it so yeah, sure. well, um, when i see back to the london last which was in may 2023, there was a team of on account of terra police charity waiting for me on the tom back. and i've been expecting to potentially be this stopped to the border ever since i made the sites lever. reporting on pull masons leaked e mails. i'm just pull. my son is a, a precious journalist who has been distinguished himself as a nosy, 18 propagandist, the nato. and the proxy war and ukraine since february 2022. and a i'm was targeting a number of people that i needed, including journalist and academics and activists who were opposed to the proxy will . and these lead tmo showed that he was toward the nice thing, his activities and coordination. so he was coordinating his activities with a, a british intelligence officer linked to my, my 6th, um, uh so i mean, the public's interest in reporting on the seemed like pretty clear. i've then

subsequently received an email from a previous detective, inviting me cool daily to an interview in london. what did they do? they did. i know that you said they fingerprinted. you take, took your dna, do that also. she's already or had a trying to goodman's right. yeah. and so affects the results under the legislation, which is called the 2019 counterterrorism and border act, which effectively creates suspicion was crying. so the wording is orwellian and disturbing the vague. so it states that you can be suspected of working in the instruct tress, obey hostile foreign power without knowing you all, and without the phone power and whose interest you are operating, knowing you are ease. it's quite some conspiracy. when conspiracy is don't know that that conspiring and so uh the oh yeah, i was subject to dna. swab of i was told by a council terry officer with

a sick northern irish accent which gives you some indication of, of his professional background. and what he was getting up to him during the troubles quite some quite and that the, if my dna wasn't found on a, on, on an i, i e, d. in afghanistan, it would be deleted within 6 months, which, you know, wasn't particularly reassuring. and i was forced to hand over the pos passwords and pin cards to my sending cards to my digital devices. and if i refused, i would have interested to cooperate. yes. so i decided to cooperate because i felt, well, i have nothing to hide. how to answer, i was almost an extensive questions about my personal and professional background, my personal life, why i write, say in, think this things to do. and, and then i was that was more general. that was very, very specific. questions about the grades like and it was, it was clear that this was that, that,

that the big tool for us of their interest and the great zone is an independent investigative site in united states. right. that should work for you right for. yeah. yeah. well, i mean i, i run the, the case vision of what were the kids that school, the way of price on a shoe string, because we are independent and project cool. the interested in the credit zone than anything related to belgrade. yeah. and they, they didn't have any the, i mean they wanted to know why lift and said yeah, what did you say? what i said, um, cuz uh, because, uh it, well i, i stated that i loved the people. i loved the culture and i loved the history and the foods pretty good too. and they said that for a reason. yeah. they, they accepted that, although i think that they, it was very, very clear that they found everything about me intensely suspicious. so they all asked me specifically what, how and why i got into writing about national security issues. but also, um why i writes about the british government. i mean, it seemed quite straight. these concepts of them that you would criticize your own

government, which i think speaks volumes about that this fact it's on the well, but yeah, the, the, the, they were the so interest was the grazing and why i writes the particular things that i do for them um they uh, they prefer the initially stated that they were interested in everyone at the site rightful but then it, they didn't tell us one question about the crate where i'm a regular contribution again and an independent use results focused on west asia. they didn't asked about minute press news. in fact, even referred to at one stage has been impressive site. and then there were a large number of questions about my reporting on a, a, a, a cool filing which i did. 2 of the 911 hijackers at least 2 of them were working for the ceo. yeah, they were very interested in not one of them let slip that he a good at one of the office. i might add the, i was not allowed to learn the names. they were, they always give them that co sign. so it was like b one in

a 2. and one stage they would the female offices seem to get what her and co sign was, which was quite phosphor. um but, but yeah, and there were lots of questions about russia and my whether i passed sending you an eruption intelligence officials on had regular contact with them to which the on so was of course no. and the also as a completely new to chris question about whether the greys and had a formal agreement with the speed to publish hacked information, which i kind of it's blocked. certainly said no because it was just such a bizarre, all the line of inquiry. and then i was asked why i responded the way decided, why was i so it was us. and so they apparently don't understand how jen was in was you know, how to say it has a chilling effect on people who practice your life. that did it. yeah. well actually, and is, i mean on or on,

on that subject. the versus government has now paused, is even more horrifying legislation for the national security act, which creates all sorts of new criminal offenses. and like the legislation in which i was detained and interrogated and has very vague a ton voice, perplexing language, where it states that, well, we can, some can be convicted of working for a foreign intelligence service without prove, without the pressure state needing to prove what for an intelligent service that working for, or that someone can be convicted for receiving a quote and quite benefits from a intelligent service, without that benefit being defined. my overall, tate is the, this is effectively creating a frame. what web i, literally, anyone can be prosecuted for any reason. it's just the mattress who they choose to prostitute. and i'm imagine i imagine that they're all your mainstream john, this will not be affected by this formation when he comes home loans option for you,

