the thousands of sky choose monuments settled down at the same time, you know, that sees pulse, but not see collaborators such as step on bundle held as national heroes to sue fluid for i hate law became icons and torch lit marches with green lighted in t. if they never intended to negotiate with the ease lies in the west, new this, they blackface means grievance. were a few lead, real peace efforts is a ruse to buy time to crush the pro russian east. with 5th, the 2014 main street grim and towards an attempt to give you credit in time. it also use this time to become stronger as can be seen today. you credit of 2014, 2015. these not the modem they ukraine. zalinski was just the next step in the

sly, see, to promised an end to violence. if he was elected, he made the great show of it. and i suppose maybe i should walk you in the next 5 years, i will do everything ukrainians so that you do not cry just we have to end this war and we are ready for dialogue move. but i'm sure that the return of all ukrainian prisoners should be the beginning of this dialogue. the next thing to deal with is do we gain territories? although you cannot lose what is already yours? it is being 10 years since kids began. it's so cold, talented, power operation in the east of ukraine to beat everything per russian. also, that language, culture and history, they achieved the opposite. let's see, which i really wanted to be limited to base and somehow the loan and weight of the piece has come to this. is jenny, really, really stupid?

i started ukrainian, which i spoken perfectly. but when they force me to do dell commands from the talking, 8 kind of fruit tells me it's just the next thing they need for the people. that's all. this is a crime. this is terrorism. i've been talking about this from the very beginning. there is such a thing, a state and terrorism, this is state terrorism in its purest form. this is a provocation in order to anger people to turn them against each other in general, all the actions of kias back them. and even now that are all purely political provocations that have nothing to do with common sense. or i guess, do you see any of the people's republic as well as off of maces, randall with his grades have your company and my colleague mike, of course it will be with you at the top of the beautiful team starting the the

hello and welcome to cross cut bullhorn, john peter lavelle. here we just got some real news. i ran, has retaliated, is the us getting ready for a wider war and how many wars is the biting administration planning on fighting? how many can it when to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george, send me way in budapest, he's a pod cast. read the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals, and america, cash. we have martin j e. as an award winning journalist and commentator, gentleman cross doc rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out as usual with george in budapest. well, george, you and i've talked about it so much on this program and on our podcast is, well we, we like everyone else was waiting for you around to react to the april 1st bombing of it's consulate in damascus. well, it is happened. it's about 331 different types of projectiles. israel claims

they've destroyed almost all of them, minor damage, but that's their version of the story and ran says it was an overwhelming success we would have. we wouldn't have expected differently from both parties. what does this all mean? because really what it gets down to is that all the discussion now is not about the genocide, but will or israel react in kind or escalate your thoughts. george, what does the city write them? is that that is now the discussion because, um the united states. so, and this is, i think, as this surprise of all of this, the united states, united king and france, joined israel in, in fighting office, a drone in the midst file attack. that's a very explicit commitment. yes, and that is a, a surprise. no pending made this a commitment. it seems as if the united states, so far as we can believe,

the media posts the united states is now pressing israel, not to retaliate and kind not to be provoked into uh, into launching an attack against the wrong. well, that's a hopeless in depth. i is, that isn't just good to say what, all right, well, enough isn't off with local the today, which is iran that's around this position which is, well, we regard this affair is now over, but is read is going to say no, this is not over a this is just the beginning. so at this stage, i mean is the why the united states and said, well, we don't want lives in the yahoo to do this. and if not, then the yahoo does attack iran. we will not join him. well, that's not really, you know, within the american jurisdiction because it goes, if it is well, it does attack iran, then, you know, all bets are off. i mean, it's like you, you know, united states isn't going to be able to say, well, we, we,

we didn't have anything to do with it because you've already made this commitment. you already helped israel in what was, after all, a retaliatory strike with israel. stop at the whole thing. you're on the retaliated in the united states, britain and france. you know, i joined israel is sliding off this retaliation. well, you are now off is do the conflict exactly. iron clad commitment during and now it's going to a i am glad commitment afterwards. you know, martin is very interesting. if you look at the reaction in western capital's um, uh, there is no condemnation. even at the united nations security council, but israel did in, in the bombing the uranian consul, it in damascus. but now they're coming out in lock step, saying this is out of self defense. but they, it's, it's really quite a whimsical, isn't it? is that it ran, did it beat it? did it's action in self defense against an action taken against that?

