the, the time julian assigned data through which he weeks would expose the world secret. these documents belong united states. government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned, illegally shoot this unable for 500 days. now i being detained without charge, but that hasn't stopped us today. we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. today, i am joined by an intellectual superstar this lavine and philosopher level agent, a former anti communist. this event now turned self described coming together we call david horowitz, a former lift wing, radical and black pants ally, now

a fiery right wing designers. i want to know what they think about the future of europe and the united states. the conversation becomes heated unit has to be physically restrained. we shout, read until calmly about nazis and tell us damian's black pants is, and he's released about a bama rami installing. david, you describe yourself as a conservative and slowly you describe yourself as a communist. but nonetheless, both of you have had a picture of style and it's the name of the man, man, the shot. i'm in the middle of the show about an hour. yep. right. okay. i can talk to you. i get access to the international show. okay. all right, go ahead david, can you tell me what do you mean by conservative and why do you have

a picture of installing as well as a picture of style and that was on my office was his desk and i'm a conservative because the left this utopians have no idea of what human nature is and therefore when they get the power, they're faced with a big problem which is that people don't go along with their program and so they kill them up and put them in google docs. and they, the problem with the utopian idea is the idea, sorry, okay. first white starting precisely to remind me and see and maybe meet the some of the mileage and the level even agreed besides the voting mind me of the least dangerous of. but i do believe you guys should have been you know, but i don't know what to make of what's level you're saying when he says that style

and this data remind him of the dangers of totalitarian, that of the to talents, area and strain and the left or the dangers of that yeah, utopian ideas could lead to because you supports all, i thought i would say are head movements in the world that i can see your supporter of the closest thing we have to naturally isn't. which was the utopian idea in the middle east. you know, you support the palestinians. i don't see anything to distinguish the palestinians who want to kill the jews from the gnats. and then you're able to visit the west bank. it's still probably says target who is we don't either. well, what i'm saying is if i were in the database my doing sprint like continue what i, i it's, i'm not saying i must emphasize these. i find it face to face these ideas or whatnot

. instead of doing that, was that was something i was doing to police didn't yet. i great. this is stacy less but sorry. palestinians of data screwed up please. yeah, they're all me by her boss. no, no, no, no, here is, these are going to saudi arabia. i do that, by the way, with the way is what i like to know why that you're not i thought and so on. is riley policy opens up the space for come off implants that 2nd oh going to blame the jews for a month straight? oh my god you see this is what i got like oh my god the i blame the jewish, the no, no, no. i was seriously just one of the look at the situation of, we mean now it up horrible isn't the sound of the who's responsible for this. the, the, the bangs, international left in the democratic party, united states that went to war for saddam and against george bush. when he went

into iraq, we should have settled their hash. we should not, uh, you know, we should have occupied them for the day, but i mean, this is, the credit was vacant, but it should have been talking to syria and then we should have stuck a tour red. but bush came under a such a tug of from it from the demmer. there's never been such as a suspicious movement by a major american party. they all supported the war that all of them, but the leadership supported before they voted in their majority with the senate for the war. and then they turned against it and they lied. saying that bush lied. bush couldn't have lied about the intelligence because cherry and the rockefeller in fine style of all the democrats on the intelligence committees. they had better intelligence than julia in, in, in the work that we do the work that way he makes, does. we are pushing forwards the boundaries of a certain type of liberty. that is,

we say protected by the 1st amendment that is deliberate to, to, to reveal the truth about the weld to protect the historical record from interference and so on. i saw this incredible post of the us army preachers, which is a post over jefferson, a site with a big statue of jefferson saying the cost of liberty is a tunnel vigilance. that is the price of liberty. and it had dry interception systems, people with guns and the coast guard, and the people looking out over the sea with, with spike losses. they had interpreted jefferson's statement, which was that to stop a strong state, we must be a totally vigilant 80 to we must have a strong state, an aggressive state, a surveillance states in order. we, i think i, i, i think it's regrettable that the state is so big that our defense has to be

so big and it's absolutely regretable, but it's a reality. it. and, you know, i'd like to go back to your think about liberty and the quality. uh, of course, if people are on equal, if people have an equal talent, i need to intelligence. then the only way to make them equal is to take away liberally. that's the only way you can do it. there's no other way. so of course, there's an inherent conflict between liberty nation other quite a lot of idea, at least get in contact, smart to think, i am not for the freedom, everything should be made public. but i think this big news, i'm not doing these on, i'm saying when the way the great power to structure a set, the level of she bought could easy is reached then selectively. when simply how

