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1st time julian assigned by the data through which he weeks would expose the world secret of these documents, blown united states government being attacked by the powerful united states strongly condemned, illegally shoot the sun for 500 days. now i've been detained without shots that hasn't stopped us. today, we're on a quest for revolutionary ideas that can change the world tomorrow. this week i have 2 visitors, both in big was imprisoned for use in guantanamo, as an okay to suspect off the pressure from the u. k. d was released without shot in 2005 together with the same correction, a former corporate lawyer. now campaigns for other war ontario detainees with the organization cage presented the rule of law and due process of central to the

campaign. and i want to know how this fits in which to re eval is the muslim people formed to suit the state. what would the legal system look like? when you, when you signed the confession, i was owned and prepared to fight alongside the taliban arcade against the us in dollars. and eventually you are treated to tora bora, to flee from us. forces went out for lights, collapsed knowingly provided comfort and assistance, okay. to members by housing, their families, to distribute okay to propaganda, and received members from terrace combs, knowing that certain trainees could become okay alternatives and commit acts of terrorism to get started states. so that language is that how you normally speak? um no, i don't normally think that this sounds like it comes from the statute. yeah. what brought me to the point where i would find something like this was being tied up with my eyes with left on my back to my legs with a good place of my head being punched and kicked, listening to the sounds of

a woman screaming next door i'm told is only let to believe is my wife, my children's pictures being waved in front of me and being aust, uh by these interrogators. when do you think you're going to see them again? what do you think happened to them that might, but we took you from the way to think though, right now, with all these influences, which clearly suggested to me that the only way out is to either give up and assign whatever it is that they want me to do or to, to, to resist and, and to help with what happens to my family. so an estimate to stop choice that i was presented with an in the light that of course you haven't signed it yet. so when you go down to join cage bruises and fort 4 people that you had already informed, telling everyone elsewhere to be released or treated with 2 prizes. and. and

so now we have this sort of really incredible position where we discovered a wish you a source embassy cables from 2010 for value. and this is from the embassy us embassy. it locks in the writing back to washington. you had been looking for campaigning for bucks and the to take on time. are they detained? a rece? the big is doing a work for us. he's a ticket with reason presentation makes for convincing argument is ironic that off to 4 years of imprisonment and alleged torture modem, vague is delivering the same message to the government of luxembourg. as we are, please consider accepting, get ready to pay days for the settlement. how does it make you feel that the bomber ministration now sees you as their ambassador and close the the great deal

for my street credibility as well. but suffice to say that if the woods of the us and both of the had been taken and that will be one thing, but i'm pretty certain that i'm still regard it as an enemy combatant. let's, let's talk about this extreme targeting. done. so the case prisoners role is to, is to try and try try and get prisoners released or at least enterprises through 1st for them to advocate on their behalf. for it. now we see the us, the ministration is using drawing strikes, to kill, losing radicals around the world and is cage. prison is out of a job because you know you've been present so many of them are great. they've become a political problem. you know, if you give them the political problem just to the point of death, but often once, man, no problem. we wish we were out of the job. i mean we'd, we'd love to get a job of business sort of thing. and then every day when you,

when you're dealing with cases, they are very painful to deal with us individuals and this way and family members of people were advocating for. and i used to say that the bush was the president under whom extrajudicial detention was taking place. in obama is the president, under whom extra judicial kenning has taken place. so obama did promise to change them. at least a change has come to america. and this is it. the changes from extrajudicial detention to execute shall, can i assume in 2006. really? you said in a quite a fiery language. let me say our brothers and sisters fighting in churchill rock palestine customer, afghanistan. and we know where the exempt lives. let me see his blood defeating armies of israel. we know what the solution is and where the victory was. you know, it is incumbent upon us to all of us to support that you have, have brothers and sisters in these countries. wherever they have a is the 1st,

by the way that i saw that video and it to me it looks like a, a fire i was preaching, gee, had, and why did you say this said following this coming in the context of and it is res. having a bummed kinda in the cold mass as a civilian services in 2006. now, all you have to understand is that, you know, as far as most things are concerned at the moment, they are under attack in countries, you know, all of the welto, the hundreds and thousands of people died and affected the al concept, which it had, you know, at least in its current situation is that you know, as much as we have the right to defend ourselves, there is no point of saying that these people are being killed. that is an occupation, colonial domination, racism taken place. and that these people, they shouldn't be last defend themselves or they just keep being slapped and killed

