we will have to discuss until we reach a consensus. at the same time we exercise diplomacy meeting our partners from the airport all to some air of countries already took part in meetings and brussels today and yesterday to discuss further actions towards enforcing a 2 state solution and creating a posting insight. this issue is undoubtedly linked to ending the worst shipping a cease fire, freeing the hostages, delivering humanitarian aid, and finding a long lasting solution. it is about the reaction of israel to spain and ireland, recognizing the palestinian state. this is a question that should be addressed to their governments, but per the european union. it is quite foolish to accuse the spaniards of anti semitism for that. i believe that unfortunately, israel tends to use the term anti semitism indiscriminately. and this transcends diplomatic decency. we have our disagreements with the us,

especially regarding rulings by the i, c, c. the here appear in union has always insisted that all parties to the issue, including these really governments comply with the decisions of the i c. c. as it is essential for the rules based world order, the same goes for the international court of justice. however, there is different when we're talking about washington's actions. as the u. s. has not enjoyed the rome statute. we are being accused of double standards, and i understand that, however you shouldn't forget that within the you opinions on the ukraine situation differ. it is a popular point of view that russia has unreasonably attacked its neighbor. while at the same time, the palestinian is really conflict is a dispute going back many years with relevant resolutions adopted. so the natures of these conflicts are not the same,

is that still all rulings and decisions must be enforced. whether they apply to the russian president or these really prime minister coming away next page level with the latest episode of cross to can, you can join us for more news updates and 30 minutes. thanks for watching the the hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things are considered on peter lavelle. we are told the by the administration won't change and support their israel even in light of the recent rapid massacre. there are no red lines, only empty words. the international community is rallying to the palestinian cause . meanwhile, the us stands alone in isolation, the

cross talking palestine. i'm joined by my guess, lionel in new york. he is a legal and media analyst in seattle. we have ramsey by road. he is a palestinian author and journalist and in bay we crossed as the bunk grill. lopez . he is a news. this editor for the cradle are a gentleman. crosstalk rules and effect. that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate line. and let me go to you 1st here, john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security establishment for the bite ministration said he was offended by a question that included how many more char babies will it take for the biden administration to consider? his policy, he's offended is that was the only thing to be offended about as we watch all this unfold. how out of touch are these people because i was offended, but he could be offended by a question that reflect like reality go ahead. line on one of the many of us and

the world are offended by charged babies and charged people. so we're on the same page. if you think about this, you know, what's interesting, a gentleman is that this past week, it, it, it occurred to me that in a conversation, you know, anybody can win an argument. if nobody ever pushes back. if you're, if you have a debate and your team, your, your opponent just listens. nothing will ever change. that's what's happening right now. i live as i told you in the 1st bull, what we're talking about right now. i guarantee it was not known or cared about by 90 percent of the people in my country and i would say western we use the word red line, red line has been used to death. i think the administration said we do not want another 30000 on another. does that mean that short of that when i hear when i see the politicians sighing

autographing missiles like it didn't in world war 2 like a layer you nicky. hey i, i, i'm thinking myself, i'm in a, it's me, i'm in a parallel universe because i can't believe, does anybody not realize what's happening here? there's no records. so i'm offended by a myriad of topics. yeah, around 0 and it's really quite interesting. the biden's peer, when i take it costs like $360000000.00 is a, it's all broken up and it's gone to sure. here. i think it's a good metaphor for his entire policy. it's broken, it was never thought out. and it just basically based on lies and deceit. go ahead . as i said, it will be, but just one very quick thing. just commenting on what our friend land, they'll have to say. you know, like, oh, i love you and i love everything. you have to say, but i have to disagree with you on this one. i don't think that there is a massive change happening even in the united states buying energy buying. and i

know that there was a group of kids in the city of seattle where i live at the moment, who decided to do just a simple process downtown, seattle, or the instagram. i attended it. and it was the i was in. so people restaurant owners, people, tories, them, the streets cheering briefly by this time i have been in this country for 25 years in this city for 25 years. i have never seen anything like this. so i think it's the lives of this world who are becoming isolated then it is, suppose i as you like it, when she did what she did, you know, it shows what the most or she is a human being. but a lot of americans are just pausing and asking the question, how is this ok, how was lindsey graham? asking for a bump to be dropped, a nuclear bumped to be dropped over garza ok. so a lot of americans i think developing this, what you were talking about earlier this new consciousness. that's 3. the indicates that there is a major ship happening among ordinary americans that i think this is gonna continue

