and in the past and in 1993, i had filed the report against him, and then i spoke up again in 20192020 joe biden came after me 1st with the media and then with the d o j and a b i had every thing taken from me, i lost my home, i lost my profession and i lost everything. and when i was here visiting, i was here to oversee the translation of my book, and then it became clear i might even lose my freedom if i went back to the united states. now i'm under political asylum still and just was moving out of that to try to just to normalize that have word visa and that kind of thing. and i just was informed, i was gonna try to testify before congress against joe biden, that there is a problem with my passport. so next week i'll find out why and if the state department has decided to suspend, which seems arbitrary and capricious different than scott's case. but my point is, is there is a weapon, ization of the d o j. but to get to the question at hand,

which we started with, i want to kind of bring in economics to it. i would say that in america, which is a much younger nation than europe, right? with much different history. the rooster phobia in the united states is completely manufactured by the elite politicians by the we call them the elite predator class . they're called back because they have 85 percent of the wealth of the nation of the united states. 85 percent of off the rest of the people live in poverty, 70 percent of children in the united states for them. property. right, so you're 700000 people are homeless right now in the united states. the middle class is disappearing. so you have, i can, i'm a crisis is what i would call it in the united states, where it's very difficult for people to get by the infrastructures crumbling the rece, the soviet is completely manufactured by the obama byte and even the republicans, you know, by the military industrial complex,

if you will. so our system got overtaken by the intelligence community by the military. black rocks, raytheon, lock key. you've all heard of these companies right now. black rock owes 20 percent of ukraine and probably on more. so the point is about the risk of phobia in the united states. there's not some sort of esoteric reason for it. it's monetary, it's economic, and it's done purposefully. my former boss, leon panetta, who was a former head of the c. i a sits on the board of bracy on. yeah, you'll see him on m. s nbc trying to talk about why we should have a more weapons going to ukraine will of course, once more weapons because he's personally profiting. so the pro, the politicians, the united states, which should be serving the people, are serving their pocket book and the corruption is off the roof. and so what i would say about the perceptions of russia is if you talk to most american people, they simply don't know about russia. and it's very difficult to travel here. and

the american um government makes it clear that they don't want you to travel here. and now with this fascist regime, the vitamin regime which is moving towards fascism and a police state. so you're having people with less freedoms and not more. so that's how i would address fast. thank you for bringing and then the can nomic angle, and that gives me a perfect uh, sort of segue uh to jackson. because i know you describe yourself attention an american conservative marxist lending. is that something there are many people who would describe themselves like that in, in the city right now, but i think this is given what the tire just said that so much money goes out overseas onto goals. the american people don't necessarily even know, let alone approving. it looks very little within the united states to do the basic work off of, you know, providing and maintaining comfortable life. so i wonder,

so why do you think the american people is still sort of buying these sort of narrative because it's one thing when you have never traveled to russia, but you have a comfortable life. you can believe that it's, you know, like those uh, scary, communist silver. they are trying to blow up the world. but if you live, he gets visibly worse, year by year. you can see it on the streets. it's not safe to walk like it's very expensive to leave. you cannot afford your health care. why do people still go along with it? i mean, like, i think it's a sort of against human psychology, but i'm sure you know better. well, just like tara said, it's artificial, it's not real. i mean, if you look at ukraine today. ready there are reasons why certain nationalists ukrainians have beef. ready the russians you can look at the upper class, ukrainians were upset with. ready activity. ready ition you can look at the band to

write ill cool. ready or giving wine. ready cookies to the hipaa rights when they came and occupied western ukraine and then the soviet scheme. and in. ready a braid it you can look even after world war 2, when the band a right phil's were disrupting inside ukraine and killing people left and right. and then to cob. ready sent in to. ready protect ukraine and liberated innocence once more and america we don't have any history of beef with the russian fed. ready ration so everything is completely fake when you see the alleged hatred. ready of the, of americans to. ready the russians, when you actually look at the history of russian america, russia supported the american revolution in 1776. russia supported america and the war of 1812. when the british. ready coming against our. ready order through canada and burning down the white house. russia supported america in the us civil war. russia supported america in when the us, as liberty was sung. and russia was the 1st country to call the united. ready after

