to rest their acted representatives have tweeted, have written about him. um yeah, it's really quite extraordinary. and it appears that he's been given a green light to keep on coming now. and i'm sure he will. what to you was the among the reactions to his release, which was the most distasteful one. the ones were, i mean, i can't make my mind between the ones who are saying she's not a real journalist. and the ones who are buying allow the fact that he endangered his sources that she has blood are in his hands. yeah, well, i mean, it's a difficult tradeoff. i think that we know for a fact based on us legal submissions in the trial of chelsea. mounting and also julian's own trial that nobody was at the homes by which leaks some disclosures. so i mean to see people trusting out this perverse libel is pretty repulsive, but it's also to be expected. i think that the uh it has means of

maintaining this main stream. stigma around julian without of your, even while he's a and legacy like say to speak as it think of what we've seen. a lot of the, this me is that have been directed as a science over the past kind of decades in a huff i spun out, but the, the majority of people are listening. you know, nobody takes the mainstream media service anymore. nobody believes that the lien is a russian agent or a or right. they're still a threat to national security. they see him as a valid entry, tyler who was persecuted and tortured. so the crime is publishing secrets the us government and one in the public domain. you'll come from the cradle of democracy indeed. and then i'll be here in the balkans we have always a as we have been for decades asking for those standards of journalism and that kind of freedom of the press. so could you start by telling me how did you get in

trouble with your own government, practicing journalism or yeah, sure. well, um, when i see back to the london last which was in may 2023. and there was a team of on account of terra police charity waiting for me on the tarmac. and i've been expecting to potentially be this stopped to the border and ever since i made these sites lever, reporting on pull masons leaked emails. um this pull, my son is a, a precious journalist who has been distinguished himself as a noisy, 18 propagandist, the nato, and the proxy war and ukraine since february 2022. and a, i'm was targeting a number of people that i need, including journalists and academics, and activists who were opposed to the proxy will. and these lead email showed that he was toward the nation, his activities and coordination. so he was coordinating his activities with a,

a british intelligence officer linked to my, my 6th, um, uh so i mean, the public's interest in reporting on the seemed like pretty clear. i've then subsequently received an email from a previous detective inviting me cool daily to an interview in london. what did they do? they say that i know they just said they fingerprinted, you take, took your dna, and that also says dory or electronic equipment, right? yeah, and so effectively august thoughts under the legislation, which is called the 2019 counterterrorism and border act, which effectively creates suspicion was crying. and so the wording is orwellian and it disturbing the vague. so it states that you can be suspected of working in the instruct tress of a hostile foreign power without knowing you all and without the phone and how in is interest, your operating knowing you are ease. it's quite some conspiracy. when conspiracy is don't know that that conspiring and so uh the oh yeah,

i was subject to dna swab. so i was told by counts terry officer with a sick northern irish jackson which gives you some indication of, of his professional background. and what he was getting up to him during the troubles quite some quite the, the if my dna wasn't found on a, on, on an i r e d in afghanistan, it would be deleted within 6 months, which, you know, wasn't particularly reassuring. and i was forced to hand over the pos passwords and pin cards to my sim cards to my digital devices. and if i refused, i would have interested to cooperate. yes. so i decided to cooperate because i felt, well, i have nothing to hide just by how to ones that i was almost an extensive questions about my personal and professional background, my personal life. why i right. say in think the things the talking to and, and then was that was more general that would very,

very specific questions about the greys. and it was, it was clear that this was that, that, that the, the tool thrust of their interest integrate, joan is an independent investigative site in united states. right. that should work for you. right for. yeah. yeah. well, i mean i, i run the, the case of mission of whatever the task will do in a way of price on a shoe string because we are independent and project cool. the interested in the great zone, the need. anything related to belgrade? yeah. and they, they didn't have any the, i mean they wanted to know why list and said, yeah, what did you say? all right, well, i said um, cuz uh, because, uh it, well i, i stated that i loved the people. i loved the culture and i loved the history and the foods pretty good too. and they take that for a reason. yeah. they, they accepted that, although i think that they, it was very, very clear that they found everything about me intensely suspicious. so they all asked me specifically what, how and why i got into writing about national security issues. but also why i wrote

