embarrassed when i see him now. he looks like an undertaker. he's always looking down. he's lying through his teeth. all the other administration spokespeople are no different except for the excel in the, in expressing a smirk when their challenge. i mean, i've never seen this kind of book in my life and considering the united states as wants to be a dominate predominant around the world, constantly rules based order. but who comes to this one issue there?

impotent, mark. what installed. i'm tie, i agree. i agree, i didn't, i didn't even know how to start this program to george blue. the made all the points i want to debate. um, but i'd, i'd have to take to task both through this idea that this and you know, it was one i think i think it's 2 of the say because quite rightly george mentions the tensions between his beloved and i'm on israel. we saw now really at a level that we could've imagined just a few weeks ago. but in addition to that, the bombing of the, the, is where the bombing of the reading concepts in damascus. that's going over line as the situation. now the bottom will have is we hope you will have the flies around him, and senior officials and depends are going to advise him. that if the radians go ahead with what they threaten to do, which is to strike israel. then why said these really they are the americans would, would be, would be very wise, not going to go to take a step back and say we notify one missile because if you do flour me. so if you

launch one of 35, well one of 68 of those aircraft carriers, then you have a world war scenario and is by to going to go into his election role with a, what was a run, a world the know us president has ever wanted thumbs, it's not just somebody knowing they've all avoided like the plague and you know, we're all now in a situation. no, we are talking about a will on the right. there's no the been martin. this bit, cynicism is endless here because for example, is really media and government officials are not claiming they will for rightly or wrongly, wrongly is a they, they, the ran may strike is real in response, which is exactly what, nothing, you know, who wants to get to that will force the americans in, i mean, this level of citizens keep going. you have the account come in the system possible as an impossible scenario. you know, and bite in would be completely off. is truly even to this. i'm sorry martin, but we watched israel with el cheapo hospital. this absolutely decimated,

turn it into ashes and the world watch hospital. we're not talking about a military to be of george. i'm with the cynicism is so thick it's. it's hard to see through it. um i would contend, but the, the sabre rattling with has bull. uh, the attack on the uh, uh, uranium consulate and damascus. it's, it's a diversion because they want to continue resolving or in pursuing their genocidal policies in god. so that's the point. well, i think it may be a diverse or, but it's much more likely a way of showing up iran. i mean, i think what is what it is trying to do is push this to, to show the web page. here on is a paper tiger because he run really does some of the getting involved of the well with this rope. so he doesn't want to get involved in a war in the united 11 on certainly doesn't want to either the liberal doesn't want to as so therefore this essentially, you know, then what is or it was done,

this started down the gold pets around and said, okay, what are you going to do about it? we just hit your, um, uh, an embassy compound. what are you going to do now? is they get around this thing, we will do this. we will do that and it will do the outlet. but it's quite like, even though they're to do very much i, we've seen in the past whether it, israel has conducted assassinations, whether it is assassinated, that sciences here are basically said back and watch. because again, you're right. it doesn't really get involved in the war with is, or if it goes, it goes, that's a, that's a reckless thing. you know, that it brings in the united states. and even when the united states that essentially the general saw them on a, we're going to a national here of essentially, iran was allowed to perform essentially a pro forma strike. just just to say face that, americans that all right, we'll give you a one shot pitch of barracks. no one gets a loud. you can feel good about yourself that you your allow the police to have it . well. well georgia managed right here. it logic isn't publicly impeccable as

usual, but martin and i certainly don't think it ran is going to have a direct uh, have a direct uh i'm directly target israel, though it has proxies galore and i think that's what we have seen is it ran presumably reportedly is it told it's proxies or throughout the region to hold back? they have no, there's no reason for them to hold back. and that's the, that's the, the, the fear of the united states because you're going to be getting picked up ever all over the place. you know, where, where do you focus your attention? that is one, it's not as dramatic. george, you, right. is it in a council? it, um, but the impact may be just as meaningful. martin? i think you're absolutely right. that will be more pressure on the proxies. it'll be more, more leeway, more flexibility, i think for, for hezbollah to even increase the intensity. and i said on your show a few weeks ago that i'd say no, be some touch with strikes in the future. students done by the so think that we're

