the best of part of the hello and welcome to cross stock. were all things are considered. i'm peter real about this was hosting ukraine. peace conference was an abject failure. it failed because the issue of peace was not on the agenda. they did everything they could to escalate and pro long the complex. meanwhile, moscow has its own plans to cnn, to the fight, the cross. i think the great, i'm joined by my guess, make a live petro in kingston. he's a professor of political science at the university of rhode island in brussels. we

have look relay to you as an independent journalist and in bows that we cross the andre dealership in co. he is a farmer, ukrainian diplomat. quite gentleman cross that goes in effect, that means you can jump it anytime you want. and i always appreciate nichol. i let me go to you 1st here because we have had a lot of events happening very, very quickly. let's take a look at the end of last week when we had a president put in a dressing, russia's diplomats and sending very clearly messages about how and negotiated and to this conflict could start at least the beginning of negotiations. we have to parse that there. and then of course we have the media coverage of the swiss a so called peace initiative by ukraine. um, i think, you know, when i looked at, i looked at that all bits and in its entirety, its still tower t. we had russia and yeah, and i can see how to do that with the equations would disagree with what to put in that just say, but it least was a starting point. what we got over the weekend was no starting point at all. it was

just more of a propaganda effort to prolong the, the conflict and to give the appearance. but it had some kind of global consensus. so your thoughts over the last week or so, go ahead and i think you're right to call the designation of the piece so much into question. because again, how can you have a piece negotiation without want the major people involved in the conflict of so what it turns out to be is essentially a grouping to put a pressure on russia. and that is uh, in that, in that sense that it really didn't move the process forward any and, and then came putting this talk to the international diplomats. and i think to be fair, somewhat eclipsed this with summit because at the end of the russian, as

a result of what we can said, a 3 things happened to move the piece process forward. if that is the desired objective piece of the desired objective rather than victory . right? so one is both and clearly simplified. the negotiating process. we went down from ukraine's 10 points to 14 was one point. and there is only one point that became mandatory. that is an official statement that ukraine does not intend to join nato . so the 2nd thing that is, initiative accomplished is to offer something that ukraine is not offering, and that is to end the blood shed now. and that is done simply by withdrawing the troops separating the troops. and i would highlight something that hasn't been typically highlighted that there are inputs into proposal,

no initial concessions required. it's simply to get to the negotiating table s, let's withdraw the troops stop the blood shed. we deal, however, want this commitment on good faith to not to join nato. and i guess the 3rd point, which is more of the public relations of who i would say for a bulletin is that he proposed by his proposal rather put the lie to the frequent western statements that rush it in. tends to conquer all of ukraine and from there, move on into europe. because in effect, russia has defined explicitly and its territorial objectives before occupied territories, which are the 4 occupied territories. well it, it's interesting locates a, uh, you know, and watching the coverage of the so called peace conference. it's a shelf life has been remarkably short. i mean, for the reasons

a nichol. i just presented to us because there's a fuller picture out there. and you know, i see it with every passing day. well another country takes their name off of the, the, the communicate at the end of the conference here. and even you have the, the ukraine hand for administer. so basically, maybe next time we should invite the russians, i mean, the whole thing turned out to be a complete waste of time, and it didn't help ukraine. you're good. oh, i don't see how would move the needle for ukraine whatsoever. so it was a real bus that way. and i agree with nikolai, i mean, if you look at the broader picture here, there is something to start negotiating, but the, it's not coming from the ukrainian slash nato side. go ahead, look, i found, i think, as you said, it's the beginning of the end. but you brain on this cultural shows clearly that the support is dwindling. among the supposed partners. i mean my toll, our eyes later, the summit and the left early bite. indeed, they even gone, etc,

etc. at the same time, as long as an ascii one to the point of stock in berlin, entered the esl bringing us to evaluate that is, and there, there was nobody to listen to or for any if you, the last and the right or totally be absent. and the center, my goodness center, for example, with very scarce and all that, it was some for any scares bolton's and don't that crate in. and of course the bricks did not accept the branding of the contribution supplements to be. so what was the purpose of this thing if it doesn't work, mr. savanski, you know, andre, one of the thing, you know, i looked at a lot of commentary and to be honest with you commentary that i tend to agree with . okay. and it, but they talk about the beginning of the end of ukraine. i don't want to see the end of ukraine at all. i want to see the end of this senseless war. and so what does it take? and i've always wanted to ask you, you are you cleaning and diplomat,

