square, he outlined the election interference by the democratic party in the usa, that alone corruption of google. and the lies told to get the usa into for of a was today is also 10 years since a group calling itself isis link to our guide to declare the state in syria and iraq. and it was juliet sons who exposed biden's. now national security advisor jake sullivan telling hillary clinton that al qaeda was on the side of the usa appointed by president trump to the us national security council. now led by solomon is today's guest. brian cabinet was also a top binding official with homeland security. and he's now senior vice president has american global strategies and a visiting fellow at the heritage foundation. ryan, thank so much for coming on the show in such a more dangerous world. would you say that when you were in the national security council on the trump and for a short time on the button as well. thank you so much for having me onto a ashen. and i would have to agree that the world we live in today is fundamentally different from a security posture that it was 3 and

a half years ago. the world we live in today is of this, there's stability is a thing of the past. we have conflicts ranging into regions, the world and china is, is really ramping up efforts to destabilize the, the southeast asian pacific region. well, we'll have to ask you, jim ping on to contradict you on that one. you know, in this region, making a, making a risk spite from the what's happening in gaza in jerusalem. i mean, even the local paper here in dubai. hassan just to be freed man, after 14 years, the japanese financial ties pictures of julian assigned. we've interviewed him on this program. i mean, i do think it's interesting that when trump was asked drum by the subject of little affair of his own. uh, good play. he said, yeah, he's considering apart. and if he was elected president, and then suddenly we have a biden reaching the justice department of biden, reaching a deal. what,

what do you make of his, on his release as well? that is certainly the case that was long overdue for some closure. as you mentioned 14 years and that dragged on to the legal system from where i'm sitting, i don't want to speculate into how different political parties are gonna pine on, on what to do next. the, in the heart of the matter though, is how do we protect the us operations? and in the end of the day, the united states has to conduct the various operations all around the globe to protect its own national security. and a part of that requires some information being compartment isn't classified and kept private. yeah. so i was fine. i don't, i mean, i know you, i mean i interviewed him and he, clearly julian assigned, expose how the us democratic party with hillary clinton there. i am in the election with trump that time was trying to manipulate the election was trying to destroy, but nissan does. there are resignations at the dnc after the week. unique's cables,

you are at homeland security. what, what the election interference risks were, you know, just saying as regards what hillary clinton was up to, what they were officials in the d n. c. and of course, since then we've seen your former boss, donald trump, drag 2 chords. the whole world is looking on and wondering what sort of, what's, what a demo proceed. even avenue, a country it's a fair point and during my 3 years at the national security council, when i, when election security, the focus for the national security council, which is governed by the 1947 national security act, is for an interference. and for an influence in the operations from overseas. so the work is heavily focused on cyber misinformation from overseas. and there's a, there's a group within the department of justice that handles the domestic civil disruptions invest information into campaigns. certainly it's, it's interesting the information that was shared and put light through angelina

sons' efforts and not to discredit the exposing those nefarious behaviors. the, the crux of the issue on the espionage charged was getting really after the credit put under us military troops. and, and us national security interest. but again, we are supposed to be a shining city on that hill for the rest of the world when it comes to our democracy in the last several years. uh that that reputation has been tarnished by some of the just devices behavior and some of the antics that are being pulled into play in the political sphere here in the united states. yeah, i mean, dollars on payments. the side we level weekly leaks cuz it appears that he hadn't got that information of how clinton they've been trying to manipulate things in, in that election. but let's move on that to the foreign threats. today is this end of us. we have this group by cis dash and jake sullivan, who i understand you did have contact with when you were at the national security

council for a short while. thanks to julie is and we have the email sent by jake sullivan, then uh to the uh, and then secretary of state hillary clinton saying outside or is on our side in syria. that's where we have. thanks to wiki leaks. do you uh, did you know about that on the national security council, the jake sullivan, tell you about how the united states will decide about kaiser and syria now and in my work is strictly focused on homeland security, critical infrastructure security, cyber my interactions with jake solving were, are supporting that role, the national security council, looking at 4 relationships, foreign affairs, fail to senior directors that were in those geographic that oversaw those geographic regions. but what possibly could have been the reason?

