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[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. i'm peter live out . this was hosted ukraine peace conference was an object failure. it failed because the issue of peace was not on the agenda. they did everything they could to escalate and pro long becomes like. meanwhile, moscow has its own plans to cnn, to the fight, the cross sucking ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, make a live petro in kingston. he's a professor of political science at the university of rhode island in brussels. we have looked relay to you as an independent journalist and invalid. so we cross the andre dealership in co. she is a former ukranian diplomat. quite gentleman cross. that girl is in effect. that means you can jump it anytime you want. and i always appreciate nikolai, let me go to you 1st here because we've had a lot of events happening very,

very quickly. let's take a look at the end of last week when we had a president put in a dressing, russia's diplomats and sending very clearly messages about how i negotiated and to this conflict could start at least the beginning of negotiations. we have to parse that there. and then of course we have the media coverage of the swiss a so called piece initiative by ukraine. um, i think, you know, when i look at the, i look at that all of it's in its entirety, it's still talent t. we had russia and yeah, now that i can see how to do that, really, you clayton's would disagree with what we put in that just say, but it least was a starting point. what we got over the weekend was no starting point at all. it was just more of a propaganda how for to per long be the conflict and to give the appearance. but it had some kind of global consensus. so your thoughts over the last week or so go

ahead. i think you're right to call the designation of piece so much into question because again, how can you have a piece negotiation without want the major people involved in the conflict? so, so what it turns out to be is essentially a grouping to put a pressure on russia and that is uh in that, in that sense it, it really didn't move the process forward any and, and then came poor jim's talk to the international diplomats. and i think to be fair, but somewhat eclipsed this with summit because at the end of the russian, as a result of what we can said, a 3 things happened to move the piece process forward. if that is the desired objective piece of the desired objective rather than victory

. right? so one is both and clearly simplified the negotiating process. we went down from ukraine's 10 points to food use one point and there is only one voice that became mandatory. that is an official statement that ukraine does not intend to join nato . the 2nd thing that is, initiative accomplished, is to offer something that ukraine is not offering and that is to end the blood shed now. and that is done simply by withdrawing the troops separating the troops. and i would highlight something that hasn't been typically highlighted that they are on invoices proposal. no initial concessions required, is simply to get to the negotiating table. let's withdraw the troops stop the blood shed. we do, however,

want this commitment on good faith to not to join nato. and i guess the 3rd point, which is more of the public relations of cool, i would say for a bulletin is that he proposed for his proposal rather put the lie to the frequent western statements that russia intends to conquer all of ukraine. and from there move on into europe, because in effect, russia has defined exclusively and its territorial objectives before occupied territories, which are the 4 occupied territories. well, it, it's interesting locates a, uh, you know, and watching the coverage of the so called peace conference. it's a shelf life has been remarkably short. i mean for the reasons as a nichol, i just presented to us because there's a fuller picture out there and you know, i see it with every passing day. well, another country takes their name off of the the they, you communicate at the end of the conference here. and even you have the, me, you cranky, and for administer say,

basically maybe next time we should invite the russians. i mean, the whole thing turned out to be a complete waste of time, and it didn't help ukraine. you're good. oh, i don't see how would move the needle for ukraine whatsoever. so it was a real bus that way. and i agree with nikolai, i mean, if you look at the broader picture here, there is something to start negotiating, but the that's not coming from the ukrainian slash nato side. go ahead, look, i found, i think, as you say that it's the beginning of the end. but your brain on this cultural shows clearly that the support is dwindling. among the supposed partners. i mean my toll our eyes later, the summit and the left early bite and didn't even golf, etc, etc. at the same time on of those and ask you one to the point to stopping berlin and tubes esl, bring us to evaluate that is and there, there was nobody to listen to him or for any if you the list and the right for told

