complex, multifaceted, that stuff without collision is best off part of the time action, or that said, welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world. from the way the world stands on the brink of nuclear war of to genocide. joe permitted us weapons to directly target russia, not only the largest country in the world, but the country with the largest number of nuclear weapons. meanwhile, people are rising up in nature of nations against genocide today in the capital of empire, i believe good biden's house is being surrounded by a symbolic red line just signal to the world. the u. s. political causes betrayal of all humanity in gaza and jerusalem. west asian superpower, savvy arabia,

fall from the lies, coming from the us state department. about normalization with israel has been bounced israel for quote, continuous genocidal mass. it goes against palestinians and the u. a. eas, deepening military collaboration with china midst unfulfilled us promises and escalating is really aerial bombardment of syria of 1100 of them. and joining me now for montreal, canada is moving rabbani, who worked with you in, in syria, as who now co edits to delia magazine created, added the arabs, spring. a thank you so much. i'm waiting for coming on. i'm going to say in west of european nations, the genocide is going to opposable genocide has gone a bit quiet. they have more important things that the vessel states as they being called it appears. what do you make then? the bible is he means a re hit heat a uh come off ceasefire uh plan if anything, an existing its in his right, the plan while supplying the munition in the bones to be had uh uh, children in god who bizarre for words. um,

what you had is um the us president joe biden publicly announcing what he stated was in his early ceasefire proposal. so the 1st question is, why is the us rather than israel making this public? so subsequently, these really is denied. it was a proposal. then the americans insisted, they basically put out precisely what they received from these rallies. then these really is tell the americans or lead to the press, that there were additional details that were not included. now these royalties are asking for us to guarantees that they can re resume their genocide a law slot once the deal is implemented. and in the meantime, as might well be expected, the americans are insisting the onus is on from us to accept this rather than 1st ensuring that as we will accept um what by all accounts is its own proposal that

can then be put to the other party it's really to, to bizarre for words and it demonstrates once again what many um, or at least what i've always concluded that often in these situations the us is more pro is real than is real itself and less pro americans. i'm. so i might say, i mean very little news. we're hearing about these reports of us as eyes in how this $670000000.00 northrop grumman, nick, rav carrier having to retreat to jetta because of force that because of resistance forces in the red sea. i mean, is it a good any update on, on that the attacks on the us us eyes now is not, not on that specific attack, but i think it's worth putting this in larger context, which is that one t issue driving us diplomacy is, is that it seems to be stuck in a contradiction. on the one hand, it is thoroughly embraced israel's genocide. a war against the pulsing is in the

gaza strip. at the same time, it also appears determined to avoid further re, uh, regional escalation. the obvious way to avoid further regional escalation is to end the genocide. but instead of doing that, the u. s. has been threatening, has above and on has been sending its own naval task force to the red sea to seek to unsuccessfully. i might out as you've just indicated, put an end to a whole seats missile attacks on shipping going through about in month of. and we've even had direct confrontation for the 1st time since 1979 between israel and the ron. so the us on the one hand wants to prevent further escalation, but at the same time is driving for the rest of the place. and then at the same time is getting directly involved in this escalation itself. and of course,

rose real. the biggest surprise would be a direct confrontation between the united states and iran, which has appeared at some points. increasingly likely, i think is now less likely, but does the remain plausible and less than until this genocide ends the, i don't know whether we can believe anything the american say, but they say the us as eyes now wasn't struck. but what did happen definitely in the past few days, as the britain in the united states, i really bombarded famine hit a human, which is, which is so sanctioned. most americans, though, i mean, regardless of whether this deal is to do with pleasing a base before november's election and what not. most americans of the usa, according to polls are against israel. now it's uh, today, the end of us are the 1949 publication of georgia was 1984. how is it? do you think, speaking from a way or,

and kind of direction that the data propaganda machine has not worked? i know this, i'm say the take talk band was in parts and threats to ban important part because of the youth using social media to discover what the lies were told that i told to them about the genocide. why is it not what, why there's so many people demonstrating today outside the white house and then across western europe in london for instance, as a many of them. so all of the pictures, the cnn and comcast guy, news and the rest and not going to show of children headed by nature weapons. i think there's multiple explanations for this. um, the obvious one is that you can only hide the sun with your finger for so long before you get sunburned. and israel's case, i think it's fair to say that is really propaganda has had it too good for too long and has simply become lazy and complacent. and as a result, increasingly effective,

