in the river and to see where the boy writes, i know what i mean. do you mean i missed all the cottage the we can see on social media and not on the nato nation propaganda media. you have been the huge the into is by the protests across campus is right across the united states. but if you have this house of palestine, i mean, you don't think the us security forces will targeted like it targeted the students at the campuses in the georgetown or who knows what the other side is going to do. i mean, we need to do what we need to do. i think the like the, you know, the student, the student initiatives that have been, have raised the hallways that this, they've raised the level of discourse of palestine and, and in this country are far above and beyond. anybody would have expected and more than anybody else. as and i think they have contributed to this drive up to 3 palestine more than anyone in this country. and there was a fantastic conference with people conference for palestine in detroit, which came out of that movement that it was attended by thousands and then any but

anybody who was there agreed it was the best event a conference for palestine ever held. and so the, our, our little, our part in this, in this entire strategy is if you will, to take the blog and put it in the socket. and others were in the capitol. we are a stones throw from, uh, from the capital. and we need to enter those spaces where the citizen being made these insulated areas inside of the spaces that were not being heard. i mean you, we could have a 1000000 people in the streets and then and there. and then there's still a selling weapons in allowing that and allowing this, the genocide of this list for, if it massacred to could to continue. so our i c responsibility is the people who care for justice and treat them, you know, to figure out a way to enter those spaces and push this agenda forward again, demanding the dismantling of apartheid and establishing around 3 call side a don't craddick states from the river tennessee have been calling, but as long as he doesn't mass of it, and you think you can draw a connection between, say,

the campus protests and initiatives like that. with the bizarre moment in history, where biden appeared to be saying, a 2000 pound bomb shouldn't be sent to that in yahoo. i don't know whether more which ends in any case because a $1000000000.00 of more weapons have been signed off for from the american public money to is rarely in any case. but just that little mention of the fact that one bomb had not been sent to israel. positively trying to please the bass. probably, i mean there's a lot of pressure in the democratic party. there's lot of pressure. i mean, the democratic convention is coming up and it's and, and i think the city of chicago is going to be a repeat of history is going to complete the task. people are demanding change. people are demanding, recognizing that there isn't a part time to convert pipeline is being perpetrated and the front of genocide is being perpetrated in that. and they want to see the leaders respond so sadly in response so far has been so completely, you know,

pale and ineffective. and the best they can do is like you say, deny of seeing a particular bomb, but i mean, they're aligned this bloodletting, this vicious massacre. this is, this is the genocide. so this think, i mean i don't deal with the words and the failure sometimes to go on in broad daylight and, and, and, and the thing is the conversation has to change. there has to be a tipping point. we have to bring it to a tipping point where people discuss the end of apartheid and established me establishment of the free positive for that over to the seat as main street. what was it just didn't have a conference of people conference on palestine just recently in detroit, was this that was the main stream. we had thousands of participants that were there . some of the most brilliant young speakers, many of them were and about at this point. and outside of that circle completely announce maybe working on the video. i know, and that was the main street. that was a discussion and i've been to several of the students and cabins on through here

across united states. and the conversation is the same. divest, divest they're demanding their campuses divest. the rest of that is a step in the just not think of a part time. so it's a recognition of apartheid and a demand for a free palestine from the river to the sea. this is what the students are demand a 10 and the end that's more important than i know audience figures it down, but i read the notes fox news channel repeatedly claiming if your in any way and supported by the time you are pro hamas pro october the 7th, the resistance attack, and as you know, the congress is unanimous in its support for 0. the exam i the, the problem i don't see, i don't see any problem with either one of those due statements. i mean, the policy and resistance is a legitimate, this one, the resistance of the, the attacks of, of the policy and resistance operation. october 7 was a, bring them to actually get, sorry, mean, i didn't mean it in that way. i read it, would they see the equation? there? you go by lexical and basically october, the 7th, the something on the side of