the half the story is not reported of the yeah. subject and that some very, very typical. so western media, british made assembly is that we haven't gotten the newest, we haven't got the correct perspective. so john is writing the narrative, which is really what you know, that doing something to please the most of the in tell us that this isn't the government and the state in germany just in the last few days a conference happened supposedly hosted by you on this very focus from great climate pundits. minnesota was canceled by the drum and please just shut it down completely. you know, we've, you will not have debate. you will not talk well martin, it's really interesting. it was pointed out to me that if that conference had occurred, we never would have heard about it. but because it was shut down. we've all heard about. this is the, the, the new uh, getting negative returns keep going. yeah. it's, it's stupid. i mean, the classic way of promoting a book is going to find, you know, and it's the same with media. so now they've got more, you know, and the,

the published in you and i can demick from, from glasgow, couldn't actually fly in and give his speech. he was threatened also with even putting online. so this gives you an idea of just how, how flush as we become, we all know, especially societies. and the very thing that we claim into default in the 2nd level now is devouring was the sun. this is partly, you know, why you have a situation where by and random can do what it did over the weekend and it doesn't get reported that quickly. and it gets important in a certain way, which presumably will promote these way. it is us yourselves to um, take it to the next level. you know, what's interesting, what's really interesting about what happened over the weekend. was it, it was by message. it was very precise and i think it was very small. and the rightness to do exactly that. they sent over 300 tribes. they knew most of those trends to be intercepted. they knew that the minimum of casualties, but you know, it busted little miss a little miss. you know, the main one, the way we haven't said it yet, but that was the 1st time it ran was attacked,

is really right? yeah. even you didn't think that was possible. you gotta use it or the last. so they probably installed the proxies with get involved, but actually i run it so, so that's something for these ladies to really think about, you know, that, okay, next time we decide to hit iranians in syria. we know what to expect or perhaps was perhaps it would be not $300.00 trends, but $600.00. but the point is they wouldn't have been able to defend themselves if it wasn't for the americans, the british, and even the joe daniel. so, you know, and then another mist busted, you know, joe thing hilton's king. abdullah opened up the space for his range at some british already f just into set these trends. so there were long lessons love. and i think if a run wanted to deliver a message very clearly, it really succeeded. i think it was a moral victory for you, right? less for israel because israel isn't going to learn the lessons as well, is going to look at now how it converts on the 8th. and that will be the breaking point of the west. you say the cost on agreement. so the, i think,

i think the binds mind is very clear and he won't go further. if israel goes further, you know, now where would is real hit, you know, not what is good. what is the stop the israelis? what is, what is, what they're getting a green light here. you know, church, it's interesting. we have a some interesting cemetery here. you said in your answer internally barton, you know, the, the main, the headline story is that it ran, attacked israel in response. what, at least on this program response to the attack on, it's embassy, but you had a missiles coming in from iraq 11 on the m, and you've already mentioned how the u, the u. k, and france and others of help israel. we're getting symmetry here. this is something we all have talked about for weeks and weeks now. is that the, the, the axis of resistance is real. go ahead, george. well, it certainly is a real look, but the question is then, where do you take this? how far do you want to take this?

because when you're dealing with israel, when you're dealing with a pallet that isn't restrained by the normal constrains that bind other powers. so when, when does it get that? apparently, i mean, yet again, we're only going by medium because apparently a binding has on, has told me it's in the avo. hey, you want take the wind. don't take it any further. um, well let's say he did say this, um, that doesn't bind this in the yahoo in any way. it's whole. and um, and we know, you know, and there's a long history of this. that is royal has one to 2 embroiled the united states and a war with iran for many, many years. and this has been going on ongoing thing quickly. this prime minister of i is really exactly in the notes in the our, in the policy was always, oh, we're going to hit the wrong, the nuclear facilities. we're going to hit the runs new bip as soon as knowing that

