the i'm action or sensory. welcome back to going underground rule, cussing all around the world from the middle east, where in gaza, tens of thousands of men, women, and children have been massacred by u. s. u k. u armed israel. the survivors of direct attacks is suffering from disease, the dodge and medical treatment, and or risk dying from starvation. and with hundreds of thousands of schools, universities, mosques, churches, hospitals, and houses destroyed. they have no way to go. joining me now from chicago is ali. i'm the name of the founder and director of the electronic intifada. he's the author of the battle for justice in palestine. ali thank so much for coming on going underground. you know, the electronic intifada is being such a resource. just so many people think, need a quarter of a century, just gimme a reaction to nato's the media propaganda campaign, celebrating israel saving a full captives from gaza. recently,

i understand the british propaganda network, the bbc founded 9022, celebrating it with you know, it was an in tab. i like rescue and people were dancing in the streets. thank you so much action. well it, it's oddly grotesque, of course, because they're all down playing just the sheer atrocities is real, committed murdering almost 300 palestinians injuring almost twice as many had in fact killing according to the palestinian resistance. 3 of the is rarely captives in the process. so this blog bos, a ship really underscores country to what the bbc, these really government might want us to believe. that the only way to get this really present as a fallback is uh to end the war to end the genocide,

to israel, to agree to what the americans insist as its own cease fire proposal. and to address all the other root causes of this uh, horrifying and escalating file its something that they want to tell me. what did it go through these areas? uncle john list minds when they hear by them saying it's in is really proposal for peace. and then clearly blinking is saying things like a, well, we have to, israel has accepted it. how much does the distance it's, it's kind of in what he actually says and then blaming him us for coming back late on that. and i mean, was it that how much is it, how mouse resolution, resolution at the security council? 2735 more or less the united states is promoting. i mean, to cut through this, i think what's happening is that, or the so called is rarely proposal presented by the americans is

actually a watered down version of the proposal presented by the americans to mass and early may, which i'm as accepted. but it's been watered down to make it vague and to remove the questionnaire as a permanent ceasefire. something that how mass insists is its bottom line and stop going to back off from that. but ultimately, your, if you crossed your mind back to the beginning of this genocide option, both the united states and the as rarely said a cease fire means how mass has one. and israel has been defeated. so which is true because remember, as we all went in saying, we're going to destroy some estimate of terribly and politically and, and every other way. and here they are negotiating the time as appealing to em,

us to accept the proposals. so in order to try to spend as something other than it is ready to fade, they have to pretend this is a magnanimous proposal from israel and make it look as if it's israel's initiative, rather than as a defeat being imposed on israel by the resistance. so that's what all of these american contortions are about. in the best case. do the americans really want a seas file? i think they do, if it's on his rarely terms. if not they're willing to let the genocide go on and on. and then all those, these diplomatic shenanigans and pretends that the, you know, this is an is ready proposal is simply a survey to try to cover and absolve both israel and the united states for continuing this genocide and to blame. how much asked for the failure to end it?

i mean, there's no free pressing nato nation, scaly, are they doing their jobs then? well, the new york times of washing and both the cnn, all these different groupings in terms of trying to cloud this issue. so that people don't hear what you just told me. yes, of course, they're largely propaganda. they offer, i operate as extensions, if the governments and the establishment with a veneer of criticism and a fee or a veneer of you know, adversarial. and this at times to try to maintain the image that they are somehow a free press, holding a power to account. but they only do that at the margins and on in consequential things. and for the most part, they loaned the lies and propaganda of the governments. we've seen that you know, glaringly in the case of god. so, but also in the case,

if you crane and russia as well. yes, i'm saying that they want to say, have finished with this guy's a situation, the by the ministration, jake sullivan and the rest of them because they want to get onto this has talk, you think of russia, that's the important one. and the one that gets support because the unprovoked direction of direction even has that narrative, even as the support of the biden's base so much is the lives being about the creating conflict. i'm not sure that the diva does have the support of bite in space. you know, they, they were successful in manufacturing consent for the, the proxy war against russia, which thanks to the united states as cost hundreds of thousands of ukrainian lives in a futile attempt to destroy oka tale russia. but i think in both cases of ukraine and gaza, these have been, you know,

