before the from us movements response is submitted will cost to master change positions that delusional. the blood of my children is not more valuable than the blood of the children. the pals seen, and people all the monitors of palestine are my children. well, in israel itself, citizens appeared to be growing increasingly discontented with the war which is now going to its 7th month protesters helping taking their anger to the streets on one former vice prime minister is not calling and that was responsible for the country security on october 7th, to spend time, i believe, and hope that i live his resignation will spark a chain reaction in the entire senior command of the idea of which is responsible for the failure will stand up and resign. following the example said by the chief of stuff, more than that, even the senior officials in the political echelon and at their head, the prime minister, will understand that the time has come to resign or to hold elections as soon as possible. the big air entail mikaela seeing

a variety but see the some concerns as to how is the role. so there are more contradictions between the, between the different functions of the gym and different sections of a lead. but nobody is a football game cuz a lot of down into the aggressive policy or from them. yeah. a like the finance today say that because the new orleans was supposed to be for jose. eh, you say no. all say i said in october they have to go, but they don't the say suggest to and 0, the only plans, it's a good range. the more successful in raising it, them. yeah. so actually it is only start getting your box position. so they seem to set our dresses machine, wasn't talking about responsibilities on the lips, sell these, they say we have this policy man, so they say area, they can say the house on. but they continue the same policy as they continue to go

from most likely to most of can from the disaster to disaster. now are genuine peace talks. finally, in the all thing in the ukraine conflict, the new music appears to have changed somewhat at the top of nature with the language a little less comes out of them before. but will that translate to the books ations cross talk to bates at the the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter level. sometimes words do matter. nato secretary general stilton berg says ukraine may

have to compromise with russia. what that compromise might be is left on answer. nonetheless, it is an acknowledgment nato's proxy war and russia. it is ending in failure, the cross sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, pasco, look house in kyoto. he's an associate professor at the auto university. in montreal, we have matthew aaron, he is a senior fellow at the american university of moscow and director of the rising tide foundation of canada. and here in moscow we have pierre and menu, well told month to use electorate. leon university, our gentleman comstock rolls in effect, that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciated. pasco, let me go to you and kill to it, because you are staying up late. i usually say you got up early, you're staying up late to do this program. you know stilton bird is a very interesting creature to observe. he's obviously just a mouth piece for the alliance,

probably on speed dial to washington. but he does come out with these things that do, we should pay attention to that there that ukraine is going to have to make some compromises . this is a is, this is a way, an offer ramp for nato as it approaches its 75th anniversary with not much to be proud of pascal as well. i would hope that natal fine and he understands that an offer on these needed now that it has seemed basically all of this equipment destroyed by russia in ukraine on the ukrainians. little by little losing the ability to fight the support because they're running out of man, right? with out external intervention in the form of boots on the ground, which actually differential the british are now working on. but without that, there is just no realistic scenario anymore. even to drag out the war, i mean, in europe the all the talk is that because as told me, but even that is a law, right. it's not

a stone me. russia is now is no really and the advantage and can push on. so it seems to me that realism seeps through and nato understands that an offer on these needed. and this is the 1st kind of signs may be that they are willing to consider it. well matthew would be the, the, the, the argument that we are hearing now is that, and it's been for, i guess now for the last 6 months, more aid is necessary to give the ukrainians a better advantage at the negotiating table. but matthew, if you think about it, the more money is sent ukraine and material, the less territory they control is what you can get smaller and smaller with more and more money being. so i can't they see this is their causality issue here. matthew, it's difficult to say what they can or cannot see. i have to admit when we're dealing with these types of technic crowds or sol removed from a battlefield or any plane of reality and are so used to being conditioned by game

theory, models and think tanks without any attachment to reality. so when they come up with an assessment it's oh, is a little strange. try to get into their shoes by curious. we but i think you're, you're correct. there has been embarrassing over 2 years, lack of any type of progress and, and just the reverse has happened. the more money is pouring into the, the, the, the culture in the less results has tended to be the outcome and even the i m f. a said has had to make demonstrations that the data cannot be fledged out that much or any more. it's very difficult as much time as normally fudge of data and has demonstrated that unlike the forecast that russia would be destroyed by this time much earlier on. there were supposed to be economically destroyed. the i'm asking you for recent reports has had to admit that they are now the, the bypass of germany as far as the coming to the world's 5th largest economy, the most powerful economy and all of europe. they've not, they've only benefited in many ways by virtue of what has been done, section wise and everything else in the wars. just one aspect of the failure of