if it wrong retaliates, then somehow the united states gets sucked into the war. well, john says, all that's what's gonna happen now, is there a will hit iran's nuclear facilities of your own will. doubtless, originally it is going to be hot. so the united states, the stay out of this war will be no doubt bite in the blink. i'm sorry, no, no, no, we don't want any escalation. we're not going to get involved. the, you know, and auto body to accomplish. it's going to be quite hot once you've made this initial commitment. going to be hard to say out george martin to the 1st question i wrote down for this program in my notes. and i'll pitch it to martin right now. the good the last program is that i always give the good question to george on give a good one to you know, who's controlling the narrative. martin? yeah. yeah, that's, that is a very good question. um, who isn't the dog wagging the tail, wagging the tail all the time is like an adult. a thing and the next 24 hours or 48 hours, we'll see, we'll see what the biden is able to actually show how i think most of america is an

how much israel needs america and breast and a few other key allies on that side. but i don't agree with george, i don't think these writing these of that stupid. i don't think that we've got that fall to hit nuclear installations inside iran. i think that, well, they've assassinated their scientists. i mean, yeah, they do the lighting survive. do i mean i don't see how there are, i think the, let me finish it. it's only limited now that i'm limited unlimited, go have a minute. let me make my point. i think whether it will fit where they, if they do want to escalate it further and make that point. but i think they'll do is they'll go for it writing and soldiers in syria, which there are many, you know, the last 2 or 3 years, a lot of them, every radian ministry installation has been built, which doesn't report to so much. i'm gonna write a bit of this, just wanted to see what you're writing. i think that will be, it will be strikes and you know, they don't want to make that point that way. now at that point,

when we get to that point, then we have a real tipping point because then london and washington will have to decide, you know, we need some common sense here. you know, is, is by doing really going to still in election campaign with the, with the, with the, with a 3rd war. you know, a opening up. i mean, it just seems not so, you know, we, we never been this far. we know this is new ground, the americas. no american presidents ever really wanted to take on a run in a war. and if, what, edging towards the, you know, this and what seemed suicide full for the button administration. i'm from the west in general. you know, i mean, and the other, all the other thing which i wanted to make point a thought is that there must be people in the minutes in israel, or close to nothing. you know who, which are telling him about the practicalities of having a side front. can we really take on a run when we go gossip this boys in point and we're about to go in to rough. uh, you know, if we, if we took the escalation to them, it to the next level a started looking at around as an enemy that would mean has,

but it was stopped hitting us on, on northern border as wells. and the big fear list have been talking about for months now, is the hezbollah this time as opposed to 2006? this time will go in for land invasion of a northern strip on israel that's. that's part of the defense. that's part of this trusty, which is probably the wisc kept secret in the middle east. yes, i always at the end of the day is that they have their, their high card. it's called the united states. and given the rhetoric coming out of the united states, they have not put themselves into a position where they can not say no to israel. they can say no to a genocide. they won't say no to a war. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some we'll need to stay with r t. the

show. they just don't need to save house because of the application and engagement equals betrayals. when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground the the welcome back to cross the full horns on peter labelle here. we just got some real news. george. let me go to you. one of the 1st things that came out of the bite in ministration, which i think so, but for most people, western audiences they wouldn't pick up on it. but i certainly did a bite and wants to contact his g 7 counter parts. again, this is the post colonial masters, making decisions about them. it's like sikes pico all over again here. i'm sure

they're not aware of it. there. they have no sense of irony about their um, the way the how they see the world. the world sees them in a very specific way. these old, colonial bowers like going to come in and intervene again. it's amazing, george. that's a very good question. um, because the j 7 is a very narrow group of uh, countries. um, i think of, oh, pretty much all of them are all members of nato. think 6 of them with the exception of the japan. japan is essentially kind of a satellite state of the united states that these as far as foreign policy is concerned. and it's in a very interesting binding this. the initial response is, oh, well, we're going to go to the uh, the g 7 is on the, on a allies. and that somehow this helps in any way because of people who you're dealing with the countries that are not allies of the united states. and they are aligned with other countries that are also not allies of the united states. so it's

a very narrow focus. and um, you know, obviously the normal base you had to go is right. we'll have a meeting at the un security council. but that was in the united states as the initial uh, response. and if i click on the, you know, the, the un security council, the other than that, you make the usual condemnations of the iran and suggest that iran was acting as the address. oh, which is what the americans let me say, which are really in a bad buffer saying what originally. so nicholas eva, and no doubt they gonna spout this thing. i think at the un security council meeting. but what is a really interesting here is that by doing this, essentially the united states is escalating things you try. i mean, that's a bit precise. if you go to this narrow group, this narrow a bunch of states that are closely aligned with united, it's always support us foreign policy and never criticize you as long as you are essentially escalate to because you're centrally of say that, hey,