yet mall horrific american driven american lead catastrophes. human catastrophes and political catastrophes just like the catastrophes in iraq and afghanistan. and so they see, you know, these, the people in charge, a psychopaths, they have no human feeling, no empathy, no ability to relate to others. they view this entirely through the lens of the own political and misconceived strategic interests. so i think what it is, is they want to manage it for public relations purposes and for elect oral purposes . so in the case of gaza, if they can get to cease fire on is really in american terms. so be it. if not that happy to let the slow to continue, but then they want to shift the blame for that to him as and for political and electoral reasons, gets it off genocide, jo by them. and then when,

when it comes to ukraine, they know that they're not going to defeat russia, but they want to. so to keep it going, avoid the top will collapse at least until after the election. and they just don't count how many ukrainians have to be kidnapped off the streets and sent to the front to dive for jake sullivan and joe biden. so when berlington standing next to the guitar, a counterpart and a those guitar estate tv have been doing such amazing work from gaza that john lives in, in there are illuminating things and yet guitar you television is uh, key cheerleader of us policy. the proxy war against russia through ukraine, against venezuela or against booking, the fact is aligned against china. but lincoln standing next to the guitar, a counterpart saying in grim tones, he knows the pain of the palestinians. you see that there's model or cycle for free?

yeah, i mean he cost he's, he's largely responsible for lots of the paid. remember, the antenna a blank can possibly has signed wavers, bypassing congress in order to speed up the weapons deliveries to israel, so that it could have enough of these babies, shred the all baby bus, the bombs to carry out these massacres. so if he knows the pain is because he's largely responsible for it. and of course his folks, people saying that's actually a normal process, those waivers. he's not doing anything unusual. back to electronic intifada. i mean, you know, all these people who think the war started on october and last year you've been covering it as i say for, you know, more than 2 decades of a quarter century. regarding this risk, you a full captives and as you said, i mean to be as far as we know it, a 1000 killed or wounded pilot palestinians. what do you information are you

getting as regards um, any american involvement? the peer to humanity, harry and pierre, whether they were american soldiers, american enabling, i mean this sense doesn't matter because obviously the weapons, the israelis used to be had the children are uh, american and british anyway. but any, any information i signed cuz it depends. it can very quick, i should just say, just say we, we have nothing to do with this. yes, i mean, just to say there's a lots of sort of swelling supposition or theories and very level firm evidence. i mean, the military experts i've talked to, including the electronic a default as john elma say that that would be no real tactical advantage to using the peer. it's this, rick, is he thing that keeps floating away and it's not as if you can land heavy weapons

on it. you can't put a tank on it. for example, it would, uh $6070.00 put that on tank. and why would the as early as need to do that because the p a is at the end of something called the necessary car at all, which is this large swath of gaza that israel has occupied and tried to turn into a permanent securities own dividing. causative from north to south, and israel has several large military bases in the next room car do so why would they come off the p a when they have these military bases that they can just drive in from israel, which is what, in fact they do. and then we hugged reports that the august verified the and verifiable of us forces taking place. and i think that, you know, hopefully time will tell. we'd be able to get some more fun information that we have now. but i think what you put to me in the 2nd part of your question is really

more the point is that as regardless of these tactical details of american involvement and clearly that was that american involvement in terms of um you know, perhaps intelligence or planning maybe it needs it that much, but yeah, they've admitted that takes all of it. all right, national security, but we are helping israel retrieve the captives, correct. so there's probably intelligence planning, other sorts of information. but the bigger picture is that israel is that the united states, rather, excuse me, is the godfather, this genocide. so regardless of whether the peer was involved, or whether uh, you know, us army ranges or whatever the called were involved. which again, we have no firm evidence of the americans of the dr. visit this genocide and that must not be have a football. how do you,