and right. and that they're not allowed to do and defend to means military. the distance of course, and all of these countries have been lost. i mean, that's on the, for the full speech and i, and, and i talked within that speech as well about how we as most things in the u. k, you know, should be supporting, you know, these people by loving my time painting by effectively trying our best to, to support that when i, i very much believe that it, you know, it's part of our obligation to do so. i mean, the point is it's, it's not about conflict being the solution and that's something that, you know, we advocate against ourselves myself, particularly i don't believe the viruses and solution that dialogue is the only solution over at the same time, i believe that everybody has the right to defend themselves and what about this defense, those types of things up and touching this attack on the school for 300, something people got. i mean, is they will also, it's a new thing for those interests in your local. how is the ryans along with that and

that, is it 5 statewood say hunters church and terrace that they were defending, touching in that matter. mm hm. i mean is that, is that type of defensive defense? that the example is awesome? no, i, i, i agree with myself, i don't think it's finally clear that it's the right way of about going about doing things. and i don't live in those circumstances. icons is stomach dangerous, potentially make a statement about anything. so i'm not unless things go there. you know, i disagreements with, you know, the way off i, they use it's tactics around the world. i don't think it's productive in terms of when it's frank. well, once the end goal is trying to achieve for the same time, the general concept. and this is what i was talking about in that speech, is that, you know, if you buy the right to defend themselves, you know, they should not be denied that right simply because, you know, america believes that it holds for tomorrow, for t in the world. and that's the point that it is an interesting point to be made just about chad because it's fixed this time. that's so, you know, use so so,

so place and 3 and when i pay $3.00, understanding what it is and we supported you had, let's just admit this and which government, both of them would you eating fighters in the seventy's? me. i to train them by the i. c. as in, in snowden, britain supported you out against a few months ago when it was supporting. i'm getting fighters who called themselves majority in libya against effie. so you've got this play with woods to wait within them. you just say, well chad is bad except for when we say it is and, and visit the sort of thing that we as a caged christmas as an, as an organization that's part that's most them like to introduce and explain to people that you are being hoodwinked by the politicians and the media when they use this to police system. so i'd like to give to treat questions. what did bush do? right? you know, he would argue that i'm,

there were no terrorist attacks or any significance on the mainland to united states, post 2001 and how did the cheese as well? if i was arguing his side, i would say he treat that by all sorts of surveillance, preventative detention, terrorizing people absolutely. terrorizing people with examples of gone time or vague detention without trial arbitrary execution, eccentric, i mean, any on on steel question? look at bush to right. i don't know if he did anything right. in terms of walter, there was a post prior to that, and it interesting, if you got some al qaeda type scholars in, inside your review of actually said that we supported you coming to power. that's interesting. that they actually said we were happy when you came to power. you seem to be a person who was of the same mind as us. and then of course he said vehicles.

yes, yes, as he said them. and this crusade is going to take a while and once he said that everything went wrong. so that's what it's what about the law and what they've been clocking through. right? so if you take a look at what he did at the time, wouldn't associates ok better understand the differences of both of them? he did everything right from that point on what he did, everything right. because he was being supported by the lesson. that was the evidence for it. what he did wrong side, i mean with the west ways. i mean, oh, i know you believe i know. and as i think that was right to i think that was right to, to, to, for the guns, to be able to liberate themselves with the support of everybody was helping them was, was absolutely right. but as far as the ordering of the, of the attacks, if that's what he did and that's do, i don't know it in, in, in my mind is not being established because he didn't have due process. and if that's what he did, it was wrong because it started a chain reaction that was not being able to recover from sense and why,

why do you think that he as as a leader, why was he successful? i don't know if it was the 1st of all, i mean i, i think that the perpetuating midst of ok, the most driven in europe and all of the, all kinds of franchises, little pots of little if you're going to say we're all kind of will be ok, but i don't think it really existed in the way that we've been told. and it is a great mix about how big it was. and it's reaches me as a person, as a freak ahead for people and people simply. so if you go into most of all the tubes of different people, me, most of the don't agree with 911, they don't complete the targeting civilians. and there's been a great if that taking place in the us. and we'll see what that, what was the view and then what was the world about him before and i was the what was the world? i don't think he was, i don't think was quickly known. i think the if anything in, in the gulf countries and those people being part of the struggle to fight ticket that you had against associates. he was known in that circle of people. definitely because of his personal sacrifice and his integrity and all the things that he done,

which you would not expect a very a billionaire to do that off to that i think his influence is being it's being seen for something greater than it really is. people were going to, it was in the united states, didn't just attack or something, and i didn't, didn't just go often and they went after nations and they killed tens of thousands of people in the process. so been not in may have come and gone. it's irrelevant because those symptoms that's been learning was addressing is still that, how would you primarily describe yourselves as muslims, as liberation, as, as people who, like really full of processes as intellectuals. one of the above you know, i think some of the, those things don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive to one another. you know, being what same means standing up to justice. it means being

a little bit radical. it also means being a little bit conservative. you know, it means all of those things the same time, you know, and i, god says in the, on that be just even if it goes against yourself. and that's a very, very important, you know, concept who we all, what our character is that, and the, even if it meant the effects and you haven't give it to give evidence against ourselves in some way that we would always do what was nice. and just in any circumstance, you know, that's, that's how we formulate all, all the characters justices in many ways more important than and then many other things is based on the conditions struggling for individuals with ration from imprisonment and being presented yourself in the struggle for a people's liberation. a group of people failed with ration. do you think this is incompatible with a submission to a god?