for the coming period. as for the question of pierre, from the very beginning, we said that this is an american attempt at depriving palestinians or the last line of defense. and that is the real fast. and that's exactly what happened. but luckily, even that little sham of theirs is not working. they're saying the weather broke it down. other things they said, one of the ships gap size or whatever. so there is some sort of a, again, that the americans that play. and by the way, until now, not a single, but it's to me and a has been fed as a result of this american project. yeah. not as the city of a 160 h a, a trucks worth of for getting taken from the, the peer somewhere the disappear. nobody knows what, how the, the more we don't we, this is not going to go any what any, well a, maybe there were people i is rarely protesters the soiled it and threw it away. like we've seen so many of the videos. okay. these are civilians that are given military protection to denied basic needs for the palestinian people,

which is against international law. and it's in violation of the genocide convention, esteban, you know, one of the, another big story that we had in the last few days is that massage was a stocking and intimidating the former prosecutor of the i c. c. now i've never been a big fan of the i c c. but this, this stocking and threatening a judge is mafia tactics and basically, and again it's my own opinion here that we see the mafia behavior in the media, the mafia behavior in congress. we see them off the behavior of too many people in the western alliance and, and, and western europe. this is, there's a lot of mock the behavior going on here and it's being exposed, go ahead. opposite side of it is being a bit exposed by the 30 days themselves. right? because i don't want, i echo what, uh, what, what we've been say so far that we are at this moment of seeing a complete clash between what it's supposed to be international love. what do you

suppose to be, you know, basic human decency and whatever the, where is the, you know, whatever the us government spouts, whatever the cy on these, the institutions just bought over there. and this whole thing with the i c, c persecution. well, you know, cut him kind of prosecutor said himself that on elected western a bishop all them that the h i. c, c is only meant for africa and folks like thinking. and i think about says that all right, we are leaving in a current the reality in which there are laws for some and then it alls for others, right? there obviously pushes for some of the institutions for others. and even with these are these fold ridiculous thing. with the, with the gus up here. right. and there's absolutely no sense in opening up something like that. a creating spending $320000000.00 when there are 7, perfectly. a good ball for writing a blog crossings into gas. i couldn't allow hundreds of trucks to enter every single day what is expected needed, but there's another space doesn't want to see that the right they want to help is

from maintain permanent control of gas and that expense to the political persecution that the i c c judges, and i'm pretty sure so on and off the i c j. now i'll just say i going to be facing because why? because they there ask the question that easy to all of. busy our minds which these are the us and these are all of all international law. that's it. that's the question that is being asked right now. line. oh, you know, i'm a new, i still call it twitter. a new hash tag that's trending is never biden. and of course, it's because of his policy and primarily his policy on palestine within his own party, people that saying he's not doing enough. and the other thing he's doing too much. okay. i mean, what i or need to in, in, for someone that has been very high in the lobbies donations biden is, uh, yeah, i repeat what he's so as, go ahead line. oh yeah i, i must go back and i say that please. dear god or whoever,

i hope i'm wrong. there is a blood brain barrier that sometimes have to remember that what we think gentlemen, are not necessarily what everybody thinks. yes, there are pockets. i don't want to belabor the point there are pockets and that the more sho dare i say appears more good day though. if this means, if this means anything, you don't like it will be j supposedly said, you know, when you've lost peers, morgan, you've lost middle america. but, but there is something and i came across this on the x or twitter and i'm with you peter. i even still use album, so that's my particular frame of reference. but there are pictures that are when you're talking about insinuated babies, they show them. and if i could somehow make, if i could somehow whatever this, this barriers to let the american people know what we're talking about. if they saw this, like they did during the period in vietnam, when they said, do you mean that what's been going on?

