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the washington rules based order in russia, china, the global south only can only cli politically and strategically. now pursuing pods, independence of nato nations isn't now the beginning of the end of israel, just as vitamin trump fight over. who is the figurehead for the beginning of the end of us and by me go to the founder of palestine. has a freedom and author of the general sun journey of an israeli and palestine full of trees, rarely special forces before becoming a powerful voice for peace. he joins me again from washington dc because so good to see you again. i benefit us, ask you about houses, the house of peace house of palestine. what does this new initiative as well as my house a free and dotted free? uh, as we call in arabic, uh, it's an initiative to 1st of all have a space in washington dc. a central high profile place and why should they see the carriers of boston and flag that um, there hasn't been a policy in flight of washington dc and it's high time. so this and the symbolism

is important. and then to, um, we're working to make sure that the content inside the building, which is quite a substantial uh space that we have um functions to change the narrative and to change the conversation. washington dc from a very pro design hist between proud to liberals i in as the conversation discourse to a scars that cost with this matching of a part side. and this now there's lots of a real democracy between the river and the see where they go rights. i know, i mean, i mean it's still the cottage the we can see on social media and not on the nato nation propaganda media. you have been the huge the into is by the protests across campus is right across the united states. but if you have this house of palestine, i mean, you don't think the us security forces will target it, like it targeted the students at the campuses in georgetown or who knows what the other side is going to do. i mean,

we need to do what we need to do. i think the like the, you know, the student, the student initiatives that have been, have raised the hallways that this, they've raised the level of discourse about palestine and, and in this country are far above and beyond. anybody would have expected and more than anybody else. as and i think they have contributed to the strength of your palestine more than anyone in this country. and there was a fantastic conference with people, the conference for palestine in detroit, which came out of that's the movement that it was attended by thousands and then any but anybody who was there a great it was the best event, a conference for palestine ever held. and so the, our, our little, our part in this, in this entire strategy is if you will, to take the blog and put it in the socket. and others were in the capitol. we are a stones throw from, uh, from the capital. and we need to enter those spaces where decisions are being made is insulated areas inside of the spaces that we're, we're not being heard. i mean, you, we could have a 1000000 people in the streets and then and there. and then there's still

a selling weapons in allowing that and allowing this, the genocide of this list, or if it mastic or to could to continue. so our i c responsibility is the people who care for justice and treat them. you know, to figure out a way to enter those spaces and push this agenda forward again, demanding that is managing of apartheid and establishing burrell free cost. i don't graphics, they from the river, tennessee calling, but as long as he doesn't mass of it, do you think you can draw a connection between say, the campus protests and initiatives like that. with the bizarre moment in history, where biden appeared to be saying, a 2000 pound boom shouldn't be sent to net and yahoo! i don't know whether more was ends in any case because a $1000000000.00 of more weapons have been signed off for from american public money to is rarely in any case. but just that little mention of the fact that one bomb had not been sent to israel. positively,

the trying to please the base probably, i mean, there's a lot of pressure in the democratic party. there's lot of pressure. i mean, the democratic convention is coming up and is, and, and i think a city of chicago is going to be a repeat of history is going to be complete. chaos. people are demanding change. people are demanding, recognizing that there isn't the parts are the kinds of apartheid is being perpetrated and the front of genocide is being perpetrated and, and they want to see that leaders response. so sadly, the response so far has been so completely, you know, pale and ineffective. and the best they can do is like you said, the nice thing, a particular bomb, but i mean, they're aligned this bloodletting, this vicious massacre. this is the genocide. so this thing, i mean not only are the words and the failure sometimes to go on in broad daylight and uh and, and, and the thing is the conversation has to change. there has to be a tipping point. we have to bring it to a tipping point where people discuss the end of apartheid and establish me

establishment the free pause back to the, to the see as main street. what was it just didn't have a conference of people conference on palestine just recently in detroit. was this that was the main stream. we had thousands of participants that were there. some of the most brilliant young speakers, many of them were and about those point and outside of the circle completely unknown, maybe weren't on the video. i know. and that was the main street that was a discussion, and i've been to several of these students and cabins on through here across united states. and the conversation is the same. divest, divest they're demanding their campuses divest. investment is a step in the just not think of a part time. so it's a recognition of apartheid and a demand for a free palestine from the river to the sea. this is what the students are demand a 10 and the end that's more important than i know it didn't speak as a down. but ribbon load or fox news channel repeatedly claiming if your in any way and supported by the time you pro, how mass pro october, the 7th, the resistance attack. and as you know,