about the british government. i mean, it seemed quite a strange concept to them that you would criticize your own government, which i think speaks volumes about that this fact it's on the well, but yeah, the, the, the, they were the so interest was the grazing and why i writes the particular things that i do for them they, they prefer the initially stated that they were interested in every wet this, i rightful. but then i, they didn't ask one question about the crate where i'm a regular countries getting an, an independent use results focused on west asia. they didn't asked about minute press news if i've even referred to it once. age has been impressive site and then there were a large number of questions about my reporting on a, a, a, a cool filing which i did. 2 of the 911 hijackers at least 2 of them were working for the c. okay. they were very interested in not one of them let slip that he a good at one of the office. i might add the i was not allowed to learn the names.

they were, they always give them that co sign. so it was like b one in a 2. and at one stage they would, the female offices seem to get what her and co sign was, which was quite phosphor. um but, but yeah, and there were lots of questions about russia and my whether i passed sending you an eruption intelligence officials and had regular contact with them to which the on so was of course no. and the also as a completely new to chris question about whether the greys and had a formal agreement with the speed to publish hacked information, which i kind of that spluttering the side. no, because it was just such a bizarre, all the line of inquiry and then i was almost why i responded the way decided, why was i so it was us and, and then finally down the sun coach and was in was you know how they say it has a chilling effect. yeah. people who practice are like that, that it. yeah,

well actually, and is, i mean on or on, on that subject versus government has now paused, is even more horrifying legislation for the national security act, which creates all sorts of new criminal offenses. and like the legislation into which i was detained and interrogated and has very vague a concourse perplexing language. where it states that, well, we can, some can be convicted of working for a far an intelligent service without prove without diversity state needing to prove what for an intelligent service that working for, or that someone can be convicted for receiving a quote and quite benefits from a intelligent service without that benefit being defined, my overall tape is the, this is effectively creating a frame. what web i, literally, anyone can be prosecuted for any reason. it's just a matter of who they choose to prosecute. and i'm imagine, i imagine that there are mainstream john,

this will not be affected by this formation when he comes home, loans option for you. right? so tell me what kinds of things are the government for example, i've noticed and i'm, and i'm not knowledgeable. and the role of intelligence services. so i've noticed that you have it made it a habit of saying and by the way, alicia kerns, i think she's an am i 6 agent. mm hm. and by the way, our former ambassador in scope, yet when you look at what she has done, there are a lot of things that make me believe that she has been a lifetime. and my 6th member there are these the kinds of things that upset the yes, absolutely. and i think the president has, and this is level 9 and i outside the country has the probably the most pervasive. and i'm under kind of in the system of state secrecy and perhaps the, well, the,

the, i mean stephanie in the west and well, and there are this for, for, for, for very long time the government has had a very effects, very effective, direct and indirect means. of censoring and dictating what doesn't, doesn't get reported on. so there is a very little 9 ministry of defense body known as the d. s. m a committee. this is the defense and security media advisory committee is quint essentially british, which is to say, gentlemanly and dishonest. so it's run out of the ministry of defense, uninstalled by military and intelligence veterans, but it claims to be independent of government and what it convenes. regular meetings between major editors of new ets is imagining these papers met, members of pressure associations, and arranges tours for them around the offices of am i 6 and g, c h q. it's great to kind of tell me um,

crony type relationship between main strings on this and the security and intelligence services. but it also does as well, is it routine? the issues, what's known as the notice is which effectively means do not publish notices. so if they feel a story is about to break, which contains information they don't, once in the public domain, they write to john, listen editors and say, would you be, please be, that's a good sports. and not mentioned this person's name or this bits of information. are they good support and invariably uh it doesn't get reported on. it says bowling treat question quite it's but it's behind that people know that that will be consequences if they don't count as heavily censored media. this is not the image we have a united kingdom, even the serbs who are not too fond of the way the u. k has handled what's what's your professional and personal background? i mean, how did you turn out the way you did?

