for the, the welcome to was a part as present to make sure every mark more than a center in bo, everything is learned in comparison with the prospect of a full scale war between israel and iran. the humanitarian does us think of something we seems like a crisis of a 2nd or perhaps even a 3rd order is the possibility of an interest state more in the middle east, likely have to deflect from the on going, left, suffering. and because i'm going to be a deliberate strategy to redirect the global spotlight out of the global criticism to discuss it, i'm now and join bar offered to say if a member of the israel opponent the class of representing the left wing airport,

george at had dashed talk party, mr. cust. safe. it's great to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you very much for having me. now you've been an outspoken critic of beings, really offensive on golfing, has supported the south african motion to pursue this issue legally at the international court of justice, which i know led to sofa unsuccessful efforts to impeach you. and i want to start by asking you for your personal impressions of what it's like to be a sort of, uh, contemporary dad the against the glass. i must say that it's not the easiest thing on it. you know, a, that of some, you know, a limitation and also because that, that i have to face. but the, you know, way we have to do so because i see my start the 1st and foremost of the struggle in

the name of justice and full job. any mind you adjusted this universe that it has no color, then he says, no nations. so my struggle for justice is full, but it's dean is and he's very like a you know i'm, i will need to color. i was not to say enemies. we seen these highly parliament and these latterly societies lout a lie to days. room is eyes to be in to a even sometimes team is that i, me and they of course, they legitimize me by saying that the, my, i am, i'm sorry, is that i, it, you know, is same page with the jewel. this is thought all the way up watched of course i am committed to justice and as a consequence, i'm also committed to justice for. busy my paper, these are at least so my so i believe is supposed to be it probably seeing any bit

a shipment, but as being any dependents is a product. if i start with full just if, but the p is also, as i seek justice for a, these are these because i think the ending of the war and the bloodshed, but a shame may be achieved only by participating in the bit age. there is the interest, so these are the people as with emotions here, political arrivals and i heard that in previous interviews here described them as the messianic bigots who actually believe that that policy is supposed to bring about the coming of the messiah. that the, their fundamental list, the mirror image of how loss, if so how do you think they understand the messiah and what the values that messiah is supposed to represent? best of what it is to offer you. many of the meanings to them about these ill, fox,

jim stepped up out of the score, at least, and then government, ultimately a, i think now the doubt file they have filed from being the majority b as a public. but unfortunately though, very powerful visa being done, you know, especially, and they, they come to the state of the moment. and for them, a, you know, life of human beings including these of your sponges, let the probably speed is a life of human beings, including these ideas such as because of that, the attempt to neglect that even to mock the follies literally inexpensively. it is because they see the blocks of paper no more damaged. you either we use of the coming of the messiah. now i do not know how they can see there, or see the messiah. but you might, you might if you have to go there because each day that isn't messiah in there may

have been messiah existed in they would have endorsed such a blood test. so it got closed as a serious question as to did justice incentive deals such messiah and the that's what i can say in mind. to do my, i will be gay shit and i were multiplication whether we'd be leaving goods or not. is it no big action? as i said before, is do justice and human beings all human beings, and one that makes a distinction between human beings, according to one's kendall or not. so now let the color of the scheme except, well, if some of them make such a distinction, that's one. a is a serious the be the same time, mr. casa, there are, there are certain, uh, sort of uh, obligations before your country is put patio tim dirt is an i'm in

a very difficult situation here. i think we because of my country is also a tour with its neighbor. although i believe that the rush is conducting. it's more in a different manner, more restrained manner than israel. and i would say the comparison of death tolls a test to them. but in any case, it raises the issue of proportional defense and appropriate targeting. how do you understand israel's right to defend itself? is spirit wrong, protest and its limits to the if you were to i yeah, i think of that is the end of the song state the i to defend itself. i also said very clearly here, 2 days ago that the you, i mean i'm attack on is what i was told that you could make an unacceptable because you try it with a disability. and then i have 2 silver entity and security obeys way. absolutely. you know, many years ago, thousands of people to go, there was a, a csl called the marcus. oh, i use and he had the very, yeah,

