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because it might just change the way and say 41 percent of you have to dial to have a non savings to cover a $1000.00 emergency. we have record numbers of americans who are on the verge of having their cars repossess more than a 137000000 americans are facing financial hardship because of medical. then in america, we do have a welfare system in place to help people who are struggling financially, but it's a conditional system. get approved to the government that you truly need helps the simplest way, like to explain the basic income is that is like social security for the rest of us . a basic income would be a monthly payments that would go to everyone. just a $1000.00 a month, no strings attached to you. so hey about our life. then maybe i don't know. i just won't go crazy. the reason that i am a fan of guaranteed income because it is this idea that everybody is deserve. and
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then just by virtue of your being here, the the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered on peter lavelle since the events of october 7th. israel's made a series of strategic errors for the most part this has occurred because of the strategic blindness and weakness of the, by the administration. and there is no evidence either party is learned anything from these mistakes. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, good work i most on in berlin is boundary of seriana analysis. and here in moscow, we crossed to dmitri ball, which is
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a political analyst. it spoke nic international, regional, across black roles, and effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate hardwood start out in berlin because local, you know, in my introduction i talked about strategic errors in one strategic era. come pounds to another. i mean, which really quite remarkable. in the last few days, we have had the idea of not the government, but the idea of a come out and say you cannot defeat from us because i'm off as an idea. well, that's kind of elementary to all of us. they've been watching this conflict from the very beginning, and now we see it as a form of risk. i don't know. it could be just smoking mirrors, we've seen these things before. but i mean, if you want to look at strategic cares, that's the number one. and then from there it just compounds itself worse and worse until we get to this point, almost 9 months later, your thoughts actually, i don't want to make any comparisons between homos and other islamists organizations,
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but the u. s. has already warned israel not to repeat the same mistakes that they have company that after the $911.00. right. i mean, how much is a natural development of 2 decades of suppressing the palestinians at the beginning? the resistance was the left wing. it was a socialist. sometimes it was a nationalist, and all of them were called to artists. and this has never looked into more different versions that say off and armed resistance against the organization. i know we have how much because they, it's easy to use their religion to come to bring the people and unite them together against the enemy. so in this case the, it is where i just have taken what is called a strategic decision to ethnically cleanse the palestinians from the guns upstream . this is the decision because in a decade or 2 they cannot sustain israel as an apartheid country. therefore, they want to ethnically cleansed the palestinians, but this is a strategic mistake because they have under estimated the resistance in gaza and
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also on the grand scheme they have under estimated the ideology behind the resistance. so now how much is engaged is an idea, and anyone in the guys are sure any fighting age man could join. how much out of frustration out of the grief for the pain that these are i just are inflicting upon the policy. and so you don't have to believe in how mazda is ideal, allowed you to join how much you only have to believe that's what these values are doing in the gaza strip is wrong, and they have chills, your family, and you want to fight against them. so this is the huge mistake by the israelis and the americans are working with nothing. you know, they're, they're walking with them for the edge of abby's and they're taking the people up the region with them to the edge of this. and do we are very, very close to an arm, a good one scenario and i hope i'm going in this case. well, we'll talk a little bit about that later on. is gonna edema and the, the, you know, another strategic areas. i don't know if it's a good cop bad cop strategy where you we have, you know,
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the bike ministration is for a 2 state solution. you know, i, i, i'm so tired of hearing that rhetoric and is gone nowhere. and then we have, uh, also the uh, these relays under the premier shape of letting you know, saying that they will be now until they, you know, the, i don't know if they're trying to just make a full lot of us or exhaust us because that's the strategy, exhausting people, but i mean again, you know, there is no coherence here and the as a result, both united states and israel look at fault here and it were and even worse, fema the low. it's not the 1st time that tonight the states that you send in conflict and so, you know, it's, it's like we can see that the part of china, but we want that part of china to be ready to fight china and prove it. that's, you know, and, and we have pumping on, so that's part of china against the remainder of the church. that's very strange, but that's what we hear the same with these 2 stage settings. i think the history