and trump is alluded to it and campaign speeches that the military industrial complex are the of the democrats, a democratic regimes under obama could have been on the side of l. kaiden. it's hard for me to speculate. i don't have all the information in front of me and you know, there's going to be a lot of you see how these personal correspondence back and forth between sectors of state. and that's in the teams that they rely on to build their, their, their information space to make decisions. but it's really hard for me to speculate not having that information in front of me and not being a part of those conversations at the time. but you think when trump gets in perhaps gets in, in november, the new national security council will be looking at all the documents and the documentation are bit closer than the trumps 1st time as well, i don't have to tell you i, the one the most important things is donald trump,

foreign policy has been pretty straightforward and it's been actually very beneficial for the entire globe. donald trump has it is peace through strength. something that re ronald reagan originally coined, but there was something that he truly embraced in his own style and put his own accent on that type of policy. and during those, those 4 years, the united states didn't enter in a new wars. we didn't take people based on information through 2nd hand sources or through the miss guidance of, of politicians. uh, president trump assessed every relationship as on the merits that stood on and that was not just for our allies and partners, but he also revisited how we looked at various various adversaries. is we actually quite refreshing except for the killing of so they money, arguably, but yeah, what do you just that said there echoed what the general key kellogg and fred light sites with colleagues of joys on the national security council at that time said, quoting patriot and the emperor adrian. well,

trump is being very clear that the frame uh conflict wouldn't have happened on his watch and other wiki leaks document. i've got to hear from now that he's now had a busy guy, but he was, of course, and bass of that to moscow. bill burns saying, warning of the way a u. s. policy could kick off a conflict in ukraine and the russia would have to move in because of nato expansion isn't. what went wrong? why did the biden blinking sullivan? what, why is that administration being so wrong in as opposed to what you would just think about not starting new conflicts of creating new conflicts? obviously, i think the track record speaks for itself. so they've got a couple of years where read opportunity they've had to demonstrate strength in foreign policy stage. even st. bed demonstrated confusion, weakness, or even

a desire to pacify and succumb to the pressures of more tactics. if you look at the afghanistan withdrawal and how chaotic that was in what that did with leaving tens of millions of dollars, military equipment behind for an adversary to take over. if you're of a lot of your opinion sitting there looking at that and go when this is not a government that is going to be able to stop me from rolling into your training, doing what i need to do to restore my my regime and restore my reputation, so again, if you look at all the, the accuracy it is that you don't see only tips, so you don't see it as the by the ministration provoking and we know the made out include 2014 use the, the withdrawal from afghanistan connected to an imperialist russia, so that doesn't really open the way to the tone tag people. no, i, i wouldn't use your site and as characterizing power, i would probably assess what i'm trying to get at. one of the things that the former investor and former national secured advisor, robert o'brien would start every monday senior directors meeting with was to remind

us that weakness is provocative. and i would articulate that the weakness demonstrated by the, by the administration on a foreign stage has been provocative, provocative. so glad we are approved and provide provocative to the rain iranian regime. and now you're seeing the how seizure being in china is also using this weakness to flex his muscles and see how far he can push, whether it's the philippines, taiwan, and now with a, an air defense invasion art. but they've been is where they've been current in the incursion into the air defense of identification. so within south korea, just this past week. yeah, everyone laughed at donald trump when he a, very soon after became going president. so the dangers of north korea in a way that the previous president just hadn't seemed to realize now under biting you have a situation where and i'm going to say vile from weak. those he poured billions of

dollars of us weapons into so lensky is hands. but now of course, russia has is old with a complete alliance with north korea. how, how do you think a new government, a new administration in washington should deal with that alliance a well, and a new government coming in to washington dc is going to have to deal with a power vacuum that was not there 4 years ago. and what do i mean by a power vacuum? the absence of having a unified front uh, that's pulling to get other for the collective. good, uh, and creating stability through streaming. instead, you have an, a new access forming where you have russia in north korea, china and, and i ron or are starting to total less around these relationships that, that certainly are starting to mirror historical trends that were quite worried, some in the past century. and so i think you're going to have to come into the next