in about the day shift. he said, as a human being a, i'm a citizen of the with a small as a, as a marcus. oh, i use, i am a citizen before. so i can say the same, but those should not come in to go to the beach. it does no email. okay. it's going to addiction incomes between being a part for york and the universe of east $22.00. like into the measure of my beach . that's why i've said before, that's for me. it's fighting for just this is a unique list of in the nation week of cross incorporates into this, the very rates go the very concept. don't just that the eat, the rest of these rights. what they've been doing is out of my commitment, which is what the commitment to these any property which i am committed to, standards and commas protests with my commitment to universal justice. there was

nothing to the extra. you mentioned the latest the rain and strikes as violating is rarely sovereignty of unprecedented in scold. but i would also add the, the they came as a reprisal for an earlier is really attack on the uranium a diplomatic facility which was also a very notable violation. and branch of international norms. why do think the national government was what, what they're saying? they are to hear from government what's trying to save? and that's the initial strike and what their thing they were trying to insure for that with what's the deal with you and what they said, you know, well what they, what would you mean while they treat it after the strike to an easy way and by you on these the only way to achieve beast and stop the bloodshed these by vehicle can i think this over any fuel or states of nations in the engine so and

explicitly expressed might as innovation to say the least of the violation of this, the way that you'll see any of the need on the east side of golf. i'm nothing people, graphs, you know, way people treat the color. so i think the only way to scope the black chip used by recognizing and respecting this over any deal organizations ago, by the way, that should include recognition of the wireless theme, you know, the guy to so we have got to means ending the occupation and establishing an independent body still state in the side, the state, the $300.00 are the only ways to achieve peace and security for all around the globe. not on, not only in the origin. now i see your question regarding getting it done you all. unfortunately, this fascist full fledged talk is governmental connect on the aus is not following . you know, he does not care and he's not acting up on for the rest of the day. it

be pretty nice. but the bottom of the interesting metal is often with them. yeah. and he's because it all the and that's the, that's the only thing that lives there. that's why i continues to be, it would be insane. that's the end of the rest of the is the end is, is to get leave of, of this, the government. that is the main enemy of these legs before we are talking about anyone else. but the process let's, let's, let's try to stick with the latest attack and the, the logic over the next half of that. i'm trying to understand the reason i'm so drawn to it is because up until the rest of the week, the world's attention was on. what's going on and guys and, but with this latest farmers between israel and iran, that's no longer seems like like a number one priority. i wonder if you have any concerns that with the slave is

skier, why we came going based on the old. and i'm also in any way that the american government is actually trying to manipulate the global attention and perhaps deflect from what still is going on in gaza. best of fortunately i is the, the ongoing masika in god's the terrible destruction and best store of children of women it's in plain god's out was not very, it's not very interesting. the international community, the flag is, continues for 6 months. if the international community, especially the united states and the were being you and you were really interested in the well being with the palestinians in the very light of the but a scene as you've got that that's terrible. assault was over out months ago. but unfortunately, it seems, it doesn't really care that much more care about their own interest. so the, so in that sense, i'm afraid that the, the price, the ends of the new jews,

as it goes as they choose for many centuries, where they may best acute at once. bookshelves, cubes oppressed, and nobody cab. now it seems that the palestinian spoken by the same will break down with west cube and nobody cares. now as to what question does no doubt the money placed in the government's anthony. i would say that government wants to bill so is by that you felt think yep. dish. and even if it was mine, the one on the, on going a tear the this to auction in masika and got to the situation a with you the i got i agree with you. now i am schools it terrified of a week of the age of a so called of easily against the von fest for most because the best disease over

the edge of the ball and beyond. that's what would be the college that we've ever that experience go dictates that shouldn't be, spoke the head, if it could safely have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few minutes. stay tuned. the, there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the, or if the case for the med, most of the people i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on mac. we have very close propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions,

you should ask all of the questions. some more questions ask a better. the answer is, will be the mortgage to search as well as the other way not to be around. so see what it was around there. so so the, just so basically of course we need, the last name wasn't easy to understand when we used to be a little bit too much and we have support for someone who is this, we would show new people to the, the of

the extra ones, a part where offer to save a number of things rarely can asset the representative. how dash tile party, mr. cassim, just before the break, you mentioned that the west only cares about its own interest, but it happens to be that the west of interest, once again, or for the 1st time brother involved here. because some western media report and at the bottom administration is involved in a very active diploma scene behind closed doors, trying to make it clear to these railways that they want to avoid any bad. oh, that's with have to draw the us troops and i'm i same person heard that it's a typical american attempt of trying to have a cake and it's a 2 being involved without being involved or without bearing consequences. do you think that americans will succeed best time around?

