the, the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle. it is the common place to hear that ukraine is on its last legs. its collapse is only a matter of time. in many ways, this is true. however, this overlooks the fact that nato is unwilling to accept defeat in this conflict for this aggressive military alliance, more escalation is on the agenda, the cross hunting nato. i'm joined by my guess. angel juliano in hong kong. he is a political and financial analyst and assemble. we have conic. so real amar, he is a historian, political commentator, as well as associate professor at cox university. and in dallas we cross the david

while ago. he is a jew, political analyst, author, and veteran, right? job in cross type roles and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it topic. let me go to you 1st and assemble. obviously, your quote, the following. the events surrounding is that you create as closely as the rest of us here. but you know, you just can't help, but notice all the fishers going on. you have and out of capitals of nato. you know, you have a prime minister saying this, a president saying this, and then you have stilton burge, the general, the secretary saying another thing who's actually calling the shots on ukraine policy. because for all this vantage unity there seems to be an enormous amount of divisions. going on, go ahead and assemble. i think you raised the extremely important issue, which is that it's entirely unclear who was ultimately calling the shots on ukraine policy. i would have said, usually in the end, it is the white house in the end of this, the american because the american sup actually told me that mental. and one thing that i've seen in this conflict is says the americans that have subjugated so your

team partner, so clients of us so, so i would like to say as never before. and so your prints are really subordinate at themselves. but, but here's my tab here, my cabinet is the vehicle also seen another thing i meant i would argue that over the last 2 years there has been sort of extremist sunday to hawks if you want. and the half looks to be moderate, so don't get me from the roots in a pacifist, the russian, but the less extreme then extremist. so say for instance, on one side you have kind of carlos from a stone you had on the other side. you have a little of thoughts from germany, right? extreme is monitored and the big problem in natal is that the extremist don't always get what they want. at least not immediately. that's very important to note. but the extremist always set the term, substitute the bait and then never go away and then never take no for an answer. and the others,

the moderates inside new to inside the collective best more broadly. never make these streams take no fun on. so this is the very dangerous dynamic that is happening in nature right now. we are looking at the reasons for that. i don't want to take up too much time. but if you're looking at this as a situation, visit extremis, x, you don't necessary call all the shots, but they're constantly dominating the game. and this is 5 years of seeing this long term s collection, right? first of us never succeeds because that's what we'll see. you know, be at f, 16 so i just find the example, right? so the, and let's say that the extreme but so i'm not going to drive us on files. i had watch close it and tell them about how much they spend, what makes it very interesting. i'll go to angelo on this one right now. i, i agree with that thing you just said here, but it seems, you know, and we have these divisions going on and, and the question comes about who's calling the shots, and really, it's really not about ukraine, but it's really about the fate to nato and nato's mission, it will,

it refuses to admit defeat. it refuses to admit that this is ridiculous project from the get go. has very little to do with ukraine at this point. go ahead and hong com. yes, absolutely. i think this could be a defining moment for natal east natal. these news is against russia. these 4 projects for the past. and it could be actually very damaging for you on the long run. what the, what is an interesting, what happened? what be sold to this, you paying conflict? this special, the major way of preparation, which is to realize how d e u is just the bus. so entity of the united states, and i think it's really important just to go back to history. people do need to understand the dispute project was on. i'm the 1st place to see how you project yours. wages to choose, control you up to make the united uh market for you to us product. and on the long run to the solve the story nation states. so the europe is actually expanding,

though, is trying to expand. it's a fading project. people are dissatisfied. uh and i think what we saw with the brick street is just the beginning, more copies before. and we see that the visions know is the 3 countries we have on believe we have slow back yet. and we simply verse was very surprising. you had the some of the new device from yeah, the uniquely actually decides the lovely evey directly spoke to back. you said you either apologized. oh, you resign. and i think those are science that's in europe, in the nato. there at the visions. and i think we, we have some great thoughts that as she, it can be sustainable for europe and countries economically, but actual decisions. because people, if you were to do a surveys around you, up people up clearly nothing to state about this. your cleaning was these no supports, people are interested in tangible face. yeah. what do you mean by tangible?