administration with eyes wide open challenges that are in front of you. and you're going to have to take some immediate steps to kind of reassert the us strength in a way that does not tip the scales to a conflict. it can't be a reckless flexing of strength. it has to be very carefully crafted and done in a way that signals the message that we're not looking for conflict, but we are looking to stabilize a lot of the, the unrest that's occurring around the globe. brian gallagher, i'll stop you back. well, from the fall of a specialist is 10 to president trump. after this break, the, the claims of the king of the belgians liberal. the 2nd to the congo were finally authorized by the leading european countries in 18. 85 in the very heart of the

african continent states under the rule of the belgian monarch, was declared. since the beginning, the congo free state was total, may him for the local population and functioned as a universal concentration can. the majority of the population, including women and children, were forced to work on the rubber plantations. those who failed to fulfill their quota were beaten and mutilated to keep the congo these people under control. the king set up the so called forest bleak which were punitive detachments that cast terror on the captured country and its inhabitants, fearing that their subordinates would simply waste bullets hunting for wild animals . the officers demanded that the soldiers gave an answer for every bullet use, and as proof presented a job hand of an african, it was not uncommon when drying to justify the use of the munitions. the colonists amputated the hands of not only those who were dead,

but also of those who were kept alive via atrocious exploitation of the congo, turned into a real genocide. you know, late 20 years, the policy of the belgians lead to the death of nearly 10000000 people alongside the holocaust. the genocide of the congo population is considered to be one of the grimmest pages in the history of mankind. the broker back to building on the right now i'm still here with people. i'm a special assistant, a president, trump and guard visiting fellow the cyber security intelligence in homeland security at the heritage foundation brian cabin to bryan and about one you are talking about the importance of not one thing. conflict because that's the kind of thing as the blinking says when he's on these with will stuff to is everywhere is that just tool thing because he certainly seems to be flying around the world a lot. the saying he's for peace, just the way trump says use for bes,

but then conflict emerges wherever he goes as well. i don't, i don't disagree that his in goal is piece. i would argue that the ideology and the actions are taken to achieve that. that piece are not worth it. and we've seen that for 3 and a half years that their approach to foreign affairs has been struggling. and i have opened the door to conflict and, and frankly, you're looking at the, you know, relationships on freight and, and one of the things that i recall was that the, when joe biden won the election in 2020, the assessment being made by many pop policy makers from that administration, or it will be great to have the adults back in the room. well, if these are the adults back in the room, it's the last 3 and a half years have been really troublesome. again, i don't disagree that he was striving for a piece there. the tools are using the approach they're making are not letting themselves to that piece, of course, blinking his being clearer than any other sector. se doggedly,

they had to say the proxy war in ukraine is good for the u. s. military industrial complex. good for factories. good for jobs in the united states. you know, we normally here foreign policy being used as an economic stimulus back at home, but conveyed in that kind of way to the american people. did that surprise you and does it work? you have to say we're going to continue the war, continue having no negotiations and going when he does or landscape because it's good for the defense sector. that's a terrible approach. and not the way you want to bring back a economic stability. if you look at historically, over time, some of the best growth is kind of entries had, has come during peacetime. unfortunately, the pandemic did set the stage for a lot of challenges, not just here in united states, but globally. and when, when you're looking at what your secretary state should be saying, you shouldn't see the secretary state waiting global conflict to a success on the,

the domestic defense industrial base. that's uh, it seems a bit misguided miss out a bit out of place when in fact, what you should be looking for is healthy investment during peacetime, and ensuring that you have the tools that for provide strength. we'll keep that piece in it. that doesn't require you to rapidly ramp up the defense industrial base or spend down a defense industrial base. we have the other thing it's interesting is they're saying that at a time when, you know, if you're comparing defense, industrial spending or defense spending as a whole against the g d, p would be, are almost said less than 3 percent. and that is the lowest historically we've been since pre reagan. but then what goes through your head when you hear that? i think jake sullivan said some of the things, but somehow this is a great way of helping the economy. i'm not sure how many ukrainians, any of the hundreds of thousands of ukrainians who have been killed. i think that