do they still have the leverage with nothing? yeah, for him. his people. i think they do. but the question that be question is whether they're really interested in doing so. do we just measure it for the ongoing muscle, caring godsa in the last. ringback week the last few days, especially since that but now they will be joyce, a boy in the west bank and the well a and steve i'll poke was that the did. the program is by set. it is under the auspices they'll be able to patient process against innocent palestinians seem to west back. i haven't found anything from the united states on the you about people that's but often i don't think that the, the government to be so that he's interested a to hide or to marginalize. now i'm saying that because the united states, the bible himself, was talking for a few months now that the us with nothing very,

but i thought that they did this sort of the email set, but it's fitness in gaza. should that be a degree reduced by the same time? it continues. so the is a, the very same. how's the queue? the people it doesn't want to be cute. so i'm saying that because okay, he was speaking he against a and back on a lot. but i don't know what he's doing in practice because the last 2 months show that there is a kind of a coordinating decent on seeing me still by this. i think he was in the david t. well, i think you're very generous and describing the state of his mental help us cognitive based. uh, no, i want to be really clear. i, i don't want to to say anything about his ends is mentally, i've got some of my dentist and i don't know. i wish him good as for schools like

anyone else, that's not what i meant by going through these thoughts i he failed to ease activity, not to is it meant that l y ending anything else? can i ask him about this uh, very seam and shop for any of of criticism by the by that and the restriction of that is really ally because i have an impression that this whole uh, the whole point of this very high speed game uh, from these railey side is an emotional blackmail of the americans. don't you dare criticize us, publicly or else, but that's just my reading. how do you understand the disposition of been nothing? yeah, from government to these. i mean, the united states, and specifically, is that the, the bottom administration, are they playing a game of chicken with washington? and how do you see this whole relationship or cindy? all says military political, somebody else as evolving over the next couple of years or perhaps decades. best of the same. jo, this exist for many years. so the case,

it's not something new. a sick me, you know, everything is out. i don't know what's going to happen of the election in the united states. a seems may, may change a what they can say is that they at least be a money police, the police pick up and move this to that. and that then you always being there doing in the last few months of the consequence of the a presto. that the fuse or the they exist if you like, a suspension. rest of the piece in a between the 5 she's the most fanatic. the receipts and functions that we've seen as governments. oh, well, that's nothing. you know, that's the only thing that it could pop you as well, by the way, with less at the time to be more valuable and to be more aggressive towards that. but a students engines on. so that's one side of the question. the other side of the equation

is that the, the other week of a president by them and others who probably a one easy way a to not to a be more aggressive bucks to be less aggressive ends in that obviously even to stop some of the, a medium of the activities and this pressure doesn't let them you don't fly themselves even. i think d. c, this pressure is the main incentive you emailed them? yeah, i was be a yeah. any that says b, a b a is not exactly a quote to him. now and there have been some reports uh, primarily in the american media and the american media close to the by the end of ministration. that the white house has been trying to persuade. the national government to opt for a quote unquote, a limited response on all to respond at all to the is to be rainy and strikes they

portrayed as a, as a victory for israel because most of the missiles and drones have been into a substance. so there is no need to respond at all, and i want to ask you, what do you think that the limit is response can be under israel, have been military resources at this point of time for a major action lead to long for a prolong confrontation of it around whether, you know, at the same time, a president of biden said what you quoted, he also was quoted, the police been some of the press that they followed in the last couple of days. the people did not say anything to you, but what it is that besides to acting one way, not do it. we, we face again, this kind of fate. a, you know, blair or a fussy a party see by both let them know. and in by that, so it's very, are clear for me a whether the items of the situation you really sees even mine or the

reaction or a non know the option of to or you just don't know. it's very tough for me to understand. because there's so many going to the beaches a not between the different publications, but between the things that we still by themselves. and that's, that's why don't think i still do the identity with the piece i have a is. it was quote, and they gave me different that newspaper as in china is do with the newsletter upside. that is the way that they might be, for instance, cybill reaction that i do then immediately you want and they are really don't know . the only thing i'm sure about is that the best for everyone. well, the agent as a quote for these ladies as part of the agent was, is a, the best is it said the government to be, that was not going to act up to or that's,

