we are going to be talking about the bar, you just watch 2 different attacks to different explosions which one of those killings is terrorism. and which one isn't? this is an incredibly important story that i'm going to take you through object sanchez. let's do it. the right story. time ready? i'm going to tell you a story. boys and girls gather around, starting with something that happened back in the 1960 stay with me is when the french word war without jerry the i'll jerry ins could hardly defend themselves. of course, except for guerrilla tactics, you know, small guns and stuff. while the french, at the time, they had one of the most sophisticated air forces in the entire world. so, jerry and fighters would kill french military commanders by placing a bomb in

a baby carriage. yeah, a big they would stroll up with a baby carriage pretending to be a mom or dad. and then lee that baby carriage right outside. one of those cafe is where the top brass of the french military were eating and drinking, you know? oh right. well, finally, a french top general cock the mastermind to be all jerry and operation. and he said to him, what are you doing, man? why would you do that? why would you use baby carriages to kill our soldiers? i mean, that's terrorism. you've gotta stop that immediately. he said, you know, they all jerry and revel said, you said ok. i'll tell you what. here's the deal. we'll turn over all our barrett baby carriages to you, the french. when you turn over to us, all of your fighter jets and your bombs that you're using to kill our people. to

think about that for a minute. think about it. because i think about that all the time. when i hear people use the word terrorism, what's tears? for example, the income is october 7th, a mazda attack. this one right here, the targeting civilians, it's often called terrorism. and as we look at these pictures where there's no doubt this is indiscriminate killing, one could understand why, right? i mean, look at that. but now let's wipe over to this one. look at this video, which took place of the past 48 hours. users, railings is rarely is killing palestinian civilians, and this is called more not tears. you can see just regular people living in gaza carrying dead bodies, their friends, or brothers or sisters, their moms. apparently, there were between 92, a couple of 100 people killed just within the past 48 hours right there. and those pictures you're seeing right there. so here's the question. here's

a question. why is one terrorism and the other is called war war, terrorism, or war terrorism. what's the difference? i mean, this is a question i find just perplexing one that more often than not is determined by who is doing the killing and who is being killed. if the killers on your side, right? and there are soldiers. if they're on the other side, then those guys over there, those guys are terrace right? to why am i asking this question? that is always somewhat befuddled me and why on this day here's why. the bridge stations are meeting as we speak right now in russia, and they are addressing this topic, head on a daily with what they call the double standard of terrorism. this is interesting. i mean, i happen to think this is a fantastic conversation. the have good for them,

let me read you what they put out so far in a joint statement number. these are all the foreign ministers of. busy these countries, brick nations foreign ministers, say they reaffirm their commitment to combating terrorism in all of its forms and manifestations. they read or age. terrorism should not be associated with any religion, nationality, civilization, or f, the group. the ministers called for 0 tolerance to terrorism and rejected double standards and anti terrorist activities. double standards. by the way, they put that out on the same day. hear me out here. on the same day at the us announced it's changing it's classification of the a's off brigade. so they can now use made a weapons. think about this. so you as always considered the as off brigade, bad guys like tears because they're literally meal nazis self declared. right? but because the us now needs them to kill russians,

they're no longer the bad guys. so it was decided on this very day. do you see what i mean? vanilla you get the point? well, rick. okay, so what the bricks leaders did here was not only a rebuke of the western strangle hold on narrative control, but it tacitly does point out the hypocrisy that's applied when and where countries like the us are members of the g 7. use it like the bombing of the north stream to pipeline. now that should have been deemed an act of terrorism, right? against the nato member and sat there for it. was it? but it was it because while you know we all have a hunch and who the culprit is, it doesn't advance the goals or objectives of the west in this particular moment, or even individuals like osama bin lot. and he was once or us ally until he wasn't