step will take. uh, of course we are always go too fast or the state's power in the sense of sorry, we set those set of 2 things discreetly but that they don't know about it. and i agree we have to play this game. i'm not that stupid. but when, obviously this task is we use things like the least can play a very positive it over the, sorry, i don't see any the revolution the if we had a new revolution, the document. yeah. new revolutionary government. and he weeks managed to get hold of the panel discussion go back, government. yeah. and we were going to publish it. i really i'm sitting with west what what, what i, what i be want me to do to me. i cannot get at least a joke. yeah. you know what, it's difficult for me to answer distressed to know when i will be bought at the distribution of the government. i will send you my other stuff, the article actually and siberia possibly ideas or it's got to be

ordered liberty. it can be. but the thought of that in some sense, david on the front front of guantanamo by the slogan that is on a bound to defend freedom in up in iraq, there is a, a prison camp camp, liberty these may seem to be abuses of the word freedom, and i want to know from you, do you really think this tremendous states that is growing up in the united states? is that entirely necessary to combat the arrival competition to the united states has from china, from europe or, or is this now a self feeding system? it's, you know, this, people are the problem. people are the problem. they're greedy. they like they're deceitful, they manipulate up they, you know,

their ego centric. we understand that and, and people in government are just the same dangerous people with more power. so that's why we have the checks and balances, and i'm, i'm all for, you know, more scrutiny and visit that. however, we live in a context the united states and israel, under attack from the international left, which is very powerful for morley dictators and south america. that slow boy seems to get along with of, from the, a slomo fascist. and we live in an age when they have nuclear weapons of chemical and biological. i think there's going to be a catastrophe that will draw up everything that happened in the 20th century in the 21st because of this, going to start to say the, the creation of an enormous secret to you. bureaucracy during each other favor is involved in the rotating door contracts, etc. yeah. so done,

you say that that perhaps can be similar to what it could in the soviet union and then we made it wrong. so to me we eliminate the competition. but the fact that it look, you've got a leftist in the white house, the guy who was brought up and trained by communist, whose, hey, political career was in the communist let. you have competitions. uh, you know, you, you, you can have what you say of this model that the, you know, the secret, the controls of everything you have. if you prefer, think of it as many mafias and they're all in each other's throats. and that's what keeps us somewhat safe. hey, terry briefly, you know, 1st let me state something without any unpaid america. new countries like what like, like russia that david shut down the opposition. i know what else the game, so i know who you mean, but also i put in getting this the guy who,

when he met wolf, bush said you remember i looked into booked into ice and then you can ask that the guy, but his best bet would know what i'm saying is that low cost, low, stupid things that push that. yeah, i bought it. i bought it was okay. yeah. okay, let me go. so listen, i'm unfortunately, the person who really call me eunice, you know that a communist uh life to full bladder of the, to a position them democracy. you must know these communist likes because everyone who oppose this then flashes. if you did a more this democratic all fostering strong bit of a use and what time of place is that you use the word government and use in a slightly similar way. whoever is elizabeth of critical or the american consumer you've established when sees a communist dental school, your bomb, i'm sick, although these they're also not a refund. you're not referring to brock obama. yeah. because in what meaning the

same thing on the lines. yeah. then you have no idea a brock obama is background. who he actually is. if you say that, because this is not just about mile. well, i don't care about zoe guys. scholars background was a really just boy who rose boy and i should have some of them as we both know. let me go briefly on. but i do think that numberless, i think in this is the sort of you to know if there's a good thing. but don't you think that nonetheless, for me, the great failure of both but actually density was that which is not i wouldn't use the word aggressive. sometimes you may be non intelligent for the dates that c, c, that is out of he's the gate was the united states effectively come, okay, close to losing the position of the community, photos the power under both your united states,

most effectively control overlapped in america and so on and so on, and i think, and this is not, i don't say with some less these d o finally be got united states, but i think we are entering even tend to agree with you a very dangerous more the sense that well, or this video is the america really some so the game can throw it out for me over the game. i'm not saying this with any, you know what they mean of this? less andrews, my goodness of things as well. i agree with the last row, you know, not as well, but listen, let's face. and for this menu left, before we left us me off, you would have sent them or whatever. you will be. i'm well for state very more than if you make me this european love more than i think even united states that he wasn't, this may be the unique period in human history after what about food,