the congress is unanimous in its support for as well. for example, i don't know my problem, i don't see, i don't see any problem with either one of those do statements. i mean the policy and resistance is a legitimate to this on the resistance of the attacks of, of the policy and resistance operation. october 7 was a brand of the extra gap, sorry, i mean, i didn't mean it in that way. i read, you know, they see the equation there, you go by lexical, and they say october, the 7th, the something on the side of a i says, the hash, which you go as many people have written about as being a c, i a cause has operation. i don't know, i mean they're going to see what they're gonna say, but eventually we know that it's because we've been around long enough that those who called nelson mandela terrorist then when you know, begging for an audience with them. he was president and wanted to shake his hand and that's always really seems to turn on. this is exactly what's going to happen now. and i believe very strongly that if these initiatives continue, if the student initiatives continue, if are also in house of freedom, you know,

we always, we, we, we do the, we do our work, then we, this is going to be the tipping point. and this conversation is going to change very quickly here in washington dc, which is where most decisions are being made about. like you said, most of the things about past that are being made here, you know, at the capital and then the white house. so that i, i really believe that that is whatever they claim now is, is irrelevant because they're gonna have to change their tune. once, once, once things turn around, no, there's no question about that. yeah. and there's corporate media and corporate board. politicians slowly begin to change a little and realize or maybe admit where they knew any way the genocide was taking place. do you think there's a greater right recognition that i mean, if israel i to use mental illness as a e, a as a way to talk about it, found it after the holocaust in europe. it's the selling of the ohms. it's

a sending of the weapons that is enabling this. they're just going to end up blaming israel is we can see from certain western european countries proudly going israel to the sequel. it's not just the israel is, is by any means. you know, of course not. i mean, americans briggs, i mean, they all receive it as honest education. so, you know, on both sides of the atlantic, people grow up, being zine is even if they don't know, even if they can't articulate, you know that what was honest exactly means they're designed to say that education system here, trains people, leads people to design is there's no question about it, you know, they know everything about all cause it and everything about the biblical stories and everything about the jews and so on. and so far they know nothing about who mean from hollywood to novel is to the whole not way. culture is excellent and, and textbooks they are, they are designed as the organizations across every state here and united states that examine the textbooks and the teachers have their social studies conferences and so forth. they all day with a curriculum providing, you know,

curricula for the to the school, these teachers that then they teach their students. so it's in the school. it's in the college i decided to, in my movies, it's a, it's everywhere. it's and the news of course and the politics. so americans got these honest and then it is a big challenge. of course, they've been with this for a 100 years pushing this agenda forward. and so once you get to that point where it, where people, honestly it's already design is it's very easy to justify sending weapons to the only jewish day to the, you know, another people who came back from the holocaust and so on. so from the entire narrative, it's very easy to do that. of course it's not just as read all the dot. i'd be quite happy with israel with the apartheid being dismantled. well, let me get onto that. let me get onto that. i mean, your grandfather, famous thing, was one of the 37 we signed off the creation of israel. do you think now we are watching the beginning of the end of his route? and i think, you know, you wanna publish this, go ahead eloquently, recently as a historian neighborhood, watch our interview with him recently. and so he,

exactly, so he's very sick, he lives a, this is as his story and he believes that the honest historians will in the future talk about this period. as you know, the 1st signs of the client of zionism and you know, i don't know if i'm that optimistic. i do think that the potential is there. i think the potential for the end desires and the end or condition around the world designs um there should be 0 tolerance design isn't because literally a racist genocide like the ology that produce the races. but does, i will say. so i think if we do our job as people have confidence around the world and we will see an end to this very sad chapter in the history of palestine and they will again, or they will collapse in a real free pastime, will emerge after it. and replace it, but i think in a lot of it depends on, on, on what we do and whether or not um and whether or not we do our job, you know fast because we don't wanna waste any more time. are we seeing the end of the phrase, the 2 state solution,