a i says, the hash, which you go as many people have written about as being a c, i a cause has operation right now. i mean, they're going to see what they're going to say, but eventually we know that is because we've been around long enough that those who called and also monday latera is then when do you know, begging for an audience with him when he was president and wanted to shake his hand, and that's always true, seems to turn on. this is exactly what's going to happen now, and i believe very strongly that if these initiatives continue, if the student initiatives continue, if are also in house of freedom, you know, we know we, we, we, we do that, we do our work, then we, this is going to be the tipping point and this conversation is going to change very quickly here in washington dc, which is where most decisions are being made about. like you said, most of the genes about palestine are being made here, you know, at the capital and then the white house. so i really believe that that is, whatever they claim now is, is irrelevant because they're going to change their tune once uh once,

once things turn around. now there's no question about that. yeah, and there's corporate media and corporate board. politicians slowly begin to change a little and realize or maybe admit what they knew anyway, the genocide was taking place. do you think there's a greater right recognition that i mean, if israel i to use mental illness as a e, a as a way to talk about it, found it after the holocaust in your of it's the selling of the ohms. it's a sending of the weapons that is enabling this. they're just going to end up blaming israel is we can see from certain western european countries, probably going israel, that single it's not just the israel is, is by any means or no, of course not. i mean americans, bread, so i mean, they all receive the design is education. so, you know, on both sides of the atlantic, people go up the design is even if they don't know, even if they can't articulate,

you know that what was honest exactly means designed to say that education system here, trains people leads people to design is there's no question about it, you know, they know everything about the holocaust, they know everything about the biblical stories and everything about the jews and so on. and so far they know nothing about who you mean from hollywood to novel is to the whole not way. culture. excellent. and in textbooks they are, they are designed as the organizations across every state here and united states that examine the textbooks. and one of the teachers have their social studies conferences and so forth. they all day with a curriculum providing, you know, curricula for the to the store, these teachers that then they teach their students. so it's in the schools. it's a lot of calls you like decided to in the movies. it's him, it's everywhere. it's in the news of course and the politics. so americans got these honest and there is a big challenge. of course, they've been with this for a 100 years pushing this gender forward. and so once you get to that point where it, where people, honestly it's already designed is it's very easy to justify sending weapons to the

only jewish day to you know, another people who came back from the holocaust ends on soap, on the inside of narrative. it's very easy to do that. of course it's not just as read all the dot. i'd be quite happy with israel with the 5 i being dismantled. well, let me get onto that. let me get onto that. i mean, your grandfather, famous thing, was one of the 37 who signed off the creation of israel. do you think now we are watching the beginning of the end of his route? and i think, you know, you're not publish this quite eloquently recently as a historian and people who watch our interview with him recently. and so he, exactly, so he's a very sick, he lives a, this is as his story and he believes that the honest historians will in the future talk about this period. as you know, the 1st signs of the client of zionism and you know, i don't know if i'm the mistake, i do think that the potential is there. i think the potential for the end desires and then or a technician around the world designs um there should be 0 tolerance design isn't

because literally erase it as genocide light, the ology to produce the races, but just dial state. so i think if we do our job as people have confidence around the world and we will see an end to this very sad chapter and the history of palestine and they will again, or they will collapse in, in a real estate pos that will emerge after it and replace it, but i think it a lot of it depends on, on, on what we do and whether or not um and whether or not we do our job, you know, fast because we don't wanna waste any more time. are we seeing the end of the phrase, the 2 state solution, which i maintain the as an excuse for the genocide, that's what the lead is of the countries say. why to excuse the other side a well, it's a serious loss actually. no, that's exactly the problem. we have not seen the end of that phrase. we still see the bernie sandra tied sanders types of liberals, i in his talk about a just a solution and, and, and so forth. and that's again precisely what our mission needs to be done before you guys do is to provide them with a context. so people understand that that why that is absurd. why the notion of

