which is not even days, you know, so that's it. can, the situation would so freely to is handed over on the state of up laptop then this, the economy feed on site is the 3rd largest political part to you. so that's because in terms of foreign policy, the part to prioritize is eastern partnerships with countries like russia and china regarding domestic issues. it stands for a radical economy plan of nationalization of city to stick to lock the mining industry. it also backs expropriation of land to redistribute to freely among the population with a goal of prosperity, 50 percent of the land to black people. the policies need to see such changes would be carried out to peace. would we need except the government of men and women, black and white. one quick, we've wipes the board by the way. they wouldn't wait with the big not because the

wind because they have brought the necessary ski to make it this way. that would not be given precedence over our black people because went to lead testing by that's on the price. but no one is going to be taken to this. no one is going to be a good chance, eh, no one is going to lose the spot i perplexing on the basis of kind of support. you see that even if knowledge that investors my heart you policy, this includes nationalizing mind, will be 18 land without compensation. what he said, they would value most of the time. he's opposed to just forming the economy, the taxes. in other words, if it's truly fighting for the working clause, it seems like before coming, it mixes may change so that because politics anymore to match the way the previous, this'll cost for all t. i'm not real quick and get into hands,

but as well for me for now, but just stay with us. my colleague and aaron will be in next in just about 30 minutes with mornings. bye. the . the hello and welcome across by bullhorn john peter labelle. here we discussed some real news is you're preparing for direct military conflict with russia. evidence suggests the answer is yes. also international law and the real global community is working to hold israel to account how much isolation is the us willing to accept. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan, send me while we in budapest, he's

a pod cast with the goggle which can be found on youtube and locals, and in marrow cash. we have martin jay, he is an award winning journalist and commentator, or is it a link cross type rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want that i always appreciate it. all right, let's start. i was injured with george in budapest, over the last week, particularly we've seen these rumors of war as it were, coming from particularly something like the hum, gary, and prime minister victor urban. but many, many others in the obviously escalation of the conflict in ukraine is on the agenda, as you claim continues default, or, i think as we speak right now, they're opening up the jails in the ukraine for convicts to go to the front. um, uh, we have a, a plethora of videos of, uh, circulating online but continued on for cannon fodder to send to the front. and we have simultaneously, we have people like david cameron, reading live use,

those weapons deepened to russia, british ones, by the way. and, and to be blinking, the state, the part of the, the secretary state trying to corral people into some kind of a forceful agenda to escalate even more. so george, where is this all going? is this a because the way i think you can interpret in many ways the, you know there, unrelenting unwilling to accepted this whole project was as far as from the beginning. or this is an opportunity for to mobilize the west where a very long term agenda and not just against russia. george, that's a very good point to the, to and i think up the answer is both the, the hon gary and prime minister. the victo or bands interview a couple of days ago was a very interesting because he says, look hungry is taking part in these nato meetings. and i can tell you that in these meetings, they are planning for and made so uh, involved and being ukraine. and he said that, um, you know, if this continues,

essentially, um hungry will have to opt out. now, he didn't exactly spell out what it means opt out. but what, what type of se, but the fact the country will just simply the seems to be a member of nature. but he's saying that, and he said this explicitly that europe is now in this situation. he wasn't in 1914 and then 19, so it denied it's on the brink of a well well. and then you have to say, well, why, why is that? and then you talk about this, the crisis in the ukraine. the problem arises that uh, you know, when do was bring capital was breakout when great powers refused to give up. they can give up because if they gave up, they used to be great powers. they, they, they just seems that they will be seen to be they for tigers. and therefore they just have to, uh, go home and like a wounds. great powers, a very reluctant to do that. and hence the escalation of this rhetoric,

i mean one of the things you didn't, you didn't mention was it was a good friend, major secretary general, you installed them, but gave the names of you to the economists thing, which he also said, yeah, absolutely. we have to take a whole restrictions on the use of, of us and many messiahs given to the ukraine, but they just don't notify the, to the conflict and, and then we have um the, the out probably outgoing u. k prime minister risky. soon. i can also what he's going to introduce national service within his own, which somebody description. everyone can see exactly exactly conscription and now it's true. he's likely to win any strew of labor. it has criticized them. however, labor is the anointed one. these obviously they, they going to be in this, but i me say that doesn't mean labor itself is not going to introduce this in due course. so everyone of these is getting ready to fall will be banned. why? because they cannot admit delusion because you lose then basically you will need.