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here is very complicated, but if we reduce it to not show basically what happened was that uh, not immediately but often night is 67. the west stop. it can see during either through a part of itself and the ideology of the more than when i pull it out for the bird isn't it presupposes that west and c position is to be older, otherwise f to a be after co be uh and uh this is a cubic by more delicate means that means the 19th century, i mean, there's no need to alter by. oh dear. so you know, if you can just, you know, of just saying, but it wasn't by the front. but everyone understood that the fringe that we're going to write it will go right to the arabs, even though yes they are there, but it's a suppressed. so in the same way, uh little by little less. uh, the same way as from a bundle of
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d is the west learned to pursue the same colonial. what did she buy nice to meet? you know, uh, operate, just broke. she is the author into the store. they leads 16 uh the resources out to offshore accounts. and these are uh for several reasons. uh, there's no time to prove it. it's, you know, these are federal now be shapes like a 90 and the same pre colonial vault. you know? and the problem is, what's your situation? the problem is realize there's the internet to today. i have are, i have used the lab use that argument before. is it, have this for the 19th century, the genocide would be complete and it would be just left up to historians compared to it's one of the interesting things also is that, you know, because of the way western media has framed the, the conflict berry on equal conflict at that, i mean when use complex, he said like there are 2 sides. well, there 2 sides. one has enormous power and the other is an occupied people. and,
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you know, again, you, i agree with, you can call whatever you want from us, but it's a resistance group at the very least. okay. but, you know, the, the problem is that the united states in israel and it's proxies in the west, they will never consider this as a colonials of colonial settler project. and it's something that doesn't work in the 21st century because of some, and most of the countries, the world that we have the day in the united nations were victims of western imperialism. look, it's very normal that the americans entropy is we're not to consider israel as an occupation or the colonial state because as the be honest case said is rarely presents the eyes and ears of the west and ward and the americans in the middle east. and the americans have implied and employed a very simple strategy that anyone can see true and that is divide and concur. and these riley is, have been dividing and come, cutting the region and also inviting american occupation enbridge and to do the
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bidding of these rarely, as they have done it, any of our we have done it in the regime change board in syria. and now they are urging the americans to fight their fight against the hezbollah, against east on. therefore, it's very, it's very easy for me to see this a, the is really intention to bring the americans into the region because they are in the very big by name of the moment. they are fighting against an armed resistance in guys, i call them whatever you want. this people are fighting with this on those. and i'm watching the videos and they are shooting is riley forces. they're not getting babies. they're not feeling good. a woman and children in big as if this is what i see from the footage. i like the footage coming from these various sites. it's been easy nowadays in the area of social media to make comparisons and see the different military tactics of different size. and therefore, at the moment, i totally see that these various are, you know, really big trouble. and they can, they see that the only way out from this is to bring the americans into the region
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again. but this is not in the interest of the united states. if you think about internationally, the americans have no business at the moment to wage award in the region. their business from their perspective is far east asia of what they see and say, this is the trip coming from china. so they want to contain china. therefore, this war in the middle east. if the americans come in, i say that it will be against the interest of the americans in ukraine and also against the american interest in taiwan. they are exhausting their resources by coming to the region again. and this time, the players of the region at the state and normally state act as already for the americans. it's not 2000 actually, all the parties, how our military rise and all the parties have gained experience in the past few decades. and they've been preparing for this for a quarter century. if we look at the side of mommy and his strategy, you know, to me, you said something, you know, but you know,
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is real. he likes to say there are an extension of the west and the west as israel's, and it is rarely say they are and extension as well. i mean, but, you know, given particularly the history of the united states with slavery and jim crow, how can i be excited state say that they share our values when it's in apartheid, racist supremacist state and, and the whole world sees the hypocrisy about to, oh, well uh okay, uh, let's view and i don't want you to, you know, there i go with the west. is it it tell you i'm sure about that? i can give a lot of, oh, you know, such as destruction of history such as uh, finding a group that is supposedly, uh, was so bad the preston deposit that everyone has to go to the government was supposedly supposed to represent the group. so uh, darian uh, i told you uh if it to pass a wall desperation and the shut them to the west and the better than i told you about kaiser. uh well this patient has to go. sure, very simple. never. it should be
