of a threat to national security, they see him as a valid entry, tyler who was persecuted and tortured. so the crime is publishing secrets the us government didn't want it in the public domain. you'll come from the cradle of democracy indeed. and then i'll wait here in the balkans, we have always a as we have been for decades asking for those standards of journalism and that kind of freedom of the press. so could you start by telling me how did you get in trouble with your own government? practicing journalism or yeah, sure. well, um, when i see back to the london last which was in may 2023. and there was a team of on the account of terra police, charity waiting for me on the tomeka. and i've been expecting to potentially be this stopped to the border and ever since i made these sites lever, reporting on pull masons leaked emails um this pull, my son is a, a breakfast generalist, who has been distinguished himself as a nosy,

18 propagandist, the nato. and the proxy war and ukraine since february 2022. and a i'm was targeting a number of people that i need, including journalists and academics, and activists who were opposed to the proxy will. and these lead email showed that he was towards an a thing his activities in coordination. so he was coordinating his activities with a, a position intelligence officer link to where my 6th, um, ah, so i mean, the public's interest in reporting on the seemed like pretty clear. i've then subsequently received an email from a brush detective inviting me cool daily to an interview in london. what did they do? they say that i know that you said they fingerprinted, you take, took your dna and that also says dory, or that of trying to goodman's right. yeah. and so effectively results under the legislation which is called the 2019 counter terrorism and border act, which effectively creates suspicion was crying. and so the wording is all well in

and disturbing the vague. so it states that you can be suspected of working in the interupt tress of a hostile foreign power without knowing you off and without the phone power in is interest. you are operating, knowing you are ease. it's quite some conspiracy. when conspiracy is don't know that that conspiring and so uh the oh yeah, i was subject to dna swab so i was told by counts terry office. so with a sick northern irish accent which gives you some indication of, of his professional background. and what he was getting up to him during the troubles quite some quite and that the, if my dna wasn't found on a, on, on an i r e d in afghanistan, it would be deleted within 6 months, which, you know, it wasn't particularly reassuring. and i was forced to hand over the pos passwords and pin cards to my sim cards to my digital devices. and if i refused,

i would have interested to cooperate. yes. so i decided to cooperate because i felt, well, i've nothing to hide by how to ones that i was almost an extensive questions about my personal and professional background, my personal life. why i right. say and think the things that i do um and then i was that was more general that was very, very specific. questions about the greys side. and it was, it was clear that this was that, that, that the, the tool thrust of their interest in the great zone is an independent investigative site in united states. right. that should work for you. right for. yeah. yeah. well, i mean i, i run the, the k division of whatever the task will do in a way of price on a shoe string because we are independent and reject cool. the interested in the great zones. i mean, anything related to belgrade. yeah. and they, they didn't have any the, i mean they wanted to know why list. and so, yeah,

what did you say? all right, well, i said, um, cause, uh because uh it, well i, i stated that i loved the people. i loved the culture and loved the history and the foods pretty good. take this. take that for a reason. yeah. they, they accepted that, although i think that they, it was very, very clear that they found everything about me intensely suspicious. so they all asked me specifically what, how and why i got into writing about national security issues. but also why i wrote about the pers, these government, i mean it seemed quite a strange concept to them that you would criticize your and government, which i think speaks volumes about that this fact it's on the well, but yeah, the, the, the, they were the so interest was the grazing and why i writes the particular things this i do for them they, they prefer the initially stated that they were interested in every what this i rightful. but then they didn't tell us one question about the crate where i'm a regular countries to again and independent use results focused on west asia. they

didn't asked about minute press news if i've even referred to it once. they just been processed and then there were a large number of questions about my reporting on a, a, a, a cool filing which i did 2 of the 911 hijackers at least 2 of them were working for the c i. yeah. they were very interested, not one of them that slip, that he a good at one of the office. i might add the, i was not allowed to learn the names. they were the i was given that co signed. so it was like b one in a 2, and at one stage they would, the female offices seem to forget what her and co sign was, which was quite false. so, um, but, but yeah, and there were lots of questions about russia and my whether i passed sending you an eruption intelligence officials on had regular contact with them to which the on so was of course no. and the also a completely new to chris question about whether the greys and had