you know, you know, they, they use the phrase that you, ukraine is a victim. but if you look at zalinski and the people that, as he is surrounded and so they volunteered for this. why do they have the right to keep volunteering, young, ukrainian men to go into a meat grinder and today? sure, you're totally correct. there's a nice to came into this. when he became ready for president has an unexcused deal, but he's going to make peace with the devil himself. it was a plan i worked for the last the scene while he was also president 6. there was a fine for the last you could come to don't boss and make a speech 2 weeks later after this migration was up to the people have done boss together with the russian federation. knowledge that these are you bringing people and we should get them in the courts on track. it was great inside the house piece and your grand and how autonomy for the eastern part of the crating and have you bring back together without the civil war. but all when the parents, once, when basically you're honest, you went under those article section really and,

and in the west. and the agreed to this for, he agreed to this for 2 years before the war even started. she was prepared for this war, monday was story, everything was be prepared. the most report from will decide. we remember that process when the russian, the goal, she did this whole issue to lose piece for, and i as the premium. i spoke about peace for years and years before even this war was happening. while there was civil war, a doing boss, nobody listen. we had the position channels pro that spoke about peace. we had people who spoke about peace putting on to the list. so we to kill you crazy. this is what was the last 2, are you any brain don't read when they're here today? i believe was the graham. and then as i see, is that all different president on the article one or 3 these, there's no general government, you pray there until this time. well, the lead brain needs to change. if you green wants, peace doesn't need to go with america. well, the warmongers in washington in london, it needs to do, besides, but it's on have a solid decision, let's say, look out for the rise to, for example,

was we're seeing we will move away, we will sign the agreement to move away. we're having, you don't really pray and have the premiums decide what they want. we're going to want a piece government or a war and government. i believe you. the grands on the ground. well, what would work for peace guys were more and more you trainers today are looking for a peace deal with russia. they understand that there's no way out putting into really is losing loss. so before they even to work together, i'm exactly neighborhood is a date and they, it was determined on the 1st day, nikolai, i mean, looking again at um, putting in speech to the diplomatic community. which gets so little coverage in the west. they do. it's really, it's really appalling considering the stakes. i don't see, i don't see any more real patients, the strategic patients that we've seen over the last 2 and a half years. and i think the, the russian authorities know that they are, there is no good faith in the west. this conference proved it. and that they may

start pushing a lot harder. and again, we're given the environment, the or nato is say, is going to have half a 1000000 men, then it'll be around more radiating and we're talking about activating new killer as a strategies and all about this is get to get very ugly, very quickly. i'm very worried about that nikolai. well, the diplomacy involves a lot of pastry and then the pastoring is exaggerated by the media. you know, there's an old uh, austrian saying that um, how do war start? politicians lie to journalists right then, believe what they read in the newspapers back. that was gotten so much worse now with the internet. it's literally impossible to know what is true and what is not because respectable figure or people that we are told that they are informed and respectable. so absolutely contradictory things. so that leaves me

as an observer to suspect that if anything is going to happen is going to happen outside of the public eye. and here we can simply speculate. i do think it is likely that there are all sorts of private contacts between ukrainian military officials and russian military officials. you know, of course, to work out the details about the prisoner exchanges and things like that. but you know, discussion that go on one thing leads to what other they try to feel each other out . so there's all sorts of the discussions among the diplomatic community, some of which gets leaks to the pro evan. nick. oh really quite. i agree with you. we're rapidly rapidly coming to the break, but do they have enough agency to make decisions? i guess, you know, this seems like, you know,

this is mia crane project run out of london in brussels and washington. they do if they want to. and what is interesting about the recent spate of re arrest of firings, of senior political officials in queue is that some people in the west are interpreting that as a way for is the landscape to try to give himself a little more maneuverability by all right. and already hold that, thought nikolai cause that's fascinating. we have to go to a hard break gentleman. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine. stay with our team, the the, the