the welfare of states. we have so many people live in such safety. uh, uh, freedom and so on. don't make too much fun of fuel. it was a great thing as far as he left for it. it was a disastrous spirit. europe in europe is a cultural scene. par, it's insignificant. that's what happened. that's what your welfare state. just took your out of the tie. i have had personal, i have personal experience with the safe was dream, paradise of sweet. and i can tell you, it is nothing like the advertising, but it wasn't printed certainly extra go experience. explain this. something has broken down. yeah. the suite, the swedes have no morals. david, the striving for to target the striving towards a better position, even if even if the position is liberty, it is more liberty. that is a striving a direction that people wish to have that they can measure contemporary events by the direction of the hopes and ideals. have we now abandon that true religion

because religion is there waiting in the gap to just say to say, as you type in the vision, people can't live with the said. most people can't live with a sense that their lives are meaningless. that they just, you know, born and die in or forgotten. so if your religious person, then there's a divinity who's going to make started out in the after life, that redemption and the next life. if you're not religious you, what are we demonstrated in this life? that's what the left is about. it is a religious movement and it's not an accident that all this is the utopian is whether it's communism or fascism or that is already. but i am or what or liberalism it does for you. it's all the people have to want to make things better. i see what it may take, a lot of ambition to make i, i a modest change. so,

you know, i'm trying to think of, of, of one that would would fit what you want to do. what you want to do, what do you do is a radical means that can have very destructive consequences about that at a moment. when you have to give you, when you get sleep live in colorado, always do it. but when you get put, attempt to keep living caught up, cause you don't say, oh, let's try to be friendly. be the nazi guy, danbury. from all the sleep you'll have to put down a moment even more steps to be aggressive. i hope we agree. i hope we. we agree with this and both. all that you thought the stuff for me is what i'm michael heath's anesha motors funds. why she is, we all do that we are approaching what then should catastrophes and all i'm saying is we feel 40 going for sleep going for on describe. bastrop is no easy. your thought be on this thing called the automatic. so i all right, let me try to tie up these discussions. yours for the 2nd is that all in quite the end may be better and as you may, he's the time you need to call me on the cell. what i was gonna say more is the

natural war, is the natural condition of mankind is always been wars right from, from the beginning. okay. and many of them, cheese occurs only when there is a concert of powers or a single power that can intimidate, would be aggressors. now i ask you, and how would you like that power to be other than the united states? i don't know, but united states is no longer even the candidate for me and united states get well that's why i'm that's why we're facing such a catastrophe. but you're contributing it by encouraging left. this isn't the way to keep the state accountable is type of free market and states, you mean different political options, different political yeah. yeah. and then people who don't like the conditions in one state to move to another state, they can move their businesses back and move their assets like in the families united states and start equipped as, as we showed in a rack. we can't,

we can't even occupier country. we can, we can barely conduct a 4 day war. that was a 6 week one. and with, with, with, with america is, it's a country where people are so there's so much opportunity. people are so busy having fun. i don't want to go to war. americans don't want to go to war. america. america has to be lied into war. no, actually it was tony blair that did that. united states has crippled in part because uh its commander in chief. it is a leftist here. i expect totally disagreed items here. yes, it's united states instead of a set of attracts and so on the letter. i'm sorry to inform you this because of people like obama who can succeed that 4 days into obama's administration. he authorized his 1st during striking back us down 3 to your think about a really is what when he came into office and actually when he was one and you know

that his week for him was that was the military. so he picked pack us that he has killed more civilians and the left let them get away with it because the left because the left is a religious force, it has nothing to do with principle left doesn't care about the asians being uh, you know, chilled by drones, uh, you know, the, the, what, what does the, what, what does he want to do? the streets, protesting what obama is towing entire said. and i've kind of said, uh, you know, the, i, you know, i, i don't have any respectful left this anymore cuz i don't think they're principals . that would be fine. if we have both cars develops obama. you are the same as a social, you're good to go to work for bomber because you think is the communist left. this, i'm good to good thoughts, obama, because wife on the account that i the i think that she's not a secret gloss that left this he is not. she pretends to be. i left this,