how much do i put on the table? can i put my kids to university? those are both and things. these divided and controlled. the a project is not working anymore. people. yeah. the problem is here is they, they can use ukraine is a national security issue that europe is threatening then you cut you, you dismiss, so a civil liberties. you have a war economy. this serves a lot of different purposes except for helping ukraine. you know, david, one of the interesting, the top it in the last few days is that we had this early warning radar attacked inside of russia. which is extremely important for russians, nuclear deterrence. and the wes, i mean deterrence is something that's what works both ways that has nothing to do with what's going on the battlefield in ukraine. that's why i'm asking, who's calling the shots here? because that's a nato's interest. it doesn't change the facts on the ground and

a new crane david. well, it's because they always were live in daddy's loses, has lost that one on, on an inability by me is that is because the fragmentation within nato became a very audience. it's, it's, it's slow cigarettes. it's, it's, it's obvious to everybody. ukraine is done for that's one second thing is the idea that now what the labor is gonna be doing, just stay relevant. when in reality no isn't really the best. we all know this. there is no use for nato anymore. we're no, the problem is, in my opinion, is when you have voice is like what just happened? yes. in paris, when my home is saying, well wait a minute, we gotta live the restroom when, because of the if they do, that means we will be next. this is not there by but hyper voting no more, no less because they wanted to keep the ball rolling within the reality. nato's done for and russia as to think strategically on the art. thank you strategically

by now. go in the, into the sort of the preparation, if i may use the term or even a drill for the tactical notes. because the conversation though is moving into, are we gonna be, are we meaning nato in this case? are we going to be place in the news on the polish soil? yeah, and i, i don't believe a rush hour window or a something. now you're, you're in anticipating one of my questions and i'll ask it now. topic is, is article 5 going to be tested before this conflict is over. because i said that from the get go in the beginning of this complex, eventually we're going to get there. go ahead topic, or what is its test, right? then we have the 2 outcomes. one is it phase, and then they to is discredited and goes out and schedule it. it's completely useless, it's useless anyhow, it's blessed that he goes, let's press it uses lose the sense of the intentions because on the actual right,

or it's not tested feel or very lucky. so here's why i think there's a possibility that it won't be tested in the end, and it has nothing to do with the west. and it has to do with russian behavior. because what we have seen during this construct on the russian side is a very high degree of restraint. so on one side, russia is not bluffing. absolutely not. how do we know this? because that's how we got into this escalate to the conflict. because at the end of 2021, they told us natural talk to you about settling this or something is going to happen . visa, no, and something did have that sort of, you know, process not bluffing. but on the other hand, we also have seen a very consistent problem of rush or not taking bates right. so for instance, this attack on the rate of states, no, maybe it was to attacks on similar beta stations icing. this is the ukranian, ostentatiously demonstrative, launching a type of attack that speaks directly to one of the points of the 2020 degree. but

it's about some precedent on van nuclear weapons could be used. yeah. but it might be cutting to, i'm sorry, teddy, but that would been an american decision. not a decision made in cube. right. the icing bulls as possible. i. it's something that they're doing together this the americans, this is entirely possible grievance. you or it is already work the dog in nevada, extreme for right, because ukraine also has shown a pattern of trying to drive its allies all its sponsors deeper into the club. the reason why i say that teddy gave me o as a angelo this here. i mean, interestingly enough, a person that we hope had been long gone was victoria knew, and suddenly sconces arctic going back into the media. talking exactly about a deep strikes and russia at the same time. and this early warning radar was hit a coincidence or, or what, angelo. and it's hard to say we, we, we making some speculation here. i try, i tried just to just start to look at the actions. there's lots of words. and i

think of what they're doing. i had the impression, especially when you look at my call, i gave you an example of my close to the i want to send the 1000 soldiers. what guess what? yes, problem sending a soul just do you kind of don't you know? because yes, you're lympics the or re enrolled on top does and you know who is helping in your fix. the, asking all the countries to send police man to help phrase fast doesn't, has the capacity. in addition to that, we all know that need to those in the have, i mean, nation sufficient munition, because the metering does for complex ease, coffee based just not pub is based those guys cry demetrius so corpus has been a money loving machine, not for making weapons for the fence, he wasn't for making money for the me during the so complex and for all these cover jumped up in in, in the, you know, it's really interesting when you know, when we talk about what's going on with neo liberalism, their financial ice,

everything including security gentlemen, and that's why they're in the position that are in right now. and it's something that they're going to have to pay for. again, asking the question why there has to be escalation. before we answer that question, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue. our discussion on ukraine. stay with are the, the, the