911 took place, we were also allies into world war 2. by the way. yeah, exactly. now is the main one we're allies in the world. ready are 2 and that's what i was getting to because a lot of my generation we have grandfather. ready grandmothers who participated in world. ready to. ready fighting hand in hand with the red army to liberate to europe. and ultimately, you know, it, there we, we don't have any reason to hate russia or russians and especially today with the younger generation of increasing. ready traditional in some ways, conservative young men that are rising up in america, it makes a lot of sense that we would like russia and the values that they stand. ready ready rather than zalinski who's. ready and. ready dances. ready as high heels, so i think it's completely fake the hatred for russia in america, not a lot of you guys have killed all of you have faced harassment. some of you have faced the threats for not just voicing and unusual opinion. i think

a couple of years ago, what you say was absolutely legitimate, was absolutely logical. and it's not that you have changed. it's the norms of the discourse have shifted so dramatically to make you an outcast. and truth causes a lot of pain to some of you, but i think they're larger implications for the society. because when people are being told or demonstrated, that this is how will leave and the society that you know when you do like chiron, for example, the basic analysis because you bring here, not just us as you should have a special but the expertise, this is something that's valuable, and then i would suppose that would have a long term consequences for societies. does anyone want to talk about that? like what, what price can to west pay for that? what price can russia pay? we can see, you know, russia is dealing with it on, on its own and,

but what may happen to the west a couple of years or decades down the line one. this is the new rules of the game inside western countries. okay. thank you very much. um, i'm a volunteer for the onto the um, the essence of what was in particular to europe was this larger. uh, is it, was it a kind of place where you pro checked a lot of things? i called europe much more an idea attended to a graphic location having lived in the arab world for many years of my life. i know the expectation, the dream, the dreamland, europe, constitutionalism, freedom equality of women and man, uh, security was for state. these were all the protections that i've been observing for my lifetime. i lived already as a youngster in several countries of what you call today to solve the east. and i

was always grateful for this privilege of a found public health found public education system. now, sorry to say, but old that is gone and that is still a tremendous demand for that kind of funeral, which is linked to illegal immigration, but it's not all about the wife of state. nobody wants to go to port of gold. everybody goes to the 34 most important. why for states? and uh, what i call the soul of fear of the essence. it was, it was really its past. i'm finished pastime. i read the floor and freedom freedom into the largest sense. and the, this is what i deplore in a, in my book and in various conferences, i don't want to 12 on the institutionalized europe, you know, the, why the, you will continue like that and a larger version, smaller version, whether it will go away. this is of no importance, honestly. uh,

do you as such might to overcome an energy crisis and economic recession. all that kind of done. but what cannot be overcome? at least for $1.00 to $3.00 isn't all much innovations is uh this since the europe once upon a time was freedom equality in front of the court systems. i have seen it the freedom of speech. it's gone and it won't come back so quickly, it will take some time. but i, this is for me, the most dramatic, if i may say aspect. so, to answer the question, what does it mean from pamela? that it's i said, yes, it is fun to speak before. yes to dallas at them. and, you know, the sound of the historical society of russian, i said, is my speech. europe has lost its soul and that's it. and that it has sold it for the last it's sold. and this for me is the,

is the crucial issue. economic recession. you, whatever constellation comes and goes, you know, but uh, well, gerald bloss is gone and i deploy, it's as somebody who was always a proven that's great for european because i knew the difference. i lived in a, in which palestinians, i know what it means when the university is closed. i, i was on the bumps and 11 on i, i had to live for the recently, for 2 years without real electricity. i know what it means when you don't have the money to go to the doctor. so um and the old that was to europe once upon the time . it's gone. now, scott, if i may turn to you kind of just said that the europe has lost its solve, but i think there is a concern in russia that the united states has lost its mind or expertise to be precise. because i want to address that to you in particular,