any more. his ongoing activities, you know, since the 1980s weren't any different by the time the pin, 911 on him. but what changed was his usefulness to the narrative. so this unambiguous definition by brooks, i think, is a welcome change in my opinion. yeah, i'm not sure they're going to be able to figure it out. it's not be easy to figure out, you know, what i think. i think it comes to a point and i had a professor once in minnesota where i went to college, who said that certain words after a while they use their, their usefulness because they are essentially over huge. right. and, and, and it comes at the time when you, we should just throw them away and come up with a better word. i think we're almost at that point with tears. and seriously, i mean, because what the hell does it mean terrorism is the guy cares about, like i said, is the at that i agree with a pardon me, the act that i don't agree with. and if i, if i like it, then it's more. and if i like the person to get it, then it's patriot. but if i don't like it,

but it's terrorism. and if i don't like the person who did it, then he's a terrorist. i mean, that's pretty much what we have right now, and i didn't write. that ain't right exactly. the words are violence, rick, remember? yeah, and i don't, i but you're right. the west controls that narrative, more than others, except that's now changing and we're seeing and changing. and that's what this bricks conversation is all about. i'm glad we had a chance to talk about it. okay. want to talk about something else. this is a little crazy, but so there's this hit series. see it's being seen by millions of people who probably have seen it. if you're listening to the sound of my voice, it's a, it's a hit series. it's being seen by people all over the world. it's called baby ring dear. this is a story about a woman that stocks a bar tender. my wife and i got hooked on it. like maybe you did. and i got to tell you it's magnificently done. the main character, an overweight dowdy, but brilliant female stockers. fascinating, she's got a law degree. well look, here's, here's the trailer. i really don't know what he's going to enter

. i think one of us is going to have to diagnose as the site is willing to still continue like 6 months maybe more the time you send them to report it thinks she needs help. she comes to my for my house. she seems to be emails like all the time, the canadian, so lance says that question, somebody here in the, to the mazda mazda, please let me know. here's the thing about it. it is fascinating, but here's the story today. the real woman who the series is based on, she's now showing for a $170000000.00. why the series watch? by already 50000000 people and growing. they say when they start the series, apparently in the 1st episode, according to the demand that it's uh, a true story that everything you're gonna watch is true. but according to fiona

harvey, the real martha, it's not true. her lawyer say, she's not a convicted killer. she never spent 5 years in prison, and she never sexually assault this bartender. dude, you just saw there. wow. i got so much to think about as i hear this manila, your thoughts? oh, look, i gotta be honest. it's on my watch list. i haven't gotten there, however, i do know the premise, i guess the premise. but the point i think to this actual news part of it, the real life part is we live in a litigious society. and this is yet another example of that. her victim, i guess we can call him that or you know, all intents and purposes wrote a story about his life experience. doing his due diligence. he changed names and, and you know, that sort of thing. he had every right to do so both as a survivor, i guess we can say, but also in the way of creative expression and free scripts, free speech. yeah. um neither he nor netflix out of who this woman was. she outed

herself right? the peers morgan show, and now she wants to scream victim somehow. i'm going to call b s on that one and okay, say creative license and, and it was based on the true story, not saying every event is true. it's not a documentary. oh, well here's where i'll just disagree with you. say somebody is a convicted criminal and saying somebody spent 5 years in prison. the part about whether she had sex with the guy or not, whatever deniability comes into play there. but the other 2. i mean, if they're saying netflix, you should have checked before you put that in the script or allow that to be said . she may have a point on that. would you agree? you know, no, i say full creative license, it's based on some of those things. elements of his life, so i think the guy has creative license and i think she's going to flop on this one . she then this is a loser case and i think she just wants 5 minutes of fame. that's fascinating. i'm so glad that you brought your point of view to this as usual,

a smart one. thank you. we're going to move on now and i'm gonna tell you who i'm going to be talking to in just a minute because i think this is one of the most fascinating interviews that we're about to do. i think as americans we know squat about you crate. we don't, we know so little about what really happened and ukraine, except all of a sudden we woke up one day and we were involved in a war there with russia fighting ukraine. and we apparently are on one side and every day we hear that we're going to be more and more involved in this. well, there happens to be a particular person who used to be a diplomat inside ukraine. and what's interesting about his position is that he's now come out and he's, i guess what you would call a whistle blower in this case. and he's telling some truths that are making a lot of people extremely uncomfortable about what is going on right now. he is going to be joining us in just a little bit. in fact, you're gonna be able to see him on the screen and we're going to have a conversation with them. stay with us. there he is. we'll be right back.