planning by these technocrats. so yeah, it's a well, well, it's difficult. i do think that there is like the previous speaker said some bending to reality currently. well, parent manuel here in moscow. what, what, what's, what's, what's really quite curious is that, you know, we have someone like felton berg saying that ukraine may have to compromise. they all people like felton berg, the rest of them. they always forget the other party in the complex russia. maybe russia doesn't want to compromise, said they considered that purity manual. of course not. oh they know they should concede over bunch, isabel narrative and narrow t for, for starting to think about it. compromising is because they know v i go not lose more and more we've time. russia is getting you smoke around and do they try to hide disrupted chic disaster. and this is the time where they from bill potent of you need to us to concede or to, to compromise, to, to stop for

a russians to advance and to try to, to save of the rest of the ukraine. but actually, are russia is not the same interest of russia wants to achieve, is for object teeth, which use to update a new chart is ation of ukraine. but also, but you, your queen regime is not the threat anymore to russia. so it's much mo, under of the more we wait, the move of the result of compromise. we'd be at the higher cost for you queen of the west. well, you know, did the passcode one of the, the, the difficult things. and in trying to understand this complex, if you look at both sides, neither the 2 sides are speaking and very different languages and then have different ways of understanding it and what, how it came about. what i'm getting on here is that the russians always talk about their security, the europeans, and the americans talk about their so called values. that's why we're not getting

anywhere else go yeah, russian has made it pretty clear what these war is about for them on the fact that on social media ending programs like these, these message has been clearly understood. it has been discussed for 2 years. the fact that that also remind wells that we know that this is about neutralizing ukraine as a threats and, and making sure that russia will be safe. it's a very different approach and this must be heard. i mean, but public media in europe into us. this is a completely different thing. it's propaganda. the propaganda is on a different level and it is still on a different level but, but we now see that the people in power actually do understand that what, what they publicly say and what, how they actually interpret russia are not necessarily the same. so this is the best chance that we have that opportunity, you know, the people who are responsible for it,

but the diplomats and also the military people will start talking things into the politicians in, in, in, in europe telling them, look at some point we need to actually discuss with the russians what they want because they are winning or difficult. they want all the winning ukraine is something you know, these to get much worse. we have to buy really. i think house calls the, you know, right in december of 2021 before the start of the conflict in the february after the russians told the world, telegraph the whole world what they wanted. that's exactly what they want today. nothing has really changed. they want security, okay, they don't want, they want a neutral ukraine and they don't want a nato moving eastward. those are distance still the same things. let me move over to uh, to matthew here. the uh, the undertaker of the west pony blinking. um, was that a 2 not uh, 2 new cycles ago was standing next to the training for ministers. i ukraine will be

part of nathan, we haven't gotten much progress here. have we, matthew? you know? yeah. all, all you, all that needs to happen is russian needs to be defeated and then you pray is going to become part of nato. that's, that's easy because obviously the 2nd, then you create this part of nato. that's world war 3 because there's a lot of, obviously, a powerful interest itching to invoke the article 5 collective security packed. so that's not something that, that will happen directly unless you really do one and all out of their own nuclear war, which i don't think that there is that in seen. so i don't think that there's a lot behind those. the mad matthew you're, i mean, i'm sorry, the rapids, you're absolutely right that the in lieu of saying something else, they don't have in lieu of something else or just say, and of course, you know that there's no time table. there no condition you just will be you, you will eventually will be. i mean if i with ukrainian sauce, i would say we need to negotiate the end of this thing here because you can't trust these western partners. i'm sorry, matthew, keep going. yeah,

absolutely. but then you, you have like, uh, what's the name of alexandra up of leo public? who is the, the, the lend forces matter saying that all citizens must be prepared to buy and thus implicitly die under throwing up people. paraplegics, people who are mentally described a you got a lot of a lot of people just being thrown is ken fighter right now, and they're doubling down and ukraine on the fact that they're the gospel from 2 years ago was somehow still applicable. and it's certainly not the reality is completely completely showing a different picture and they're not able to conform to it. so i don't know with, with blinking why he chose to say that it's just that they're incapable of shifting away property from their narrative. that's right. there's only one dear, these people have only one year up here in menu. well, what, what is interesting with, with the french proposal, i'm not really sure what my problem really means. a french soldier is nato soldiers . is that a blog?