because you're not only a form, un weapons inspector, but you also served on the us marine corpse and you were intelligence officer there . so, once upon a time, there was an appreciation of expertise in the united states, you know, analysis intelligence, all that kind of stuff. and ultimately you can argue that this is what allowed the united states to become one of the world's greatest powers. so reach so powerful. so until actually why, brent, what happened to all of that? because you know, people of your generation at least those of them last within the administration or washington think tanks. i don't believe they can believe that the rustic can be treated in such a way it is being treated, or china, or any other country for the better can be treated the way the united states allows itself to treat other countries.

well it says it says there's no outstanding point. i grew up as a child of the cold war and. busy you know, that was an extra central struggle between the united states and the soviet union. at that time, our military had a class of, of officers known as soviet for an area officers. these were military professionals, many of whom had combat experience in vietnam, who were trained in russian history. russian language was russian culture. and then they were given the task of explaining the soviet union, russia to leadership, so that the leadership could better understand how the adversary was thinking. if this point of view required absolute assiduous adherents to fact, the truth, this wasn't propaganda. our job was to, you'll tell our boss is what the reality of the situation was. and i am proud to

count myself among of this elite group of people. i studied russian history. i served in the former soviet union as a, as a webpage inspector, implementing the intermediate nuclear forces treaty. as i tell my russian friends in college today, i was trained to kill russians. i wasn't trained to love russians. i wasn't trained to embrace russians. i was trained to kill russians but, but you know, they are unique with respect to them and know that my, my enemy as myself, you know, 100 percent, you know, the bassinger of a guys h bash or the so unit. the time that i served in the, in the soviet union was jack matlock, this was a man of great culture. he represented the united states very well. but i remember working with him when he was to come visit us. and the r sylvia counterpart said, what do we show, the ambassador when he comes to the mercy of 2 fourths kids, where he had never been before. and i asked the ambassador staff,

and the response was, show me, i would murder you, show me the people show me the soul. i want to learn about this. this is a, an approach taken by the passenger of the united states at the time when we were still adversaries. you know, you compare contrast that with michael mcfall, who was the ambassador of the united states, the russia under president obama. a man who doesn't care about russian history doesn't care about the russian soul only cares about how the united states could dominate and exploit the for an airy officer class. so that was proud to be a part of when the cold war ended was disbanded. and it hasn't been replaced with people with the same mindset. it's been replaced with diplomats and soldiers who are trained not to learn about your enemy, but you despise, you're going to be to 8, you're going to be. we don't want to learn about russian culture. we'd be a little russian culture and this is the difference of, you know, and you can't, again, let's just speak,

it came from the perspective of potential adversaries. you know, if we want to quote unquote defeat russia. and we don't know, russia is a guarantee that we will separate defeat. we need to and again, i'm somebody doesn't believe any more about julie russia. i want to be friends with rush. i believe that the proper course of action is to learn more about russia and bring it home to america of it. but the again, we come down to what i talked about at the beginning, perception versus reality. and right now, the enemies of russia. once you create a perception that so far removed from reality, and it's essential that all of us work together to explain the russian soul, the american people so that we can avoid the conflict that the people that are in power today are pursuing to tara. i think on a personal level, you're sort of leave through what russia is leaving through on the collective level

because it starts with just a brush and ignore perhaps some intimidation i'm done and builds up and builds up and then it turns your life into a nightmare. and at a certain point, you need to push back, but the question is, of course, how you push back without destroying inter everything around you. having been here for the past few months, seeing what this country's going through. see, i'm sure you're missing your own countries while you're have relatives there. on a human woman the level, do you have any intrusions of how it may resolve itself? because it's, it's very hard to understand how to engage with the united states because there's absolutely no analysis. there's only one these huge idea that they have somehow have to be not just right. but they have to be suppressing anyone else. and you know, that leaves no room for negotiations as far as i'm concerned. very good point. um,