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a better idea of the big skin up step. so it didn't matter to put both these are, it was very simple. refugees, you know, with software print for, for us, the, uh, phones they are fine. oh, what sanctuary even meet at least for some reason the locals given flight am. so there was these unfortunate ethnic yes, there are some really pills. some of these refugees would call themselves, but oil in old, they're more there. this is a simplistic narrative which is of course, roll out by the eighty's been repeated all the time. i mean it, i'm sorry, and rush. it would have the same simplistic narrative from the west of all to paint . but russia use a colonial or your radio square, all as a 2nd rate people. this is simply not true. green soviet, to green was a part of soviet the leads going out of ramsey are from crucial, came from ukraine also. but the, because people, most of the people have no time to go uh to
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a library and the see for themselves. they, they sometimes, uh, by the west merrick. uh, but the less than that or the football easier. it was just getting too aggressive. that'd be cold. the wall street journal. you know, just of a few days ago that it was a headlines ease. right. when the surrender of the west, the all of these shelby steel here is what the, what the rights just very quickly today william the west, 30 luck some to use all media to white list. we seem embarrassed. we crash they doing course our board, us less. we seem racist. you have the same way like we are trish with them to help us route last we see cool. and then they see what it's doing if i'm not impressed with the problems but it's do you just use that base? have an internalized sample repeat or, and the group gets cut off when the order to dissipate that period. so this is a very nice way to explain, you know,
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uh people see how thousands of children we mail are being killed every day. and then sometimes the drum says, oh no, no, that's not important. these people are suffering because they have some type of logical broadwell, you know, i'm gonna have to jump in here to go to break, but know that there is a psychotic group of people in washington and israel that are doing this. it's about the palestinians general that i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real nice stay with our to
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excuse us for the defense or to supplement the setup button. and not to mention that button once. did you lose it asked who i think if i see the media, i know people, there's only 2 reasons. could you say you need to be sure to be presented? it was worth your money order work. you're done statements. the industry only is it will. what's money will funnel says really left? so should william farmer shops might give us who we have court cost or to go and what decision did my name and what was that man? it was a what was that ridiculous on the what is the best one today? and but you know, so that's what it is that something to set. i'm showing total suspect pretty sure can was i'm patient did it for she's getting those are the best. do what i mean? there's a, there's a problem. the
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welcome back. across that were all things are considered. i'm peter will about you and you were discussing something real news. burke, let me go back to you. we have benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel, invited to address a joint session of congress in july. so when you look at western media, they're looking at the optics of this with, in terms of the american election. well, he embarrass biden. well he and empower the maga group. you know, how the speaker of the house of johnson will handle. and all that, i find that all very absurd and immaterial because the whole world is going to be watching this with the i see j is doing what the icpc is doing. and then they're going to, um, wrote, roll out the red carpet for benjamin netanyahu. i can think of a worse soft power thing for the west to do right now than that. it's really upsurge, and it and it,
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and if the whatever legitimacy that the west thinks it has left is good to be put on full display for everyone to dismiss. go ahead to i remember when the ukraine installed the, it was a brilliant idea to invite it's going to talk to them back to me to wait for it. so the customer has it been for landscape? who is the p r guy who told valencia that this was a good idea? i like this is just polarizing the discussion that i even further. and similarly with binge, i mean that then yeah, we have considerable number of of course the grid that's in break is not to work criminal. i'm not trying to compare her with. i'm just saying in the piano scheme binge. i mean, not. then you always hated by many, many people in the united states and including israel, including use. uh huh. i mean, these guys support. i think that even if the people who want to support is rated when they see events, i mean that then. yeah. and people who shake hands with benjamin that the any are come out of some of a come out of the meeting and say, this guy is a psychopath. this guy can,
