a city the wares does not shy away from using the force either. everyone knows examples. you just love it. you, rac levy, afghanistan, syria, ukraine. this is just the tip of the iceberg. proponents of this concept are trying to impose norris and mechanisms of interaction that are beneficial only to them through voice and the quote, an honest dialogue with narrow cali sions. acting in a close manner, an arrow gates into themselves, the right to speak, an act on behalf of the whole world. and of course, one of the most important side meetings here in nursing of girl today has been when you, the chinese foreign minister and sort of a lover of having their small meeting on the fringes of this opening day. and they discussed a wide range of issues from economic cooperation to geostrategic cooperation, of course, that they would have discussed the increasing pressure on china regarding taiwan in the pacific region on western pressure, if you like,

ramping up in that part of the world. and interestingly, also, uh so gay, love role, she think when you young, the chinese government for not attending to the swiss peace conference, which of course, ridiculous russia has not been even asked to. so it's been a highly power the day for an opening day. a huge energy, as the age of divide and conquer comes to an end and the age of the unite and prosper seems to really be upon us shape bows in these need novgorod, russia, 40 going away next on all the international painted level. with the latest episode of cross to open by will of course be about with more news in 30 minutes. hope to see you then the

the hello and welcome to cross bullhorn john peter a little here we discussed some real news. president, jo, buy news, the deed, a collaboration to call for war rather than piece and the european elections. are they less then useless to discuss these issues and more. i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the guy goal, which be found on youtube and locals. and of course in merrill cash we have martin j season award winning journalist and commentator or a gentleman cross type roles that affect that means can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate part of sir i with georgia in budapest. you know, joe biden is really the most most unremarkable president probably ever in american history. but he deviates from his own remarkable miss by being remarkably, give this and at the adf anniversary of the day landing on june 6th of this year. he gave an appalling speech. let me just read this

a little bit of what he said. they've suffered tremendous losses. russia, the numbers are staggering. 350000 russian troops dead or wounded. nearly 1000000 people have left russia because they are no longer c as future in russia. he went on and on, and i thought this was to commemorate the death of those that landed in normandy and it was the triumph of the west of the soviet union. and what was called the allies, but try him for over. not seeing some, he didn't make any really, any references to such things. george. that's exactly right. because we have already become accustomed to the western habit of ignoring the soviet contribution to the victory in world war 2. i mean, that's not a given every time they have these come immigrations, but by who went a little bit beyond that,

of course he made no mention of anything that went on in the east and find needless to say, he made no mention of operation by garcia on launch at the same time, to relieve the pressure from the western allies. but he went beyond that to use this occasion. does he say to celebrate the deaths of hundreds of thousands of russians, but so he claim and to mobilize the west against russia. so for what he was saying is that those a young american man, those ranges who landed here, 80 years ago, they, they would want to go on to fight against the russia today. you know, this is a good is good, extraordinary. so 1st of all, arrow guns on his bob to speak on the the hub. but it's also disgraceful this marching of this occasion because he used it to call for war. it's supposed to

be the celebration of the end of all that this brought the war to an end as well. the media talked about, oh, we invoke the spirit of ronald reagan in 1984. if you look at bring in speech in 1984, he talked about ending, we'll use that occasion for go, but up upgrade it is to en will and that we should never find was a game bind. it's only very different, as you say, is very divisive, and to use this occasion to call who, who is really nothing short of just absolutely disgusting. yeah and, and mark it is, it is biden's war. this is an a lead toward, this is something that is being pursued against the wishes of the populations of, of what they call now, western europe, and the in the, in the west, the united states, canada, and so forth here. so if this would have been a remarkable opportunity to talk about, instead of i'm calling for greater, greater depth of war about talking about security. i looked at his speech very

carefully, there's nothing in reference to security. and this is what this conflict is all about. it's not about ukraine, it's about an european security, which biden, in his, uh, circle and you know, the europeans as well, refused to face up to martin. yeah, it's is disgusting of suicides, but i think it's, it's also a new, a new level of desperation from by john. but he's not really somebody who's interested in peace. he's a little longer. it's been very clear he stays really shown this stuff. and in this, in this time it office and live the depths of depravity, i think is the stock range. you know, we're looking at the administration now. it's going to be remembered for decades to come for the thousands of children killed and gaza. you know, um, full disingenuous, if not disgusting, to faced a narrative that was coming from biting about these ran news about wanting them to stop the will. and yet, you know,

