to prolong the, the conflict and to give the appearance that it had some kind of global consensus. so your thoughts over the last week or so go ahead i think you're right to call the designation of piece so mad into question. because again, how can you have a piece negotiation without want the major people involved in the conflict? so, so what it turns out to be is essentially a grouping to put a pressure on russia. and that is in the, in that sense it, it really didn't move the process forward any and, and then can put things, talk to the international diplomats. and i think to be fair, somewhat eclipsed this with somebody because at the end of the russian, as

a result of what we can said, a 3 things happened to move the piece process forward. if that is the desired objective piece of the desired objective rather than victory . right. so one is both and clearly simplified the negotiating process. we went down from the ukraine's 10 points to food use one point and there is only one voice that became mandatory. that is an official statement that ukraine does not intend to join nato. the 2nd thing that is, initiative accomplished, is to offer something that ukraine is not offering and that is to end the blood shed now. and that is done simply by withdrawing the troops separating the troops. and i would highlight something that hasn't been typically highlighted that there are inputs is proposal no initial concessions required,

is simply to get to the negotiating table. let's withdraw the troops stopped the blood shed. and we do, however, want this commitment on good faith to not to join nato. and i guess the 3rd point, which is more of a public relations of who i would say for a bulletin is that he proposed by his proposal rather put the lie to the frequent western statements that rush intends to conquer all of ukraine. and from there move on into europe, because in effect, russia has defined explicitly and its territorial objectives. the 4 occupied territories which are the 4 occupied territories. well, it, it's interesting locates a, uh, you know, and watching the coverage of the so called peace conference. it's a shelf life has been remarkably short. i mean, for the reasons a nichol, i just presented to us because there's a fuller picture out there and you know,

i see it with every passing day. well, another country takes their name off of the the, the communicate at the end of the conference here. and even you have the, me, a, you cranky and for administer say, basically maybe next time we should invite the russians. i mean, the whole thing turned out to be a complete waste of time, and it didn't help ukraine. you're good. oh, i don't see how would move the needle for ukraine whatsoever. so it was a real bus that way. and i agree with nikolai, i mean if you look at the broader picture here, there is something to start negotiating, but it's not coming from the ukrainian slash nato side. go ahead, look, i found, i think, as you say, god, it's the beginning of the end. but your brain on this cultural shows clearly that the support is dwindling. among the supposed partners, i mean my toll our eyes later, the summit and the left early bite. indeed, they even gone, etc, etc. at the same time, as long as an ascii one to the point of stock in berlin,

entered the esl bringing us to evaluate that is, and there, there was nobody to listen to the whole family if you the last and the right or totally be absent. and the center, my goodness center, for example. we are very scarce of all that. it was a brand new scares, bulletins and down the crate in. and of course the bricks did not accept the branding of the conclusion something that's the. so what was the purpose of this train? it doesn't work, mr. savanski, you know, andre, one of the thing, you know, i looked at a lot of commentary and to be honest with you commentary that i tend to agree with . okay. and it, but they talk about the beginning of the end of ukraine. i don't want to see the end of ukraine at all. i want to see the end of this senseless war. and so what does it take? and i've always wanted to ask you, you are ukranian diplomat. you know, they, they use the phrase that you, ukraine is a victim. but if you look at zalinski and the people that as he is surrounded and

so they volunteered for this, why do they have the right to keep volunteering, young, ukrainian men to go into a meat grinder and today? sure, you're totally correct. there's an artist, acumen to this, but when he became ready for president has an unexcused deal, but he's going to make peace with the devil himself. it was a plan i worked for the last you see while he was also president 6, there was a fine for the last you could come to don't boss and make a speech 2 weeks later after his migration was up to the people that don't boss together with the russian federation knowledge that these are you bringing people and we should get the minister courts on track. it was great inside that house piece. any grain and kind of autonomy for the eastern part of the crating and have you bring back together without the civil war. but all when a carriage once, when basically you're honest, you went under those article section really and, and in the west and the agreed to this for, he agreed to this for 2 years before the war even started. she was prepared for