separating talestine is absurd. why historically, i mean, realistically job is done. and historically, it's not the right thing to do and politically, it's, if it's an impossibility. so our role is to educate the people around these, these figures to make sure that they understand why they can no longer say this, why it's unacceptable. because the 2 state solution legitimize is design is, and legitimize is everything that happened from 1947 until, you know, until 1967 this, the 9067 was different than what happened before that, you know, we're approaching on the, on the anniversary of the 9067 is early solved on its neighbors of in june of 1967, in which as you know, my father was, was, it was one of the generals. so that up to educate the people to give them the context, understand and to see and to explain and again to push forward why the tuesday solution is absolutely the wrong thing to talk about. it's absurd, it is, it is,

it is immoral. it leads to nothing and it really provides like you say, provides a fig leaf to the ongoing genocide. whereas, and i get, i don't even know what the benefits or what the virtue of, of that would be even if it was possible. whereas a single democracy between the river and the sea and everybody is like the phrase, the river and the see, you know, and that's or palestine is. i don't know what other place dollars 9 is if not to do live in the seats, but between the river jordan and the drain and a real democracy, real free palestine where they go, right? that should be the conversation and that's what we're pushing for makeup of that. i'll stop you. the more from the grandson of a signature you do is rolls. that'd be $48.00 creation. after this break the the hello and welcome defrost of full force. here we discussed some real in the on march the 22nd 1943. during the great pantry, i'll take the shirts and munch fatality and 118 run down the battle,

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a show and i'm with them. you as customers to meet with the d. classify criminal cases from the central archive of the k g b, a better rules shed light on the atrocity analysis and numerous questions that have remained on on said for many years, watch on it, see the welcome back to going on the right. i'm still here with me go pilot, the grandson of a signatory to israel's 1948 creation. the maker we were talking about perhaps the end of the israel, as we know it. how people in israel reacting to ongoing events previously. they well, one, the labor party chief in israel morales, a metro said that yahoo and bing, via the people in power in the telling me right now, helped us asked neighbor being how close is netanyahu to assassination?

well i thing i don't think is most as an issue at all. i think he's the exactly what is the central it's want him to do is what do they want more as well? i actually with a little more because they both are, they do is massive green people by, you know, by, you know, as much as even the, i think possible. and so i think he's doing exactly what people want, the only the only people who oppose him or people that wants his seat. but it's not for political ideological reasons. and i mean, it is really, society biologics stands behind the genocide. they've always to, behind the genocide, i mean it's been going on since is always established and the vast majority is why society always stood behind it. there is some kind of, i think, a sickness that is, that exists in races, genocide, societies as bridges of just societies that are raised and brought up and educated to be racist and genocide all as well. these are certainly not the 1st. hopefully they'll be the last, but that is the reality. and i think and as an yahoo, nothing else seems to be politically, at least very safe. they're using exactly what his constituents want. you're saying

couldn't be was or it's difficult to say it, but it causes, you know, in washington we've had lindsey graham, senior, the senator, we've had one day during michigan. talk about the use of nuclear weapons to destroy gaza, even though they're being multiples of hiroshima is of the n d dropped on a british american you nation weaponry on to gaza. how will is rail react as it seemingly lose? is this war against hamas, or his own members of the resistance who are clearly surviving while the women and children and civilians? the man uh, being slow since i don't think israel's objective is do is to to see the boston resistance. i think it was objective is to kill as many boston awesome and then that they've been very successful. so when people say, as well as losing on my front i, you know, i have to question that because the objective is nice to see if there is

a stance. i don't think anybody thanksgiving realistic, a realistic expectation that that will ever happen. so it takes time and action, but its extermination is, genocide is the holocaust. they are they, they wants to execute a complete all the costs against the cost in and people them and they're doing it as we can see without any interruption. you don't see any, any uh, elements here, all of israel being used by certain people in the right in the united states for trying to get a why that war with iran. that clearly failing, given new alliance is being forged here in west asia between savvy rapier and iran, and syria are and so forth. did it surprise you? iran's response calibrated response to the attack on the consulate in damascus. and the way that this region is not being provoked by the here we're thinking imagery into the why that will. yeah, i don't think is what was being used,