just this week we've seen that the floating p a is actually not about helping poor cousins, adults about some of the military operations. and you know, i think when to get him to take this opportunity to, to not to reflect on the greatness of defense and, and to be respectful to those who died on, on those shows. but to actually turn in some payoff and event. i don't ask him too many sizes in there. i live in yourself is not gonna be remembered for that. let's, let's, let's face it. you know, we, we are all driven down by a very, very short attention span and social media is really the same, this. so it's the important thing that we will remember and used to come him trying to sit down and measuring the chair, or we'll see pulsing, wind, or even deprecating. i don't know, you know? and he was quickly a school to the way by jill looked like and not be changed to me. he'll be remember for that. he'll be with the the, i think the iconic video clip will remember about some news to come is the full understanding the job. i didn't turn him around really slowly. i'm looking in the

opposite direction and the 3 others slowly following him till being the last one. you know, the mind crumbs kind of slowly turned around this really, really multiply some sketch to look the other way. so this will be the 3rd point martin. they mean, charge to me, you know, that this was the, the liberation of europe. okay. me, this is, this is a european commemorative event. and where are the europeans? i mean, we, we've seen over the last few months, they, those wanting to get as close to biden in his position as possible to be even more aggressive than the biding administration. and they're buying ministrations. pretty aggressive right now. i mean, it's the would be, this was supposed to be about the say to bureau, but they seem to advocate their responsibility for europe. i mean, what good is your a put experience with this tom point? go ahead, george. no, none whatsoever. i mean, where you, when you look at, uh, in terms of security in terms of, uh, economic well being in every way your of has done disaster sleep

out of the world. and, you know, we've got, unfortunately, you know, the number of states. so that'd be inducted into one of these europe, instructors the, you and they, so cruise one goal seems to be to start conflict with russian white. why that is, it's a, is a mistake, but a little baltic states and, and poland and then doing so. so, you know, some of the, some of the a stage by such as were mania, they just want to stir up conflict with russia. and then we have the united kingdom, which again, just seems to have completely gone off the deep and, and once a will with russia. and again, you deal with this. the whole point of having these sorts of occasions is the celebrate the end of a war that's the same. that's the way we did this. you know, it's now many years behind us, and we're now no going to do this again. it's not supposed to be that's mobilized

for another war. and, and so, at this very moment here of, you know, by the who's now of the, apparently a given look at the go ahead to use american weapons on russian church and to kill russians. and what's the response from europeans? i don't know, even just those men sometimes get, oh, this is too little too late. you go to it and you know that i'll allow these weapons to be used deeper into a russian territory and provide a lot more so that we can kill a lot more russians. what on earth is that go to do with any kind of a, a come member ration of the end of a little while? of course it hasn't. and so that's a they were here now mobilizing for. it's not, and it will give and the, given that it's a problem without getting ready for you martin. but simultaneously, you, as those events were unfolding, we had bite. and also i speak to the french assembly. and simultaneously,

there was a form going on in saint petersburg, where vladimir potent was question for us for hours on end. does it usually gives the opportunity to, in domestic and foreign media, the number of feelers that have gone out over the last few weeks. i mean, it, this is wilfully ignoring what's going on to both of you this, this, this event and, and in normandy, could have been a very interesting opportunity to address those. feelers ok, as the end of fascism in europe is commemorated. how should we, how can we make the european continents safe? again, that would have been an opportunity. they missed it intentionally. martin, they did miss it until she i don't. unfortunately when you use that word, fascism is a certain irony to the in the all right, so we'll talk about that in the 2nd half of the program. keep going. all right, yeah. somebody either with some at the same time, scott richard wasn't allowed to get on a plane and goes out for them. and it was, you know, and these are the kind of things that we've been hopping on about for decades about