you the absent and the center, my goodness center, for example, look very scans of all that. it was to me for any scares bolton's and don't that credit. and of course the bricks did not accept the branding of the conclusion something let's be. so what was the purpose of this uh, stream it, it doesn't work, misspell savanski, you know, on today one of the thing, you know, i looked at a lot of commentary and to be honest with you commentary that i tend to agree with . okay? but it, but they talk about the beginning of the end of ukraine. i don't want to see the end of ukraine at all. i want to see the end of this sense list more. and so what does it take? and i've always wanted to ask you, you are ukranian diplomat. you know, even they, they use the phrase and you, ukraine is a victim. but if you look at zalinski and the people that as he is surrounded them, so they volunteered for this. why do they have the right to keep volunteering, young, ukrainian men to go into a meat grinder and today? sure, you're totally correct. there's

a nice to came into this. when he became ready for president has on a piece deal that he's going to make peace with the devil himself. there was a plan. i worked with icbc while he was also present 6. there was a plan for the last 2 to come to don't boss and make a speech 2 weeks later after this migration was up to the people that don't boss together with the russian federation. knowledge that these are you bringing people and we should get them in the courts on track. it was grant and signed that house piece and you grant and how autonomy for the eastern part of the crating and have you bring back together without the civil war. but all when the parents, when it's when basically you're and so you went under those are those taxes and really, and, and in the west. and the agreed to this for, he agreed to this for 2 years before the war even started. she was preparing for this war, money was stored, everything was be prepared, the most report from will decide. we remembered that process when the russian negotiated this whole issue to both peace floor and i as the premium. i spoke about

peace for years and years. the court, even this war was happening while there was still a war. he don't boss, nobody listen. we had the position channels pro that spoke about peace. we had people who spoke about peace putting our kid loose. so need to kill you crazy. this is what was the last 2 or 3 and let me bring government one answer today, i believe was the premium. because i see is that all different president on the article one or 3 these and there's no general government spray there until this time. the early brain needs to change. if you clean wants, peace, doesn't need to go in the narrative world. the warmongers in washington in london. it needs to do, besides, but it's on have a sovereign decision, let's say, like, a personalized, for example, or his regime. we will waive we will sign the agreement to move away. we're having you don't really pray and have the premiums decide what they want. we're going to be won a piece government or a war and government. i believe you the koreans, on the ground for what would work for peace because we're more and more you praying

us. they are looking for a peace deal with russia. they understand that there's no way out. you put it in the ready as losing gonna last. but before they even to work together, i'm exactly neighbor and they said they, they, it was determined on the 1st day, nikolai, i mean, in looking again at putting in speech to the diplomatic community. which gets so little coverage in the west. they do. it's really, it's really appalling considering the stakes. i don't see, i don't see any more real patients, the strategic patients that we've seen over the last 2 and a half years. and i think the, the russian authorities know that they are, there is no good faith in the west. this conference proved it. and that they may start pushing a lot harder. and again, we're given the environment your nato is say, is going to have a half a 1000000 men that will be around more radiating and we're talking about activating new killer. a strategies and all about this is get to get very ugly,

very quickly. i'm very worried about that nikolai. well, the diplomacy involves a lot of fostering. and then the posturing is exaggerated by the media. you know, there's an old uh, austrian saying with that um, how do war start? politicians lie to journalists right and believe what they read in the newspapers back that was gotten so much worse now with the internet. it's literally impossible to know what is true and what is not because the respectable figure or people that we are told they are informed and respectable. so absolutely contradictory things. so that leaves me as an observer to suspect that if anything is going to happen is

going to happen outside of the public eye. and here we can simply speculate. i do think it is likely that there are all sorts of private contacts between ukrainian military officials and russian military officials. you know, of course, to work out the details about the prisoner exchanges and things like that. but you know, discussions go on. one thing leads to what other they try to feel each other out. so there's all sorts of the discussions along with the diplomatic community, some of which gets leak to the proud. yeah. but nickel really quite. i agree with you, but we're rapidly, rapidly coming to the break, but do they have enough agency to make decisions? i guess, you know, this seems like, you know, this is the grain project run out of london, brussels and washington. they do if they want to. and what is

interesting about the recent spate of re address firings of the senior political officials in queue is that some people in the west are interpreting that as a way for the landscape to try to give himself a little more maneuverability by all right. all right, hold that thought nikolai, because that's fascinating. we have to go to a hard break gentlemen. and after that hard break will continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team, the . i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so short or is it conflict with the 1st law? show your mind in justification, we should be very careful about our personal intelligence at the point, obviously is to trace