a formal agreement with the speed to publish hacked information, which i kind of that spluttering. the said no, because it was just such a bizarre, all the line of inquiry. and then i was almost why i responded the way to so i did, why was i? so it was us and, and then finally down the sun coach and was in was, you know, how does a, it has a chilling effect. young people who practice or like that, that it. yeah, well absolutely, and is i mean on or on, on that subject versus government has now paused is even more horrifying legislation for the national security act, which creates all sorts of new criminal offenses. and like the legislation in which i was detained and interrogated and has very vague a kind of always perplexing language. where it states that, well, we can, some can be convicted of working for a far an intelligent service without prove, without the pressure state needing to prove what for an intelligent service that

working for or that something that can be convicted for receiving a quote to include the benefits from a intelligent service, without that benefit being defined, my overall take is the, this is effectively creating a frame. what web i, literally, anyone can be prosecuted for any reason. it's just a matter of who they choose to prosecute. and i'm imagine, i imagine that they're all mainstream john, this will not be affected by this formation. when he comes home loans option for you, right? ok. tell me what kinds of things are the government for example, i noticed and i'm and i'm not knowledgeable. and the role of intelligence services . so i've noticed that you have it made it a habit of saying and by the way, alicia kerns, i think she's an am i 6 agent. mm hm. and by the way, our former ambassador in scope, yet when you look at what she has done, there are

a lot of things that make me believe that she has been a lifetime and my 6th member there are these the kinds of things that upset yes, absolutely. and i think the, the britain has been, this is level 9 done and i, outside the country has the probably the most pervasive. and i'm under kind of in the system of state secrecy and perhaps the wealth, the, the, i mean stephanie in the west and well, and they're all in it for, for, for very long time. the government has had a very effects, very effective, direct and indirect means. of censoring and dictating what doesn't, doesn't get reported on. so there is a very little 9 ministry of defense body known as the d. s. m a committee. this is the defense and security media advisory committee. it is quint essentially british, which is to say, gentlemanly and dishonest. so it's run out of the ministry of defense,

uninstalled by military and intelligence veterans, but it claims to be independent of government and what it convenes. regular meetings between major editors of u. s. is imagining these papers met, members of pressure associations, and it arranges tours for them around the offices of m y 6 and g c h q. it's great, it's kind of tell me crony type relationship between main springs on this and the security and intelligence services. but it also does as well, is it routine the issues, what's known as the notices which effectively meets do not published notices. so if they feel a story is about to break, which contains information they don't, once in the public domain, they write to john, listen editors and say, would you be, please be, that's a good sport. and not mention this person's name. all this bits of information, are they goods for the and invariably uh it doesn't get reported on

it says bowling treat quite some quite but behind that people know that that will be consequences if they don't you know this heavily censored media. this is not the image we have up to you and i think and even deserves who are not too fond of the way the u. k. has handled what's what's your professional and personal background? i mean, how did you turn out the way you did? because most of your colleagues, i do not have to go to so this kind of treats no, well. busy i mean, i think i'm, if you have any understanding of how the british private school system and the lee university system works, it's is a very effective means of turning out and uh, and questioning, so vile a fascist believes, effectively. who then yes, they are taught to crave power to face power to love power. and then these people

invariably end up in positions of tell up. and that the specs of that for then shape the world around the, the, in the pretty much the entire seat of the british media is comprised of people who went to lead british private schools to get up the intelligence services. likewise, the minute treat. likewise, governments, likewise, it's a uh, very specific club which the average person is completely shocked household and so no um, yes, knowing how the system operates and knowing how actually talks it can crisis. it says, it does give you a desire and drive and the kind of practical framework to challenge it, which they really don't like. so how does bell grades become you are safe haven? um, well, i've been living in london for 30 years,