this war. monday was story, everything was the prepared, the most report from the side. we remember that process when the russian negotiated this whole issue to both peace, ford and i as a premium. i spoke about peace for years and years. the court, even this war was happening while there was still a war 8 on boss. nobody listen. we had the position channels pro that spoke about peace. we had people who spoke about peace putting on to the list, so we to kill you crazy. this is what was the last 2, are you any brain? don't read one benefit today, i believe was the graham. and then as i see, is that all different president on the article one or 3 isn't there's no general government decree. and until this time, well, the lead brain needs to change. if you green wants, peace doesn't need to go up in america world, the warmongers in washington in london. it needs to resign, but it's on have a sovereign decision. let's say look. first of all, as to, for example, war his regime, we will move away, we will sign the agreement to move away. we're having you don't really pray and

have the premiums decide what they want. we're going to want a piece, government or a war and government. i believe you the koreans, on the ground. well, what would work for peace because we're more and more you trainers today are looking for a peace deal with russia. they understand that there is no way out putting into really is losing. and the loss of that before they even to work together. um exactly neighborhoods that they, they made. it was determined on the 1st day, nikolai, i mean, looking again at putting in speech to the diplomatic community, which gets so little coverage in the west. they do. it's really, it's really appalling considering the stakes. i don't see, i don't see any more real patients. this are teaching patients that we've seen over the last 2 and a half years. and i think the, the russian authorities know that they are, there is no good faith in the west. this conference proved it. and that they may start pushing a lot harder. and again, we're given the environment,

the or nato is say, is going to have half a 1000000 men, then it'll be around more radiating and we're talking about activating new killer as um, um, strategies and all about this is get to get very ugly, very quickly. i'm very worried about that nikolai. well, the diplomacy involves a lot of plastering. and then the posturing is exaggerated by the media. you know, there's an old uh, austrian saying that um, how do war start? politicians lie to journalists right then, believe what they read in the newspapers back. that was gotten so much worse now with the internet. it's literally impossible to know what is true and what is not because respectable. figure sore people that we are told they are informed and respectable. so absolutely contradictory things. so that leaves me

as an observer to suspect that if anything is going to happen is going to happen outside of the public eye. and here we can simply speculate. i do think it is likely that there are all sorts of private contacts between ukrainian military officials and russian military officials. you know, of course, to work out the details about the prisoner exchanges and things like that. but you know, discussion that go on one thing leads to what other they try to feel each other out or there's all sorts of, uh, the discussions along with the diplomatic community. some of which gets leaked to the browser. yeah. but nickel really quite. i agree with you, but we're rapidly, rapidly coming to the break. but do they have enough agency to make decisions? i get, you know, this seems like, you know, this is mia grey and project run out of london,

brussels and washington as they do if they want to. and what is interesting about the recent spate of re arrest of firings, of senior political officials in queue is that some people in the west are interpreting that as a way for is the land, steve, to try to give himself a little more maneuverability by all right. all right, hold that thought nichol i cause that's fascinating. we have to go to a hard break gentleman. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our take the look forward to talking to you all. that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings except we're so shorter is it conflict

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a when i was wrong? just don't you have to shape out because the and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look so common ground the the welcome at the prospect were all things are considered. i'm peter le belcher mind. you were discussing. you create the look um, uh, over the weekend we, we had a foreign minister loved off a speaking to the media and he did it this time in english. and he brought up,