well, let me address this, the western head, germany, which is what you're talking about right now. there's a desperation in the west that you're seeing from geo political level of trying to hold onto power. and here we are at the st. petersburg economic form. how many americans do you see here? very few. they don't seem to understand. i see 3 the, i mean in the general but, but, but what i'm trying to say is that the in, in general, like being part of this, the multi polar world america had better stuff up, or they will miss the boat because the future is bricks. the future, the bricks is providing this economic reality and future innovation is going to happen in the year that i've been here. it's blasted through the propaganda. i was taught as a child about the former soviet union and russia. and now i was lucky enough to have a relative who was married, who came in to our family. that was russian. so i grew up very much loving richard,

russian culture and in a different way. so i never had the bias of my mother and my great grandmother, you know, we're, we're very keen on being very open with different assess these and world events. and they didn't follow the propaganda of the us. and as i worked in politics, i saw how damaging it is, but again, it's a tool, right? this, what scott was talking about was a tool they were using it to justify the military sprint spending. the us just spend for the 1st time in history, one trillion dollars on weapons. they're making money for more. that's making money from blood that's from human blood from humanity. so what, what americans need to look at and take self responsibility for is, is much even bigger than, you know, creating anatomy of russia. now they're creating, and i, me, was china. so you were referring to the playbook, right, like the playbook they used on me and a small level, right?

my case, a small compared to the global level, right? but it's the same playbook. you ignore, you attack you propagandized and then you attack again until you can eliminate your enemy and intelligence terms. people need 3 things. they need to feel like they belong, right? they need to have a purpose, and they need to have a connection. so you take any one of those are all 3 of those way and that person can buckle so kind of country. and unfortunately the us that i have come to know. sadly the leadership has chosen to be predatory in the world. like what happened to libya? like what happened to the 1000000 people that are getting my rack, like the weapons that are being provided to israel right now, committing genocide by the weapons that are being provided in ukraine that are now now, you know, not only are going to ukraine if they are that are going on the black market, right. and, and who's profiting from that? well, only a handful of people, politicians,

and defense contractors in the us in europe. so, from, from my perspective, coming here for the last years really opened my eyes. first of all, russia's a very warm and loving country. it is really clear to me that they do not want to be an enemy of the united states. they don't want to see the united states, so we want to remind our own business at the end of the day and build their own lives, you know, that's, that's what so, you know, and i think everybody, we're all human beings don't want the same thing. we want our children and our grandchildren and our futures, to be safe and to have economic prosperity. and i think of what's, what's really inspiring about being here is i've met some young on entrepreneurs and russia, and russia is, is providing for their citizens, education, health care, and other infrastructure housing when they're, when it's needed. so that they're able to have a spring board to be entrepreneurs. so in an economic form like this they're,

they're looking at the innovative future. they're looking at a, i, they're looking at different things. and the united states, unfortunately, is looking at war. and there is no pass to that anymore. i think that the past is east and the past is not west. well, i want to seize on your quote and trying to, to jackson, because um, tara just said that the united states has seizing on, on the war. but i think there is, has been a sort of a shift in the, in the narrative, within the united states. because a couple of years ago bought and was talking about this as a central 5 between a talker, susan democracies. now the narrative of shifting towards, okay, we need to give all the billions uh, not necessarily directly to your credit, but to your um, you know, military industry saw that it will benefit the american people and you sort of look at that and think, well maybe it's a, it's a pretty matic argument. do you think the american people with bias?