which i maintain the as an excuse for the genocide, that's what the lead is of countries say, want to excuse the other side or when it's a signal is lost. sadly, no, that's the problem. we have not seen the end of that phrase. we still see the bernie sandra tied sanders types of liberals, i in his talk about a just a solution and, and, and so forth. and that's again precisely what our mission needs to be done before you guys do is to provide them with a context. so people understand that why that is absurd, why the notion of separating talestine is absurd. why historically, i mean, realistically, can't be done. and historically, it's not the right thing to do and politically it's, it's an impossibility. so our role is to educate the people around these, these figures to make sure that they understand why they can no longer say this, why it's unacceptable. because the 2 state solution, legitimizes design, is that legitimize is everything that happened from 1947 until, you know, until 1967. and so 1967 was different than what happened before that you know,

we're approaching on the, on the anniversary of the 9067 is really solved on its neighbors of engine light. is 60 something in which as you know, my father was, was, it was one of the generals. so that up to educate the people to give them the context, understand and to see and to explain. and again, to push forward why the tuesday solution is absolutely the wrong thing to talk about. it's absurd, it is, it is, it is immoral. it leads to nothing. and it really provides, like you say it provides a singularly if to the ongoing genocide whereas and i get, i don't even know what the benefits or what the virtue of, of that would be even if it was possible. whereas a single democracy between the river and the sea and everybody is like the freight is the river and the see, you know, that's where palestine is. i don't know what other place $1.09 is if not to deliver in the 6. but between the draining and a real democracy, a real free policy, i will they go right? that should be the conversation and that's what we're pushing for. make up of that

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naples, which burned all alive. the village of my lay, where he 1969 american soldiers killed 504 civilians, including 210 children, became a tragic symbol of this war. all involved during the whole period of this conflict, the usa dropped on vietnam more than $6000000.00 tons of bonds, which is 2 and a half times as much as on germany during the 2nd world war. in 1973, the american army under the pressure of the rebels, withdrew from vietnam, and only 2 years later did the puppet regime. and so i got involved. however, the vietnamese paid a high price for their freedom. more than 1000000 vietnamese people became the victims of america in aggressors.

the welcome back to going on the right, i'm still here with me go pilot, the grandson of a signatory to israel is 1948 creation maker. we were talking about perhaps the end of the israel, as we know it, how people in israel reacting to ongoing events previously. they well, one the labor party chief in israel and there of which though said that in yahoo and been given the people in power in the telling me right now, helped assassinate were being how close is netanyahu to assassination? well i thing i don't think useless as an issue at all. i think he's the exactly what is the situation want him to do? what do they want more as well? i actually would. oh, i don't know. what more could they possibly do is massive green people by, you know, by, you know, as much as you want the, i think possible. and so i think he's doing exactly what people want the only the

only people who oppose him or people that wants his seat. but it's not for political ideological reasons. and i mean, it is really, society by allies stands behind the genocide, they've always to, behind a genocide. i mean it's been going on since is always established and the vast majority is why society always stood behind it. there is some kind of, i think, a sickness that is, that exist and race as john side is the side is this purchase of societies that are raised and brought up and educated to be racist and genocide, all as well as i certainly not the 1st hopefully that'll be the last, but that is the reality and i think and as anyhow, nothing else seems to be politically, at least very safe, is exactly what his constituents want. you're saying couldn't be was or it's difficult to say it, but it causes, you know, in washington we've had lindsay graham, senior, the senator, we've had one day during michigan talk about the use of nuclear weapons to destroy gaza, even though there are being multiples of hiroshima is of the n d dropped on

a british american. you nation weaponry onto guys. how will is rail react as a seemingly lose? is this war against? ha, so his own members of the resistance who are clearly surviving while the women and children and civilians. the man uh, being slow since i don't think israel's objective is do is to defeat the policy and resistance. the objective is to kill as many boston is awesome. and then that they've been very successful. so when people say, as well as losing on that front, i, you know, i have to question that because the objective is nice to see the resistance. i don't think anybody thinks that you've been realistic, a realistic expectation that that will ever happen. so it takes time and action. but it's extermination. it's genocide as a holocaust. they are, they, they wants to execute a, complete all the cost against the cost in and people them, and they're doing it as we can see without any interruption. you don't see any,