for example, this week, the new york times revealed that is real, was running a corporate influence operation using social media against members of congress with a specific emphasis on african american democrats in congress. but if you look at who it's main targets were not only was a preaching to the converted, but it was setting a box, for example, with male names, but female pictures um and all the so completely ineffective. i think another aspect of course is, is that people, particularly younger people, are no longer solely reliant on main street media, whether home television or, or prints or digital, and have access to accurate information, very disturbing information in real time. and then there's the additional facts are the israel as a state, and as a society has moved so far to the right,

and in many cases to the lunatic fringe, is that it is simply incapable of generating the kind of propaganda that it did. and in previous decades were it could at least pretend to appear reasonable, pretend to be genuinely interested in a peaceful resolution of the europe is really conflict. and the question of power started because in today's is really environment. anyone who puts forth such propagate the about being reasonable of warranty peace and having genuine respect for others is basically committing political suicide. and so is really propaganda is increasingly too extreme to be palatable to western audiences. and i think um, uh, that's another factor. well, of course, the propaganda continues in american so called mainstream press. one to lie is 1st

published even though new york times of sales, bugging families, newspaper can apologize about the allies told about october 7th and the fake sex crimes. but by then too many people know about it, did you hear about the greys zone being targeted by the amazon washington post the other day. i know the grades on was and people can, which are interviewed next blumenthal in the studio here. the editor of grades and who, who is done so much to expose the lives coming from israel and propaganda droplets in nato countries. where did it surprise you to they were directly by the washington post or i'm frankly, i'm unaware of, of, of this specific issue. but on the whole, no, i'm, i'm not just, i'm not surprised. i mean, the, the mainstream press has a history of not only suppressing an alternate alternative view points and suppressive descent, but also on attacking the sensors. i mean we,

we need on the look out, for example, the us invasion of iraq in 2003 were it was the new york times and other leading newspapers and television stations that left the charge. that completely inflated these false allegations about a new rock and weapons program and w, m d, and so on. and, and you know, it's new york times. this is not known as american products for nothing. it performs a very similar role perhaps using different means. but it performs the same role of confirming state policy, elite opinion and all the rest of them. what noam chomsky i think quite up actually referred to as manufacturing consent. the problem now on uh for the state and for these leading media corporations is that people have direct access to

credible information in real time through alternative mechanisms. and so fewer and fewer people are relying on these agencies. and of those that to there appears to be also greater skepticism about the news that they bring out. then there have been and in previous decades, i should ask you actually, given the, as you said, we know congress and they've been targeted. we know of international criminal lawyers, it'd be targeted and all sorts of a roofing got cobra to operations going on. have you ever been targeted julia, your magazine, the institute for the things that you say not, not that i'm aware of and i think more importantly it wouldn't have made a difference. well, having said all of this, not, and you know, as accepted an invitation to address congress despite to this, into national arrest warrant being sold against him would make him, uh,

speaking more to congress, addressing the more than churchill. yeah. what, what do you think about him? i mean, i should say biden, this says they will be in poorly for the g 7. so i don't know. what do you think about him addressing congress while the american people stand, seemingly, with palestine according samples as well. i think it's primarily a message to the us administration. i'm sending a clear message that congress will act in israel's interest rather than the american interest. should it come to any policy class between washington and israel, going back to the cease fire a proposal that we were discussing at the outset. one motivation for biden was really to go over this really prime minister netanyahu has had and appealed directly to these early political class and is really become public opinion. this

is nothing. yeah. who's response? you think you can go over my head? no, it is. i who will go over your head by showing that i have congress in my pocket. it's not in your pocket. and by making a direct appeal to us, the leads in the us political class to basically 2 sides. and as we know, particularly, and the increasing we polarized us political system and now it also being an election year and so on. and i suspect that it will be nothing yahoo rather than bided, who will come out on top 1000000 or by any i'll stop you there more from the co editor of jelia and for you in 3 advise after this break, the

was a major thing to bring it the issue, they probably be doing it by giving the commercial insurance and the final push at the goals. and because then we should simply weekly cause people to get to the city because of the consortia, the cases i chose coastal academy. i thought it was the name judge of the folks on the road leaving you a low boy that was returning your past. the most important thing to the son of the scripture citizen is this wasn't able to sell any successful. he wants to build some of the chairs are still good. i still need done some forward to for slow motion with your mind getting to we're in the