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the valve cover. i don't want to go as no one. no, very good, but truly getting worse and worse every year. as we go the, the welcome at the prospect where all things are considered. i'm peter isabel, to remind you were discussing. you create the look um uh over the weekend we we had um, uh for administer. loved ralph. um, speaking to the media and he did it this time in english. um, and he brought up, you know, i'm paraphrasing here, how this is an elite project in the west this ukraine project. and what about the

democratic process sees in, in europe, in the united states? i mean, is you, well now you've been where europe and elections here and the issue of ukraine, if it was mentioned at all, it was not a vote getter. it was a vote loser. we have uh the governments of france and germany and a tail spin because of the election outcome. even though the u. k is no longer part of the european union. they're having to pay the cost as well for their, um, um, interest over the ukraine over their own people. how does this play into it? we have this car, sickle peace conference, and we have, you know, europe in result you in results. go ahead, look a problem for the moments in europe. is that every party on the last or people, right? especially on the right, that substances don't rush out all day at the same future as russia all, many options, all, all the ceasefire. they keep silent because they are afraid of the,

the global moved into west. and we all bombarded by a press which is really supporting you train permanently and full length to pull the patients in baffling the inmates wall supporting the government of savanski bait the panel on the trunk back anymore. and so of the people were really wearing apples and ukraine was not really a topic during the european directions, not much. everybody tried to avoid, you know, and to tip toe out of the room. if anybody talked about training, what is the thing sure for the coming months and years is the fact that it's probably uh, the replacement all reduce that bought it out of the home 5 representative of your to full for on the phase will be replaced by kaiser killed us, the strong in prime and i stuck. oh great on the water you will still not. i am for

you. right. wonderful. so is the danger, you know this one good. create 3, it will have to enter your pin permission, which so if you, well, i mean, of course, you know, you, they, they talk a lot about ukraine, but it doesn't really help you create andre, who, you know, way as this conflict goes forward here. how much do people in ukraine have an input in this here? because i am very cynical about this whole project because i can, i think, any realistic person thinking realistically that this conflict is going to end this lot, gonna end and ukraine's favor. but those in you, in care of and they love a power is and then have power. they just want to keep this going. i mean, it's very profitable for them. i mean, how many of the already have homes in miami and, and tell a be even bank accounts. you know, i'm not, i, i think my cynicism is warranted because that is one reason to keep the complet going. of course, joe biden doesn't want to admit it. was a mistake,

but joseph burrell doesn't want to admit it was a mistake. nobody in the european union empower, wants to admit this. so it's kind of a nurse. so going on, the money just keeps flowing on today. yeah, we use it for these people, our whole owns the last is owned by washington, london. wash in london is owned by the most investor complex. and with each state, there's no solver and leave there. and all these problems, even the, all the g 7, and if you need to rapidly, all those meters are all controls with washington or london. so the only solver meter, now this is the frame, is today, it was talking about peace from his own perspective. and you, craig, and the situation is somebody out of the perspective of washington. unfortunately, i have to say there's no sovereignty brain. there's a no independence after the dual sporty. she pray and told her was like she was holding onto power for as long as possible. cuz he understands there's going to be a change in might be a change soon because of the tensions of the people which you have any brain or grow. they are basically the government that you're not talking about

a couple of their site. but the, he, the government moved everything to the government, so the west will make a change between whatever they don't me, you pray for one of their home, for the prostate, go to the literature and designing 60 versus what we're gonna look forward to. so low and tensions of the people are we trained so they will come with pitchforks on their home. they try to top of the government issues as something somebody into the was the need this to happen at all. and that's what people are looking forward to now looking forward to liter booted, they can trust to make a piece for them or to get out of this for in the best one relationship where you crane as possible. i can tell you that the promoter score and the brain spastic is presented with different labs that all of the state abroad. nobody came back to the price. 60 percent of the better for me rates is lost. the diplomacy co ever is taking, all these people lakes is not even asking them to come back because they are not looking for the policy. well, they're looking for what we have, what's more,