any uh, elements here. all of israel being used by certain people in the right in the united states for trying to get a why that war with iran, that clearly failing, given new alliance is being forged here in west asia between savvy rapier and iran, and syria are and so forth. did it surprise you, iran's response calibrated response to the attack on the consulate in damascus. and the way that this region is not being provoked by the here we're thinking imagery into the why that will yeah, i don't think is what was being used. i think israel is doing exactly what it was always doing and it wants to do, was it again exterminate limited to boston and people as to the, you know, the right hand response, it's always been measured as always been responsive. they've always been, you know, been responsible in their, in their, in their responses to these really provocation. and they continue, thankfully to, to, to do that. so i don't thing,

i think maybe there are people who want to see some kind of a glorious destruction of the china region. but i, like i said, i think, i think the point thing is to focus on ending the genocide of the past in the people by dismantling the regime dismantling apartheid. you know, this is an example we talk about sanctions and die vestments. and so for see if i just had their, their, their congress in, in, in thailand a couple weeks ago who has got all these kind of, you know, behind the scenes conversations about taking out israel. i don't know what they're waiting for. what is, what more does it will need to do before it's it's, it's kicked out of all these organizations, you know, try to organizations. this is to me and one of the bigger problems is there's not enough pressure on these organizations to kick is really loud. um who they are and they just match or is it sort of p o of influence at elections or on the like visa international, caucasian quote. it was called until recently,

i mean the response of to the court was talking about the genocide and rafa was to give israel another month to carry it out. is this a little, just the mood music, but don't really help the actual resistance? because we see the pictures of what happens every time. every time these judges speak more children account. you know, it reminds you. and if you think of, you know, when hitler was massacring jews, you know, can you imagine somebody said, you have one months to show us that you're going to stop or ask me for a cease fire? i mean, well i, i, this is absurd, isn't absolutely kind of a absurd see it or why are we, why are they waiting for them? why are they giving them more time? why are they giving them the option to negotiate a ceasefire? when there's a genocide going on, you come in and you end at the 6th sleep, but use negative 6 plate isn't draining and they can stop it right now. they could

have prevented office and provide the, you know, the urgency manager and i care to the palestinians in gaza and open the gates. i mean, the only reason that the manager in crisis and guys because it's a prison, people are bringing, you know, thousands of trucks stuck in, in rough hot in egypt instead of opening the gates and letting people go into 1948 palestine where there's all the food, all the water, automatic look at it could possibly want a 10 minute drive away. you know, the conversation is so ridiculously skewed and then again, instead of instead of asking user to agree to a ceasefire, and that's giving them another month to prove this rate. and it now, so the costing is, are not killed anymore. open the guy down, gates destroyed his prison, left us the let people live. but no, israel has to be given all of these and i give them, can you imagine what it was, was in power doing that, giving them all these, you know, giving all these opportunities to continue to kill as the killing goes on. there's not even a pause in this, in the killing of people,

and as for risk suffering and this, this entire sadistic um, you know, reality that with that we see in front of a very i, a 10 minute drive east. any point in regard to the strip is water. this food is medical care, the best medical care we can the, you know, policies don't need to suffer. there's no reason whatsoever for them to suffer open to got them gates and, and eliminated be a part time. that's the key here, but that's a i think people want to talk about it. what do you think the egypt has a role here? and so yeah, can explain the situation there for those people who have not been to the region to gauze or to that border, this fake name, philadelphia, colorado just thought of maybe as read it can be a gibbons not just open the border with gaza instead of all this blame which is, well, there's not, there's not be there on the other side roughly what, what's on the inside desert? the other side of ralph off is a desert design. i desert, there's nothing there. you know, a 10 minute drive east. there's like, you know, and it ties the entire country at the developed country with hospitals and cities

and towns everywhere. i mean a 10 minute drive east out of the got a strip out of any point. you know, there will be the, and all this sort of accessory in opening the opening rough uh, with the it is okay. but there's nothing on the other end. it's a desert, the desert, or if it you can. and that's the same as facilitating the expulsion, enforceable removal of all these 2000000 people from gaza and just leaving them to be stranded like they are in, in have range of teeth. why is it, why is it that has to be more international resistance attacks in solidarity? what is the, i mean clearly be, i suppose you'd say that the faster leadership is completely discredited. but why is it, we're not seeing this conflict wide in the tool and just this enclose area of 2000000 people being starved to death or bomb to death without any other resistance. a violent resistance, as i suppose,