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to thousands of people without blinking an eye. everybody knows who has been. i mean, not then, you know, and she's testimony, it seems to be a t, as in the ninety's and how he shape the or ers, the americans to go into words in india. i think this will also send a very, very bad signal to the vast majority of the global styles who are watching what's happening in the gaza strip as the microscope we'd microscope and seeing that this could be the same, this same except it could be normalized in their own countries because if they can kill depaula, cnn's like via flies on this of humans, they can do the same thing in optic or they can do the same thing in other those middle eastern countries. i mean is, yeah. so inviting that anyhow, despite all his crimes since the signal to the rest of the world that the americans are not interested in human rights in democracy and all the key shows that they have been pitching in the past decades. and this is also going to help the alternative powers in the shop. and in china, many people support the restaurant and ukraine,
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not because they love the shot or what the story is doing. and you can, because they see true with this conflict, that this is a proxy war against the nice aids and against me too. and they want to be liberated indic on contract, some american imperialism. therefore, they support that. they support the us and especially a military offensive in ukraine. so i don't understand who is really advising the binding administration or the congress in this case. but this is very comfortable, dr. giving my opinion. i don't know. i don't know who, who's calling the shots. so i'd hear more it more often, it seems like it's some of the political a lead to in the, in, in israel, in a pack in the, in it. and it's equivalence all to the western world. that's the only explanation. let me deem a uh anthony, blinking uh i can figure out a piece of the us secretary of state, or he's the foreign minister of israel, i think. and a lot of off the cuff comments are coming out of the region after, i don't know, he's been there 8 times on the shuttle stuff. you know,
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i mean nobody, they don't think he's, you know, he, why is he speaking when he's, when they couldn't listen to what the israelis have to say, he has nothing original to say and he won't even defend the interest of his own country. it's really exasperating for a lot of people demo. oh, coming back to the idea that we've had to do it, begin or i could say some. israel is behavior on the lights and 19th century western colonial power. so, but during the last 100 years, the west has become so much more super critical. i mean, you cannot just be when we say that google suppress nice of humans, you'll have to use some of the phrases uh, you know, talking about smoky. it is nice, you'd be talking about mountain calling to really is right. of the problem. uh or the west is the israel is not using the center math though. read for the, you know, usually it'll just saying outright what the west wanted to do and what they want to do. and, and the blinking is faced with
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a diagram. here is the country that we have to support, but they use stay low around 3 proud you deal with that us and the, you know, do them the day. if somebody turns out that the west is arranging to support israel, it's like, you know, when the west is just about ready to brandon, these are you the same way i bought a box with you a lot. you know, i so i can be surprised built into both the j guilt. well, i need to get my, my, my, my, you know, the overall impression for the last, almost 9 months is that the new will look at people like jake sullivan and, and, uh, anthony blink and, and who knows what vital thinks about anything, but i mean, what you know, when you look at these policymakers, you know, where he is, the most is the perception of what's going on, not what is happening. it's the way people see it, correct. let me go to you back in berlin can be a good that if you could, you can go ahead the crime if it's not. if it's not revealed, if, if you, if you,
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perhaps they strive inmates record and no one knows, do it. you know, that's the passage. well that's the only point they want to express. some good or do you know the, the special envoy of by the administration most folks time is it was in the region last week and yeah, but now you say i, i'm going to top you, i'm going to tell you something, you probably don't know, at least i hope you don't know. keep going. i most of stein is a former idea of soldiers. he was a tank crew. he was in the israeli military and he is a double citizen. he is a dual citizen. he has an is ready passport. and he was in live on, on delivering a message to the regional conscious telling them that it has well, a has to be dropped to the north stuff late on it. or else what's the, as he is, it's an invasion of the is right. well, now before we've talked about that, which i want to do, there's another thing you forgot about his, um, um his cd. did you know that he was a director on of the energy company? very small. no,
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but uh i saw i the i only learned bad yesterday. okay. i lived you. you've touched on 11, all right, day with it. let's stay with web and on here. so the only way. okay, you israel is because a experience as a teacher to feed in gaza. okay. and so well that that's what i couldn't hold them back. the only way that they can move forward is to expand the complex and they've given what we've seen the last 9 months or like since 1967 or, or 1948. but i can pick whatever year you want. the united states is going to fight for israel went in in lebanon, and i think the united states is going to be very surprised. said other way, you better keep your aircraft carriers as far away as possible because they're going to be targets your thoughts on this because i think we're all resigned that is it one way or another? there's going to be a conflict in the north. go ahead. do you agree or disagree with has well you have to give them the credit that when they say we're going to do something, they do this. and they say,