he's not that's the, don't know what you're talking about slot boy. the military generally, i mean the age when obama is doing. but that's just because there are left the all the left left left piece, friends, outside of colleagues, not my friend. i don't buy this democratic, the class of, you know, low be a good. i showed them up, can i see blah, blah, blah. all i'm saying is that the problem we just gave and i still community, some is the fear with us or i'm afraid what happened was i just don't find this so no, it isn't the right. yeah. the problems are going to be here forever. you have a, you know, dental problems and probably that's the, that's okay, but it's big deal. okay. let's take the time does well that we can swear. name's we have a lot of ground already. we have a lot of ongoing, we have a lot of ground. we are to one that takes and fees a lead, but i was getting through this with maybe the,

the body of the sleep. but we have a lot of ground to cover on. i do want to cover it. okay. so david, you were in the black panthers and you stayed in the bike, kansas post? well, did you, i was never a member i, i raised money for your help that you're involved in activities and you supported them. yes. you're gonna need those bank of school have to let them know if i gave you the best. uh and you bought in the bookkeeper from the ramparts magazine, which you who, which you are editing betty van pacer. and i just wanted to draw your attention to a letter that was sent to you in my mind, you are the person responsible for betty's that sending her into ordered the pants as books at this particular time was tantamount to dressing her in a crew. klux klan white kate and sending her off to talk to you and this isn't,

this isn't so, i mean that just to slander this letter by a bigger guy, you know, who actually was involved with the panthers before i was, it never said anything to the left will defend the cause and we'll sacrifice any individual in this case. it was me if david, do you think this, this tragic? i mean you, you're involved in a, in a mother, i mean, american or that was around you. this is something of great personal importance to me in most of affected your, your outlook on the well. but i do think that you, it is open your eyes to the reality or rather it how it yourself i, i was very aware of that. so danny was killed in our body was discovered in february 1975. um hi we, i didn't do anything politically. after that for the next

9 years, i voted for reagan in 1984 and that's when i emerged as a conservative. of course i came under tremendous attack from the left, but i hadn't said anything. and i was gonna say, hadn't said anything big, i hadn't done any political activity attacking the left in all those 9 years because i was very aware of that. i, i was you know, i felt i had been betrayed by the movement. i felt guilty of what i had supported. i so i, i waited till i was a relatively cool. i think, you know, it's in your character to if you're passionate or not. but david just thought you started writing blogger fees of to the video home page that into rockefeller was

now the big american family. i mean, when you started writing all those biographies, did you interviewed members of those well connected families? yes, you moved into a new search a little bit as a result of you about uh oh no, no, no i, i really. and we made pretty much the same all my life. i, i didn't move into any new orbits. i mean, i did, i did i have, i lost every friend that i ever had as, as a leftist and that was mid life. so i had to re constituted my right friendship. i think that's a big factor that keeps people in the left is that they know that if they cross the line, they're gonna lose their all their friends honey, what yeah. just to

okay. okay. alright, sorry about that. no problem. i am for the nissan week human face, but you will be allowed to do this that, that goes to, you know, usually the put the activism or what you do at all. i have to go to universities with body guards because of the fastest left in this country. i advertise a nice and fretful of a time the only guy in the show because physically assault that by i think that's to be a community law. and by calling each of the studies, so a month, a month from now, and that's a good question, david, who, who will you be voting for in the upcoming election as well? we don't have a candidate. yeah. well, i mean, i'm honest amongst the candidates. oh i, i think broadly is the best chance to beat this guy to be to be a bomb. yeah, i'm not, i'm not happy with anybody. i agree share with you. it's very tragic and really maybe even back in the long that them, for the vitality of united states that republicans bought up the,

it looks to me like these simply wasn't able to produce a candidate which was heavy enough throwing products into one. it's very said i, but i don't, i'm not happy about this. i agree it's, it's too bad. so thank you. david horowitz, sorry. no the call me and he's, he's a socialist with the human face has been lowered. i'm afraid he said that the sofa and the low as far as like a rock, scroll the bits of, of the the. okay, thank you. 6. good. all right, bye. okay, i got the letter, but you know, you'll have to do it, need to be the spelling, the split of this much about the, the idea is they put you on the play. they used to play with you looks like if you are

something like this, you know, so i think it's time to, to arrange the space the, the, the, the,

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