countries from the east, you know, who not having a such democratic values as us. but now we're doing the same, you know, now we've become those countries and nothing, not the discount rate. so incident was quite a stock reminder that we're going backwards with losing our democratic freedoms. we're becoming much more to classic. and the whole thing about the day um do you know, binding and all of these go leave this dining around and bang and the trouble about will is there is no a conspiracy. it must always west of the lease to crank up different expanding to creates a sense of panic, a sense of fear. so the people that perhaps comfortably taken by the hand to a place where they don't normally want to go and show the stories by the media that they wouldn't normally look at. disregarding some of the bigger stories of, you know, governance pull governance that time, you know, i guess slipped on the carpet this, it was really all about,

it's about feeling hungry and i think come, it was a real, real shame. well, by and did you know, he talked about and ukraine and, and then you know, it was a lot for me. it was very disrespectful and everything it, when it went to len skis, the sentence keep turning up in his usual kind of coats. kind of a glad rags notices you know, so colombo, the, whatever he is, the more the existing site or, and considering the political forces that have surrounded him, of the political coloration. and if you get my drift, okay, and having someone like that they are not talking about the i'm to what i'm talking about, respecting all those people have died. you could have at least pulling up the website . he was a crusade against fascism cops come in the soviet union and the liberal west join forces the destroy fascism. ok. any was of fascism on that stage is, is it's soiling history of george knows what i mean here, george. but we have, before we go to the break here, maybe this will be the year that people, the historical memory will be that the soviet union was the enemy of the west and

the 2nd world war. do you think that's possible? absolutely. it's possible to look at the bites of speech these great, he's pretty much saying that the war against hippa goes on and it's a, you know, and it's the same war as the one against the fulton and russia. he's very much made the case that it's, it's, it's the same war and we've talked about this before, that there's a very rapid revision of history english on how that lead the mobilization of the european continent that people had attempted against the soviet union is actually a worthwhile project, and it's just a, you know, they were aspects of it, but it was, it was not acceptable if the front of the transfer where you it, the french press reporting and it was a 1st step, normandy, was a 1st step. very interesting. not mentioning this will be an experience at all gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here we go and go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some we'll need to stay with our to

the russian states. never as tight as i'm one of the most sense community best most i'll send send up the in the 65 the keys when i used to progress visual polls. question about this, even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin media machine, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the 72 question, did you say they requested the

the welcome back to prospect bull horns and peter level here. we're discussing some real news mark, let me go to you and merit cash again. we have um, um, as we speaking right now,

the polls are closing across europe, but with european parliamentary election. and there is a lot of parties, lot of alliances, you know, and it is all in the number of countries are out there. i think i actually took some notes here of 450000000 people are eligible to vote. um, probably less than half will. who goes to the selections. okay. because i bet you well, um and you know, at george, i bet you, you know, if you went and walked around budapest after this and say who, who represents us in the, in the european parliament, i bet you nobody that 0 martin who boats in these elections the people who vote and elections traditionally have always been people who are passionate about the european union ideology, the project, and the e. u. a leads most this really doesn't want electronics if we want to for elections, it would do. what will study a whole bunch of does, which is false, people dislike legally. so if we didn't get find that you would never do that, because if you force people diverge, you would find a very, very low turn out full,

the conventional big pile of books and european panama, which is the, the christian democrats. and the socialists, you know, those are really the 2 big groups that controlled everything in the open problem. and so what happens is you get a high turn out for people who are passionate about you. but for one of those c brooks and you get a low turnout for all the of the independent. so all the, instead of just like american crime bearings, it's only the true believers that go out and vote it's. it's not a true believers, but it's, it's changing. this is important point. it is changing. and the last couple of european elections, what you're finding now is that people using the you elections as a protest vote, so that aren't going to school situations around countries of that process, but is always full, right? and it doesn't necessarily mean people believe in the far right. and so, you know, for them the, i mean, p vote is a throwaway. but anyway, they don't believe in the project. and they think that, you know, there's a numbers not a corruption from this autocratic organization. which is anti democratic anyway, but so it's a fairly broad as