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we don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way and say hello and welcome to the cross stuff boulevard. here we discuss that, we'll need the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the founder and director of the electronic intifada. hobby avenue. oh, you were actually imagining info one your colleague, john, who just recently understood the detailed report about the fact that it was these reilly's killing their own people. on october the 7th, you just want to briefly recap, some of that people can watch that online is actually that the that report. um i think you're referring to is by my colleague david shane and david chines hope a sub yes. since october 7th, we've done extensive reporting on what happened on october 7th. and

again, using las vegas rarely sources which show the country to the official narrative and the one spread by western media propaganda. israel killed many, if not most of its own people. on october 7th, using you know, under something called the hannibal directed, which is this one secret now, widely known as rarely order that allows the military to use overwhelming. forced to stop is riley is being taken captive, even if that means killing those as rarely as in the process. and the hannibal procedure was applied widely on october 7th, an order from the top. that's something we've documented, again, for mr. energy sources. and in addition to that, there was just indiscriminate fire, panic and chaos as the as really ami subdivision collapsed under the sophisticated

and well planned military attack by the palestinian resistance. and what we've also documented since october 7th, through very meticulous reporting. again, based largely, almost entirely on his ready sources is how to cover up this massive failure and this massive killing of its own citizens. israel including is riley, see me a post, a military officer is like a general bar up here. um and kind of will go out and find out who we, who our colleague, david seen reports on a detail manufactured atrocity tells, including the tales of fund babies. uh, from uh you know, children being tied to get there and set on fire families being but i did at the dinner table. and of course the, the claims of mass sexual violence on october 7th. the evidence is clear, none of this ever happened. it simply didn't happen and we document that,

but you won't find it to be on the bbc or cnn or the new york times. so instead, continue to perpetrate an advanced these hoaxes. in the case of bar up here, um this is ready general. he actually ordered it is rarely times to open fire on a house in keyboards. barry on october 7th, where 15 the civilians is really a civilians are being help telling almost all of them. the only 2 survivors who live to tell the tale and it's thanks to them. this is ready to survive as yes, mean par rights. and how does the gun that we know that the chemist fighters were not abusing or harming the civilians in that house? and that everyone was killed not by the him as fighters, but by the is really tank fire. and then off to that mass unable attack the mass killing of his riley's by the is ready army general bar up

here. um went out and lied and told this of this uh, completely made up story about how all these people were killed. and we know that these sorts of things happened up across the region across as what they call southern israel on october 7th. but uh, this being very little truce telling about it, and that needs to be a full international independent investigation, which unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be a lot of support for israel. c u a u. n is m one and i've sat in, does your venture was on this shows that they seen videos, there's other that i've seen videos padded babies born baby and then no, no, but we have a problem or is really just as submitted through who walked out of the interview here when we talked to him about this, a sexual violence which was a keen trope, i know the electronic intifada is documented. the sexual violence bias riley's

against palestinians over over many years in fantasy, even the adult times has been actively. i said that these rape claims a systematic rape claims with false, a whole, a whole new space pets. but of course, bye time the for lies around uh, in the public imagination. they are out of britain uh, the europe in union successfully instituted continental censorship over. not season zalinski and ukraine. people are banned its illegal in britain to i think even repeats a bbc previous reporting about nazis who are now. i suppose, the funded by nature of nations. what are they going to do to people like you, electronic intifada, and other groups that are exposing on a daily basis and have been to stop them from showing that these narrative is being spread from israel and they write back the election,

manipulated the american politicians are all lies as well. they're already doing it, not just to us specifically, but all across the so called collective west, where we see a brutal sense to ship and repression. i'll just give you one example. i'm familiar with personally in april i was invited to speak at the conference in berlin, organized by the palestinian community that along with jewish allies in solidarity with palestine. and i was all it to be invited to speak alongside dr. a sign up was sent to the british palestinian surgeon and director of glasgow university who spent the fort 1st 43 days of this genocide in gaza, tracing people on witnessing atrocities. and what did the german government do? they banned him. a british citizen from entering germany, they banned him from most of europe, the so called shun. good uh, visa,