right? well, tell me what kinds of things are the government for example, i've noticed and i'm and i'm not knowledgeable in the role of intelligence services . so i noticed that you have it made it a habit of saying and by the way, alicia kerns, i think she's an am i 6 agent. mm hm. and by the way, our former ambassador in scope, yet when you look at what she has done, there are a lot of things that make me believe that she has been a lifetime. and my 6th member there are these the kinds of things that upset me. yes, absolutely, and i think the, the pressing has, and this is level 9 done and i, outside the country has the probably the most pervasive. and i'm under kind of in the system of state secrecy and perhaps the wealth, the, the, i mean set me in the west and well and they're all in it for, for,

for very long time. the government has had a very effects, very effective, direct and indirect means of censoring and dictating what doesn't, doesn't get reported on. so there is a very little 9 ministry of defense body known as the d. s. m a committee. this is the defense and security media advisory committee is quint essentially british, which is to say, gentlemanly and dishonest. so it's run out of the ministry of defense and his stuff by military and intelligence veterans. but it claims to be independent of government and what it convenes. regular meetings between major editors of the essence of major newspapers met members of pressure associations. and it arranges tours for them around the offices of m y 6 and g c h q. it's great, it's kind of tell me crony type relationship between mainstream jarvis and the security and intelligence services, but it also does as well, is it routine?

the issues, what's known as the notice is which effectively means do not published notices. so if they feel a story is about the brake, which contains information they don't, once in the public domain, they write to john listen editors and say, would you be, please be, that's a good sport. and not mention this person's name. all this bits of information, are they goods for the and invariably uh it doesn't get reported on. it says bowling, treat quite some quotes, but behind that people know that that will be consequences if they don't you know this heavily censored media. this is not the image we have a united kingdom, even the serbs who are not too fond of the way the u. k. has handled what's what's your professional and personal background? i mean, how did you turn out the way you did? because most of your colleagues, you do not have to go through. so this kind of treats. no, well i mean,

i think i'm, if you have any understanding of how the british private school system and the elite university system work, it is a very effective means of turning out and uh, and questioning, so vile a fascist believes, effectively. who then, yes, they are taught to crave power to face power to love power. and then these people invariably end up in positions of talent. and that the specs of that for then shape the world around them. the, in the pretty much the entirety of the british media is comprised of people who went to lead british private schools to get up the intelligence services. likewise, the ministry. likewise, governments, likewise, it's a uh, very specific club, which the average person is completely shocked. household and so no, um, yes,

knowing how the system operates and knowing how obviously talks it can crisis is it, does that give you a desire and drive and the kind of practical framework to challenge it, which they really don't like. so how does bell grades become your safe haven? um, well, i've been living in london for 30 years, which is longer than anyone should this and not not said to you, i'm a very rare example of someone who was actually born that lived that as. but it's very transient made of people from the home counties these days. but in fact, i began traveling through eastern europe regularly and largely because it was cheap uh hang on, which london says to me isn't. and um i, uh, i that very much kind of identified with the people you know, parts of goals, hard as nails and ios and the like. when i went to, when i came to said it was

a real kind of 3, the looking glass, and my experience, me because i'm old enough to remember the criminal destruction of you can solve you and all of the relentless media tub, something for nato to kill sides and the, and the relentless demonize ation of sab year and his people as a nation of genocidal a ball barrick savages. and i was actually confronted with the most the kindest, most courteous and welcoming people i've ever met. and, and, and i realize that the numerous number of things that i believed about the well, well, completely untrue. and it was, it was quite liberating, actually. and i might had this, this propaganda runs very deep. i have friends in the u. k who are scheduled to visit me here. uh, i had 2 friends of friends of mine visited me recently when they told people they

were visiting. so it'd be the morning's not to go head they would say would they would told they would they, they would, they were extremely nervous about coming and they themselves had a lot of that pre existing perceptions child challenged. so yeah, and i see, i think it's, i think that what was interesting as well was when i got stopped in, um, uh, uh, the type that was an enormous amounts of sympathy for, for me. but also there was a large number of, of main stream versus pundits to what did the national union and a journalist i, right, well, they issued a statement in my defense and then promptly deleted this off to post site. yes. of the intensive public pressure that to do so, and it's like the, the, the site that were a large number of main stream kind of narrative managers who was what justifying what happens me. what ad denying the 5 is