mandela would have advocated during the fight had struggled abroad as well as at home as well. no. this really is really several times that another part of the country are completely paralyzed because of the because of the attacks by eliminated by his law. so that is the, the, that thing i have a good price and there, and there is there thing enterprise in the north for this book. i mean, policy is doing everything they possibly can. prostate has existed in maximum security prison. and so they're doing everything they possibly can very, janine is novelist, the northern west bank and many other forms of resistance of boston is use that are on arms. i. you know, the, the emphasis needs to be on us. i mean, i think the but help is way to come for the outside. you know, you mentioned mondale on south africa. they had the soviet block. they had the then on the line countries that cuba standing tanks on dollar. you know, we don't live in that world anymore where there's where there's somebody who can support to the street, you know, as just as the lubrication and palestine. so it's up to ask people of conscience

just anywhere around the world to stand up and demand that or that there, there are governments to do the right thing and they're not going to the right thing unless we force that force them to do it. and so which, which they want, and we as regards who is going to win the election in the u. s. in november, both sides of bank rolled by as opposed as of israel. so that would have much effect and is an immense amount of money to be made out of binding babies and be heading babies as breton, the united states and the, your nation weaponry is causing it to be slow, this grassroots action to take effect by then rather like the i c j, a way of trying to stop this one, they will be killed. yes, this is a tough question. i mean, there are things are moving way too slow, of course and you know, you, you start something, you don't know how long it's going to take. but um, no, i mean just it's, it's, it's worth a situation where you see it as you see it as far as the bloodletting take place.

and you, the best thing you can do is um, altogether, you know, start a campaign uh start the process. uh, you know, organize that i sit in and so on. it's it's, it's, it's, it's verifying is actually are fine, but you write these things are going to be the process is very, very slow. but the hope is that it's enough players participate in enough organizations participate in enough countries take part in this. and there's enough pressure that every little diesel pressure, a bit of pressure eventually it will bring it to collapse. and just i just finally, just finally on the head, the optimistic no, to low as you say it is low. is it the end of any moral authority from nature propaganda? media? i don't know what you've told. i mean, you'd probably be too busy. now organizing hand, trying to prevent the genocide to watch who knows, but um, cnn, bbc, comcast, sky news. if you've been watching that coverage, is it the end of any kind of moral authority from these sorts of media

organizations? the new york times, of course, which printed the fake stories of, of sexual crimes. we systematically perpetrated by resistance scripts. it'd be and is this more the end of the, that kind of media as being, having any respect? well, well, i don't know that they haven't ever snags out on the, i don't know if they ever had a model assigned to anybody. it was a little bit more of an analytic perspective, realizes that it's been, is that there's never been any, any models that's out by these people. but you know, my, my, my problem is, but it's not just that, you know, it's, it's the, you know, other countries are still maintaining good relations with israel. i mean, they might say something, but like most of the bricks, countries are still having. they have good relations with israel, not, not, they haven't all done great the embassies and keeps that these really invested there is i need expect that that would be perhaps some kind of response, but that's, that's slow to take place. and so, you know, my, my, my, my, i have low expectations for the nato countries. i'm more expect vision from,

from the african countries, the asian countries, the, you know, the brakes alliance, if you will just be the counter to the, to take the place of, of, of what used to be, again, the soviet bloc and so on that, that stood with with nations that were finding funding for the duration. and that's uh, that's not there yet. i'm hoping that it will be, but i think, i think again, i think, you know, we have to have hope we have to be optimistic on the boston. hands are looking at what is happening on campus is around the world. all students in gaza and realizing that somebody's 90 was i'm even was all arch it, but there's nothing that i wish it may go. but thank you. i just thank you and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those very value k u. s. you on genocide will be back with a brand new episode on site to angel. then keep in touch by the social media, if it's not sensitive and you'll country and then to a channel going on. they run tv on mobile dot com to watch new and old episodes of going underground 2 sides of the

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