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the loss of freedom era. patriots had been fighting against french colonialism for decades until to an easier game. the independence in 1956 the welcome. like across the dock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you were discussing ukraine the okay, go back to david in, in dallas, in the publication responsible state craft. uh, occasionally it has something worth reading and it did have, this was their main article or as we speak right now. poaching may be at the door why is bite and ignoring the bell, which of course is being making a reference to a writer story. a couple of new cycles ago where the, the kremlin officials have made it clear that the russian side is interested in

talks negotiations. no details given of course, but the door is cracked open as it were. if we can keep using that matter for the west has no interest in negotiations. why? david, it's the simple answer is that it will many, it will mean that the west has to admit its defeats and they are not willing to upset. that's reality. because what this, what this conflict shows, it show the really the disparity with the strength of the rushing military and that of the west. how the western institutions, military speaking, as a former military myself, i can tell you, the west has no strength whatsoever to face the rush. little long if we only read in history to understand the history over of the soviet union, the russia, and kind of whatever you want to follow, how we went through and it was never defeated. i mean, most of us in the west here have no idea the world war 2 was one because of the

soviet union, not the americans, but previous. i'm sorry, david. yes to on monday of this week we have the president of the united states memorial day in the united states saying that they the united states one world war 2 again. oh, all right. yeah. i agree with the design in relation to the end before. right? yeah, narratives are no good when they're your birth control. it say 56 years ago. we're going down faster than that. we've been able to understand hope of doing now with the issue only in any way. it shows now the hardware, for example, of the military and hardware into west, in just barebones of what the russians have built. why? because the russians have developed and spend a lot of yours in training, finish cohesiveness. there is more around the which are also david, one of the things they didn't go down the neo liberal path. they didn't, they were they, they have an integrated military, they make all of their stuff,

all of their stuff. okay. look whats going on, let me go to topic here. look what's going on. and ukraine. we get some of that. a little bit of french dressing here. we get a little ducks dressing there and you put it all together and you think it's good to work. i mean, these people are out of their minds, okay. and in hundreds of thousands of people are losing their lives because this thing just wasn't thought out. all they thought with the sanctions will crush the economy. they'll be a revolution here. and we'll have a colored revolution that's the depth of their thinking topic. go ahead in this symbol. yes, i think of something right. but one thing we have seen in this less them fiasco, and that's what it is over the last 2 years. is that these guys never consider a plan b because they're never safe in need of time. but, and the reason why they think they need know, can be a set that consistently about consistent the under estimate the advisory. but as long as of less mistakes, you can obviously mckinsey apology, accent, and bore, and the thinking about dresser. but it can mobilize what a can do,

what it kind of stands for. the vision tends to stand and so on and so on. seems to be based on the most exotic, stupid types they, they simply act out of reach for thinking of the problem is that never want to abandon it by now it's been a paragraph tested as you pointed out, sanctions are not at all. i've worked. i so to call it a good moment welfare, it's the most to be economic both applied since the end of the cold war. and it is a complete failure. in fact, the russian economy, and specifically, the russian boy economy has gotten strong. does the data isn't. and the vest has actually gotten beacon in several ways. they don't want to accept as they don't want to accept the failure. also, we volunteered ukrainian counter offensive of all these less than military weapons that also they just don't compute it. now what is this going to lead to this inability to learn and i think you all up. so you write. the problem here is the west is not yet ready to concede that it has lost. it caught the band a couple in 2021 because that funds are best and prospective as a risk,

as most for the afghans was a minor defeat and it could basically hide it away. then no, they cannot do this once. they have being defeated openly by russia. this is already happening. but this steven off the moment of truth, the moment forensic would have to admit that, well, cuz this isn't that i, but i think that we can have, i absolutely agree with you, but i think there's a coffee out here. i'll go to angel about this. and, and it was just meant in afghanistan was disciplined. well, that was a 20 year gripped, and a lot of people made a lot of money off that thing. that's why they wanted to keep it going. okay. it wasn't a weight, it wasn't the lose. it was to make a lot of tash ok, the same thing is happening with ukraine right now. i mean, you know, everybody who talks about a november elections and all that, these people are saying how much longer can we keep this group going? that's, i'm sorry, everything was said here is true, but we don't forget that. i mean, this is a, a cash cow angelo. what i think it's the, it's important to keep in mind that the,

the system of, of funding and you know, having a, a deep pocket defective fund, one for young dollars a year was supposed to been as long as there was this, the us dollar had gemini, now the problem is that we are looking clearly there's a detail, reputation happening around the world. many copies are actually bypassing the dollar. they're trading in their own currencies. and so luckily we may see these trend and this will not allow the us to spend as much money. so i think so it's a, we need you to because or for the aspect have a big picture and looking at what is happening in terms of financing terms of exchanges in terms of actually p, but the, the, the, the center of gravity of the what the economy and the world, how it is shifting towards the east. you where these happening? what we look at the collective west is, are they the is what is it like 1520 percent of the of the of the world is nothing . there's a whole world which is waking up out there,