free travel area. and they even banned him from speaking online to anyone in germany. uh they, they, the conference itself. i was suppose to speak remotely from the united states at last at less than an hour before german police dogs rated, it puts off the electricity and drove everyone out. and the german press report to the pipe may well be under travel, but and i don't know if i am because i didn't attempt to travel to germany or the shaking area. but we see this across a had, this is a search and who is saving lives in guys? yes. and who's got to speak about witnessing genocide, you know, in a germany which claims to have loved the lessons from industry. instead, what they're doing is banning a doctor who is a witness to genocide from bearing witness to what he saw on in the united states. we still have 1st amendment protections, so the government called the quietest

a blatant is the german government and simply binding people in ranging conferences . but instead, what you have is this mccarthy at which funds by congress and by university administrations against students and professors, and journalists and others being fired for the jobs fall. uh, speaking out of covering this, this out story to honestly yeah, there was one from the, the hill. uh, i noticed uh earlier but then um, if there are reasons for optimism actually because a generation of elite students never gonna forget this. maybe unless their student loans being paid back, mean they have to forget it. what kind of revenge can we expect from those children who are surviving beyond slowed a british american? a you woman in gaza in jerusalem as we speak now? i don't think it's the question of revenge. i think that the palestinian people

like other colonized peoples have shown remarkable patience and magnanimity towards their oppressive ad. remarkably little revenge. and to that detriment that a, it has to be said. i used to be a nelson mandela in dubai once and i wonder why he was giving away so much to a liberal forces after fighting so long against abide there a. yeah, for a say a point i'm promising is have never sought revenge. certainly not in the way that israel is now carrying out a revenge genocide of you know, just unspeakable atrocities. just out of, almost for the sheer joy we see is ready. so i'll just post the videos of the self, celebrating this unspeakable violence. it is not revenge that they will get from the palestinians, but it is resistance. they will get resistance until palestinians, the liberated and resistance is a right. resistance is something that an oppressor,

like israel can expect to. every thing israel has done to the power steering and people now for a decade has only strengthened the resistance and, and i, i have no doubt that that will continue. yeah, those atrocity videos posted by israeli occupation forces. i mean, these are just all of a kind, i mean, we saw a british and american soldiers use of torture in afghanistan and iraq right now as the detaining thousands of palestinians, while the gaza genocide continues. is it like apple grey? what's going onto these palestinians behind the scenes of even is there any soldiers on posting? it certainly sounds like it do, you know, some of the reports of sexual torture and filings coming out of this is the time on torture camp. this concentration camp where israel is holding thousands of policies, incommunicado, a very reminiscent of the terrific torture carried out by the american tortures

that upgrade present in the rock. now, 20 years ago, it seems unbelievable to me that it's that long. and i think the difference now is also many people site that this is the 1st live stream genocide, and that's right, the technology and the availability of you know that the ubiquity of, of cameras and video of every way even in cause that means that these atrocities are being seen in a way that they might not have been seen even 10 years ago and certainly not 20 years ago. but that said, there is an openness to the glee and celebration of, of genocidal violence, of israel that i think goes beyond anything that we saw during the iraq war during a saw. you know, apartheid in south africa. that does seem to be on the hinge of

extremism among the is ready, public and leadership, which i think stems from largely from the impunity and immunity they've enjoyed. because of the support from the united states, the european union and the west in general have sent the message to them for decade . after decade. you can do no wrong, no matter what you do to the products, things will back you will protect, you will support you will arm you and these various have gotten the message. frankly, the they would also remember just fine the yeah, we must remember. it's of course a british to europe in union and united states enabling it any mental illness national we just finally we started to get inklings of people suddenly starting to understand what the electronic intifada has been saying for you is that the 2 state solution is called the way forward i would you say now advocating a 2 state solution is again to supporting genocide all most, i mean,

always out of this to state solution. whereas the electronic intifada or has said for so many years, is it just a way of white bushing genocide? and um and uh, the breaking of international law and convention, since 1945. yes, nobody believes it. um and you know, it's just a talking point to avoid reality. and the reality is the israel is the genocide or regime that has to go. that has no interest in co existing with the people whose rights it has use up for, you know, more than a 2 years. and that the last to admit that will be the so called political leaders and the late. but as you say, the realization is now broader than among, well, the public's including and especially in the west where just a gap between leaders and public is wider than ever on so many front. and that will

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