a protest foods. you just take the flow right group. i think we're going to see the next couple of days. i think this is going to be unprecedented. this time around i think is going to be very high number people who are protesting can learn if you bring up an interesting point. and this is something i think when i look at some of the european parliament and actually it's also to some degree, george you have, you look at them, german elections, you know, they, where you have people voting. however it's defined right far right? or wide is a, is a protest vote. i mean, but at what point is there a tipping point where it, it's more than a protest vote because you mean what you can, we can turn this all upside down. you know, it's a throwaway, but it doesn't really matter. but for a lot more and more people, this is the only way that they can actually express their opinion. so they can cut both ways. we'll see what the results are. george having us. right. and i think model makes a very good point of the people, so who actually show up to vote all the ones who are you in? susie asked. and so there it's, it's a kind of a,

a lopsided the devote that. uh so, you know, we often expect, well this in this election, the fall ride will do well, they may do well. i mean, that's a, it's a possibility. the book is i suspect that they won't do as well as we expect, simply because i think they have they vote does it just not going to show up. and then ultimately is because the european parliament is really a fraud. i mean, it's not really a parliament in any meaningful sense or not completely fund buddies over at bonham . and this was a legislative that'd be that that's a problem. and so supposed to do, but the, you follow them and read it doesn't, legislates the, the european commission and then the european count him. and these are those members of parliament really well compensated. george i so they are extremely well compensated which is which itself is scandal and what a big participate that there is this institution that really has no. busy power, although then essentially to act as a robust stanfull the decisions made by the,

the european commission and then the european council as a, but the, any of these are extremely well compensated. uh and, and, but it will cost a lot of money, you know, having all that building and they, you know, having these a but they also don't do a lot of work. i think they only show up by saying 2 to 3 days a week. so in georgia, they let me throw this door. i mean, they like to have these great, um, uh, expressions of outrage, you know, wait, we're going to equate this with this. and you know, they make these big, historical pronouncements and all that, you know, and then i'm sure they go to the, the went bar afterwards and celebrate. but nobody really cares what they do scenario. but doesn't george stuck on the very good point. it is a robust, i'm paying organization. i mean, what do you remember is when the, when the architects is a european union, and then a schuman and spin any set up the whole project before going to make it democratic . but the idea of the european problem was a both on last minute idea because they still like gold we put on, we go to have

a nice to pretend so some, so democracy here. so let's create a problem and you know, and really that's really what the emmy's piece do. the big part of the job is just simply to rubbish dump, tweak a little bit, but ultimately robust. i'm a massive amount of draw for legislation which is pumped into it every single day from the european commission that they were being questioned. didn't do that. if it's, if it's somehow stream lines, the number of draw food is less than that. it that it creates it across the problem will be used, does it have nothing to do? so they're both feeding off one another. they both have the rays on that. so the only piece is very much down to how much is coming is how much draw off to these places pump through the machinery. but you're in terms of power george's cups, that correct is the only problem at all. i know in the whole world that doesn't have the image for them, please don't have the rights to draw us dropped any legislation themselves. you know, they couldn't talk about it or creates little paperless. and so, you know, i'll be honest with the both of you in our audience here though, at the george now there's those 2 irish people. that's the only thing i know about the do you meet then you'll be when they come out with really,

very passionate spaces. i almost always completely agree with. okay. that's the only thing that it enters my world from this huge body bids so wasteful, but you know, the big elections, you know, you know, then pump all the money into it. for the most part, it is trying to always be a referendum that the you is doing a good thing. that's what they, that's all it's doing. okay. and you know, with and then on top of that, george, you and i have to talked about this and it is always the right wing a pouncing. and you know the radicals. ok. how much truth is that in the add to that george right here, your, your as a right and but what a voice strikes me is when i see those, and let's do mic wallace and clad daily. if it is, well, why is it only just them? i mean, is there anyone else or is there somehow that thing, the 720 a. m a p's, but it's always low as to who to talking any, any sense of oh and i do for i shouldn't, did for

a while. and i and i drove arrives the, the that's right. but that, and, but they're mostly what, what do the others do? what, what exactly is their role and, but apparently, then, you know, the big issue now is, well, are they going to give the, or zillow vendor lion a 2nd time, you know, there are in the, nobody really knows this. i'm also so full straight to well georgia maloney support from the lying and that they have these very good relationship. is it because she's been such a good job? well, that's the point, i mean, but that's really the issue. what is the phone number line? i mean, she's in the middle of her own scandal about why did they want to, i think of something like 4 and a half 1000000 doses of the fi as a vaccine. you know, given the, the, the population of, i think, you know, i think 4 and a half 1000000000, i think, you know, potentially afford how billy is our. and so in other ways, because of population of the use of the 450000000. so that comes through 10 doses