80 percent of the world population. they've been caught a nice deal and i looked at the revised very important. yeah. a lot of people are they confused or confused? they think that the multiple, what would be the, the rest of the, what, what the market point of what it wants to do is to go to the us and the collective west. it was the collect, the west becomes adults more rational, less emotional. there's a big door open because it's not about either you do uh, with us or against us. it's about how we can work together. and i think if we, on the key, we might go into a transition where we have maybe a, some kind of bailouts, a big out of the wisdom economy is trying to find the compromises, but we don't go to war. no, i tell i, i'm sorry i am i the i don't, i don't see it happening either. uh hang on, just because hes, you must never give up. hedge funds never to go ahead and jump in. go ahead. i have

one point about your argument about chris, this is i think to spot on. so the interest in enrichment to your right minute intend us to complex us going fet onto ukraine more. but there's one cabinet to your copier, which is these guys know how to get rich this out any given more. so like you can imagine the future, let me put the lights as my trump becomes president, he actually stops as more. but this did run in massive profits in let me to turn to us through complexes and the labor under which they will do that is no be it has to be ready for wind rush. i was going to attack us in 4 to 8 years. and when you look at best and rest of it now in germany and other parts of fuel, this is actually what they're saying. they're not just talking about the covering for the already prepping the, probably to think of russia is long term cigna against which to boost need a long term. okay. but the rest of it has realized that if you look what's going on in their defense capacities and what they're doing now in cleaning up the defense ministry, they know this is long term. so talk you,

you're telling me that every time there's an election in america, we did john mccain. huh. and i was like but, but yes, it's fine. i mean, what actually actually if i know if i'm, if they're jumping to do it, that they, there's some true to that in the figuratively speaking. this is not washington operate, but do you think in terms of now this is why you are noticing the state department now is announcing when, when can i use your a to your bring in about your grant is about the upcoming elections. what's, what's the americans do not understand? is that the best sort of the, maybe to the complex has been setup since the 1950s. being obsessive has always been to be involved in a conflict not joined or because we trust me. but to drag the conflict for as long as possible to make money, that's what was at the heart of it. now these sensors that the less you post on the

russia backfire completely unexposed as i was a little motion on the financial aspect was marked by war. and on this web the, the upcoming bridge summit in touches on going to be in october of this year. my work is going to be a major announcements on the financial runs. okay. which basic. okay, yeah. you're talking about a common currency. yes. that's the big buzz right now. i got my fingers crossed to, we're rapidly running our time. i um, angelo, they're the estonian president. uh, a lot a caught us. he said we will do everything possible to bring russia and put into their knees. and i read that and i reminded me of the film, the mouse that roared. and so the stony and president sound like he's the, he's from the duchy of grand fenwick. okay. i mean, here's a little a sonya telling the whole world about the power and, and resolve of the west. it seems almost comical. reading a, particularly from a tiny country like that. go ahead angela. well, peter,

do you know how we cold then domestic states or cold? did she, what was states? why? because with this, they kind of maybe they don't have much power. but the, when they bought the make a huge noise and that's the bug states. they are absolutely ready. but the interesting part is that there's a high selected that's the if you look at the parking space on the, my big, tiny. and they should be depending on the neighbors, russia, what did they do? i saluted them stuff from russia and i saw from china because they managed to make me out of china because they started with k one. that's just up. so i, i think it again, those elected leaders that was actually pre selected by be in the back in the, in the, wasn't going on for him by the way, or the not working for the country. they'll keep against their own interest. it is time to jump and copy stuff. well, those lead the stuff working for their own interest, but add to add to those leaders that this is what i, you know, with this the scholarship talks about the lead capture, you know,

and only the bare bucks he works for washington. she doesn't work for the german people. she's even said that we have an entire european class that has been subjugated by washington. and they don't give a hoot about their own people. and that is, gives me reason to be optimistic because eventually people will get fed up about it . you know, losing an afghanistan didn't change the price of eggs in europe in america, losing in ukraine. will the right gentleman, that's just a desk. i will, i'm a big, long winded here to make as all the time we have them. and i want to thank my guests in hong kong is simple and in dallas. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are to see you next time, and remember across on the the

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