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the, the welcome at the prospect where all things are considered i'm peter will build to remind you were discussing. you create the look um, uh, over the weekend we, we had a for administer, loved or off the speaking to the media and he did it this time in english. and he brought up, you know, i'm paraphrasing here, how this is an a lead project in the west this ukraine project. and what about the democratic processes in, in europe, in the united states? i mean, as you well know, you that where europe and elections here and um, the issue of ukraine, if it was mentioned at all, it was not a vote get or it was a vote loser. we have uh the governments of france and germany and a tail spin because of the election outcome,

even though the u. k. is no longer part of the european union. they're having to pay the cost as well for their um, um, interest uh over the ukraine over their own people. how does this play into it? we have this car, sickle peace conference, and we have, you know, europe in result you in results. go ahead. luke, as well, almost all the moments in europe is that every party on the last or people, right? especially on the right, that substances on rush our whole day at the same due to as russia all, many options, all on all the ceasefire. and they keep silent because they are afraid of the global moved into west. we all bombarded by a press which is really supporting you train permanent, the full length diploma patients in golf. following the leads wall supporting the government of savanski. they cannot turn back any more and so of the people were really where,

what happens and the who crane was not really your topic during the european elections, not much. everybody tried to avoid, you know, and to tip toe out of the room. if anybody talked about training, what is the thing sure for the coming months and years is the fact that it's probably the replacement. all they do said bought out the 5 representative of your to full for on the phase will be replaced by kayak, killed us, the estonian prime and i stuck. oh, great on the water you will still not. i am for you, right. wonderful. so this is the danger, you know, this one good. create 3, it will have to enter your pin commission with her if you. well, i mean, of course, you know, you, they, they talk a lot about ukraine, but it doesn't really help you create andre, who, you know, way as this conflict goes forward here. how much do people in ukraine have an input in this here because i am very cynical about this whole project because i couldn't,

i think, any realistic person thinking realistically that this conflict is going to end this lot, gonna end in ukraine's favor. but those in you, in care of and they loved a power as a and then have power. they just want to keep this going. i mean, it's very profitable for them. i mean, how many of the already have homes in miami and, and tell a v even bank accounts. you know, i'm, i, i think my cynicism is warranted because that is one reason to keep the complet going. of course, joe biden doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. joseph burrell doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. nobody in the european union empower, wants to admit this. so it's kind of a nurse. so going on, the money just keeps flowing on today. yeah, we use it for these people, our whole owns the last is owned by the washington london. wash in london is owned by the mountain investor complex. and with each state, there's no solver and leave there. and all these problems, even the, all the g 7,

usually it's a rapidly, all of those meters are all controls when washington are wondering. so the only solver meter, now this is the frame, is today, it was talking about peace from his own perspective. and you came in the situation is somebody out of the perspective of washington. unfortunately, i just, i have to say there's also opportunity break. there's a no one dependence after the do an export takes the prey and told her was like she was holding onto the power for as long as possible because he understands there's going to be a change. it might be a change soon because of the tensions of the people here in the brain or grow. they are basically the government that you're talking about a couple of their site. but the, he, the government moved to relate to the government. so the west will make a change between what time they don't really pray for one of their home for the price change to, to remember. and she is only 16 versus what we're gonna look forward to. so low and the tensions of the people on the train, so they will come with pitchforks on their home or toward the top of the government

issues. as some somebody independent was the need this to happen at all. and that's what people in the training are looking forward to now looking forward to a leader who do they can trust to make a piece for them or to get out of this for in the best one relationship where you crane as possible. i can tell you that their diploma underscore and the brain best austic the percentage of a different class does all of the state abroad. nobody came back to the print, 60 percent of the matter form the grade is lost. the diplomacy, cordova, is ticket. all these people wait, it's not even asking them to come back because they are not looking for the policy where they're looking for what was more, because that's what the west wants them to be. because that's why how they stay in power. nobody's thinking about the cleaning and on the grounds, they're just pushing them to, to the blood shed and to the graveyard. that's more than 700000. the prayer of them died for $400.00 each or 12 this process. you know, nikolai, what do i worry about? i already made reference to it, but you know, we had this uh, quote unquote peace conference. so didn't result in much,