you know, i'm paraphrasing here, how this is an a lead project in the west this ukraine project. and what about the democratic processes in, in europe, in the united states? i mean, as you well know, you that where europe and elections here and um, the issue of ukraine, if it was mentioned at all, it was not a vote get or it was a vote loser. we have uh the governments of france and germany and a tail spin because of the election outcome. even though the u. k is no longer part of the european union. they are having to pay the cost as well for their, um, um, interest uh over the ukraine over their own people. how does this play into it? we have this farcical peace conference and we have, you know, europe and revolt view in revolts. go ahead, look the bulk of the moments in europe is that every party on the left or right, especially on the right, that substances don't rush out all day at the same fuchs as russia,

on many options, all, all the ceasefire. they keep silent because they are afraid of the global moved into west and we all bombarded by a press which is really supporting you train permanently and full length to pull the patients involved, calling the elite law supporting the government of savanski. they cannot turn back any more. and so of the people were really where, what happens and the ukraine was not really a topic during the european directions, not much. everybody tried to avoid, you know, and to tip toe out of the room. if anybody talked about training, what is the thing sure for the coming months and years is the fact that it's probably the replacement all reduce that bought it out of the tie representative of your to full for on the phase will be replaced by kaiser called us the estonian

prime and i stuck. oh, great on the water you will still not. i am for you, right. wonderful. so is the danger, you know this one good. create 3. it will have to enter your pin permission with her if you. well, i mean, of course, you know, you, they, they talk a lot about ukraine, but it doesn't really help you create andre, who, you know, way as this conflict goes forward here. how much do people in ukraine have an input in this here? because i am very cynical about this whole project because i can, i think, any realistic person thinking realistically that this conflict is going to end this lot, gonna end and ukraine's favor. but those in you, in care of and they love a power is and then have power. they just want to keep this going. i mean, it's very profitable for them. i mean, how many of the already have homes in miami and, and tell or be even bank accounts. you know, i'm not, i, i think my cynicism is warranted because that is one reason to keep the complet

going. of course, joe biden doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. joseph burrell doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. nobody in the european union empower, wants to admit this. so it's kind of a nurse. so going on, the money just keeps flowing on today. yeah, we use it for these people, our whole owns the last is owned by washington, london. wash in london is owned by the most investor complex. and with each state, there's no solver and leave there. and all these problems, even the, all the g 7, and if you need to wrap a, all those meters are all controls when washington are wondering. so the only solver meter, now this is the frame, is today, it was talking about peace from his own perspective. and you, craig, and the situation is somebody out of the perspective of washington. unfortunately, i have to say there's no sovereignty brain. there's a no independence. after the doing the 14th, the plane told her was like she was holding on to power a for as long as possible cuz he understands there's going to be

a change in might be a change soon because of tensions. of the people which here in the brain are grown . they are basically the government that you're not talking about in public to their site. but the, he, the government moved everything to the government. so the west will make a change between whatever they don't me, you pray for one of their home for the portion you go to literacy and design. it's next to the next look forward to so low and tensions of the people are we trained so they will come with pitchforks on their own. they try to top of the government issues as something somebody into the was the need this to happen at all. and that's what people in the training are looking forward to. they're looking for to a leader who they can trust to make a piece for them or to get out of this for in the best one relationship where you crane as possible. i can tell you that the promoter score and the brain best austic is presented with different labs that all of the state abroad. nobody came back to the price. 60 percent of the better for me rates is lost. the diplomacy co ever is

taking, all these people lakes is not even asking them to come back because they are not looking for the policy. well, they're looking for what we have, what's more because that's what the west watch. some should be good. that's my how the staying power. nobody's thinking about the cleaning and on the brown. they're just pushing them to, to the blood shed and to the graveyard. that's more than 700000. the premiums have died for 400 ager throughout this process. you know, nikolai, what do i worry about? i already made reference to it, but you know, we had this uh, quote unquote peace conference. they didn't result in much, i mean, even even look at the find them. you can, you can communicate was really watered down. it really didn't address the, is a lensky piece proposal. but there is no willingness on the part of the west to, to relent here. there they won't even get and go into negotiations when they, with the russian government repeatedly say, you know, well, you know, make my day to test out. so, you know, we want to negotiate. they won't even negotiate here. what, what's all the alternative is, is just to escalate and i, i, i'm, i'm very,