waiting for the day where hezbollah strikes in his writing imagery, organization, an institution, and kills a member of the idea of soldiers that steps on the cause i'm signal todd while i'm but in the last few days, the last few weeks, we've seen reports now of, of both sides talking now of a real, real slow more a not for these riley's but suddenly for the, for as blow up will mean a land innovation of northern strip of as well. and i think that's a reality which is now edging closer and closer and closer. and you're quite right to talk about these, these on the threshold. so we've reached, you know, and how they don't show people and how people are becoming more and more fatigue. so, you know, we, we, we need to be more emotional to even succeed, to get our attention form from media every day. i was surprised that some the a well, cuz the 7th day what? because 3 of them, brits go the attention of the dates when you put it into contrast with the thousands of thousands of palestinian babies. you know,

the killed every day and the most grotesque way. you know, in a way that all generation and only compared to low cost, you know, those images, you know, they, they don't grainy anymore the graphic, the razor shop, you know, in h d. but i, so i think that these thresholds now being reached and international law as becoming really a foss move in everett, it could be an international law, was something that was really significant for american leaders, but not understood by that great to public obama pulled out soldiers from iraq, because of international. he also didn't invite syria an independent big way because of international role he signed. didn't special roy's advices, told him by international, but i think international lawyers very much all about who is in well, i would think it's quite selective. i mean, he did the select visual, like they got the destruction of libya. okay. and the previous administrations greenlighted the district and encouraged to guantanamo site, which is which, which,

which, which one is which, which is yours, actually, georgia. i mean, it is been net, i already mentioned the game of checking here. um he wants to get rid of bite. and disney he does. um, and uh yeah, he is. that's the, the, that's in the project that could actually come to fruition by delays. very unpopular, is that a really a pretty tough um re election 5 at least as no one in the body. like, oh and loves joe biden. okay, so they don't, and he has a good show that you know, if, if trump is in trump, will be much more favorably inclined towards him then by who has been. i mean, it's not a done deal, but there's, there's a reasonable expectation. you were asked to accept the reality that israel is a very serious country history. it is ready to do what it needs to do to pump out people, whatever goals i was a did, nothing is going to solve that. i mean, i, that's, it is like way that, you know,

america is not going to stop us international laws. all that stuff like united nations mobile discovery. we go, we will do whatever we need to do. and that's really pushing that from what you've been with israel is, are there all the restraints? i mean they, they think was the only important thing is that we feel like we prevail overall. you know, interestingly enough, because fine, it's, interestingly enough, yours is the, there's a very perverse logic to this because israel will do whatever it wants. it's demonstrated that, but ultimately the blame will fall on the united states in, under the current administration. because that's how the world is going to look at it. and rightfully so, in many ways it's, it's, it's a burden shifting as it were, or a gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our team the same just don't have to shape

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but they're gonna have to be de la party of nato is a adverse the 75th. and we have the secretary of state lincoln, which i referred to on this program as the undertaker of international law. and he was standing right next to the cranium for administer and made it very clear. ukraine will be part of nato that we heard this. well, you know, under the george the bush administration, they're still saying it though, a lot of things have happened since they don't want to induct ukraine in, in july, or they just going to fudge it one way or the george and i have very strong feelings about this you go for as much. i'm from a journalist point of view. i think it's going to be a massive media search, but i think it's gonna be a little secondary. so they've already prepared, you know, and um, i think we're gonna, we should, we should be prepared for that. yeah, i mean, it's interesting. i went with the conversation, what they owe you, great information. they did this, but in the they they had did that they've been discussing and how to do this. i suppose it's how to budget. that's what they've been discussing. martin. yeah,

i know. yeah. i think the ukrainians have been doing very good job of fake news for all for a long time under the leadership of the american friends and the key f u o is wherever they go in the world, the americans always build this, this sense. so for this information, i've actually experienced a lot myself my own career. so we wish we should expect a lot of fake news, but you know, what we should never forget is that the west is losing. and when you lose and it will, you lose ground, you lose tell a treeless villages and towns almost on a daily basis. and you become more, more desperate to be, you know, recently in the last we are seeing video footage of 19 or 20 year olds pull in of boston, ukrainian uniform. looking as though they're being driven to that this, i mean the look of just misery on the faces. nobody's called me called scripts because they, we just, they just changed the law and ukraine. they've reduced the color script age from 27 to 25, which the west hills grades in the step, a real progress since the grams certainly thought him thanks to a man,

