it's all power or is it all control over everything? kind of like a dictator, basically in the event of grave and immediate danger to france. now this has been used only once in french history. in algeria back when it was a french colony in the wake of a push, in 1961 by french generals who opposed then france, president, shock because support for algeria in independence. he proposes the appeal to all to go 16. he was the one who started the civil war, a new college on yet? he is the cas, the dad us him installation is him. he's the wreck of public services. climates in action is him. their oppression is him speaking of civil war. emanuel mac roland is once again using the strategy of fear. the country has never been so fractured the uprising in new caledonia urban riots. the yellow best prices, uncontrolled suburbs, we don't play dice in france. so this new caledonia fiasco is raises the classic example of how not co operates. he starts nothing around

a nitroglycerin. great issue sends in french troops for some shock and awe, as though thou, resolving lanes of foreign country for everything as adviser on of all places. and in this case, just because they happen to sympathize with the people's right to self determination, then dissolves parliament in a toddler tantrum which kills this new caledonia legislation anyway. but still decides to extradite activist france in a bid to calm the situation by way, giving off old school colonial lives. he's warning about chaos if he doesn't get what he wants in this next election coming up this weekend. but it sounds like really he has a huge problem on his hands, more than anything else here to do so with our to international up next on cost talk, peter levelland, his guests discuss the cranes battlefield situation, which is rim and getting worse. by the day the,

[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle, viewers of this programs. i've certainly come across the observation that ukraine is on its last legs. indeed, ukraine's battlefield situation is grim and worst by the day. however, it needs to be asked whether nato is on its last legs. the answer is certainly no.

the cross section ukraine. i'm joined by my guess, carla nixon in washington. he's a political analyst in lebanon. we have angie wong. she is a journalist and co host of the final countdown on scrutiny international and assemble. we cross through fedex a real i'm are, he is a historian and political commentator right across our rules. and in fact, that means it can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate where we get started folks, you know, i, i want to express my great happiness. the julia sanchez finally got his freedom back and the bomb and ation of justice. the never should have happened. julia sanchez, free. that means the rest of us are free. so now on 2 business study, you know, and i was, i was thinking of doing this program last friday before the events that happened over the weekend. the attack on civilians in crimea and then terrorist attack and august on and you know, i keep coming across it. ukraine is on its way. s legs last legs. i've been hearing this now for quite a few months. now. indeed, it may be on its last legs,

but that's not what this is all about. this is about nato trying to inflict a strategic failure on russia. this is what it's about not ukraine. go ahead and assemble. yes, i think that is the main issue and that's why it's very difficult to predict when this was finally and if ukraine were on its own the what would have ended but for ukraine and defeat a long time ago. and i think we should even be more comprehensive. this isn't just about nato, this is also about us, has turned itself into. so for nato appendix, and it's more generally about the best in general around the, the, the, the shape of the united states would stay calm, shape often don't going to shake off. and unfortunately, if you look at various moves that have been made in you concerning the financing

concerning readiness to try to keep this will going for years if they can. and if you look at various moves that has been tried in the usa, of the situation is actually less stable. so the concept date is this will succeed . well, what i do see in the past is an intention to keep going, if necessary, from their perspective. for years, they all cause the issues fixed. this, for instance, that you claim you, that the european industrial base is just not sufficient for it is not the right industrial base for roy economy even if they've been using the term now for at least over a year. uh, the european armies are actually not very good at turning money into comeback battalion, so into complex capabilities in general. this is very but known, even the economists acknowledges it's a little bit cap, so money that's a problem that doesn't make them necessarily more powerful. they have recruitment problems, and of course my last point would be that what the collective rest wants to do is

state in your brain. they have to worry of issue for engine manpower, at least one. now if they don't want to escalate even worse and ukrainian meant how is limited and has been strongly diminished. and that's a, as the context in which we see already discussed and being initiated in ukraine. certainly to prepare people of lorenzo mobilization age once again. it's a $25.00 now. now we get talk about 21, and i think people to try to lloyd even further. even the collective rest, this half is when, then ukraine is going to black. right. even worse than has already happened before . this is over. yes. and it seems say is, if that is not a major concern of its western backers, remarkably, you know, and see what we can see when i, i started seeing this when they took the height of the comp, like became quite obvious in russia's favor, the terrorism would be used and we saw that over the weekend, particularly in the,