your problem additions in the united states are talking about it is it's a great way of helping the economy. a great way of helping the economy would be to create more jobs and to find ways to put americans to work here in america. and i think there's needs different globally. there's a need to diversify supply chains. i think you're seeing country starting to do that. this new liberalism, or this new globalism idea that we took hold in the early 19 nineties to today, or i guess, arguably through 202017 is as shown weaknesses where we centralize too many things . we've put too many items that cannot fail into one region of the world or one country. and then you're either you serving a power through milan, influence, or you're running the risk that natural hazards are geopolitical contests, can disrupt the flow of the supply chain for the entire globe. so, you know, one of the things, whether as united states or other countries should all be looking at how they can diversify and have a matrix supply chain. assuming conductors are

a great example of this i, i think it's irresponsible to have one company be responsible for 90 percent of the advance semiconductors. i think for a healthy market, you would need to have several players in that space. now keep costs down and innovation high as there's competition. and then you'd step back and look at how we, how we conduct martin warfare. what you're seeing today is what's happening in ukraine with the use of drones. we're using very low cost weapons platforms with very high advocacy and, and capabilities. yeah. but you know, how much money the businesses give to your politicians as regards big capital expenditure items. what do you think some of these companies are going to think that alone, the semi conductor, the silicon valley companies, are going to think of, uh, the kinds of policies being flagged up uh,

that might happen in the trump administration and how they would impact them. i mean, obviously they don't police don't like stopping being much wealth of x now . well, i will tell you this is actually what i'm hearing. as i speak with different individual, almost as a reassurance that they're not going to get something. this is, i'm going to put this in the context of 2015, 2016. there's a tremendous amount of angst. and that is, i fear about what type of policies a trump administration would bring into play in what you saw after 4 years the discredit the, the year on. cobit, if you look at the 2017 through 2019, was 3 years of economic growth, job growth, that record pace. you're looking at some of the strongest earnings in the commercial sector. i think you have now are a lot of companies that want to see that brought back. of course it means we want to have matrix supply chains, of course means what have diversified markets, that's not a negative net negative thing. and in fact, in the tech companies,

you look at what's happening right now. i would imagine they're going to argue that the f t c under the binding ministration has been targeting them in ways that are even expanding beyond the scope of our borders. where the united states federal trade commission is going into europe and helping europe fight and anti trust cases against us tech companies. i mean, that's unheard of. how does that make any sense in terms of natural economic security, as you say, that's a whole program on its own. you were cutting out a little i think really the question. i think silicon valley is always the hitting this conversation cuz you're cutting out to touch there. what about then? the fact that biden says the us military can target and russia directly that the weapons that he's sending to zelinski. what do you think? i mean, so i might say, and that's the increasing worries about a much bigger conflict before november. what do you see behind that strategy in

terms of your national security as sensible for biking to continuously change the red lines that allow the weapons to? well, according to the russians, we attack themselves that hit to the beaches of crimea killing children. what would targeted by us soldiers so i don't have a, any insight into who is targeting, i would have to tell you that the united states has been providing weapons to ukraine, ukraine's picking the targets, ukraine's choosing to conduct military operations as choose what they said they need us soldiers themselves to do the actual targeting in fits you, the trainers in the, in the fax to use weapons systems. there's obviously training and there is a need for us soldiers to train them out of how to use the weapons. but in terms of pulling the trigger plane, the weapon, i mean the weapon i, i can't speak intelligently because i'm not on the ground as to what's happening there. but i would tell you would be a deviation from us policy. uh it's in fact that was happening and then you wake up

. so then you wake up there, the heritage foundation and you open the newspaper and you see that there are russian warships 90 miles south of florida. well, i would definitely want you to have that given you a long career of homeland security and the national security on cyber threats on so many different threats to the homeland, to you when you step back and look at what's happening. and this is, we're in a little bit of a, an interesting dance between russia in the united states on flexing muscles and who's going to back down. first off, i recently had an article published on a, you know, the cuban crisis. 2 point now. and what we're looking at here is russia's willingness to bring a limited nuclear warfare to the united states doorstep. this has not been done since 1961, 62. and if i look at the united states, are we prepare for that type of engagement? i don't think that we have the civil preparedness or the mindset today that we had