it doesn't have any children. and money doesn't mean children. and that was really, you know, half a bucket of water between is, is, i mean, is a complete idiot. so, so total idiots, you know, and the, some of those things it comes out with a just astonishing but you know, i think to ask you a question because a lot of fake news going to see a lot of, um you know, you for you about how well, nice it was done and how is keeping the peace? and now we're looking around the world for new members, you know, in south america and in asia. but, you know, but there is an underlying message here, which is that, you know, i don't think it'd be, it reflect very bad on job items. well, we remember to abide and full in years to come ukraine and goza in there on the for risk images coming from them. because when, when the biden goes, pulse to sell by date and he stops, you know, getting these days of the week confused, and the cities in america confused. and connie who woke up the stage. so most happening right now when we get to the end, when are you gonna we, we, we reached november, december, you know, i, i think come many americans will just think the nato on,

on the west roll around the world. and it's different structure is a bit fake, it's a bit disingenuous because, well, they think they build, the good thing for joe biden is a, he just probably won't remember it, but we'll have to do it ourselves. you know, george, i mean that there's, there's a lot of, um, uh, finessing you can do, you know, you, we've talked about this many, many times and enforcing upon rush of pros in conflict with that's problematic in many ways. if you have this a bit to create a new category for, you know, a membership and just about, or, you know, all kinds of things like that. i think it will be verbal. i think it'll be rhetorical, but they're not keeping up on this project. i think, you know, we have to make clear to our viewers, the west isn't giving up on this project yet, george. so i, i agree with you, but i think you sound it up very well that they may come up with some formula along those lines, which is a frozen config. maybe it kind of a to, to

a member shape. yeah, yeah. you're in but it's not, you know, the quite have the status of everybody else. um, you know, maybe they'll think of them. well maybe we can create a demilitarize of the. the point is that this certainly does not in stream of science. so it's, it's, it's coming up a, a shortly. um, and what later was this made clear? because nato is going to, in may to make that decision with the goal and all this, this, we cannot afford to lose. there's no way we can lose because if we lose it, then nato is done. the post cold war world is done. and in fact, the results of the cold will come. it's cool because into questions of who really wants that. so they kind of do it, and that's why i think live in the native. i also, particularly, and out of the french who are doing the, the, the, the most vehement a shilling for late. so that's why they are they making clear up. we're gonna move our forces and they don't mean we can like be engaged in combat. they mean that

we're actually going to be here and making clear so russia that thus far and low for the you don't get to go any further east then where you are. maybe a little. yeah. but it might be laid out by the state that that's a yeah, i know, i know. but the just saying that's the mentality. that's a pretty, that's really dicey because martin it's, there's also there's been discussion coming up to the drill of july summit. is that the integrating, integrating more of the grains military into nato structures, which you can no longer say. i mean, we, it's been a far as for 2 years. but, you know, we're not part of the conflict. well, if you start integrating the military structures and you are part of the complex, and of course russia would, would not discriminate. i mean, they would, they would see the uniforms, they would see offensive material, and they were destroyed. there's mach crowns living in a fantasy world, but i repeat myself,

every program martin. i think he is living and essentially well, but i also thing. i don't believe that he will already send the troops. i think i don't either. you know, i think i think he just bangs on his drum because it gives a major attention. they put them into this at the center. it gives him this, the, the, the, the idea that you can play this role temporarily just for the day of being the elected president of the european union, which is what he is going to say. you know, and whenever he makes issue statements, i always think gives us live on the land and brussels and thing, a portal. but you know, she didn't get her media spots today. she was out for a ranked by somebody who actually does get the media coverage. but there's only so long, so many so full, you can carry on with that. with that silly idea of presenting us with french troops in, you could, i mean, it's a joke, french troops, you know, can anyone remember the last? i'm furniture it was actually, what are you seeing on a battlefield? i mean come all the purchase is, is also i think of i don't see pitching with hesitate. i think you should have them on the 1st day because he knows all you need is a few buddy,