in the russian authorities and made it very explicit. the, the defense ministry is usually very, very, it's a mom they, they don't like this talk a lot they, they give a lot of numbers, but they don't give context. this time they gave context. this was an american military. um, uh, and munition missile that was guided by americans, maybe the ukrainian press the button. but this is something the united states as a part of the war. and they've made it very clear that they will react to it. i didn't use the word retaliate, but they will react to it. go ahead, empty. yeah, and this comes, this term. most recent terrorist attack comes only a few weeks after the big terrorist attack up city hall. if you remember that in russia. so you're gonna see this more, more often, because clearly the ukraine is losing its ground. remember, i was just about a week or 2 ago. that's a lensky had his suppose that piece on that right. uh that really ended nowhere and

then immediately rushed or came out and said, look, we're ready for peace and put in did his asian tour to make sure he assured his allies in asia. so all of this is push pull and the late is, you know, being a terrorist attack, it's been identified that us military weapon tree has been used in that terrorist attack. so the us has a lot to answer for, in that respect. and you know, we're saw the fog of war. no one's actually claimed responsibility for the latest russian attack in crimea. but the problem is, you know, you have an incoming uh, new secretary general of nato coming in march routes. right. and he is a ukrainian kind of sympathizer, so it almost feels and he comes in and in october of this year, it almost feels as if nato is kind of a ukrainian proofing itself in the event of

a trump administration. coming in the following january. should trump when, because trump has already said he is not for this, and he is certainly not for nato continue. well, i'm not sure that i'm not so concerned about that. m g because they did impeach him while he was not president. so carl, and what's to stop the congress from impeaching him before he becomes president? i mean it's, it's neither here nor there. it's the, it's the entered a departmental consensus, the account, sir. unfortunately, democracy doesn't, but staying with you, uh, garland. i mean, obviously what nato wants is russia to react very harshly of to the attack on crimea over the weekend. they're not going to get what they want. they're going to be disappointed. it will be a symmetrical, it may not even be in the region. but one thing i thought i could give my opinion um, i think that western drones should be driven out of the black sea altogether. that

may be what they may do. garland a. yeah, i think that what's that will take action i think by of our meeting or helping to supply in advance the military interest of some of their allies and us is adversaries. i think that's for sure. and i've felt all along, you know, that russia is winning, and they will maintain course and speed and they will continue to win. the reason they understand that the reasons that they're getting this desperation from us empire is specifically because they're waiting. and the us empire is trying to do something to throw them off their gain to get them to react in a way that's different than they are reacting now. because of what they're doing is working. i do not think that the russian leadership understands that, that the way they fight the they're fighting this war is to exhaust their adversaries to destroy the capability of the west. to utilize you to continue to utilize ukraine as a, you know, as a, as an, as a weapon against russia. and they're going to continue doing what they're doing.

understanding that if they keep doing this, that they're going to have success. the only thing that can, that can slow their success is if they react to some of these prob occasions and alter those the successful course that they're on right now when you great. well, it's how did you know it? going back to something you said earlier, i mean, this is part of a much larger plan. you know, i, if you look at russian history, i mean, it least has modern history. uh, threats of always come from the west. okay? and this is just the continuation of it, this time, it is the entire industrialized west. that wasn't always the case when we think of the 3rd reich, or napoleon. so this is a, a western design. we have to remind our viewers. when you look at western imperialism, there's only one great land mass. they never conquered. it's called russia. go ahead, teddy. you know, i, i think the using to in terms of the, the power that unfortunately is leading the best to migrate. we collect, i think they go into the e, u, u p,

instant main to your pains for long have for bath against tonight and states. but if you think about the united states is needing, but it's west wide for them, it's not only about about so although their focus is now on russia, they have 400 years of these sort in terms of you. right? yeah. right. and they have a very clear conception of a yeah, if misguided conception of geo politics that sees you raise of the location of the privilege of history the hotline by at know how it is supposed to be able to keep gemini in your raise of this. they apply to russia, they also apply to china by the way, right? and then the end of the night, it states has an opposite again, for least a 100 years of another. and it's more of a now is strategy of preventing any regional head gemini, anywhere else on the cloak, right. it's not a global hegemony. any reach a hit them on it. and russia is one of those powers that is capable of building the

region that had gemini, and this is a desperate attempt. this ukraine was on the side of the west as a desperate town to degrade russia you politically act with the private of the capacity of doing this. especially in the fact or lines of china. this is the worst possible nightmare. and i believe a few that the best is this time fading. i mean, obviously the future is unpredictable. i don't have chris the board, but from every same that we've seen over the last 2 years, a little more than 2 years. this rest of the time it hasn't worked on any plan that hasn't worked in the territory. it hasn't worked economically. it hasn't worked to mattingly. they haven't shredded the bus and economy, which they've tried to have isolated most and nationally, and the proxy for ukraine. so to speak, the competing aspects of would have had to do feature rational, really one of the better for you hasn't turned the, i'll just say either. and right now i agree, this investment and stuff,

differentiated based me. so there's a few days ago. right. and all of us are asked and it's an initiative all along the front of the line. and i do think as long as you said, i'm sorry, i can't remember who, but i do think that there is an element of zion to him. panic creeping into best and reactions. but of course, for all the thoughts live on this planet right together, that anxiety and panic on the sides of the best as an fate dangerous phenomena, it makes some even less rational. it makes some one predictable again. yes, and particularly when you see your own head gemini, the diminishing right in front of your eyes at a very rapid rate. this is something that also in gender is a lot of panic. i'm going to jump in here folks, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine state with our team,