a john less than suggesting this. i was something something else, something raw the dock and the effectively yes, painting me is as a, as a likely cream, like criminal and traits up to my country and the reaction. and so it'd be, it was like pretty much universal outraged. and the, the press associations here, what it will absolutely furious political, a policies, what issued statements in solidarity with me. what's global britain, what's, i mean from, from reading declassified files from reading things that people drop off to the greens. and so the grace, i'm sorry, what's what it, what it, what is it that it's not on the surface? yeah, sure. so i mean, global breton formerly is on assets to um, that promotes an ad that you to know economic conflicts,

correlations with breasts and across the region level se, assisting the, the, the components of the former yugoslavia into a e, u. nate's and membership. the u. k. obviously having itself left the he rather rather contradict totally but um yes, beneath the surface it's very, very clear from the like neat files that we've received at the grace saying that it's true purpose is considerably more sinister. and this is about feeling government's security service is made it trees with hon picked hungry and british assets. it's about a opening up um uh, it's a each moment markets, the british penetration and domination. and uh, yeah, if the politicians stand in the way of brits and then they ought to be neutralized, i'm person has a number of mechanisms for doing this. one of the key message is by quite some

quite promoting independent media. and while i'm, we're about to publish a story on bulk and insights um that wellness c i a propaganda ref thoughtful where there was the, the lack of self awareness in the, in the lead documents is, is quite remarkable. it talks about how there is a need for breast into accounts that quote unquote states capture of the media in the balkans. apparently it's ok for it to be captured by person, but not by the national government and so on. and then the explicit purpose is to question, quite hold individuals and organizations and governments. the person con britson does is life to cantos. yes, i wish i could turns is still right until the election, the head of the foreign from the fast misfiring family. yes. yeah. as you imply that she was trying to mount,

i've forgotten the exact phrase because it's i meant was, well, yeah, for mentor to, to, to, to get britain to actually do something here at that would be quite my level. and now is she, is she for real? i mean, can you explain the phenomena of alicia kinds of yes. well i'm gonna think preventive . she worth rent is, is her name worth remembering? is she going to disappear in this election? and conservatives lose power? or is she going to to stay interested? what's your sense of her interest and reach it's important to understand that the, the british, the, the more the folks who were a new train is a product to purchase intelligence and something that they actively wanted and were pushing for. there was an organization called the institute the state croft, which 10 years ago published an essay on its website, stating we need to diplomatic,

the isolate russia. we need to demonize russia in an ad in western countries. and this, this will create the foundations of will, of the old fashioned sort which the west and britain will win. okay. so russia was drawn into intervening in ukraine due to the uh, the, the, the attacks on its russian speaking population, which was, uh, and uh, yeah, out of the full front of this was at the same people who, 10 years ago advocating for will with russia. and the to say the least, it's not going very well from the west perspective. britson has tried to escalate this as much as possible. they, with behind the tossing from the blowing up catch bridge and that they have desperately sought to counter us reluctance for this to become without war.

which i think that the recent green light thing of the strikes on russia by western countries as a result of breakfast, pressure and lobbying and help to repeat this 1st piece. negotiation. yeah. and they sabotaged the peace negotiations in april 2022 the the it and so, and i think that because it's coming. so by the end, because of the risk of the us stepping back from this because for all of it's for breast and, and delusion of the us imperial brain for us understands that this is an unwinnable club. my and actually it's not was bankrupting themselves. and the minutes rising themselves by providing what is their equipment and i munition to ukraine because russia is not going to back down. so in that context, britson is, is desperate because it's a relevance, internationally is entirely contingent on the entirely contingent on the us unsafe . and it's is very, very,

there were elements within british intelligence. what desperate to open a 2nd front in the proxy bull and the bulk and that would be the bulk. yes and the, but the vulcans would be was not really well. what would the buttons is it? but the, um this, this would be an app. so the, the ideal 5th to draw the us into now, you folks bear in mind, the brakes are shipping stirring up trouble in both in the and in response to the in response. you don't see the tension that this is mrs. course president has sent tens of thousands of sold for quite some quite peacekeepers into boston yet due to the alleged stretch of russian regression. yet this is brittany who has invited the country in cost of i dealt with scores of british again, quite some quite peacekeepers. dotted around dotted around the province, one stripe trigger, pull away from all out. well now if you want to expand the proxy warranty the us and what might you do not seem to be very much what alicia kinds was doing was