you weren't present unless you have to deal with other wills of other people, other governments to submit to. oh, i find it extremely. i find it extremely disconcerting and annoying, but right um, but you find it annoying to submit to the will of god. well, let, let's with we will have what human beings have to submit to something. we want to submit to some kind of all the time. and i think when what my point is about the most involved in particular known about the west to west has nothing to worry about in terms of the of, of, of us communities living here. we understand the rules and regulations, and we submit to them even if we don't like it in some cases. but we're talking about in the most and what i think that's really important to recognize in flight across from the most read all the way to indonesia. that is a massive population, so one fits of the world's population. well this and that's just from within the muslim community to load. what, sorry they want the flux, the, they want it yet,

but i'm saying that they want to assign all the religion to the a part of their life in terms of governance and in terms of the daily living routine. and i think that's a choice that we should respect a problem is we have not respect to that for the past a 100 or so years. so what, what do you think about the desire to unite most of the people's, into one hispanic caliphate? one central point, i suppose of hulu, floor and the floor being sure. yeah. do, do you see that as a possibility? i mean, i think right now the way that we'll see how the communities around the world are developing. i mean, especially, i think the army spring has, given one, spends a lot to think about. you have different phenomena, imagining, imagine it in each country in it. and it's very, very different from face to face. so what's happening in tennessee and the cost of

ownership is very, very different to what's happening in egypt. and now the most and brotherhood entity, not potty. so i think what we're saying is that the kind of statements that we've made previously and you know, a lot of most things will agree. generally speaking with the concept of most things you 19 because that you know the re establishment or how the fate in these very kind of, you know, all the adults positions that you know, keep level withheld. but what is the substance of those positions? how does that formulate in terms of the modern world and we're going to be watching, listens all over the world. what's happening is what's happening agent, what's going to happen in, in libya, or as they try and organize themselves by typing with a lot of interest. because these guy hasn't been actually, for the 1st time, really have the authority to try and in normative ways of the funding source.

you know what the funding for what the city a requires offices most things along side living in the western in the, in a should i say in the morning. well, what is your ideal system look like? is it coming more serial from amalgam between the 2? well, he's a big questions and you know, we mostly deal with the issue of people the times about childhood at all and stick to it. we thought we don't really let us know. part of our agreement is not solving the world's problems. but speaking on a personal level, i think this has been great fear the great when they talk about the system of the kind of fight, everybody gets terrified. but in essence, what would it be? it would be in union of countries where they all speak arabic, for goodness sake, if in europe, way we've got 50 different languages and people are trying to come together and have no states and one monitor union. so what we're trying to introduce the european union, we have caused me a bit of grief that cost cause it has of course it has. yes. an expedition warrants

which allow people to, to be moved in free because i'm not going to be being super states or actually the way to go, right. it's not going to be as it, but here the difference. i mean, what i'm talking about is it what, what, what links moral code the, hey rock, what, what are the mix cultural and most important language just every but, you know, i can, you can go tomorrow and speak arabic and speak article and every country right in between there's something and that's a unique fabric of the societies. and what separates us in europe is the language to primarily you've done with just and so you've already got that to any because it, historically, it used to be there before. and if you look at the countries, i mean they already speak arabic, like what was even use. what would be new with is the, is the, is the, the unity would not be based upon their own personal nationalism. and this would be the difference because that's what, what needs to be like before. the nationalism is the only thing in still dos to somebody came along. and on a map of africa,

drew lines and unity and you're out here in your 7. so they, if they are able to return to in the modern context, the course of something that allows that sort of unity, it would give them a great deal of strength. and i think that's where the worry is in terms of the west, is that we will have another power house he established about southern doorstep. but we don't want that that what, what about what type of what we do is each one, some of the talking about that is actually the practical team. now, you know, the issue if you don't allow for a day or whatever it is, i sounds perfect. so, um, as long as the normative legal system, just like any of that, we have effectively statute and case slow like any other normative ecosystem anywhere in the world. and so for us, there is a rule of law that we have to follow, you know, in many ways some of the complaints they often hair about the way that islam is. his image some into the city is implemented is the fact that it,