um it's, it's interesting because, you know, when making you made reference to the, in the interview that uh the on gary and prime minister victor are the main with the economist. a martin. i mean, he's absolutely right. i mean, looking at the, the precursors of the complex and for world war one in world war 2. but i think everybody needs to stand back here is that this is accomplishing that the nato european countries want. i mean, rushes, not attacking any of these countries whatsoever. there is no in pending invasion of western europe by russia. there is no and i mean, even though the, the biggest proponents are ukraine, but probably wouldn't admit that it least not in pending right now. i mean, this is a craven choice on the part of europe into leads in american awaits is to prepare for a war, but they want go ahead martin, to go nowhere else to go. i mean, that's true. the problem, you know, wait a minute themselves into this corner where by now they have run out of new plans,

new ideas. and now what is the real point? the real objective now of these at least is just self preservation. you know, and unfortunately indirectly, the grading elite, i would say because that's something else here, but i'm talking about your team leader to see the houses how the people that shows micron and also to seem to keep that political base when it even the device missing phone frenchman or german can see that we're losing a new crane and russia is gaining a certain point that will be a tipping point. web mines will be focus on, the total will go through 3, will be more realistic rather than just to announce who i think when we origin closer to is. just recently the russian investor in london told her permission be. but we know you'll storm shadows being side by british soldiers. we know you didn't train your finance, you sent your own people to operate them. i think if america follows through with,

with his own equipment, she sends us on soldiers to fly them. you know, we're a cigarette people away from a world war 3 scenarios. you know, i'm sorry, it's a dangerous tool to put cameras and others talk about hitting the inside rush. so you know how, how much computes and take, you know, i mean, even, even though he has a break and quite his generals, will be ongoing for, for a much more decisive policy against nate. so because this nato is doing this, but in the middle of this one i see from a distance i suppose is lack of dialogue, lack of debates, lack of effect, and you know, met press coverage, you know. and then what happens is when you completely pump down animals, this, when you start arresting john, unless, oh, you lost the sized them for taking a different line. you know, what happens is the lead start to believe around b, s. and this is really part of the story, is that, you know, just recently last week there was some, as of, we gave soldiers in the british,

panama. shameful, absolutely shameful. i'm not one british newspaper, right? well, so we had, we had the secretary of state destiny and blank and sitting in a, a p p 3 and in care of with his counterpart with the nazi we go, we own the walls. okay. i mean, george, you know anthony blank and went to israel. is a jew like is he a jew when he goes many visits key of when you seen the nazi regatta? oh yeah. i'm george. yeah. there with writers just reporting number of reports. okay. they had put in is agreed to freeze the con. uh conflict. okay. i, i would like to read um, you know, i'd like to see those reports myself because i think everyone obviously once you see the complet come to in precinct complet plus neutrality plus change of reason, they don't mention that they just talk about one thing. but it's really interesting when we go back to the interview that put and made with ad with tucker carlson. why don't you just test the russians if you want to freeze, the conflict doesn't tell me more,

but they won't even do that. george. good less. exactly right. the to, and i don't think that i would probably say, we don't know that right, those reports, these are true, but it's not impossible because really is there is only one on file to that is the grown up in the room and, and that's a built in and put in does not want to world war because this is crazy to escalate to was that? um and so i think he's putting forward, i mean maybe, i mean i, i find that plausible that he would put forward a scenario that he gave he things the west going to accept without feeling that they'd be humiliated by the feeling that they, they have now seems to be a great powers. i look, you know, if we freeze it along these lines, um, you know, you can at least say then you've got something we can say with the something and then we can bring this very dangerous confrontation to an end. the problem is that isn't, there are no tickets. and this goes back again to the, the,