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if we're going to completely destroy the air basis of israel and also the ports, which means the is right, is now have to use this uh, the airports in cyprus. engineer has the secretary general offer, as well as it is, is ready to use as the airports of cyprus. then they will be considered legitimate target to enter a profit you. they are able to ship this target. therefore, of israel at the moment, they haven't only failed to i think the key is that palestinians, they lost the turn in space, that'd be their enemies. they also lost the, the equation of that is where it is a safe haven for the jewish people. therefore they have to expand this war or x or defeat. because if they expand the war and the americans intervene because hope for the better outcome of this conflict, but a long themselves. they're unable to decisively finish the. they have an amazing cool thing come up or cause, well, that's why their interest. this is how they see it is put in by american intervention, and the americans are going to fight for it is right. and debates are going to fight for these. right? so this is
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a very dangerous escalation into each and nobody wants is what you're writing as we're not to want this for the syrians don't want this or even here's what i told the americans. we don't want to expand this. what we want ceased by our being goes on, we will finish the operations. so impulses funding goes on. we end this policy that this against these, right? but these are, it is last, this part in, in, because us for you because they have a strategic goal. was to push the policy and has to sign up and egypt since blocked the board as they didn't accept the processing. and so, you know, you know, decade if, if this apartheid is called has we collapse then? what is going to be the fate of any democratic one state solution, the archives of it would be the majority, and in any election they could get the prime prime minister she applied. so this is a dangerous situation afford, well, i mean that's, that's assuming that the, the west will well ever live up again to it's a principles of democracy because democracy in the west is crumbling as well. so
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maybe it and maybe it will be a better chance elsewhere. dionte my the, the, it's interesting mountain where our guest in berlin said because it's very much like the ukrainians, the zalinski crowd. they were given a, a, they were given a good deal in 2020 me to, i think, 5 times the russian. so it was kind of, i propose negotiations. we had that also it last week. so, but the longer it goes on like for is really the longer the hook comes with goes down, the more dangerous it is for israel, the longer it goes on for ukraine, more dangerous for ukraine. uh. oh, well, uh, apparently it was even mailed is when is rain is uh, a basic move further into use that cypress uh, as an database i would just like very much like what we hear uh like a f sixteens that the west will give your brain. they may not even uh, be trying to stab that sealants in ukraine, may be uh in bo and during the lenient then russia says they will get you to my
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targets of the west to sit on a row. this is an attack against they don't do it so, so it's a force that those people proceed. but basically, i think that the of these for the prostate is very important. russia to don't the, on the back all the, from us. so on the 7th to look to, but with chris blah, it's a different story. what's comfortable at the defense level and the d will objective west of the get they ride that festival. i did not the therapy. so how's, why he's responding to a post directions by israel? and what is the alternative if i mean, when the israel says something by the state, so say, well, why don't the or i don't that are just surrender? well, if you my as know, the situation that you can reach, reference nubian is throwing a lot of it. and uh, in, in the, of the part of your brain which is still controlled by zaleski, even liberal russians. and they get a reference leave. they're saying this is
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a bar rush as needed and it's the when you leave step or in front of the storm of the west, right. so both it is use papers and supports it. i mean read what the right the ball display your email. we have, right, we have run out of time, but i'm glad we ended on that. do you know the west that supports apartheid? many a part tides throughout the world. apparently, it's all the time we have gentlemen, i want to thank my gets in berlin and in moscow. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc. you next time. remember prospect goals? the, the the, what is part of the, the, is it a portable post? good. isn't the deepest view of us and in the word part,
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is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without cases. let's go out of the russian states. never as i've side as i'm sort of the most sense community invest in most all sense and the same assistance must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will ben in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia routing and split the ortiz full neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube. the

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