i mean even even look at the find them. you can, you can communicate was really watered down. it really didn't address the, is a lensky piece proposal. but there is no willingness on the part of the west to, to relent here. there they won't even getting and go into negotiations when they would do the russian government repeatedly say, you know, well, you know, make my day to test out. so, you know, we want to negotiate. they won't even negotiate here. what, what's all the alternative is, is just to escalate and i, i, i'm, i'm very, very worried that we're going to continue up the escalation lighter than you know, what russia it keeps following them up. that's no problem with the escalation. um, i have had some very so real conversations with american diplomats supporting ukraine. they are now retired. but um,

as the impression that i get from talking to them is a certain calm about the prospect of putting going beyond a certain level of threat. or they don't think any nuclear weapons or, or any serious incursion into nato is at all likely. although the nichol, i, i have to stop you there and you know, serious. so what say less than serious meaning what? well, i mean for it, for example, they've vaunted f sixteens. everyone's talk all about whether or not going to ukraine is lock at a station. those uh, the, that aircraft inside of ukraine. okay. number one, the maintenance is, is enormous. the, the runways are very sophisticated. uh, these planes need to be for a landing, you know, on uh, basically an ice skating rink. it has to be really, really flat. so they're gonna station them in romania and poland. why would russia refrain from destroying those airfields?

because of a reluctance of russia to escalate the matter which turns basically the give the initiative over to nato. i think what we're likely to see is a number of air skirmishes over ukraine. and if those should, for some reason not go well for russia, then i think the military options expand, but i suspect that at least initially rusher expects to do well in these conflicts. and again, we have historical precedent. we have a fighter jets from russia in the north korean war and china and in vietnam. so again, there is historical precedent and we don't need to expect always the worst standard real i visited really i, i find it really astounding. i mean, i think you should, to, is it, there, there is, there is a hypothetical. well,

we might get into error skirmishes. we, you know, with that leads a goes to greater escalation. i mean, nobody says, all we want is to use plain sir. that wasn't a good nobody know, we have to be more planes and we have to escalate even more. the problem is the past that we're on right now. and they, there's only one track. it's the award track in the west right now. what we need to use to activate a diplomacy track, but the forces in the west, the political forces are not strong enough to do so. and therefore, probably the, the global south of the thing is, it's now called needs to become much more insistent on promoting diplomacy as a solution. what? well look, i mean, how many young men in the european union want to put on a uniform and go fight in the ukraine? i think i would say nobody, i would say nobody to,

to add the baltics. probably you would find people in poland, the politics to believe what, what some nature was saying before the rest, young man don't long to go to war on the ukrainian issue. absolutely not nowhere from spending to, to august sweden or not even fin up. nobody was the of war with the, with russia that's been feeling soft and people really, you know, and be for the golf months when they say, for example, balance your man, i'm in the process. now. you belcher visit the, going to give o r f. 16. they wouldn't give to, by the end of this year, and the rest will go probably closer to 2028, one by then the conflict will be furnished, of course, and they know it. so they just put the break on the whole issue. they tried to find some money to send the grain to painful. they're all right, little side liquid glue, rapidly running out of time, and then when they get the last minute of the program to upgrade. go ahead. andre,

here today we have to talk about witnessing the war and i agree with everybody here . there has to be the west has to break a tall. it has to be a call from the white house, from the, by the ministration from originally solves to food. and you say, well, let's start to go cheap. and then this is the cost of putting on the train. uninstalled will not be able to the euro has other in the ability to do this, only watch them the one who started this warranty. owing this, we have free free to enter the software by calling to do an image. but here's what i'll do that because the electrons are coming to somebody will do this before you actually, he's done, it's over for him. so they're going to wait out until the electrons and good morning training and rush lives into the ground. you know, you know, that's, that, i think what it's a really important, remember, it gives people, you know, we've had disobey ukraine's going to the west ukraine saying, and the he's ukraine is right where it is. and it isn't going anywhere. and we should save that country and as many people as possible, that should be an end, the war. pursue peace or a gentleman that's all the time we have on a think, my guessing kingston basil and in brussels. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at

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