it totally goes against and bought the root of ro requires from, from the, should i have from the, from the normative legal system itself. so for example, you know, when you consider the, the issue of studying for adult freight, a little climate, the evidence we stand, it is for live witnesses to the act of the social relations at the time that it's taking place for me to have a day for despite, it's almost impossible to establish that and this is some kind of party that's going a little bit where it is kind of it's it's, it's very, very difficult to establish that criteria. so the fact that you have in this but the punished for that punishment dining today. yeah. that the you have the punishment even taking place means that effectively the reward is being abused at some point because it's impossible to, to establish that evident frame. uh, stand it, but i'm gonna be looking for a business starting today for i mean the whole point is, is on, doesn't have a envisaged really, okay. you would agree. i, i agree with this on a concepts of,

of, of how we have in practice out punishments. i think generally speaking with the weather that even the really important to know the i decided i think so important. so cage both pretty much the same case. present your personal, okay, exactly not showing me. so anyway, i'm really up your personal opinion is the death penalty is okay. the comment assignment perspective yes. as long as on entry and process and then and so on. and then it can be depending on if all the elements of that i think you know what happens and when that when people discuss cerio, is it some everybody discuss chris kind of punishment to the punishment totaled. so what we're talking about here is the punishment suspect that's not show you the show you is the rule as the whole, the right price lice. the whole purpose is what i want to get, you know, and none of us, none of us really sort of qualified to talk about in the way that it should be

discussed in terms of the, of the country establishing itself. and i'm formulating these rules and primarily because no country has applied them since the full of the, you know, the, because if i to the ultimate, it's so it's, it's in essence a se, or i think we'll discuss. so that's something you do your thing, develop this c d square back to the ottomans, the color of it that the absence of an hispanic state. that's most people we want to leave it. that seemed great. that's up to many they maybe of mine is let me tell you a very interesting point. when there was, when the color fight was abolished, one of the few of them kind of deals with kind of was not polished on the 1st people to advocate for it was mind this k gundy. and the reason why is because he understood that was this was something that was central to the fabric of is lubbock history. and. and so i think the cold for the establishment of a kind of fateful,

perhaps not even using the united most and look is something that most people would want. i think, to museums with go when muslims were in. can you hear me speak? we speak french. peter, arabic, and we want self determination. self determination is best meant by not telling up too much with egypt because it's the major. i think of course that's you know, and the arabs have attempted to, they've tried to do the different organizations with, of just our community. but this goes beyond that of unity. and this is a total of his nomic unity which includes tax. it includes radians, it includes pockets, tony's, and then the news, it's huge, it's massive. so why have unity? well, why would you are locked into the whole point of unity then by the i think the building . i think the reason you're wanted unity, we actually was set up by the states to make united states of europe that would be economically powerful and all right, in order to combat the service unit,

that's why i think, and i think that i think that the now the now it's a, it's a trade block, right? the reason for unity would probably be the economics of course, a defense of course, a. and you know, a hawking's back to history where you could travel from one point to the other on ended. because you're a citizens of the, of a citizen of this lot and that, that this land isn't divided based upon colonial principles. so you get the most possible. well, i don't the, i don't know about that, but i mean, i just the same ways as if you have in europe, you have the ability to travel within europe and, and very, very freely part of your own name. and you're the right to work in a life possibly very good thing. okay, so now let's come back to cage for that. there's all sorts of things to do in life . why are you doing case? as soon as i supposed to be a corporate lawyer,

i find myself changing quite radically. but i mean, seeing one ton and seeing indefinitely century without charging the u. k. st. extradition act. you know, one of these things culminate, i'm telling you will actually, the noise being abused here and for very specific purpose. and i know that kind of convince me that i used to be involved something that was working against these, these policies in case prisoners. is this an important voice for most gonna send? empowering voice is one that we hope tells most things that you can actually sign up for yourself. we can stand up for, for the, for the right thing without feeding those. if you're doing something criminal, i think for me, it's obvious. it's positive, something that i've been affected by, something that i'm constantly, even if i didn't want to do it, i'd be affected by it to the state. so it's something that i think people will say that it's something called survive is guilt that you will survive a particular trauma. but other people left in that situation are not surviving. so

you have an obligation upon yourself to fight for them. i have, i feel i have a lot just a model and religious but also an ex, a duty based upon my own personal experience ability. if i know i can do it, then i have to do it. and i think i attended the, i'm just interested uh, have you like a sort of a plan if you will, you know, god protect you. but if you'll send over that to them to, to, to the us. the,

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