the as western leaders recklessly talk of escalating the conflict in ukraine. european voters has sent the exact opposite message pro war and meets are clearly out of step with voters. and they have been punished for the water to lift 3. i mean, we thought on the outside of major was how your ship was threatening since the middle. there's a hair dresser, a bus driver, a sales person, anyone could become a victim. well, that's how private negotiators 1st appear to be looking for the different steel. pretty much what i'm going to go to see. we started last week and some of the amount us as

a human. and the reason why you're going to be up by the name on that, on those over those are learning is you won't be feasible. move soon on from the yes to the studies push to cover the series. make these things here and use this equation in the luminous equates to stick with the alright, let's do this. this is an interview. i've been looking forward to that as americans, as i said, we all need to know a lot about ukraine, but we don't know that much. andre tell us jenco. he knows a lot. he's a fascinating personality. fascinating person, the interview to better understand ukraine, past and present. he used to be a ukrainian diplomat, so i mean, he could tell it from the inside out, audrey,

thank you so much for joining us. my friend. thank you, richard. have your own great pleasure to be on the show. much start with what we do now as americans. we know that for some reason we've been very tied to ukraine for the last. i don't know, 10 or 15 years. in fact, most people now would agree that we've been meddling in ukraine. can you take us through that? can you confirm the united states has been meddling, a new crane for quite some time and maybe explain to us why? yeah, that's the exact read your account and then we're going to are recreating business bank states made a cool break in sales and 40 the article by arm up the road. it's about 10 years. remembering us, going to be frank, we bring government and i'm a peace of mind interview. you people can check it out. and just recently came out a month ago and we talked about how the key was made by the us government and how the football my job was to over. so i was just president for me by the us

government data. after we started over the place, then there are people into the government was one of them. i was the advisor to the 1st would be for mission. it was, i was or to the project or general, but i was a good to my all washington from you today. i went through all the costs of that. i saw the other side of that and i saw that they were doing it right next to do it. or if you put in power, maybe higher human fire who just deal with the prison a. this is what america became pretty crane a basically an owner, and they were the properties they're making decisions. that's fascinating. so the u . s. government, my government, i mean i love the country, but i'm not crazy about our leaders these days, especially. they installed in ukraine a different group of people who would take their orders and execute them in ukraine . and you want one of those people? yes i was, i was hoping them for to go checked out another time which i have after that i came

out and so told the truth himself and 70 how you train. but over here, selection describe this whole process of the particle and then they wouldn't have from they wouldn't have for me, it was with the white house, was a picture of white couple socks. i was there personally, numerous times. i'm a good position and not as a governor because yeah, we didn't. what advisor? so the administration i have in the presence of night seats. and then after i came out with the trans, unless you're doing your praying elders usually for a some i don't remember elections. i'm going to use a frank to do the i'm russia to fight just for today. they went afternoons and sanctioned me for be originally to the rush, was part of the plane. that is what you saw were all russian spies right now. i mean, maybe if you say anything against the united states or criticize any of our policies, you can come out and say, i love my country, but these politicians we have are kind of crazy. i must be a russians, bye. but the, here's what's interesting and here's what i want to know more about. so this is all

happening to my reading, please correct me. i'm not an expert you are. this was happening mostly during the obama administration when the guy who happened to be the vice president is the guy who is the press of united states right now. joe biden. someone say he was more affecting whatever was happening in ukraine than even president obama was at the time. it's like this was his baby bye. and the and those around him. right. same people who are now running the state department. yes, that's totally right. barton was the point where you play actually the key and he was basically overseas crane and he wouldn't orders to the president of the country . a southern conference were supposed to be giving orders on how to do business and you think she was right. say about this november so she knew about be covered at all. they just pushed away from this and say, oh we have nothing to do with it. but i'm, i'm, was the man was making the bucks to the brand personally for himself as the big guy . so here's the son hunter barton. i put his name on the board, a member of a,