we are all with israel. we are all committed to israel and whatever happens next, we have israel's backs. well, that's an escalation as well. you know, martin, you already brought it up here, but, you know, in an election year, joe biden, who is not doing bit, were very well in the polls. but as i always say to our audience, here's an maybe summer time i'll start looking at some of the holes more seriously . but you know, you have under biden's watch, you have the catastrophic withdrawal from afghanistan. those images from couple are still with us here. we have the, the, the proxy war and ukraine award that never should have happened in the 1st place. and obviously the genocide going on and gaza, there is and stationing troops in tie one, of course it ran into the perennial enemy here and has blow they got in on the act over the weekend as well. so how many wars can bite and um, um give attention to, okay. and as i said in my introduction, how many can a, when, what yeah, how many,

how many can you mess up? you know, because there you go a bit better, you phrased it better than i did. yeah. if you just put, if you just written off the list even before him, you know, going back to the 2nd one. well, i mean they'll just tons of examples where america with this west and button is often britain, you know, just plowed into countries um, just got involved in internal conflict and messed up. i left just a trailer, have a clemency behind them. you know, just more recently, you know, you, you mentioned ukraine a now garza and, and it's i think the american public when they looked at it, i remember buttons administration. but when they look back at it and they reflect on it. and some of the more, no less leading media to these kind of video montage in the last few weeks selections of, of biden's from policy footprint. and you can, you have that classic like chronic, you know, i'm footage of thousands of people running along the, the s trip

a couple apple with that sees one search and i think it was, you know, these images, people, people who start to come understand foreign policies yeah, we have is political work in america, but they can't understand, you know, how constantly there was this repetitive same, went by the military, industrial complex makes a huge amount of money. a politicians seem to be very happy in oral driving around a new cause and buying liptrot's. and yet food at the supermarket is getting more expensive gas front gas pump prices are coming up. you know, more americans are losing the homes. people will start to understand, but for minute tries for them for on policy is just basically does autism for the country? well, i, you know, i have to push back on that a little bit, george, because the, the, the, the, we're all veterans of how this propaganda machine works me of. yeah, well, prices are up because it ran ok because a ran is about a threatening is real. okay, it's a mazda is fault. okay. they,

they never take responsibility for their own actions. it's always, of course, and of course rush is always at fault for whatever you want the climate change may be even. so, um, but, you know, i think really to the point here, george is that with all of the complex that i mentioned and went in what martin had to say here is the united states vulnerable and it is the, is the west, vulnerable because it, there seems to be some kind of tipping point going on here. now, is it, you know, this was there, there's a swarming effect trying to get the media. i mean, you got to feel profit bad for the zelinski crowd because everybody's going to be just about them. because the 1st order of business and congress, you know what it's going to be on monday morning, george support for israel. go ahead, but what was right and let's say that it is easy to say, oh yeah, so go go back to 1945. it's old, you know, us incompetent us foreign policy, but there have been years since 1945 in which the us exuded competence, the us achieved foreign policy goal. i mean, the another boss, complex street, is,

was signed with above by the united states. you know, a boss, network of agreements sign and by the united states. i mean, we'll help set the helsinki process. thinking right now we talked about the, the nixon era. and we talked about these, you know, again, one major agreement officer in all the, and these work foreign policy accomplishments. now something is going wrong in recent decades, wasn't meant to say, hey, the influence of the neo cons. but because what we have now is the united states kind of reacting from one crisis to another, getting itself involved in $1.00 price is offering another without any overarching vision of what it's trying to achieve. because it's somehow, well, you know, we, we, we have to support is the landscape is simple ukraine. we have to have these rails back, but at no point does the united states think, well, what is,