because most of your colleagues, you do not have to go through. so this kind of treats. no, well. busy i mean, i think i'm, if you have any understanding of how the british private school system and the lee university system, what is a very effective means of turning out um, uh and questioning, solve all the fascist bullies effectively. who then yes, they are taught to craze. power to face power to love power, and then these people in very the end up in positions of how up and that perspective that for then shape the world around them. the, in the pretty much the entire city of the british media is comprised of people who went to lead british private schools to get up the intelligence services. likewise, the minute treat. likewise, governments, likewise, it's

a very specific club which the average person is complete. the shots, household and so no, yes, knowing how the system operates and knowing how actually talks it can crisis is. it does give you a desire and drive and the kind of practical framework to challenge it, which they really don't like. so how does bell grades become you are safe haven. um, well, i've been living in london for 30 years, which is longer than anyone she lives in that city. i'm a very rare example of someone who was actually born that i missed the, as of it's for a transients and made up with people from the home counties these days. but in fact, i began traveling to east and you're regularly and large. and because it was cheap and which london says to me isn't, and i, uh, are you very much kind of identified with the people, you know, pots of gold,

hard as nails and ios and the like. when i, i went to, when i came to sub. yeah, it was a real kind of through the looking glass of my experience, me because i'm old enough to remember the criminal destruction of you can solve yet . and all of the relentless media tubs, something for nato, to kill sides. and the, and the relentless demonize ation of savvy, or in his people as a nation of genocidal a ball barrick savages. and i was actually confronted with the most the kindest, most courteous and welcoming people i've ever met. and, and, and i realized that the numerous number of things that i believed about the well, well, completely untrue. and it was, it was quite liberating, actually. and i might had this, this propaganda runs very deep. i have friends in the u. k. who are scheduled to

visit me here. uh, i had 2 friends of friends of mine visited me recently when they told people they were visiting. so it'd be of them was not to go had they were they were, they were told they were they, they were, they were extremely nervous about coming and they themselves had a lot of that pre existing deceptions, child challenged. so yeah, and i said, i think it's, i think that what was interesting as well was when i got stopped in, um uh uh, the case that was an enormous amounts of sympathy for, for me. but also there was a large number of, of main stream versus pundits. who would that the national union and the journalist i right, well, they issued a statement in my defense and then promptly deleted this off to a fight. yes. off of intensive public pressure that to do so, and it's like the, the, the site that were a large number of main stream kind of narrative managers who was what justifying

what happens me. well, at denying that i was a john less than suggesting that i was something something else, something raw the dock up. and the effectively yes, painting me is as a, as a likely crew, like criminal and traits up to my country and the reaction. and so it'd be, it was like pretty much universal outraged. and the, the, the press associations here, what it will absolutely furious political, a policies, what issued statements and solidarity with me. what's global britain, what's, i mean from, from reading declassified files from reading things. if people drop off to the greens, so the grace, i'm sorry, what's what it, what it, what is it that it's not on the surface? yeah, sure. so i mean, global breton formerly is on assets to promote and that

that you to know each know, make conflict correlations with brett's and across the region. level. se, assisting the, the, the components of the former yugoslavia into a e. u and nathan membership, the u. k. obviously having itself left the rather rather contradict totally but um yes, beneath the surface it's very, very clear from the light lead files that we've received at the grace and it's true purposes. consider the most in step and this is about feeling government's security service is made. it trees with hon picked hungry and british assets. it's about the opening up and uh, it's a each nomic markets, the british penetration and domination. and uh, yeah, if the politicians stand in the way of breath and then they ought