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the the a welcome back across cycle. are all things are considered. i'm peter real about your mind you were discussing. you create the okay, it's go back to enter. you know, and one of the things that i find very frustrating in the western coverage of this conflict is all the or missions and all of us and our viewers are aware of the address they put in, gave to these diplomatic corps last week. and it's, it's very interesting if you look at it, it's,

it's long and was something he actually read and was very serious. but what was focused on most which got no coverage in the west. is it searching for, and establishing a new security order in europe? and this is what this is all about from russia's position, lot about land, you know, it's not about an expansion. is he always here isn't how or how can all of us live here together, where we have security, that is indivisible. i know that it was a popular term when i was coming up, but you almost never heard hear it now. and it's something that the west will fully ignores. they want victory, they want to crush. they want to destroy rushes as we need to have security. and when we have security we can have peace. that is an element. do you never hear in the west, angie a no, absolutely. and by putting say not a completely destroys the western narrative that rushes the bad guy. and we're the good guys and we're helping ukraine to feed the bad guys. they need to create this

narrative, mainly for the military complex, right? the industrial complex that they keep feeding congress keep speeding money to remember so much money has gone into a lot of these defense contractors and military producers of that. you know, a lot of these equipment and, and things that we're buying won't be produced until at least 2029. so, you know, it's, it's unfortunate that the western media is not giving the coverage to put, and that's why he himself gives these press conferences, reads them out loud, and puts them online wherever he can. but you know, this is a propaganda war. and at the moment he doesn't have an outlet for the world media. yeah. well that you, that's but it's called western censorship. ok. i mean, as i was going to the studio, it looks like the you is going to try to band telegram. ok. another reason the, the issue is becoming more, more like the soviet union every single day. a garland,

one of the things again that i find really worry. some is that it seems like the current to leads in the west. i forgot how we used to be afraid of new killer war. they, you know, the russians won't do it. they, you know, they, they're too timid. they'll back down. well as topic has already told us they, none of those things have happened. none of the things that the west thought would happen has happened. and so they, we all should be very worried about a new killer exchange, because russia is a, has a huge, a conventional forced the west. that's a go head garland. yes. and what's really dangerous is that the, um, the military capacity of the west has declined to a point where they don't even have, they're not even capable of defending themselves anymore. the neo liberal scam that it is, that is the western economic system has hollowed out everything, including the military industrial complex. so now the leadership of the west, if you want to call with that, these bundling hapless pools deal, they're powerful, not because their military can do anything, they understand that their, their,

their ships are now, you know, subject to easily being attacked by hypersonic weapons, etc. but the only reason they feel strong is because they have nuclear weapons. that's all they have to rely on is to swallow a suicide pill. and that's the one that doesn't that tell us that you can go up the escalation ladder pretty quick, considering what you just said, right? because when you have nothing else, when you have no other way to defend yourself, that's the only thing that you can go to in the event of a conflict because you're going to lose on day one militarily. so what do you do one day to use while it was so suicide filling, i might add this, that the ruling elite is now co, totally and completely. it's strange from the masses in the working class. you need only look at what's happening in the elections in the united states and in um, in europe, you know, in the u. k. in france, etc. the understand that the people have had with these people. yeah. but the topic

i, i agree exactly what garland says, but that's all the more reason for the quote unquote war economy giving more power to brussels, degrading the sovereignty of the you, members of a nato directives about being able to move troops through uh, e u. countries, i mean, this is part of the project to this is the creation of the united states of europe . that so many people want and most in europe don't what you know the thing about. so you can union is that from its inception really in the 1950s, it's been the very latest project, right. and estimate this project, it's done certain things effectively. it's boot the common market. it's good at the rock of c, as far as on can be good at it. but at the same time, it has always not been democratic. the european union is simply not

a democratic setup. it's been designed to give much more weight to it. and it's the come from the various member countries, but that was actually a democratic accountability that they may have still at home once they've become european union delete so that substrate goes this whole thing as the same time. what we have seen recently is that it has to be complex, that should be brazen and shameless about supporting a thing. it says to the united states to washington, right, and let's, the left on the line, of course is the key figure here, but she is by no means alone and use it for red is not much better even if it sometimes strikes a slightly different tools, right? so these are 2 ways in which the new union is an institution, the s u n. a, it's uh, quite systematically from the european. so actually live in right. it's inhabitants the citizens who live in it and you'll see one, but again, it's against that. but the part is what happens is everybody and so you know,