is a bless and i think in narrative mistake as well because or october already we have to understand the context. where are you open elections in europe? empowerment and are very well positioned pots you'd i could look and paul t is fall here. read it ahead of the box, you of a menu item i cool. and the popularly menu item. i can choose full feel not teeth to, to, to push the fox about to be on the side of the plane of freedom of democracy against ab to russia. and to accuse the loop in part to you to be a promo to offer russian the objectives, son, and to be put you to agents. this is totally ridiculous and envy you come pay your con, note is a french paper, doesn't suck this narrative very. they, they want to vote more, more for nation are from so reset, thoughts are not you've said all on the same time also. and when you had

a mock hole, want you to make friends relieved or of you entered by supporting your queen and gets rush out to, to take advantage of in an opportunistic way of the situation. and do to be able to lead or in competition with germany. because the price was always in competition, germany to lead to your project. and it could notice that nobody in you want this to be told anything and to be led by you are a money order my call on especially to put troops on the ground against russia. which will go to, to with front our wall and continue, but many expired. so many to or even know it's not possible. it will be a disaster. so it does been a mistake in 10, some narrative on also jump on. all right, hold on to that thought the wrong of it. we have to go to a hard break gentleman, and after that hard break,

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how friends people feel about it. this isn't a lead ward. they, they expected rush, it would collapse instantly. you know, the sanctions would, with the ruble would become rubble and all of these types they, but the only thing they seem to have in common right now is that they don't know how to win because they've lost. so their alternative is just to keep it going. that's what they're doing, just keep it going. pasco, i mean, you're, you're set that there is no timeline, but there actually isn't, that's november of this year, because that's the big election in the united states. and it is to me relatively clear that all that the democrats and to you as a trying to do is to keep it going until beyond the election. when either shall bide any saved in the saddle for another 4 years. and you can like, you know, kinetic paper out. um, whatever it is, or donald trump wins and you can pin it on him. so really like for the, for the americans at this point is to have to have it going for another house a year without ukraine collapsing for reputational purposes for the europeans. it's

a completely different game, the or beans, as, as he said they, they, they hung themselves in their own words. and that's why we see my call trying to one up the game and even maybe go further then what, what nature would be would be willing to, to do one on their own. but this is such a risky gamble. they know that would be because they could buy this in world war 3, but also if it, it, it, backfires you know, uses the credibility in, in europe. so your opinions at the bottom and go from a bad place to the worst, play it out of their own miscalculations and so well put, matthew, you know, the, the, the, the adage in politics never let a crisis go to waste. i think that's exactly what your opinion leaders are thinking that would be sleep. but brussels is that this is a catastrophe. so let's take advantage of it. let's, let's pursue greater federal ization. let's allow brussels to start directly taxing the end individual citizens of the you not nation states,

but brussels gets the do it. i mean, this is one of the reasons why i think there's a big competition in europe who is going to be harder on the russians. because this is an opportunity to transform europe in a way that voters will not have no say in whatsoever. matthew, will the, the, the destruction of any type of legitimate democracy in europe has been a, a long time coming in has been part partly the manifestation of the sorts of ideas we had originally seen where the century going merge out of the mind of people. i couldn't hold the colored z with his a pen, europa of fascist movement that had a variety of, of hyper fascist, like you almost shocked me. circles around, but benito, mussolini, many, many of the most hard core you genesis with global as we're all circulating around, couldn't whole declared these idea of creating a united states of europe. which ended up. but you've adopting the outline that, that he himself, designed with beethoven's 9th symphony b hoping would not be happy with that as the anthem. and ever since world war 2

ended, there has been an immediate effort to try to re purpose and, and put back into play. the churchill was a big follower of, you know, leo, emory's kid, julian, and many others were all a advocates, including the head of the british, a fascist party himself. oswald moseley, would it be promoter of this thing? and this became increasingly a federal rely structure that would have more power as far as an unelected bureaucracy above those elected components of the nation. and elizabeth trudy was just a more recent example of this thing advanced and forward it in opposition to the actual democratic will of the people of europe who didn't want this. they would be voted, knowing it didn't, it was still forced down the throats of the irish and others. and so i think you're right in this crisis is being used to advance a more gifted tauriel. uh, up or down shift of of this whole new world order again, but yeah, but if you don't fall in line like got hungry or slovakia you will pay the consequences as you are a slave underlay. and so we have the tools. okay,

very famously. yeah, it's fairly menu. well, i mean what, what is the, what does your get out of, of this supporting this war? i mean i, i see no upside whatsoever. you see european a leads you a band doing their own self interest, their sovereign interest, the opportunity for us to, to see from the point of view of for very the you are p and i, you know, want you to a, always to push for a federal integrated europe before the crisis in ukraine. the europe and projects was already in a very bad situation because various investors on this report from the people are economically he doesn't work anymore. but your role is a disaster and the european union as no voice in the world, or will be claimed to be jo, put the car, actually, or between the us, russia,