in the sixty's in terms of how to confront that. i think that's an area of growth for the department of homeland security to step up and kind of revisit what would it means to have civil preparedness? not just all the climate initiatives that are currently being pushed in this current administration. when you step back and look at as the, the willingness of russian to put a nuclear submarine with nuclear capabilities, 60 miles off the shore of the united states and off the coast of florida. you look at a open border that has let $10000000.00 plus on a on accounted for on documented the legal immigrants end of the country. and this is on the backdrop of isis researching into russia and we had in march, and the attack that killed a 143. the concert hall. this past week, we had 20 killed in what appears the tax on churches and synagogues in, in south east, the south western russia. where you look at these things and couple that with how wide open are border is. you have to think to yourself,

who is allowing this to happen in right now? that's present biden's policies in the southwest border have left the door wide open. is for affairs. policy has allowed russia to come right up to our coast with a nuclear submarine. and it again, it goes back to the sweetness has provocation, is provocative rather, and that's what you're saying. and so you had the f, b, i a rest 8 individuals across the country that were applauding supposedly plodding for an attack. they had not only come into the country illegally at the southwest border, but were at some point in time, contact was made by d h s, and they allow these individuals to continue into the country. this is a broken, it's not a broken law it's. it's a lack of enforcement on the books, and that's something that doesn't take an act of congress that takes the executive branch to actually execute the, the laws that are on the books for the fall for were. and it was, we had a full, the cheapest job with the state department under obama,

on the show was saying the victorian newland was fired for being something to do with the attack on the console in, in moscow. but you written about l n. c, let's just finally talking with you just mentioned just what exactly you mentioned limited new click over. what exactly is it and you just written about it. i notice do you think you're maybe someone who will be account deposit of that? who knows jake sullivan? do you think he understands what, what l. n c is? i think there's a strong understanding of what limited nuclear conflict is. when you look at the weapons, the nuclear arsenal for russia has not maintained itself as a strategic deterrent. they have a strategic to turn, it is not what it was several decades ago. instead, what they've done is refunds, their weapons in some capacity and some percentage to be low yield are also a little low yield nuclear weapons. and what does that mean? well, instead of having these nuclear missiles that eliminate entire cities off the face

of the map, they have nuclear weapons that can take off city blocks and take off targeted infrastructure. so if you're trying to disrupt the united states and you want to take out the energy grant, you can, you can use a limited nuclear conflict to target a specific, a power generating facility. you can use that to target specific communications hubs that you needs. if you want to take down communications networks and these are the threats we're facing, is today. and what happens is we, we built up defenses in the united states to handle a strategic intercontinental ballistic missiles. but what we don't have is the ability to, to detect, manage, and, and mitigate these low offer low you'll, you'll bombs that are coming in. that could be deployed by an individual who are crossing the border illegally, eat, we need to call them dirty. bombs have a few years ago, but, but the accurate phrase is l n. c, or low limited nuclear conflict. so, russia has an enormous stockpile tactical nuclear weapons. and those are anything

from rocket propelled to small missiles capable of being fired from 1st proximity, non gavin, to thank you. thank you. same, it's been a pleasure on the show today a lot. so for the show, i'll continue condolences to those very evaluate you as you on genocide in this rate, you won't be back on monday with the present rethinking foreign policy informing us director of ease railey and g. o. but selling michel politic until them keep it does viable social media. if it's not sensitive, we will. country is that to our child going underground tv. hon. they'll come to us new and old episodes of going underground to monday. the

only 41 percent of us adults have enough savings to cover a $1000.00 emergency. if we have record numbers of americans who are on the verge of having their cars free possess more than a 137000000 americans are facing financial hardship because of medical. then in america, we do have a welfare system in place to help people who are struggling financially, but it's a conditional system. you have to prove to the government that you truly need help . the simplest way, like explain the basic income, is that it's like social security for the rest of us, a basic income would be a monthly payments that would go to everyone. just a $1000.00 a month. no strings attached. use i have, i would like them maybe. i don't know. i just won't go crazy. the reason that i am a fan of guaranteed income because it is this idea that everybody is deserve. and then just by virtue of being here in

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