the welcome back to getting on the ground. i'm still here with moving or about any co editor off each other. yeah. when you were talking about the biden's tribulations and his not being and power and then you know, being in power arguably as regards the vassal states that as sending in the weapons and ammunition to they had babies in gaza. what do you make of their behavior? because the g says i'm just the g 7, sam for genocide is that what the g stands for when they meet in fully every naturally on thursday as well that's, that's certainly very good characterization. i would however, like to take issue with your description of, of the united states as israel's vassal state. i think it's very much the other way around. i think is real, derives its strength from the support it gets from the us because of washington sees it as a reliable and dependable and,

and powerful bastion of western interest in the middle east. and if there's real was, was not believe to be performing this function and basically it would not get the support of either the us or the united kingdom or the european union. and i think one problem that israel is not going to experience in the months and years to come . is it supposed to be this omnipotent, omniscient, you know, all powerful emissary of western interest, sebastian of western interest in the middle east. but in the better part of the year, it couldn't even crush a 2nd daughter, melissa, a mouse and a miniature postage stamp sized territory meeting the 365 square kilometers at the gaza strip. and i'll be very interested to learn in years to come whether and i believe it will, whether this will affect the position of israel and western geo political and

strategic thinking for against what you said about. i mean, clearly dental useful in terms of american, the security because it's a in danger. american security, very existence, but the $100000000.00 from a back of this election cycle coming through now. why they spending so much money buying and election manipulating in the united states the as well. i think the question that needs to be asked is, why does a pack think it needs to spend all this money to maintain a sufficient congressional is the way american democracy works, circle democracy? well, that's the way american plutocracy works. i'm not sure democracy is the appropriate term here, but uh, you know, i, if you look back over the past few decades, i think it's fair to say the israel's primary strategic assets. far and away i think more important than the arms deliveries and all the rest of it hasn't been

the solid bi partisan us political support for israel and for its policies. and it's worth recalling that the main stay of support for israel and congress. and among the us, political leads used to be among liberal democrats, rather than conservative, evangelical, and french republicans. that's of course changed. but the more interesting develop into my view is it, israel has become an increasingly part is an issue. and in us politics and the democratic party, for example, is increasingly divided over the issue of us policy to northern congress. as well as even, even in congress. i mean, you have the so called squad, you have certain prominent senators, demanding that, that their own government observe us domestic legislation with respect to

arms, exports and so on. yeah, i never see the, you know, this scored talking much isn't i never see the squad talking on tv about genocide, they're using the g words well in that of so some do some don't. but i think more importantly is, is these are people who are now openly and publicly dissenting from the us consensus on blind support for israel to slow process. it's not going to result in policy changes, but certainly not this week. but it shows, i think, the beginnings of a fracture and the solid bi partisan us support. that is real, has always enjoyed, obviously, god right for the, for the dad in, in gaza. course today course i want to get on to the kind of punishment, meet it out on any country or any region that is to defy this. um, a pact is re league is ram low be the this is the scientist cyclops.

what did you make about the written in the us a bombing cameron in the past few days, then a golf course. i know it reports worthless. i think what's, what's happening here is abundantly clear. washington and london stood before a choice. they could either call a halt to israel's genocide launcelot on the palestinians and the gaza strip. as a result of which these attacks on shipping from young men would come to an end. or they could engage in the bombing and killings and young men in order to ensure that israel would be able to continue with this genocide, lots slots in the gaza strip. and quite clearly, washington and london have decided that enabling is real as genocide and the gaza. strip is more important and then keeping the shipping lines

in the red sea open. i'm sure lots of businesses watching this will wonder what they're doing in that case. meanwhile, jake sullivan, national security advisor in that to the blinking, continue to talk about saudi arabia normalization with israel. i mean, you might be able to tell me why not they do that when we had saudi arabia quotes, say, in the strongest terms going in condemning the continuous close of genocidal mask is why is there any organization was? meanwhile, on us television, they keep talking about normalization. the thing is, can they not reactivate isis? they actually now kind of voices like they used in serious can they don't do this again and attack the countries likes out here. i mean, you hear the you a um, as being the saying that it's not going to be after the vice when the abrahamic origin is looking to increase cooperation with china. what punishment is going to be needed out to the arab countries that are not supporting enough. the us genocide

are there in mind. this is the same jake sullivan who published an article immediately before october 7th, saying things have never been better in the middle east. of the region hasn't been disquiet and into decades and sought to have his article. he replied to that criticism, sorry to interrupt, you did reply to that criticism and said, well, they were before it comes to them ignoring except that they weren't at it. and, you know, it didn't take a degree in rocket science to see a crisis coming, which you would expect at least someone who has, has assumed the post of national security adviser. the most power from the state in history would have at least an inkling. i mean, the problem here is that, that we're not talking about saudi is really a normalization. what we're really talking about as a tripartite. saudi is really us to deal with from washington. his perspective and