it would change everything because there is a strangle hold on information right now more than ever. and they are hoping beyond hope that people do not see the reality of there's a one more thing is an interesting talk about contradictions. we want it international court if it applied to vote, but out of been applied to us. and then we say the incredible technological facility of israel. however, how many times if they said, oops, my bad made a mistake. sorry. yeah. jose address, sorry warriors. how the for, you know, the fault of war, what you're going to be, and then people often time just not and say, well whatever, as they move on to the next story, i hope that's going to be doing a well remedy. they made me if you look at the genocide conventions, yeah, biden blinking sullivan, all the rest of them, their their toadies in europe. they, they are comfortable under the same convention. and i think the beginning to

realize that because the, again, i'm not a big booster of the i c. c, but the icpc is moving. we have the international criminal court. this that's also preceding, this is serious business. and i think people in the west leaders in the west were beginning to realize that they could get caught up into this web ramsey that i think i think what the cutting son has done to everyone by surprise, honestly. because i mean, 54 people were indicted by or arrest warrants were issued for 54 people worldwide says that the court has started. 40 of them are africans, the vast majority of them are from the global cell. so this is a source and this is, this is why they were taken by surprise. that said the i c. c should have moved much earlier considering the paddick that that decision that was created, cutting and cutting knows exactly what's happening because i, he came to the bottom. oh, there used to he's. so what's going on and the other side,

he knows exactly what's happened. it's belated, but it's better late than never. but the question is, is, are the america's actually complicit, or are they directly involved from the very beginning. i've made the, the argument that the americans are directly involved. you can't give this much money. that's right. you cannot sustain this war from the very start and just the polite provide every political, every legal, every moral justification is way up to do what to do and know you are present in gaza. the delta force has been in and out of gauze that the year means that the americans are in garza. they are within then it's a room area which is controlled by as well. in garza, the americans read rather the whole overhead to get you hold that thought, my friend, we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on palestine. stay with our team, the the,

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the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered on peter level to and you were discussing palestine. the this is go back to a son in bay road. you know, this one phrase gives me hope and it, it gives me a sense of dread at the same time, minutes the 2 state solution which, you know, that's the, the fallback position that everyone talks about in mainstream western media, corporate media here. but of course we know that the current prime minister of israel and nothing yeah. who has been a, in fact the israel will never support that biden's minions come out and say that is the goal and all that and, and it doesn't take a whole lot to see. well, what kind of a farce are we going through here? if the administration that is funding and giving diplomatic support for this genocide, i think that it can't get its way. then then what is the, the,

what kind of legal protections that do the binding ministration have when pursuing as policies? cuz obviously it's not going to work if it's partner isn't willing to do this, go ahead and be with as well. exactly. you know, israel themselves have been the 1st to say we will never approve about 2 state solution. because 1st of all, the 2 state solution would have to include the west back and delta 5 was bank of 10 is yours, the name of the policy and copied. so let's not forget that the us in 2020, i believe, recognize these reassign him as he's ready to copy those or they would have to back track on that. and then all of a sudden the road would have to clear out all of these hundreds of westbank settlements that are just chopsticks. olympic stream is similar groups that are used to just, you know, burn down probably steaming on villages up a issue. the policy and yes, kill them with complete impunity. it's all 1st of all the starting over there. that's simply not going to happen. you know, i'd say it's a, it's a pipe dream and these are ridiculous and a statement that it keeps being repeated by european leaders by the us. i see if

it's something that would actually resolve the problem in private. keep talking about over the form of a cd and authority. what does that even mean and how come to publish the end up? all righty. which palestinians themselves do not trust the not, the not considered to have any legitimacy. how can they be that was leading, leading any palestinian government, writing needs to be an actual if they're one, they want it there to be a probably stay, you know, state, it needs to be 1st of all independent. and it needs to be led by all, probably spinning is not just right, the ones that are willing to work alongside israel, so that simply not, not the way out of these the way out of these use for each row to, to, for these writing the, for this i am, is project to be on the or these to be on the on for power stein, threat to regain all of these very sorry. and then you know, all of these really serious as well, once the remainder, the remainder, right? uh they will have all of the productions moving along side. we just say add s the boxes, esteban, there's even