what is the united states go? what does the united states trying to achieve? what, what, what is the, you know, what, how does the united states envisage the world in the next 1015 years? and that's what believes what you had back, you know, 3040 years ago when at least you had a, you know, a president who was thinking in those terms. so i think there's been a drastic decline in us foreign policy leadership. and the both of us as of all of this is by the payment was they get a little hopelessly incompetent is had filled with some illogical platitudes. they never really understood the go back to the 19 ages. and i think now you can listen to these things, you know, we had the, the bite and meeting with the japanese prime minister there in the, with, with the philippines. the problem is that the best that's directed at the china we got the hope is zalinski thing. ongoing, still demanding that the morning will be sent to your grades and now we've got this . so it's a, you know, a past, you know, complex of, of issues and the arts,

this has no idea what to do other than go continue down this path as well as they, it's certainly not to, um, entertain ideas of diplomacy is george rightly pointed out, okay, so the, the great for him, the great struggle as we all 3 were coming up was the cold war and it was managed, okay. it was manage, we avoided more, but more on, i'm very cynical about this. and of course, you know, i've looked at the major headlines before we started here. it is very pro israel. what, what, what else would you expect from western media? but it seems to me, it's more of a cover. i think they've very little coverage and will on the almost none in western media is what's going on in the west bank. it is target for risk. what is going on right there to the, the, the, the, um, the, the destruction of the land and people of guys, it continues unabated. but we're not talking about it. okay? and i think this is all very intentional. it was israel that started the probably

cation by attacking the the consulate in damascus. and that's exactly why i ask you that question. who was controlling the narrative? i think they are. go ahead martin. we're taking the rise of the boat and was that's um, yeah. so exactly, exactly. the settlers in the west bank taking advantage of this window to doing whatever the risk, costly ex. um they think that justified doing this cause it's not getting reported . the other thing is not getting reported about westbank is that it's becoming completely notice that the, these various searches that now just losing control completely, was that correct down. so with that, they do assess the nations and the kidnappings and legal arrests. you know, as part of the scale now, what sort of off the scale, which is also not being reported is the number of iranian um, is which of being pumped into the west bank. so this is something else which is bubbling in the background. you have now, you know, an insurgency in the making. iran is using this in fluids in the region to continue

to use a joint of to ship by roads a lot of legal ops, more homes. so that's another quote that we would expect to stop bubbling up, you know, in the future. but you know, i'm, i think we're, we're, we're, we're looking at a, a catastrophe now on a level that we've never really been able to understand to, to, to, to, to, to go back to george's point. yeah. the americans might have a lot of headway in the 60 seventy's and perhaps eighty's when they were super. but when they were the sole superpower, you know, we receive a part of that science and that i mention, you can make mistakes because everybody's, it gives you, everybody says the, that's america. you know, you can pull out of them as a right of it now. and then one says, yeah, okay, so, so what, you know, americans big enough to carry on with it, seen a this a venue cuz callous. well i, i think name is generally i think towards be that they really were there mishaps i have occurred and let you got like

a 40 seconds here is that they abuse the unit polar moment and that moment is closed. go ahead george. i think so. and i think that them back in the 6th and 7th is 8, is they was a rival, which was a piece of military rival, which was the, the soviet union. and the united states, respect of the united states of bill pay. what kind of share of a planet with them, we kind of getting to a, in a dangerous escalation with them this since the uni pulled a moment. you know, i say, says we, you know, we won the cold war, we dissolve the winnings. and we're going to take the winnings from with us. and even though you know all the others are suggesting that way and we'll take it, we'll take the winnings and, and this is how they use their, their victory. it pirate can make 3. i would say that's all the time we have gentlemen when think, my guessing marrow cash and in budapest and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time. remember perhaps apple's the,

the, the door to door, which you just don't want. this is robin buckner soon. so media meeting, so in the future, i'm gonna send you settings from way simply because i'm waiting from it on the computer. no, yes, it personally. so the, to the sale be the name is yeah, do you wish to use the permission to complete that you'd like to, to should bills and get us the book switches, switches to the metal authority to producing that to, to see the purpose passed through. so the,

this is like a reading wall and i mean this is a declaration of oil a spiral of retaliation. israel. busy kinda place of response to you brands weekend attacks, which are ron conducted as what is bangs for it. definitely is really a strike and it's calculating syria for ron did not respond. it would increase the possibility of both because they wouldn't make israel more aggressive. the latest escalation between a rod and he's well brings com, to guy that has locals, experienced the most peaceful moments since the war began. more than half a year ago. this is the 1st, and only call night in casa, in the past 7 months. there were no airframe.