because that's what the west wants them to be, because that's why how they stay in power. nobody's thinking about the cleaning and on the brown. they're just pushing them to, to the blood shed and to the graveyard. that's more than 700000. the prayers have died for $400.00 each or 12 this process. you know, nikolai, what do i worry about? i already made reference to it, but, you know, we had this uh, quote unquote peace conference. they didn't result in much. i mean, even even look at the find them you can, you can communicate was really watered down. it really didn't address the is a lensky piece proposal. but there is no willingness on the part of the west to, to relent here. there, they won't even get. and go into negotiations when they would do the russian government repeatedly say, you know, well, you know, make my day to test out. so, you know, we want to negotiate, they won't even negotiate here. what, what's all the alternative is, is just to escalate and i, i, i'm, i'm very,

very worried that we're going to continue up the escalation lighter than you know, what russia it keeps following them up. that's no problem with the escalation. um, i have had some very real conversations with american diplomats supporting ukraine. they are now retired. but um, as the impression that i get from talking to them is a certain calm about the prospect of putting going beyond a certain level of threat. or they don't think any nuclear weapons or, or any serious incursion into nato is at all likely. although there's no, no, no, no nichol, i, i have to stop you there and you know, serious. and so what's a less than serious meaning what? well, i mean for a, for example, the vaunted f sixteens, everyone's talk all about whether or not going to ukraine is lock at

a station. those uh, the, that aircraft inside of ukraine. okay. number one, the maintenance is, is enormous. the, the runways are very sophisticated. these planes need to be for a landing, you know, on uh, basically an ice skating rink. it has to be really, really flat. so they're gonna station them in romania and poland. why would russia refrain from destroying those airfields? because of a reluctance of russia to escalate the matter which turns basically the give the initiative over to nato. i think what we're likely to see is a number of air skirmishes over ukraine. and if those should, for some reason not go well for russia, then i think the military options expand. but i suspect that at least initially russia expects to do well in these conflicts. and again,

we have historical precedent. we have a fighter jets from russia in the north korean war and china and in vietnam. so again, there is historical precedent and we don't need to expect always the worst standard read. oh, i visited really i, i find it really as founding. i mean, i think you should to, is it, there, there is, there is a hypothetical. well, we might get into error skirmishes. we, you know, with that leads that goes to greater escalation. i mean, nobody says, oh, we won't, if you use planes or that wasn't a good nobody know, we have to be more planes and we have to escalate even more. the problem is the past that we're on right now. and they, there's only one track. it's the award track in the west right now. what we need to use to activate a diplomacy track, but the forces in the west, the political forces are not strong enough to do so. and therefore, probably the,

the global south of the thing is, it's now called needs to become much more insistent on promoting diplomacy as a solution. but well, look, i mean, how many young men in the european union want to put on a uniform and go fight in the ukraine? i think i would say nobody, i would say nobody to, to add the baltics. probably you would find people in poland. the politics to believe what walks on nature of the same, but for the rest, young man, don't long to go to war on the ukrainian issue. absolutely not nowhere from spring to too long is sweet and often not even fed up. nobody's boss of war with the, with russia. that's been the feeling soft up people really, you know, and be for the golf months when they say, for example, belcher man, i'm in brussels now belcher, bishop, be going to give o r f. 16. they wouldn't give to, by the end of this year,

and the rest clinical probably closer to $22081.00 by then the conflict will be furnished with gloss and they know it. so they just put the brake on the whole issue. they tried to find some money to send the grain to pay in full. they're all right, little side liquid glue, rapidly running out of time. and then when they get the last minute of the program to um, get a, go ahead. andre. here today we have to talk about witnessing the war and i agree with everybody here. there has to be the west has to make a call and ask for call from the white house, from the bible ministration from originally solves to food. and they say, well, let's start to go cheap and then this is the cost of putting on the train. uninstalled will not be able to europe as others in the ability to do this. only watch them the one who started this one feeling this one for you free to enter the software by calling to do an image. but here's what i'll do that because the electrons are coming to somebody will do this before you actually, he's done, it's over for him. so they're going to wait out where children electrons and good

morning training and rush lives into the ground. you don't, you know that i think what it's a really important to remember because people, you know, we've had disobey ukraine's going to the west ukraine staying in the he's, ukraine is right where it is and it isn't going anywhere. and we should save that country and as many people as possible, that should be at the end, the war. pursue peace or a gentleman that's all the time we have on a think, my guessing kingston basil and in brussels. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz the next time. and remember across tablets the

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