important to bear in mind that the intelligence services are effectively low and government onto themselves. and they frequently act in ways that are concrete to uh, the, the, the form and the table structure. so for instance, in, during the 19 ninety's during the was in, in the former yugoslavia, britain was adamantly opposed to intervention to the extent that they were big to conflict with the uh, the clinton white house. meanwhile, m, i 6 was closing on the se, ask it seems because you absolutely have a composing. yeah. and, and encourage you to, on the, i mean, throughout the 1991, george bush senior was desperately trying to keep the same union and complete and stuff. it breaks up i, i'm an assist, it's a re imagining is the commonwealth of independent states and foods key. i have to give a speech about how, you know, ukraine and rupture are uh, you know,

as one the one nation and people. and meanwhile, the c i, a in any d was, was they were doing everything in their power to break up the soviet union. they freed the, the, the deep states frequently at a country to the wishes and wells, all of the states. how are we to distinguish between like in, in the united states, you can pretty much see that if the new york times get some secret information and publish it. and if the news is the white house, and there's a start screaming bloody murder and starting an investigation into who was the who licks the information, then you can pretty much figure out the white house wanted yes, the information to end up in the new york times right, but what do we do in the, in the u. k to, well, i mean, i mean it's, it's remarkable at how rally the,

the, the, the agencies lead. and then the, when, when they do, once in a blue moon, it's similarly targeted. and it's again, it's a way of them shaping what isn't, isn't in the public, they might, and them the, i mean, for instance, it's been a while the forgotten now, but like that, believe it was last year. the times newspaper published based on leaks, records of how and my 6 is running an isis asset who ended up killing members of design. some, it was quite failed in on the hinged individual, but they kept running him and giving him money and direction. and that was, no doubt, leads to get rid of who ever allowed this to happen for, you know, internal reasons, maybe some of them was off to that job. you know, it's a, i think we should always, when things get get published, a, the appear to be based on inside the source is, are in or inside your information, which it, we have to understand. well,

they won't this in the public domain. and the reason isn't the actual thrust of the article. so to give you an example, new york times recently published a revealed in an exclusive expos, a how british and american intelligence officials were active in intel, aviv, assisting these railways in hostage rescue and tracking down high mass. because that doing this, the goodness of the hearts, of course, because they want the war to stop and they won't be coming to stop. so that's why they are conflicts it directly in because the genocide is because they want less people to die. and, and the, the i, my small is, is the reason that this was published is it's about normalizing direct, british and american involvement on, in, in the world, particularly as, as well as up for conflict with has pull our 11 on, which is of all that they cannot when and they've already lost in effect. and so

that obviously going to need british and american soldiers on the ground. and this is, this is laying the foundations for that. i find that it's dangerous and somehow very bad to amplify correct information. you can get slapped with a different punishment if you have amplified something and even, and the, and it's, it's like another way of saying don't you the air quotes this. yeah. and it's, but now they don't say don't to their quote as they say, don't you? there and on a fine. yeah. but it's, i mean, a quote was quite remarkable. and i published from my, from my website, my website was just kinda come imaginatively. um the i published an investigation into how the c i n m i c expected ices. and this was based on publicly available information, declassified documents, etc. and almost immediately, i mean this close a bit of the sensation when i, when i, when i dropped it and, and almost immediately people start to report things to me. they've been banned

from facebook for sharing it because it was produced by 8 quotes and quite a dangerous individual. this is a designation that facebook usually applies to people who's been involved in my shootings and all the, the, the risk incidents like that. but they applied it to me for the crime investments a john was a friend of mine who runs a very popular independence, the new site counsellor state media. and he shed it on his page which had i think it was 4050000 lights. um, he was a band and he was forced to remove the content, and he was told that facebook would now what from that one would forever algorithmically the boost attempt to prevent any one seeing his post of organically . so that for just destroying his page, right? so yeah, i mean, that's quite frightening, but i was going to get on to the, the seconds sort of as almost as optimism is the repressive power structure. his

recent most repressive when on the verge of collapse. and it's like when, when you call and control people with brain washing and propaganda unemployed like social control, then you reach for the function. but this is almost invariably, when they are on the verge of types of collapse and meet, you know, i mean in the u. k. the, you, you, you calling for people anymore. they realize they're living in a sick. the collapsing society of 90 percent of people are dissatisfied in what 12 percent of people believe that mainstream political policies represent the public's these. these are statistics which points to a looming revolution the the

other way law. right? so see what's printing was, are up and one of the this is just a boost papers with me. the last name was needed, read it was can when we used to imagine what else was more or someone was this we which i knew people to the the of the same rom just don't

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