of a citizen of the you. so the question, why did you want to 10 doses and, and then she expects the europeans to pay for it. and then she's not, but she's not revealing any of her messages with that. but she exchange with the size of so she has been an absolute disaster. but because of the matching nations of the bureaucracy, she may well get to. so you know, the top, she's very vigorously campaigning for a 2nd to, you know, on she, you know, heis. i saw a little bit better at before we can be in here. and martin, they said, she says, is this a of these elections are important because it's to protect the europe's democracy. is that what's front and center here? no is what tells me this is obviously for the dates and the jobs, you know, the establishment establishment that we don't necessarily see every day on television screening. see, so the, the front end of do you know, but them, i, you know, talking about does that little publish the video that she made while she's walking through the country, choking through the country side and she comes to charming,

you know, german house. and unfortunately, we didn't cut to, you know, go get edged photographs of the full father's and wasn't as uniforms on top of the piano. we should, we would have done that. been much more interesting, but she's done a good job in keeping the state is closed and keeping the leads where they are unplugged and like so. and, you know, probably she needs to stay another 5 years to really immune herself from any outside persecution over the 5 the scandal from companies on member states. you know, they, a couple months ago it was announced that the use own into internal fraud department are investigating, you know, well, we really should expect something from that, right? you know, how wrong friends in the european commission actually investigating or white washing, but we'll see. but i think um, you know, we're probably looking at 5 more years from as well, which is quite, well, i don't know what's going on here gentlemen, considering what we talked about in the 1st half of the program and, and what we're talking about now. george is the germany when the 2nd world war,

i mean it is exclusive keeping to try to show. so i did a good drama. is that what was in attendance with all these uh, ceremonies uh, russia was not invited had the ceremonies. and of course 0 who's leading the charge in the, in europe. it's germany, which is which is open the door. we've had the bad bulk sang the onboard with a roster, and then she said no, no, that's fake news or didn't say and below there it is. and she is. she is. she said it was germany has dropped all pretense. is there anything you know, that vig when scrolling the id is 7 days 19 ages that somehow is a, this is a new country with very, very different from the what we used to be. but luckily, we don't have any hatreds or anyone, you know, when you get a full milk of human kindness towards everyone, henceforth, only beasley lemonade from german, so that was his commitment in 1990. john is step by step

a band and all of that is all the russell phobia that was so prevalent in germany in the 90s. so it is an before one. it's one. once again, it's a, it's a coming late, so i believe it go see the way. what's up on the line talks about russia. that's the way i mean, a babble, thoughts about richard and you're getting the drum and media. we use any of these for anything. both women are channeling their ancestors views. george. yeah, i think so. i think so. i think they, they've, they've, they've been germans now. feel unrestrained. they don't have to pretend they did it in the way they had to focus on some years. the survey, either a new people, they don't have any of that horrible, horrible nasty aspects or drugs. and i think this is very much the cause of germany that we've been being familiar with in the past. yeah. and we have the defense administered, talking about the re a re arm and being with that being a, being necessary to fight a war by to 2029 against whom it's left on set. gentleman, that's all the time we have,

but goes so quickly. i want to thank my guess in america and in budapest. and of course i want to thank our of yours for watching us here in our to see you next time. remember, across the rules, the, what is part of the is it a portable post that isn't the deepest view of us in that, in the world? but is it something deeper, more complex might be present good. let's stop without cases. let's go out of the

the reach day the people have clearly expressed that desire for peace. if i have to choose between war and peace, they will choose peace. hon gary and crime shows that message of a new parliament to re elections as long as he will parties makes phone gains in both germany and france, posing a challenge to brussels is bull mouse mongering agenda. the south african foreign minister paused for a conference that would great in russia and you frame together last thing efforts to exclude moscow as unrealistic love. and then the real focus on achieving a cessation or indeed the appropriate piece, negotiation the desktop from an i.