buddy bus going back to paris. and the whole thing is over game over, you know, with this, this is the thing about the, the people will not understand about ne, so when we do these celebrations, which by the way, already started, which is weird. yeah. yeah. well, i say facing, you know, george, what it was the, the last few days was the official birthday, right? it was initial that the, they all the actual signing of the brussels treated of so that when that was the, that was the but they, but this is going to be the, with the above. they bought it. but i think it's a government to micro aisles. thing is a, into this age, the forces being in combat. and now the question is an easy way to the bottom of this about pretend wouldn't hesitate to shoot to them. and that i don't know. but i think the french one to work something out with the russian. so if you don't shoot as well, so yeah, we're going to be behind the lines. we're going to be doing logistics, administration, training, whatever. but though, sure to the, i mean this conversation that took place

a few days ago between the russian defense of us and the french defense. what is that, what were they talking about? the french, they all were too much areas of really why, why, why so they thought too much. there is a bicycle and say she wanted to get some kind of guarantees from showing go that when we deploy forces, you don't shoot at us. i know, i know they show who gave them a guarantee, but i think that that's well the so the, the reason why all the sudden they have to have this conversation. yeah. but i mean, it, it, it was, there's a lot of wrinkles there, martin, because, i mean, if you're, you just mentioned these con, scripts to be in a bus being driven to the meat grinder. and so if i were one of those guys gonna say, but the french get to stay in the cafe is in the cuban word. yeah. oh, cool. what? well, what, what about us? i mean, i don't think it's a good look. okay. oh, but let's see with the ukraine 1st and foremost we just do the, the, the fodder in the, in the french guys can have got but, you know, and, and a n a,

a cafe. go ahead. we just need, we need to get real, you know, both sides denied the still was even took place, which i think is going there. is that shows that neither one really has much confidence in putting off any kind of data, whether it's even informal, entered by channel tools, etc. um, what was the last on metro initially go to do with pitching? was the last time they're both set down to that huge tables and agree something never, you know, so i don't think michael is going to do anything about getting a deal which uh, you know, managers to give uh, an exemption on the bustle field. his front soldiers leading up stuffs preposterous . i couldn't imagine. not ever happening. you know, i believe, i think a lot of this, when we talked about the nature of the say, going back to the point, you know, i think come what we, uh, what the humble american in the blue color wilka in the shopping mountain ohio is gonna sell a general is when honest about all this because they don't really understand much than we expected to understand really anything of the, the bigger picture is the night. so is this organization that we pump in is of

those into, you know, we spend so much money on, we own it. so his teeth, but we don't have the latest, but have the courage to even put one. well, i think also there's no real strategic vision. that's the problem. you, george, if you know way it'd be with the july summit coming up and you were ask your task, do you know, to make a cheer leading brochure for the of for the, for them, for the party. what would it say? he was just a good question. i said to the cheer leading brochure of if you come up with the usual bundle software that the nature has been coming up. what they do is a huge, massive romeo propaganda is also known as the mainstream media building. that what, what, what a fantastic job of it's doing of and yeah, i live, i mean that they in the gulf, obviously they've got a good, we're actually themselves, all those job done. but i mean, when you, to the web, the strategic ration there really is no strategic vision, all of them. well,

let's go on, continue to bleed russia. yeah, that's all that is the question that that should be on. what, how does that benefit us? how does that benefit, anyone in your, how does it benefit anyone in the united? what, what do you gain by bleeding? russia? that's my god house it. so it just has been to say, well, we'll continue as before and whatever, whatever else we must prevent. donald trump, who coming to a panel because trump might bring this a, put in the spigot to an end. and this, this is who kind of the up. so that if there is no strategic the vision here, all of them. well, let's keep this going because as long as with this blue trouble keeps going, then we can go on expanding and go on acquiring more and more funds. yeah, day of the being humiliated and ukraine shouldn't stop the alliance is march forward. okay, because that has some kind of a world historic value or a gentleman that's all the time we have what a thing my guess and medication in budapest. and of course i want to thank our

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