very worried that we're going to continue up the escalation lot or, and you know, what russia it keeps following them up. that's the problem with the escalation. um, i have had some very real conversations with american diplomats supporting ukraine. they are now retired. but um, uh, the impression that i get from talking to them is a certain calm about the prospect of putting going beyond a certain level of threat. or they don't think any nuclear weapons or, or any serious incursion into nato is at all likely. although the oh no, no nichol, i, i have to stop you there and you know, serious. so what say less than serious meaning what?

well, i mean, for a, for example, they vaunted at 60 ins. everyone's talk all about whether or not going to ukraine is lock at a station. those uh, the, that aircraft inside of ukraine. okay. number one, the maintenance is, is enormous. the, the runways are very sophisticated. these planes need to be for a landing, you know, on uh, basically an ice skating rink. it has to be really, really flat. so they're gonna station them in romania and poland. why would russia refrain from destroying those airfields? because of a reluctance of russia to escalate the matter which turns basically the give the initiative over to nato. i think what we're likely to see is a number of air skirmishes over ukraine. and if those should, for some reason not go well for russia, then i think of the military options expand, but i suspect that at least initially rusher expects to do well in these

conflicts. and again, we have historical precedent. we have a fighter jets from russia in the north korean war and china and in vietnam. so again, there is historical precedent and we don't need to expect always the worst standard rate until i visited really i, i find it really astounding. i mean, i think you should, to, is it, there, there is a hypothetical. well, we might get into error skirmishes. we, you know, with that leads that goes to greater escalation. i mean, nobody says, oh, we won't, if you use plain. so that wasn't a bit. nobody know, we have to be more planes and we have to escalate even more. the problem is the past that we're on right now. and they, there's only one track. it's the award track in the west right now. what we need used to activate a diplomacy track, but the forces in the west,

the political forces are not strong enough to do so. and therefore, probably the, the global south west bank is, it's now called needs to become much more insistent on promoting diplomacy as a solution. but well, look, i mean, how many young men in the european union want to put on a uniform and go fight in the ukraine? i think i would say nobody, i would say nobody to, to add the baltics. probably you would find people in poland. the politics to believe what locks on major was saying, but for the rest, young man don't long to go to war on the ukrainian issue. absolutely not nowhere from spring to, to august sweden or not even fed up. nobody boss of war with the, with russia, that's the feeling soft and people really, you know, and be for the golf months when they say, for example,

balance your man. i'm in the process not belcher visit the going to give all are of 16. then when give to, by the end of this year, and the rest will come probably closer to 2028, one by then the conflict will be furnished, of course, and they know it. so they just put the break on the whole issue. they tried to find some money to send to you, graham, too painful. they're all right, little side liquid glue, rapidly running out of time, and then when they get the last minute of the program to under a go ahead. andre. here today we have to talk about witnessing the war and i agree with everybody here. there has to be the west has to make a call and ask for call from the white house, from the bible ministration from bridge myself to food and you say the rest start to go cheap and then this is the cost of putting on the train. uninstalled will not be able to do. euro has not been in the ability to do this. only watch them the one who started this one pre owned this one for you, free to enter the software by calling to do an image. but he won't do that because

the lectures are coming because somebody will do this before you actually. he's done, it's over for him. so they're going to wait out until the elections then good morning to bring it on, rush lives into the ground. you know, you know, that's, that, i think what it's a really important to remember, it does. people, you know, we've had disobey ukraine's going to the west ukraine staying in the he's, ukraine is right where it is and it isn't going anywhere. and we should save that country and as many people as possible, that should be at the end, the war. pursue peace or a gentleman that's all the time we have one to take my guessing kingston basil and in brussels. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the next time. and remember across tablets the the, every spring and summer. the melting optics move reveals a band and machinery,

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