china, india. they all week or on the week or. and this crises in ukraine. they've been money 2 digits, they'd be no actually visual west approval to buy your buy. you need to announcement of the fuse or for washing to to negotiate. we brush a new or your pan 6 year, which a tricky arrangement. as the e u. member states. they photo the yours oct. 20 the, the government's wide fable, brittany wood and the integration. like you're the french of adjustments, they use it and you know, fall to new cheese or pull through this way to save the european project to, to find a new enemy, russia to push for more european integration. orval people are less, less in favor of you. so actually this, you, this is a sign of vast saudi zation over you to nato on the same time. it's because internally v r a week or on mo, mo,

divided between member state dots are reality tv. it tried to hide, you rush, i'd be kids escaped, go to of a youth and you and your problems. yes. and, and repair and then you. well, it also gives them reasons to put a push censorship in d platforming. people all be all the name of national security, of course here, you know, pets go one of the things that it, we have the 75th anniversary of the official 70 if, if anniversary party of nato in washington, in july. and then, you know, the nato is good at p r. i mean, that's mostly what they do, but they're facing us catastrophic strategic defeat. and that's something they can not contemplate, pasco, i warn you though, you know, a, a base space award that made to didn't win, which is different from the defeats. i would really not want to see an actual real fight between nato troops and russia, which would be weight uglier than what be seen so far. so guess, nato will,

it gets, moves, and nato and the nato countries will try to improve their entire industrial chain. because they didn't know the news strategically, the last, the, the, the production game of, of, of a major war in, in europe. and they will try to improve that over time. but they didn't, they just didn't, we knew crane. i would not want to see them challenge to the point where they would actually go into the field and shifting to a different gear, which would be world war 3. well, i mean, i guess there's one or 2 ways you can go, there's a path a is, is, is pascal side, you know, okay, lick, you won't, you didn't when you crane. okay. but that's not the lesson learned. tier one downside of this is that now nato and certainly has an enemy, remember all before this, you know, rushes an adversary. we haven't, we're not threatening russia. this is not about nato expansion all their nonsense, but now they can say, well, we got a real adversary here,

which really interesting. matthew is the only 37 percent of the members of nato. actually spend 2 percent of their g, d, p on defense. so, i mean, if russia is such a huge threat to the european con in why on are the all the countries are spending 110 percent? go ahead, matthew. know that that's a fund data point that i was just reading how the us investors in a to his chest dicing the, the other non paying members as, as you're correct. if this really was a threats. if there were this was a serious, a high priority. you would imagine that a much more than the 2 percent minimum would be spent. we see rushes spend well over 6 percent of their g d p on dealing with what they value as a very high priority to deal with the nazis, me encroaching needle in circuit of their country. that's what you do when you're, when you have a real threat, you spend the appropriate money. and as it turns out, they've wise, we'd be able to solidify a vast amount of positive relationships with your res road that is provided to

a greater pope for real integration of your asia and stabilization, based on progress of real durable friendships and trust that anything we've ever seen before, so that's good, but no, you're right. there's just no actual follow through. so you can see that people are just being strong arms by a sort of force that, that must not be spoken about in polite society in public, to say certain words. but there's not an ability to actually act and walk the walk, which is just part of this whole, you know, detached technocratic scripts which, which wants to impose their opinions of reality onto the world without actually recognizing that the world isn't that way. yeah, and they're just to use the plain god for too long. that's why we have this program . we, you know, we're not, we're not polite society. okay. so right here that you, well, one of the, the, the greatest um hopes of the european union who is 2 things. peace and prosperity. they're neither are in place right now. we're meeting europe. it is a single,

the biggest loser outside of ukraine. of course, in this entire ridiculous scan, but go ahead us. yes, actually the program is your pen union is not a or to them was project from a washington. actually your, the open project. is it the sup uh, strategy of for washington to control the re, milan to, to, to, against russia? because the washington, that's the strategy or for controlling your ratio. we, for your band room runs on the one side on into pacific, on the other side. and europe and union with these crises more on move, that's how used by a natal news less security instead of for any sharp project of a group. and project was peace on their way used as a weapon against russia. and or this is why the, the, the project with a good, we need more and more in a crisis on never less on this reports of,

of people are on the 20, the european union or so is not defending europe a set you up and civilization or you're open balance of power, which will include, of course, of rush because of rush i spots of european civilization and is unable and you raise your to, to, to europe and are actually european union became little more a tour to defend you. a trunk space under. i would say the western dominance of awards, which is not working anymore in front of enlarge and so nurtured, put on words sylvia are losing, in terms of the school system, each or the system of international relations. those of us why we are still afraid of is confident. well, i think we could just say, thankfully, it's the end of the rules base order. all right, gentlemen, that's all the time we have a one that's like my guess intel. so montreal's, and here in moscow, and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our d. c. and next time, remember,

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