the discussions of man's gun that is spend both rusher made and no one was concessions really very on favorable to russia. and it was the last i said, no, no, we can, we can go away. we can actually conflict the total devastating strategic defeat on russian total humiliation bratia. and we can get away with then of those you comp. but it's the same reason you can't just simply the faith is you really a great power, but that was, it was the west, the active response. when is the west now, then instead of engaging a serious dialogue because life is clearly open to dialogue, have these nonsensical peace conference in switzerland, which russia hasn't been invited even today to say. and this is an entirely a public relations exercise. nothing to do with a peace conference, but just in therapy. oh, we own it. was the landscape based plan, which was russian capitulation. you know, you know, martin, it's very interesting we, we have heard repeatedly and particularly from the likes of the french president macro and you know, russia should not be allowed to win. well, that is, that is

a wish list. that is a political statement, but that doesn't have anything to do with security and moving forward. and that's always been the key issue that the west never really will open will admit, is that the core of all of this rest of the security demands. and we had, we had this process during the cold war, b o s c. we had the health in the process. no one in the west. no take there's, as george said, go ahead barton. yeah, i'll, they're going to be and take us now. you know, it, it doesn't seem to be so it, i think we have to wait for something quite a catastrophic to happen before head. so thing together that nascent level of a, you level for people to actually start talking about some the realities of what we can do, you know, the name. so come when this will what it's now looking at some diseases. i mean, i've been told by some of my m a g sources in new kinds of some ministers in the british government. i'm now saying we need to get out of the crane. so these people

are now starting to say, look, the reality is, this is a war company, one kind of in be a will, which with is that can be some dignity and some grace and losing either. can we step back from it. but i don't see any real of this scenario, so you're not seeing, we're going round around in circles. and um, i don't think names. so is the building really? it doesn't have the people in it who can really look at this realistically. and i've come up with anything intelligence, you know, so i think there's a, there are a number of elk similar ones that play here, even the narrative, you know, we keep hearing russia is coming in. but that narrative is really nonsense because the people who bump bang, bang the drum and say that of the same countries that have completely depleted their own stocks, the millet of hardware. so, you know, you, you obviously don't believe in that in that well, i mean, in another, in decatur georgia last 30 seconds here. is that victoria new and is suddenly back in the newest. i mean, i mean, you know, teach dislodge from her as perch, but she is actually leading the fight for the military industrial complex and the

neocons. 15 seconds. george. yeah, there she's, and she's also echoing this has been, you talking fine. no restraints. that's all on the use of missiles and the, and that's what i have that everybody is on board for that. i'm just going back to what matthew was saying, that story m p who said that it's the the, the, the british will actually firing the storm shadow miss of was and it says that with the, with the new care style and the government. well, actually we will be told that we are more than you just so he said that right on that dreadful thought gentlemen, we have to go to a hard break. and after that, hardwick will continue our discussion. so me on the stand with our to the

the world's largest democracy votes, the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters, but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions for react, the welcome back to prospect bullhorn and peter labelle here, we're discussing some real news. martin is, i guess, you know, you and i and george, you've been observers of politics for our entire adult lives. okay. and i never thought in my wildest imagination that b i c j in the i. c. c would be so focused on, on. uh, what we focused on the activities of israel and it's a legal behavior and it's a small town gone. so,

but here we are right now. but the problem with all of this is that the israel is, is isolated, but it's been isolated and for much it is existence as a pariah of many countries in the world. i've always considered it a pariah. not a big difference. okay. maybe in magnitude and maybe um, uh, in breath, but israel has been used to that status. the united states is not. okay. and the, the, the, the problem that is facing the united states that needs as close as allies, is that the more and more that the can genocide conventions are studied and applied . then you have complicity. and those that are complicit are in the same category is committing genocide itself. this is something the western world is slowly and terrifyingly waking up to go ahead martin with him too. and also i think realizing that the more we go down this right, the more that we start issuing these rips from the i c j to nothing higher messing