i think is ro is doing exactly what it was always doing and it wants to do. was it again, exterminate, eliminate the cost in that people as to the, you know, the right hand response, it's always been measured. it's always been responsive. they've always been, you know, been responsible in their, in their, in their responses to these really provocation. and they continue essentially to, to, to do that. so i don't thing, i think maybe there are people who want to see some kind of a do or yes, destruction of the entire region. but i, like i said, i think, i think the point thing is to focus on ending the genocide of the past in the people by dismantling the regime dismantling apartheid. you know, this is an example. we talk about sanctions and di investments and so forth. steve, i just had their, their, their congress and thailand a couple weeks ago. and then all these kind of, you know, behind the scenes conversations about kicking out israel. i don't know what they're waiting for. what is, what more does it need to do before us? it's, it's, it's kicked out of all these organizations,

the outlet of organizations, this is to me and one of the bigger problems is there's not enough pressure on these organizations to kick is really loud. um they only just match or is it sort of appeal of influence at elections around the like, visa international, caucasian quote. it was called until recently. i mean, the response of to the court was talking about the genocide and rafa was to give israel another month to carry it out. is this a little just mood music but don't really help the actual resistance because we see the pictures of what happens every time, every time these judges speak more children account. you know, it reminds you. and if you think of, you know, when hitler was, was massacring jews, you know, can you imagine somebody say you have one months to show us that you're going to stop or ask me for a cease fire?

i mean, what i, i, this is absurd is an absolutely kind of a certain field or why are we, why are they waiting for them? why are they giving them more time? why are they giving them the option to negotiate a ceasefire? when there's a genocide going on, you come in and you ended the 6th sleep, but it was maybe a 6 week isn't draining and they can stop it right now. they could have prevented office and provide the, you know, the urgency manager and i care to the policy and as in gaza and open the gates. i mean, the only reason that a manager in crisis and guys is because it's a prison. people are bringing, you know, thousands of trucks stuck in in rough hop in egypt instead of opening the gates and letting people go into 1948 palestine where there's all the food, all the water, automatic look at it could possibly want a 10 minute drive away you know, the conversation is so ridiculously skewed and then again, instead of instead of asking user to agree to a ceasefire, and that's giving them another month to prove this re and it now. so the costing is,

are not killed anymore. open the guy down, gates destroyed his prison, live to see just let people live. but no, israel has to be given all of these. and i gave him, can you imagine when he was in power doing that, giving him all these, you know, giving all these opportunities to continue to kill as the killing goes on. there's not even a pause in the, in the, in the killing of people. and as for risk suffering and this, this entire sadistic um, you know, reality the, that we see in front of a very i, a 10 minute drive. east. any point in regard to the strip is water. this food is medical care, the best medical care we can the, you know, policies don't need to suffer. there's no reason whatsoever for them to suffer open the goddamn gates and, and eliminated the part time. that's the key here. but that's the last thing. people want to talk about, what do you think egypt has a role and so yeah. can i explain the situation for those people to not being to the region, to gaza, to that border, this fake name philadelphia,

colorado just thought up might be as read. it can be egyptians not just open the border with gaza instead of all this bland, which is ro, there's not, there's not be there on the other side. the roof is what, what's on the desert. the other side of rough off is a desert design. i visit, there's nothing there. you know, a 10 minute drive east. there's like, you know, and it ties the entire country at the developed country with hospitals and cities of town everywhere. i mean a 10 minute drive east out of the guys a straight bottom. any point, you know, there will be, the angel is worth it. separate it opening the opening rough uh where the weight is . okay, but there's nothing on the other end of the desert, the desert, or if you can, and that's the same as facilitating the expulsion, enforceable removal of all these 2000000 people from gaza and just leaving them to be stranded like they are in, in high branch of teas up. why is it, why is it that hasn't been more international resistance attacks in solidarity?