one of the gas company, large gas company ranks, which was corrupt by a flat panel cases. and i was advised to the bus for general, but some of those kids were open. 100 show can also, and i can tell you, but he was the was do you bring not only pox, how do i say i might give it to russia, but no, it's all personal benefits. let's. before we get into the biden's, i want to ask you about ukraine itself. i, i have read a 1000000 times that ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. that might be an exaggeration. obviously, your enemies will always describe you as more, but just so let me just ask you for the record you were there, you saw it was going on. united states is corrupt, who by the way. and so is japan and so it's china. and so it was rushed to absorb all countries, but how much more? correct? maybe this is how i should frame the country. the question, how much more corrupt is, is you crate? and why a concert united states united states only a weeks have the power to do the corruption. right?

and you pray, anybody in one position to job, to take the pride from $5000.00 up to a 100 or an up to a couple of $1000000.00. i got officially reported and people came in and got to be fives. $500000.00, something $1000.00 for the most of all peace. it was a basketball, was i denied or arrived and right. it was one of them most people work we've been investigating. but this is how this is the plan. this is a, basically anybody who can come in a business person and continue on a bright trash friday and offer you into something something up. this is what's happening and you basically everything you sold off. that's what we're talking about this. what, what's happening during this war, all the money following sensory print is the company deposits from different people, united states, a crane. and this is probably the framework, the beach so, so cheap rate and go to printer because we sold all the different other countries. what terms? everything was the west. so this is what the plan is. unfortunately, my function is corrupt and i became more correct after the 2. and it became more

dangerous after that because you had lots of a box of being built in a country. anybody who could say that the lights fresh are watching the process question because we have a lot of a 100000 in your history with russia. you're going to click on file as a treat as a tree or cater to actually read the shot. some of my friends were shot after the war started by the point in time. so this is what your claim is. it's a corrupt, i'm sure he's with the regime, which he dislikes anybody who says that they weren't happy with their ears. so if you want up, here's what i'm getting from what you're saying. i'm going to put this together. i'm going to add up these 22, and 2, and get 4. if you want to be successful in ukraine, and you want to be a part of the system that happens to be corrupt, and you want to be able to make money. and that corrupt system, you have to believe in ukraine itself as an entity without russia. the moment you go out and you say, we should be friends with russia after all, we've had

a friendship, or we've been friends and enemies and friends of enemies for the past 100000 years or whatever it is, i'm exaggerating. but the moment you say that you're locked out of that potential money making opportunity, which is the corruption that is ukraine. that's what i'm hearing you say. that's trying to get so thread. as soon as you come out and see that if you want to come out and see what america's lead brain is wrong, you become a trainer. we come to emily and you become the enemy problem into the classroom, or how much is the government for say, the truth, that is the truth. and that's what people are getting shot for this to today. and this is why this was happening because they don't this a trip toward the restaurants in the world, the bell, russian performers sort countries within your brain so much and, and the soul, perhaps some people are putting on peach tree and it's funny to bring in fact, raising, but they're making money on the blood shut of their own people. it's just just phase. so let's,

let's talk bite and real quick out. so all of this is going on. your grade happens to be a very corrupt placed time, as you say, and others, you're not the only one in steps, joe biden, and his son hunter, and perhaps others around him into that corrupt malays. it's almost impossible for him to go in there and deal with people without dealing with people who are corrupt and maybe even being a part of that corruption himself. and that seems to be the picture that you and others have drawn. although to be fair to mr. biden, i've yet to see the smoking gun that shows me where exactly he talk specific money, but nonetheless, take us through what you believe, what's going on at that time? well, there was a company, bruce law which was the under one to storm the ministers for under the former governor to be praying on being a college president who was stamped on the device halfway their license. we're giving it to the company by the way, the minister himself, which actually with the minister of ecology and forgot about the company was for me