to be neutralized and breast and has a number of mechanisms for doing this. one of the key methods is by quite some quite promoting independent media line. we're about to publish a story on bulk and insights and that well known c i a propaganda ref thoughtful where there was the, the lack of self awareness in the, in the lead documents is, is quite remarkable. it talks about how there is a need for britain to counteract quotes and quote, stage capture of the media in the balkans. apparently it's ok for it to be captured by britain but not by the national government. and so, and then the explicit purpose is to question, quite hold individuals and organizations and governments, the person con, britson doesn't like to catch those. com. yes, i wish i turns is still right until the election, the head of the foreign from the fast misfiring family. yes. yeah, as you apply that she was trying to mount,

i forgot that exact phrase because it's i meant was, well, yeah, for mentor to, to, to, to get britain to actually do something here at that would be quite my level and now is she is she for real, i mean, can you explain the phenomena of alicia kinds of yes. well i'm gonna think of and if she were to rent is, is her name worth remembering? is she going to disappear in this election and services lose power? or is she going to, to say interested what's your sense of her interested in rate? it's important to understand that the, the british, the more the folks who are in ukraine is a product to purchase intelligence and something that they actively wanted and were pushing for. there was an, in an organization called the institute, the state croft, which 10 years ago published an essay on its website, stating,

we need to get too much of the isolate russia. we need to demonize russia in an ad in western countries. and this, this will create the foundations of will, of the old fashioned sort which the west and britain will win. okay. so russia was drawn into intervening in ukraine due to the uh, the, the attacks on its russian speaking population, which was, uh and, uh, yeah, uh the, uh, the full front of this was at the same people who, 10 years ago advocating for will with russia. and the to say the least, it's not going very well from the west perspective. britson has tried to escalate this as much as possible. they were behind the plotting from the blowing up catch bridge and that they have desperately sought to counter us

reluctance for this to become or that will which. and i think the recent green light thing of the strikes on russia by western countries as a result of breast is pressure and wellbeing. and i've helped her peter, this 1st piece, negotiation. yeah. and they sabotaged the peace negotiations in april 2022. the, the it and so, and i think that because it's going so by the end because of the risk of the us stepping back from this because for all of it's for breast and, and delusion of the us imperial brain for us on the stands. but this isn't on when the boat called my and actually it's not was bankrupting themselves and the minutes rising themselves by providing what is that equipment and i munition to ukraine because russia is not going to back down. so in that context, britson is, is desperate because it's a relevance, internationally is entirely contingent on the entirely contingent on the us unsafe

. and it's is very, very, there were elements within british intelligence. what desperate to open a 2nd front in the proxy bull and the bulk and that's within the bulk. yes and the but the balkans would be why was not really well, what about is is it but the um this, this would be an app. so the, the ideal 5th to draw the us into. now you folks bear in mind the break to ship and staring out, trouble in both of you and in response to the in response to the tension. this is, this is course person to send tens of thousands of so, of course includes peacekeepers into posting yet due to the alleged stretch of russian regression. yet this is brittany who has invited the country in cost of i, the scores of british, again, quite some quite peacekeepers. dotted around dotted around the province, one stripe trigger, pull away from pull it out. well now if you want to expand the proxy warranty the us and what might you do not seem to be very much what alicia kinds was doing.

those important to bear in mind that the intelligence services are effectively low and government onto themselves. and they frequently act in ways to talk concrete, to, uh, the, the, the form of the table structure. so for instance, in, during the 19 ninety's during the was in the, for me, you can solve yet. britain was adamantly opposed to intervention to the extent that they were big to conflict with the uh, the clinton white house and meanwhile, and my 6 was closing on the se, ask, it seems because you absolutely have a composing. yeah. and, and encourage you to, on the, i mean, throughout the 1991, george bush senior was desperately trying to keep the same union and complete and stuff. it breaks up i, i'm an assist. it's a re imagining is the commonwealth of independent states and foods key. i have to

give a speech about how you know, ukraine and rusher are. uh, you know, as one they are one nation and people. and meanwhile, the c i, a in any d was, was they were doing everything in their power to break up the site, the unions. they feed the, the, the deep states frequently at a concrete, to the wishes and wells, all of the states. how are we to distinguish between like in, in the united states, you can pretty much see that it's in new york times get some secret information and publish it. and if the news is the white house, and there's a start screaming bloody murder and starting an investigation into who was the who leaked the information, then you can pretty much figure out the white house wanted yes, the information to end up in the new york times right, but what do we do in the,