a simpler solution. they can apply for palestinian citizenship. okay. and that, that's one way also to do that. okay. i don't understand why i owe for 75 years. it's a big the accepted bid. palestinians must become zine as well. white. why can some jews become palestinian citizens? okay. it works both ways. okay. you're like, oh is it as we go towards the election year? and i already talked about the never buying movement. it's very interesting. i mean, i, i agree with you. there's like, it's this whole story. it's a control controlled. i burn, sorry for the metaphor here about how americans are supposed to consume this, but fewer and few people watch cable tv. i don't watch it anymore. it's a waste of time. okay, there's so many other good sources of information out there. and you brought up peers, morgan for your peers market just shows the farce of this duplicity. he does it for us. okay. because he's not very smart and he just looks at headlines and he throws in. well, he's not okay. i mean, it's

a tabloid guy. that's what he is. all right. but he brings on some pretty interesting people and they just show it back into his face. he really doesn't know what to do about it. go ahead, vinyl. well, a couple of things here, hearkening back a gentlemen to 911. there's one thing i've learned, then i can only speak about the 1st of all. we don't want to hear a lot of specifics about names, and who is it is a ppo a. but that was in the authority or her minds and the guys already, we don't wanna hear about this. give her something like terrorism. i'll kind of, that's it. that will do it. now we just say from us. and what somebody will say is, we don't care where how mazda is. now, what does that mean? that means that if we, if there was one hint if, if, if 2 hamas leaders, or perhaps it kept saying in a 10 somewhere where ever they are, wherever they are, that gives us cardboard to eliminate them. now that it sounds spacious, but to most people you mentioned it kaylee. okay,

that sounds good enough because we have to on do this as though it is a place as though. but it just seemed as though there was a headquarters with uniforms and chevrons in a general and a leader. somebody said, what time, years ago the fighting terrorism is like trying to catch smoke with your hands. sounds great. but as long as these terms are used, and as long as i'm, i'm sorry, but as long as the wrong people don't understand that there are human beings involved in this. this will continue, but i've never felt more hopeful than i do right now. they about 18 years and they're actually right. let me, let me go to ramsey right now they can use all of the labels they want. but when you see a disfigure child, a chart, baby, all those labels go out the window because any decent human being is horrified by and it would makes it more horrible, is it? it can be stopped. okay, it can be stopped. go ahead and say, ramsey. i think it's, there is we are the custom of

a historic moment. not only because of the change that is happening regarding the perception of palestine, not because of the way that even all the people now st. palestinians have the right to resist and to defend themselves. i've never thought that that moment was even possible in my lifetime. but something else is also happening. we are challenging mainstream media. it's used to be something that we did a theory. we used to talk about it as an academic possibility, but now mainstream media is being side line in favor of a different type of media with the social media, independent media. people are communicating industry and sending emails and news this them every other way. we have actually managed to change the global consciousness around palestine using a completely different medium of communication. aside from that very tightly controlled mainstream, corporate media. and i don't think that they would be able to reverse this because as a whole, different upper right. this has been at work for years and years and years and i

think is gonna pay off. it's in fact it is already paying on it in regarding goals that policy. i think it's only going to accelerate. okay. because a in the, this whole of the, the genocide is actually just another issue that so many people feel marginalized with because of neo liberalism. and this is given the younger generation, something they need to break the shackles. i mean, they lie about this, then they probably are lying about just about everything else, which of course they are as about inmate route. as we all know that spain norway, in ireland recently recognized palace, palestine as a state. oh, oh, literally you know, and but, but better late than never, i mean a 140 other countries that were ahead of them. but of course this, these, these are american satellites. so this is an important to but the, the is really president cods turned around and basically said these are anti semitic count does. how does that work anymore? i asked this question about this program being accused of anti semitism. yeah,

that's a pretty nasty thing to be accused, but of course it is banned either about without any real meaning it's just a, a slower go ahead. it's 100 percent, you know, use that without any meaning at this point. but suddenly we, you're seeing that even now in the, in you as always, being and try and, and they sent me a decent, is also a pre existing will be used for right now, you cannot read this idea. no, because all of a sudden you're, you're on by send me right here because it really sites that you as. busy them and thought your life, but you guys don't there be criticizing israel and i think this is really, you know, like i, we, we are reaching a point the history that are there is not thrown around. there is no way back. there is no putting virginia back into bottles right anymore. try to in the, i think uh, you know, a when uh it nice all things to, well, the fact that we are currently connected all the time, right. i, we are seeing a lot of these massacres. we're seeing like these attacks on our phones. we do not need cnn. we don't need fox news. we don't need any news network to tell us what is happening. we can see it or sales. and i think that has been big game changer,