to come our way and culture by after the joins this what member, because of one member of this company. and he knows that this company, so everybody knows what this company is for up because that's really the news. there's the next piece is opened back onto the company to the owner because there's adjusting and how to buy them from certain and start doing business. and then starts helping them to take away that name of the truck and buy it even saw far as the process here because the sun is on a border with members of this company, the passenger is investigating this company in the right way. i also advise for we start a strategies, a company who for the work for 100, pardon one voice of what was there, are there sorry, advising them good. you asked me to communicate with the past the general's office operating the how was the face and this was all done already with the help of blue star 5. these are the company who was working with 105-0500. so we didn't do me. it

doesn't know what it is or yeah, yeah, and i, by the way, i know i in the list. so what you just described as malfeasance. what you described is cronyism what the hells this kid doing on the. busy of some company, but you know, what, sorry to say this. it happens all the time. rich people powerful people get their kids to get jobs that they don't deserve. that's the case here. the corruption, they're up taking that to somebody to get exact amount of money for an exact the that takes us to another level. so let's move to zalinski as we have a minute and a half left in the interview. when does the lensky become corrupt? when does it go for being a committee? i'm a popular television figure to being suddenly the president of the country to now running a corrupt enterprise. can you take me through that one in a minute cubic. if you became a present good on a piece, the said, i've got a piece of pressure to stop the warrant, eastern, a crane, which has happened for years. then i can become the president of refraining people by the oligarchs we. are we paying attention to wonder and give them

a meeting with the m. i 6 of 2019 june, 2019 to becomes a puppet of the western governments themselves. a saw off to find out what was the question. it says my team, they knew they gotta be one more question. they were pushing for this one. that seems a lot to do because perhaps i somebody to come to the building. there was a note here before that we should use a building there today. that's all the corrupt you in july. and it was because we still got public coordinators working. you print it today through the so complex of washington, and they've been together ever since then continued to be, although by them probably can't remember him anymore, given biden state. but certainly those guys in the state department who work with them, they remember and very well, and they've had a relationship for a long time. did you say billionaire a. ready yes, choose out a billionaire and he was a multi millionaire before as a community, as a matter now he's a 1000000000 or a multi millionaires. i bought

a multi millionaire for up for a comedy show as a comedian. really. yeah. used to make these to making money off ozarks presenting what you all regards around the country and the rocks where the green, the original of ours. and he was one of the popular ones. and that's why people actually voted for us because we thought somebody from the outside of politicians, somebody made peace. but why don't you sold off right away? and if you don't use, use use accepted around the world because you'll get all that money. but it's not a problem or unbelievable saturday, that's unbelievable. a guy who by the way, has not been elected again, and he's cancelled the election. so i guess we could almost say at this point, he's a dictator, but i didn't say he's not always just pressure. well, he's not elected, there's a whole lot. you gotta have an election to say that you're like the president. we also have to say that to be able to say that your democracy, but we're out of time. i'm going to get you back. andre. tell us jenko, you are a fascinating person that have a conversation with a true insider. i know you get a lot of heat for everything you do and say,

but i respect you. it seems to me that you are indeed a truth dollar. thank you. my friend and god bless you, god bless you. that's our show. well, remember to always look outside your own box when you're looking for truth, because, you know, we'd like to say that the truths don't live in boxes. as you can see. if you watch our show, i'm rick sanchez, and we will see you next to the same rom. just don't you have to see how it comes to after care and engagement the trail. when so many find themselves will support we choose to look for common ground,

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the the, the hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered. i'm peter live out as western leaders recklessly talk of escalating the conflict and ukraine, european voters that said the exact opposite message. pro war lead for clearly out of step with voters, and they've been punished for in the crust sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, daniel mcadams, in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the wrong paul institute for peace and prosperity in washington. we have richard cook. he is a former us federal policy analyst as well.