certainly from is real, israel's, as well as intended not to promote is really passed in, in peace, but to promote this really unilateralism to enable further is really unilateralism visa view the past and in 10 to completely crush and marginalize have posted in washington's problem is that for saudi arabia, the real prize in such an agreement is not anything that would get from his real. but what it would get from the united states and all indications are, is that the by didn't ministration, would not be able to obtain congressional approval for either a formal security guaranteed for on saudi arabia or a civilian nuclear program that it would provide to solve it. right, so my view disagreement was, was never really going to materialize anyway. and as, as you may recall, a month or 2 ago, the saudis voicing that are increasing frustration with the israel is,

and israel's intransigence suggested to put these rarely components of this deal. all nice and proceed with the bi lateral us saudi components of the and the us, of course said, well, if there is nothing of that for us we'll, we're not interested even though the bi lateral us savvy do would have great advantages for the us. a strategic position and the region divide new ministration, not so interested then in in us. so, interest is appears meeting on monday, there's a break. foreign ministers meeting in the form is if you, a and saudi are in, in russia. and the king of bahrain was in moscow the other, the other day. i mean, what do you think removal of us bases from this region of people discussing that? i bid the russians and the chinese do what, how does cost a host a how mouse and the biggest, one of the biggest us bases holiday base and run out 0 and um, and,

and by rain have a huge us base head increasingly be tied to countries that are critical of agendas as well, i think what we've been seeing, and many of these g, c, c, states and, and also other states in the region like of egypt, for example, certainly during the past decade is it's not so much a, a rupture in their relations with their traditional patron in washington and finding new ones and brush over china. but rather what i would call a process of strategic diversification. in other words, for many of the states, their primary strategic relationship remains with the united states. they continue to look to washington as ultimate guarantor of their security. but at the same time, they are also developing increasingly close economic security and even strategic

relations with the russians and with the chinese of both as an insurance policy. and in order to also reduce what had previously been a complete dependence on washington. so there's a process of, of diversification going on. rather than, let's say, changing one patron for another, you know, just find the matthew miller, that state department spokesman us. and that that is press conferences and he hadn't seen the picture of the big headed baby off to the massacre in a rough i, in the past few days, is only the anniversary. the publication of the oil is 1984. it's 52 years since the famous photo of a 9 year old friend the came for burned by us chemical weapons, w. m. d in vietnam. why is it despite all the money? maybe it's in a tunnel question about the lead classes. these congressmen and women and all

these members of parliament in western european capitals say in germany, which is a bang, so much of the weaponry of it's raining down regardless why they know it is a bold. as the world was from seeing what the united states were doing to the babies and children of vietnam, has they, as we are saying to the arabs of palestine as well? matthew miller, of course, is a personification of, of see no evil hear. no evil speak cannot be for when it comes to is real and that some genocidal policies. uh, i mean even even by the standards of, of upper upticks whose role it is to make up logia for the government's policies. easy is really in a, in a, in a class of his own and that is on a colleagues. but regarding your question, i think maybe you want to leave avenue, be out of it. sorry. yeah, cool. no, uh, no, i definitely don't leave kirby out of it. he's, he's right up there with miller. but getting back to your question,

i think we need to get away from this view which looks at western politicians as somehow being bought buy these relays were being blackmailed by. these realities are being threatened by these rallies and blindly embracing israel against their better judgment or against their will. and perhaps we should start looking at these people as doing precisely what they want to do as, as people who are fundamentally racist. who feel that is real, is entitled to do whatever it pleases with the past and in people with the herbs and with the region for that matter. and these are people who are almost congenital, the have been conditioned to view palestinians, and arrowheads as irrelevant. an expendable human scum. so

it's not that they don't see these images, but that these and images make absolutely no impression on that. they couldn't care . less between rabbani thank you. thank you. that's it for the show of continued condolences to those very by you k us and you, i'm genocide will be back on monday to focus on the new 3 around i and bricks which just have elections with the former advisor to india's national security council. i feel that it can be dropped. you. i realize i shall meet you if it's not sensitive . we'll country and had to our child going on. you're going to be on level dot com to let you know the episodes of going underground team and the the, [000:00:00;00]

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