in the u. k to, well, i mean, i say, i mean it's, it's remarkable at how rally the, the, the, the agencies lead. and then the, when, when they do, once in a blue moon, it's similarly targeted. and it's again, it's a way of them shaping what isn't, isn't in the public domain. i'm the, i mean for instance, it's been a while that's a golf to now, but like, but believe it was last year, the times newspaper published based on leaks, records of how and my 6 is running an isis an asset to ended up killing members of design some it was quite failing and unhinged individual, but they kept running him and giving him money and direction and that was no doubt leads to get rid of who ever allowed this to happen for, you know, internal reasons. maybe some of them is off of that job. you know, it's a, i think we should always, when things get get published a the appear to be based on inside the source is one or insider information which

it, we have to understand. well, they won't this in the public domain, and the reason isn't the actual thrust of the article. so to give you an example, new york times recently published a revealed in an exclusive expos, a how british and american intelligence officials were active in intel, aviv, assisting these railways in hostage rescue and tracking down high mass. because that doing this, the goodness of the hearts, of course, because they want the war to stop and they won't be coming to stop. so that's why they are conflicts it directly in because the genocide is because they want less people to die. and the, the, i might small is, is the reason that this was published is it's about normalizing direct, british and american involvement on, in, in the world. particularly as israel gives up for conflict with has for the are 11 on which is of all that they kind of when and they've already lost in effect. and

so that obviously going to need british and american soldiers on the ground. and this is, this is laying the foundations for that are finding that it's dangerous and somehow very bad to amplify correct information. you can get slapped with a different punishment if you have amplified something and even, and the, and it's, it's like another way of saying don't you the air quotes this. yeah. and is, but now they don't say don't you? they're closed as they say, don't you? there and i'm fine. yeah, but it's so, i mean, a quote was quite remarkable. and i published from my, from my website, my website was just kicks around that they'll come imaginatively. um, the i published an investigation to have a c i n and my sales practice isis. and this was based on publicly available information, declassified documents, etc. and almost immediately, i mean this close of business sensation when i, when i, when i dropped it and,

and almost immediately people started reportings to me. they've been banned from facebook for sharing it because it was produced by a quote, unquote, dangerous individual. this is a designation that facebook usually applies to people who's been involved in my shootings and all the, the risk incidents like that. but they apply that to me for the crime. investments agenda is a friend of mine who runs a very popular independence, the new site council, the state media, and he shed it on his page, which had, i think it was 4050000 likes. he was a band and he was forced to remove the content, and he was told that facebook would now what from that one would forever algorithmically the boost attempt to prevent any one seeing his post organically. so that for just destroying his page out, right. um yeah, i mean that's quite frightening, but i was going down to the the seconds most of as almost as optimism is the

repressive power structures reach that most repressive when i'm on the verge of collapse. and it's like when, when you can't control people with a brain washing and propaganda unemployed like social control, then you reach for the friendship. but this is almost invariably, when they are on the verge of types of collapse and meet, you know, i mean in the u. k, the, you call in for people anymore. they realize they're living in a sick. the collapsing society of 90 percent of people are dissatisfied in what 12 percent of people believe that mainstream political parties represent public's views. and these are statistics which points to a looming revolution. the, the region web of russian

forces broke through create in front floods captured small, casually along the border. ukraine whose marshal tremendous amounts of material result is manpower worth and weapons continue pouring into ukraine. russian forces take a and then continue advancing, pulled along the front line to this con we were subjected to severe torture. my pinky finger was broken and still can't completely breaking the chain 0 analogy international. as the director of the owls chief off hospital in god, the city describes its 7 months old. sure he and do a little held up in his ready prison box. without a single charge. us supreme court ruled the president's helpful immunity from prosecution full of the official act photos the january 6th k.