what is the, i mean clearly be, i suppose you'd say that the 5 to appear, low leadership is completely discredited. but why is it, we're not seeing this conflict wide in the tool and just this enclose area of 2000000 people being starved to death or bomb to death without any other resistance. a violent resistance, as i suppose, mandela would have advocated during the fight had struggled abroad as well as at home as well. no, this really is really centralize it. another part of the country are completely paralyzed because of the because of the attacks by, by eliminated by his law. so there is the bad thing. i have a good price in there and there is a pain enterprises and the nurse with this little tiny policy because doing everything they possibly can. prostate is exist in a maximum security prison. and so they're doing everything they possibly can. their janine is novelist, the northern west bank and many other forms of resistance with boston is use that are on arms. i, you know, the, the emphasis needs to be on us. i mean, i think the,

that help is way to come for the outside. you know, you mentioned monday alongside patrick of the soviet block. they have the and on the line countries that have cuba, sunday tanks on dollar, you know, we don't live in that world anymore where there's where there's somebody who can support the street. you know, it's just as the liberation and palestine. so it's up to ask people of conscience just anywhere around the world to stand up and demand that are that there, there are governments do the right thing. and they're not going to the right thing unless be forced to force them to do it. and so which, which they want. and we as regards who is going to win the election in the us in november, both sides of bank ruled by supporters of israel. so that would have much effect and is an immense amount of money to be made out of binding babies and be heading babies as britain in the united states and the, your nation weaponry is causing it to be slow. this graduates action to take effect by then rather like the i c j a way of trying to stop this one,

they will be killed. yes, that's a tough question. i mean, there are things are moving way too slow of course. and you know, you, you start something, you don't know how long it's going to take. but um, yeah, i mean, this is, it's, it's worth it situation where you see it as you see it as far as the bloodletting take place. and you, the best thing you can do is um, altogether, you know, start a campaign and start to protest in organized city and, and so on. it's, it's, it's, it's, it's horrifying. it's actually all fine. but you write these things are going to be the process is very, very slow. but the hope is that if enough players participate in enough organizations participate and enough countries take part in this. and there's enough pressure that every little these are pressure a bit of pressure eventually it will bring it to collapse. and just, i just finally, just finally on that, the optimistic no, to low as you say it is low. is it the end of any moral authority from nature

propaganda? media? i don't know what you've got. i mean, you'd probably be too busy now organizing hand, trying to prevent the genocide to watch who knows. but um, cnn, bbc c, comcast, sky news. if you've been watching that coverage, is it the end of any kind of moral authority from diesel to media organizations? the new york times of course, which printed the fake stories of, of sexual crimes being systematically perpetrated by a resistance groups. is it the end? is this more the end of the that kind of media as being, having any respect? well, well, i don't know that they haven't years snags that are on the, i don't know that they're not a model assigned to anybody. it was a little bit longer. an analytic perspective realizes that it's been, there's that there's never been any, any moral stance the bodies leave about, you know, my, my, my problem is that it's not just that, you know, it's, it's the, you know, other countries are still maintaining good relations with israel and they might say something, but like most of the bricks,

countries are still having. they have good relations with israel, not, not, they haven't all done great overflows, the embassies and keeps that these are invested there is, i need expect that that would be perhaps some kind of response, but that's, that's slow to take place. and so, you know, my, my, my, my, i have low expectations for the nato countries. i have more expect vision from, from the african countries, asian countries. you know, the brakes alliance, which you will, um, to be the counter to the, to take the place of, of, of what used to be, again, the soviet bloc and so on, that, that stood with, with nations that were finding, finding. so the variation and that's uh, that's not there yet, so i'm hoping that it will be, but i think, i think again, i think, you know, we have to have hope we have to be optimistic on the boston hands are looking at what is happening on campus is around the world of students in gaza and they're realizing that somebody's 90 was i'm even was all orchard but they're suffering make up for that. i'm much it may go for that. thank you later. thank you,

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the hello and welcome to crossed i bullhorn. so i'm peter lebow. here we discussed some real news of the escalation, louder nato inches closer to war with russia and a desperate attempt to salvage its failing ukraine. project also will be american people, a left, a convicted felon president. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's the pod counselor at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals and americans. we have martin j. he is an award winning journalist and commentator. i gentleman cross up roles in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it. it's kicked us off with george in budapest. you know, george, we've heard we have this mean what record regarding the ukraine,