. yeah, i know those, you know, on the more america shows is really what is all about what the, what is the i c, j for america is his, it's america's own to, for germany. nothing more, nothing less. and i think when i think it was instagram who said recently and, and some sort of congressional me thing, you know, it's like going from this from yahoo and he's raised and will it be us next? and i think that really was martin if i can interrupt that was during a congressional hearing and they were protesters in the crowd witnessing that committees proceedings and they applauded it and he said, go ahead. you can applauded if you want that we're going to mazing moment. sorry for the reps, interrupted was absolutely amazing because it really let the cut of the back now. now with now there is clarity now, you know, even the last few weeks we will be discussing ahead wondering, you know, where is this, what we're heading on really? and i said to you, i think that the very beginning of the conflict on the show, i sent them the current balance of the i, c j will really be hills now to it'll be

a real issue now. right. and the very beginning, when it had his ruling a couple of months ago, you know, i think that point now is, is a fund even more and i'm not putting myself on the backs my preston's. what i'm saying is that if the i c, j loses credibility, you know, of the huge institutions around the world. i think i'm going to fall or because global south leads or just looking at these institutions and saying, well as us just now, just to help america squeeze by the seals manipulates people. i'm sorry, people to jail, they kind of have assassinated, you know, then why should we be part of it? and what happens is that just accentuates momentum towards breaks towards the east . you know, so i think come these recent announcements by the button administration following this, the, the legal case which is building up number the i c j. i think that's a real, that's a really bad signal towards huge wisdom controls. and

so she's on, i mean, but martin if, if you look at the i, c, j, when i'm out going in and george right now, i mean, these are all what the inventions of the west in the, in the post world war 2 posting are in bird environment, these are all western institutions that i mean, and particularly the i c c, you know, the international case in court which so many people call it. but i mean it's, it's of these institutions. it is the legitimacy of the west to, to continue to lead and, and them, and make the demand that they have the right to lead because they can, they stand taller and they see further in the all this other nonsense that we've heard, that is all at stake right now, it's just not institutions. it's this the, the very legitimate legitimacy of the western experiment for the human race, george us as a, also to write these live. and just going back to your original question, which was that the well, yes, israel has often been isolated indians that actual community but not the united

states. and what's really going on now is really a kind of a self inflicted wounds on the cause of the united states, because there's no reason for it because, you know, yes, obviously the united states is in the business of being the global headroom. and once a bit dominate the world, you know the full spectrum dominance act works with the united states has been about. but this unremitting support for israel stands in the way of a because ego dispenser go um from for many, many reasons. antagonizes an awful lot of countries this way. it is completely isolated being the middle east. it has to be of war with its neighbors ever since its foundation that isn't likely to change any time. so america is on board, is that. and then you in exchange for nothing. so right, good, isolated so, and we're for a full goals. that's actually the chief, nothing for the united states. and so now it's, it's, are issuing threats against the, until i feel criminal court. doubtless it goes us up issue and threats against aids,

and i support them just as and that stands in the way of american global hatred when they, because or offensive bowers? well more than happy to be american clients states do was america's bidding. but not on this issue, particularly in the middle east, on this extra bit by calling follow the united states. so it's quite an extraordinary that of the self inflicted wounds that named the united states. the impact of bradley was still the deeper and take even more dangerous work. so. oh, you know, and because martin, if me in israel does what it does, because it deals, it has the privilege of impunity. and because it has american backing, it's all we have shielded, but that's why this happens. this is something the united states has allowed since the inception of visual, particularly since the 67 war. and now it's coming back to haunt them because this is not only is georgia is, you know, what does the us get out of this when they, when it looks it, it's global hedge, a monic rich not much. it's may, may have