that's good. he is. do is let's move forward to piece stuff with the military. every option, option 3 options, you know how to montgomery said i fully and i with them. everybody blinds? well the don't think mr. nathan. yeah, for me is my husband gotten to a police at this point of time, and i do want to ask you about this because he's been sort of uh, using these right wing sentiment growing up and they is really a society very certainly he describes him as a as a fanatic, but i think he has a very experienced and a very shrewd flush and, and do you think he can afford himself politically, when we go into sort of what they want to de escalate, but to look neutral and not be, you know, gearing on some more military action, but i think these are forbid, there is a possibility. i mean, he can do that. i, i do not accept a few that kind of a, you know, me cheese channels,

something like that. i totally believe that the last speech totally in the last few months, let's not forget the piece of response. typically you best store for their own going a lot. the 3 of these societies, it'd be facing easily responsible for so many fails in our friends. you could imagine a, you know, in defense economy, a party diesel, whatever you can think about the face, the face to face time after time after time. is it by the way, these are be the is honors love. so is nothing patricia in my to is a cycle box and who lost a he said he wasn't so quick. instrumental industrial, not a doctor's to say that the, the big big goal was the ends eh, psycho particularly as, as well. but the was that i should know in choosing the beams to achieve these

goals. now we lost that this way and this our cost, if it's a $3.00 they only about and that's half a person way or perhaps about the largest enrollment. i'm concerning both israel in the united states because it looks like they are both these countries massively losing the economic political social advantages. that's how they have managed to accumulate over decades and over here as they're, you know, expanding and on some uh, very outland ish. and in humane proceeds, don't you agree with that? i don't you happy with it so depressing that issue with them. you know, just right to answer your question because you asked me about that then you know, personally, but they don't usually do. that's not the person the issue. and it's not that we cannot put the old blame on it. then you know, it's very interesting because today any in our newspaper and there was a, an article that claimed that the neo is not the responsible for the escalation, especially as far as the occupation was concerned about the zip byproduct of the

occupation. i totally agree, and we thought the occupation of $9067.00 is the see the of the, the most of the eh, diseases variety society is been going so, especially in the last few months and it's audio is only one of those diseases. i totally agree with you. in the united states, the ministrations eh, being supporting the ongoing book, you, patient, in practice. everyone seems a new patient gets there. seems to be, have done john. so up to now, there was not even one president or seriously challenged the occupation. so in god says like, put to match the blade to the on going bloodshed that everybody stop is want. especially the 1st thing is, but these are at least 2. like what am i to, to blame all the different w stations into like to stay?

it's absolutely okay. mr. garcia, in a few minutes then we have left. i want to ask you an impossible question to answer, but the still, how do you see the situation? if not to me, is the only thing itself done at least moving in a slightly more peaceful direction. yes say of course the suffering is the manual, the but as the people. but let's not forget that they have more than $1000.00 these ladies, but would show up by come us to on 7th of october. and as they are 100 percent, if we is there any hostages dying in the time that will come masters. so what should to be done to must be what should have been done months. the goal is to release the hostages and got the means and they'd be very, very, a brief breast they will should be stopped. now. the old hostages should be released got the sewage to be repeated. and the most important thing in order to prevent the ongoing blad shit and then other must

occur, is to begin with the serious motion towards to peace and thought necessitates listing anybody they should be able to patient the siege must be and that it's the seeing of people using died to do his independence and silver. anything, even though he's the people they look, you'll find in june 1967, we must do it. now. that's the only way to save the lives of or people involved, but least seeing as easily as you get chance to den yes and on and and, and beyond that, because if we don't stop it now, i'm afraid that we are facing. we are on the brink of it, kept us still feet that will be gaming and then it and move option individual not as option in war, but the may easily escalate was a where to go. we must scope it. it can, it is stop at the but we,

we do office chair as far as we can. we have 2 week, but we do need the international community on the peace side, not on these. i do want to seen a site on the site or if it gets if we have to leave it there, i really appreciate your time. thank you very much for being with us. i think you the best bless us. thank you. it's also going to bass. thank you for watching hope this era, again, on walter parts the, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00]

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