bomb goes in a to the and it less to the likes and of maloney and, but i'll be have to be for maloney fire. right. which stands for you get somebody from the smallest fall right, getting into power, and they have then absorbed. yep. by going along with all these prenatal pro american policies, the next big case business might be the question that they don't know how to end could be funds right at the end of this month. they have very shortly, they have very important elections. there is bronze goes to the us, am i right. so this all right. sounds everybody's across since visiting with along side. right. maybe not maybe well, you know, you know, when you mention maloney or you know, yeah, they all worried that she was going to be the next. most selenium chanted up being the next tony blair. so i have not really i'm not with the. yeah, i don't put a lot of stock into that, but i see your point now. i mean, been, you know, angie, this is one of the most interesting aspects of this. and it's something that, uh, i've had my many and my guess to discuss is that, you know,

you have these european, a leads that are so subservient to the united states, what it is not in their security interest. i've always said, you know what people say future historians will explain, but i think it will be future psychologist. it'll have to explain how this happened . go head injury. yeah. i mean, certainly it's the legacy kissed the ring of the us president. i don't know if that's going to happen anymore. i mean, we've seen joe biden perform with european leaders the last few weeks and he's not performing very well. so i, you know, but it is legacy, it's tradition and i understand the respective countries. but i think my colleagues on this program is absolutely correct. i mean, you see all of europe and other countries around the world going far. right. and it's just dependent pendulum swinging from left to right. now are we going to find a center or we're going to find some sort of common sense? i'm not sure, you know, and a, i've always had a problem with the far right. but i, i get your point here. it seems to me more and more people just want to run away

from behind the liberals. ok, i mean if that's far right, i can go for that. ok. but there are many people on the left traditional left that i see, i don't, i, on so many issues. it's these people in power and their ideology. i mean, i'm sure this is, this is a, a convergence that's going on here. and it's actually a garland, we have to go back to what working people need. i mean, we that's been absent for almost 50 years in the west. go ahead. yeah, i think we have one other think this happening is in an ideological realign. i mean, yeah, we're in the traditional descriptions of far right and far left and center are changing . we have what would i call in ultra liberalism before people would say ultra nationalism is fascism. i argue this, let this, that this level of ultra liberalism that we have has really turned into fashion. now, i think what we're looking at now, people like me on what you may consider the far left and other people are

considered conservative. who believes number one, 1st and foremost in international stability, which means independence, which means sovereignty, which means understanding that the us is now, it's not a us lid and they told it to us dominated nato. and it is brutally and co worth of we dominated, which we see by their actions in blowing up north strings. so i think we're seeing an oregon and we're seeing a deep so say, well, we can agree that our country should be sovereign and at least yeah, the problem is darling, that they'll cover color revolution. both of them if necessary. okay, well yeah, or worse, the worse in the case, i've got a, i want to ask you center and assemble this turkey. stay in nato after everything is said and done. and i'm obviously thinking not only of ukraine, but i'm thinking of what's going on in palestine in the potential for war in lebanon. a no, i'm not actually next, but i'm tech is politics. unfortunately,

i don't even speak text box. but as you have uh, um i see, you know, signs the turkey is about to read. it can be changed. it's foreign policy. um, but at the same time, as you know, even in size natal turkey has now for years very much insisted on its own interest and on taking positions off its own. i mean, this goes back to the s 400 issue of questions. for instance, it goes back, as you rightly pointed out, that now it has to do with a busy as i believe, genocide, that is what it is committing against the palestinians. and that turkey has at least verbally and much more clearly contradicting for many states and other states and metal. i don't know about any plans to actually change its former appearance, right? this is a different issue, but i do think that turkey is insist on a sovereignty in a way that for instance,

a country like canada does not or germany for that case. why it's very interesting in jail. i'll let you enter the program here. i mean, we have the election coming up here. how much is ukraine going to play into the us presidential election or? well, you, well, joe biden has a problem with ukraine and also whether or not to support which side of gaza and, you know, benjamin netanyahu said to come to a joint session in congress next month. and joe biden, and democrats have a big, big problems here. i can't imagine a worst soft power event that you could have having benjamin netanyahu go, as the entire global south is outraged with the way not only be is rarely and behaving, but more, more, more, more importantly, how the u. s. is behaving and all of this now i, that's all the time we have a one, i think my guess in washington 11 on and, and is assembled. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at

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