a good negative returns, but now this is impacting domestic politics in the western world. we see these huge divisions going on and, and it's quite terrifying. you know, i mean, with, you know, george and i covered russia, gave thoroughly, when, you know, there was a new mccarthyism, what's going on now is books that level of mccarthyism and it's small potatoes in comparison and for, for what, okay, so this and p energy is destroying the very fabrics of the ideals, the, the values that we use we claim to hold. go ahead martin. yeah, i think nixon put it very well when he was talking about the book. he wrote, you said, you know, we don't really get much out of the relationship with israel and the main reason why we're so close to these right is because of the holocaust because the history you know, but i think to take george's point so very well. you know, self inflicted wounds such and such really and one that is gaping mail, but it wouldn't be the button administration that looks at this from with any

objective perspective they what, because it had a cup to view. i think about the, the implications of the next 2010 or 20 years. it might be the next adult, this generation of politicians and leaders in america who questioned this relationship. you know, in the old days it was, well, we need is one in the middle east because if the sort of rebellious children otherwise known as the arab stays, but become a little bit naulty and a bit difficult to deal with israel. be that a crack the width, i'm going to show the rest of the region, you know, who's really running the show. but well, it might be and also, and also martin unity, they, they may end up the soviet union. george, this is, this is impacted the greater middle east. amazingly, because you had the, the, we have israel was within the context of a cold hor rivalry when that disappears. that's when it became actually far more dangerous because israel, because of its sense of impunity, would be able to pursue its goals. go back to the westbank for example,

and now attacking causal repeatedly. if we'd been in a cold war environment, it's doubtful that would have happened george. so that's exactly right. and this is very interesting because if you go back to the cold war mentality, it was really henry kissinger who define the issues in the middle east in terms of the cold war. somehow. israel is the look the west leave. the being uh, the cyber lied or you know, waging a soviet sponsor and the west and the world. and of course it was nonsense. that building is nonsensical at the time. and it's not, it's me mix of did not agree with that analysis of the lease or the his secretary of state. william rogers did not think of that view, but that was case and you again, he kind of voice that this idea on to the united states. that's the reason why we're providing israel with this up on question on the remaining support is that a israel is finding the cold war against soviet aggression all now they love,

they get of them because once a cold war and did you have to invent new things and so you and that is the islamic jihad in the global islamic revolution. now it's about the work is a global work is um, in israel is in the full front the sides or is rarely as you probably get into fights with national silver entity and your gains. globalism is always something new. the sides that be as well as in the leader of because it isn't then it's just a way of avoiding ever talking about what's the grill issues are in the middle east . and that's, and that's why on this what goes on is that you know, everything vending these new meteorologist, the why, why we have to about the support, the israel unconditionally learn. wait, wait, we have the u. k. elections coming up very, very soon. how is this issue with the israel palestine in the i c j gotten playing out in that election? if at all it's going to have a huge impact on both sides of the huge blogs because um, it's

a general purpose to jump. perception is that labor are going to get how much because of the ridiculous, some sort of support of the genocide of, of a on israel side. but also i think that too, as well, we will these be hit very hard only because the lack of decision, lack of strategy on all of other issues. by this time at least this is just wanted some. what's gonna happen is the low price can be split right down the middle. but jeremy cool by now looking to be running to perhaps try and try and make some sort of stand against overlay because we know the tory is going to be desecrated. you know, so i think the emergence now of some of the parties like george galloway's but others as well. you know, i think it's going to be a real issue. you know, we, we went, this has been so long. since we've had a real phone policy that makes any sense well known, it's been so long since we've been able to distance ourselves from america. you

know that i think people are sick. i'm sick the death of really having phone ministers and a british government who basically whatever the state department, you know, so i think israel and palestine will be an issue, a big issue, but i think it will hit slave a honda doing well in the same questions and george, whether we have november elections coming up, what's the difference between trump invite and when it comes to this issue? i, i ask that because i know it's a short answer. not much, but it, that's an interesting question. what was seen in the last few weeks, i've been big donors, hedge fund managers, people who didn't like chrome. now suddenly moving towards the chrome because they said by then is betraying. israel bite is throwing israel under the bus and they think trump would be a more reliable friend of israel. and that could be very interesting. um, within the i think when it was one of the houses, i think what it tells us is this, this line is by the ologies, is corrupted western politics to the core. unfortunately, gentlemen,

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