well, excuse me, when you have a nazi soldiers being pulled out of mario. but with hitler, tattoos and suassa good to add to that of co. ready becomes difficult to convince the american public that we need to send another $100000000000.00 to them. so i guess it is a pragmatic method for the buying administration to take to suggest that this money is actually going to raise the on and lockheed martin, which are of course, historic friends of the american people right now. i mean, ultimately, to address the broader question when you look at what america is doing right now, how does it actually impact americans? it hurts us not choosing the sense that. ready are sending all this money abroad that should be used to fix our roles. our infrastructure. ready the trains that are blowing up the plains that are crashing the boats that are running into a degree through children to provide health care for, you know, millions of people, you know? no, yeah, everything. right. but ultimately, the, the,

the main way in which this is neg, negatively going to impact us is the fact that the united states is losing it. standing on the global stage, you can look at the i, c, j, the eyes. you see, you can look at the fact that beautiful larry can not exist. you cannot have one percent of the world that steps on the neck of 99 percent of the world and expect that to continue. and that's why you're now seeing countries like saudi arabia even joined bricks. i mean, the power of the dollar has been tried and now it is that it's in the end. what does that mean for the american people? it means economic degradation and misery. and i think we're just beginning to see the 1st signs of it play out and it's not pretty, and it's only going to get worse. well, uh, as it's getting worse and like, and or, um, your great ancestor left us with quite a few famous quotes wisdoms that we like to quote and let me quote one of them.

because i'm not sure that the, you know, of the background here like the same as, quote, the politics is ours of the possible. everybody heard that, but very few people understand that he actually started in an interview to the c b to work to ship the item. okay, i'm not sure my appriciation is correct all the way in 18. 67. so our city is deeply tied to that quote. and then there was the 2nd one, which i found very tricky. he said that he wrote his uh, you know, he left a lot of notes on diplomacy. he said that with a gentleman, i will always be a little bit more gentle mentally. and the way this ground dro will behave like a squander a little bit more like is kwan journal. so if you look at the situation that russia is in right now, because it does one to engage in politics with the united states, they are the possible, the mutual self risk, black, you know, conditions for peace,

etc. but given that it's not very, it hasn't been very successful, it's hard to find the right approach to the americans. would you recommend the russians to be more on a dental mentally side or on this quantile side of it with the americans at this point, 2 years on into this conflict is i would say what kind of you can say you lost it has. so she all right, a lot of the by the young people, the young people look in a change in lots in europe. they look in another way with a social media, they have the empties and they phone. they have contacts may be easily and very quick. and the they talk to outside, they talk to give them and so they build it in you the

conversation and i see it, i talk to many students, i talk to my children and the friends. and i asked how you give the information from us from russia up, we do it very easily and very quick and in the whole world, because they study in every country they, they come together and they speak very easily and say, yes, the probably take us do something, but we, we will have an you will and a peaceful will. and so, and they look to many countries say yes, america to pet sing state only thing on the south for money. and uh, so uh,

you have to pay the most in this conflict. and it gemini, is a loser in hold your, uh, the other countries do a little bit of a things, but germany is the most loser in this. and i think the young people look to the russian young people in, in, in germany and say, wow, they have sold, they have, they have general mints. yeah. it's nice guys that you can talk very easily till that, alexander, sorry for the rest of you. but i mean, i appreciate the people everywhere are people. they one basic human connection. but do young people in germany that you say are, you know, more or less disposed towards russia? do they have any leverage any access to power to actually change policy or politics in any substantial way or even noticeable way?

but along substantial i think that they have power, but you can see the power because they can vote perhaps we see it in 2 days. for europe and the yellow generation to go up from the poppies and in germany, the main parties sitting in a bunch of stock and look what the you parties do and to do. and perhaps you'll save left side right side. they look more natural for themselves and say, if we can say we do something for gemini and then we can connect to other countries very easily. but we must not look for us to, to the of us. and uh, so uh, uh i, yeah, it changed a lot. and uh,

we have roots in, in the east of germany, in some lens. and you would see the, the great poppies, the old parties are very afraid to about that because they don't know if they come again in the parliament. and so uh i, i trust told the young people, the, the old one go away and. ready we haven't you chance? yes. to connect together. so i would say, when i saw the reaction from the young people, when the government in gemini killed the petersburg good deal in germany. it's it, it's in, in russia it's, it does look and my reaction was in the same 2nd i will do the best mcdonald and all young people.