right? the democratic sation of information and of course there's always gonna be that they have to silence it like not calling anyone would there's great size. these are all a non bi semis, but that seem to doesn't have to wait. it does a used to have anymore. i would imagine in the west maybe i'd be more right. uh if people who, who is employers, maybe it may be willing to fire someone for being a non bi same i. but other than that, it's just, you know, empty talk at this point is empty rhetoric and he's sadly, even the jewish population out there you go. with that, he's realizing that the western governments are using their jewish, their joyousness, and right there are the fibers are, chose to justify change the site to just the fire war machine to justify the mass murder of children. and of course, they don't want that. what, what do you want that, what was the one that your identity, 3 types of genocide, you know, line or you know, you over the years you and i have made light of the younger generation with some of their attitudes and, and lifestyles, etc, etc. but i, i, i were

a very god said this younger generation of dogs and you know, and thank goodness for young american jews they, they, they were showing the sight of judaism, that is real and not design is crime that they want design this want to wrap them all into under one umbrella with and they're telling us that is not true. and i think that is a huge change for congress as an american jews have set up for the right thing. and i'm very proud of them go headlines. you know, i do remember a while back quite a bit, but he mentioned salo lensky, all of a sudden, over 90 was like, that's a typical salo lensky movie. go who do? i, how would follow lensky? well anyway, he became the, the, the patriarch of, of all things left as well. i wouldn't be the salo inskeep, and here's my number one rule. if you are an anti semite, if you are a racist pray as much as you can, that they use the word racism and anti semitism to the point where it gets such

a metal that he said it becomes meaningless. then you can move in. it's like reducing resistance to bacteria with anybody out of the word means nothing. so if there ever is true anti semitism, if there is a racism, nobody, there is a how are you doing that? again? it goes, no, no this, i mean it, this time is cry wolf. lastly, did you notice how harvard university for the 1st time this week said we're not going to be involved in any kind of matters of concern? so watch it in your friends when you you what? yes, we figured a way around as we here, bye. are going to pull back and not be involved because you've got donors, you've got students and just students aren't budging at all. they are, they're having diplomas. and and um and um, i guess, uh, the problem is withheld or for risk of such the young people i'm with you peter. this is the spirit of that 6 these. they love it, and the more you push against them, the more they fight back, which makes me, yeah,

but you know, but why don't we, you know, it's really interesting is that this is a moral cause. okay. we're not talking about artichokes or inflation. we're talking about what, because when i watch all this i'm, i'm losing my own humanity in this program i have here across stock is a way for me to say it's not we, it's all look at this and with honestly and not lose our heart humanity and i think that's what's most important gentleman so much to discuss, but so little time i want to thank my guests in new york, seattle, and be rude. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our team. so your next time and remembered across the rules, the as a result of why it was can be started by lines. these can be expanded by true

importance of we can never be kind of a station, so that transparency is extraordinary. john mystic patrice then just succeeded in finding documents that existed in making them available to the was public. i mean, what could be more moving back by publishing information and sharing information with the public. he was exercising the right to free speech. he did so in the public interest was so long realized, tends to me, uh and, and, and honestly, to relate to seriously, i know why advice may assume that no one who is the guy that illegal anymore wisely voltage us has to be on boss weighing a 175 used to go through the sentence. are we going to lift that?

the same as the most massive 10 route detect with us to attack it was miss solves on the core, i mean bridges with a flight time of less than 2 minutes. part of the missiles with shut down russia into steps they flew with us, made missiles over the crime in bridge as it west and from beat increase is in favor of allowing kids to swine deep into russian territory. we will continue to promote peace talks in our own way. stay in communication with all parties and work together to build the conditions per political settlement of the cleaning crisis. trying to refuses to participate in a sweet peace conference on you pray. next amongst the finding the little signs off, the conflicts must be involved and.