which is longer than anyone should this and not not said to you, i'm a very rare example of someone who was actually born that i missed the as of is right transients and made up of people from the home counties these days, but in fact i began traveling through eastern europe regularly and largely because it was cheap uh hang on, which london says to me isn't, and um i, uh, i that very much kind of identified with the people, you know, lots of goals hard as nails and ios and like when i went to, when i came to sub yeah, it was a real kind of through the looking glass. and my experience me because i'm old enough to remember the criminal destruction of you can solve you and all of the relentless media tub, something for nato, to kill sides. and the, and the relentless demonize ation of sab year and his people as a nation of genocidal

a ball barrick savages. and i was actually confronted with the most the kindest, most courteous and welcoming people i've ever met. and, and, and i realize that the numerous number of things that i believed about the well, well, completely untrue. and it was, it was quite liberating, actually. and i might had this, this propaganda runs very deep. i have friends in the u. k who are scheduled to visit me here. uh, i had 2 friends of friends of mine visited me recently when they told people they were visiting. so it'd be the morning's not to go head they would say would they would told they would they, they would, they were extremely nervous about coming and they themselves had a lot of that pre existing perceptions child challenged. so yeah, and i, i, i think that what was interesting as well was when i got stopped in, um, uh, uh, uh, the case that was an enormous amounts of sympathy for,

for me. but it will say there was a large number of, of main stream brushes pundits to what did the national union and the german is that right? well, the issue, the statement in my defense and then promptly deleted this off to the whole site. yes, of the intensive public pressure that to do so, and it's like that the, the site that we're a large number of mainstream kind of narrative managers who what, what justifying what happens me, what at denying that i was a john less than suggesting that i was something something else, something raw the dock up and the effectively yes, painting me is as a, as a likely credit like criminal and traits up to my country. and the reaction in serbia was like pretty much universal outraged. and the, the press associations here, what it will absolutely furious political, a policies, what issued statements in solidarity with me. what's global britain,

what's, i mean from, from reading declassified files from reading things that people drop off to the greens. and so the grace, i'm sorry, what's what it, what it, what is it the snot on the surface? yeah, sure. so i mean global breton formerly is on assets to um, that promotes and that, that you to know each know, make conflict correlations with brett's and across the region. level. se, assisting the, the, the components of the former yugoslavia into a e. u and nathan membership. the u. k. obviously having itself left the he rather rather contradict totally but um yes, beneath the surface it's very, very clear from the like neat files that we've received at the grace saying that

it's true purpose is considerably more sinister. and this is about feeling government's security service is made it trees with hon picked hungry and british assets. it's about a opening up a economic markets, the british penetration and domination. and um, uh, yeah, if the politicians stand in the way of brits and then they ought to be neutralized and breast and has a number of mechanisms for doing this. one of the key methods is by quite some quite promoting independent media line. we're about to publish a story on bulk and insights on that well known c. i a propaganda ref thoughtful where there was the, the lack of self awareness in the, in the lead documents is, is quite remarkable. it talks about how there is a need for breast and to counteract quotes and quote, states capture of the media in the balkans. apparently it's ok for it to be

captured by britain, but not by heart and national governments and so on. and then the explicit purpose is to question, quite hold individuals and organizations and governments, the person con britson doesn't like to kind of tell us kind of yes, i wish i could turns is still right until the election, the head of the foreign furnace estimates for him it yes, yeah. as you apply that she was trying to mount. i've forgotten the exact phrase because it's i meant was, well, yeah, for mentor to, to, to, to get breast and to actually do some things here and that, that would be quite my level. and now is she, is she for real? i mean, can you explain the phenomena of alicia kinds of yes. well i'm, i think preventive. she went through is, is her name worth remembering?

is she going to disappear in this election and services lose power? or is she going to, to stay interested? what's your sense of her interested in the reach? it's important to understand that the, the british, the, the more the folks who are in ukraine is a product to purchase intelligence. it is something that they actively wanted and were pushing for. there was an organization called the institute, the state croft, which 10 years ago published an essay on its website, stating we need to dig through magic the isolate russia. we need to demonize russia in a bed the in western countries, and this, this will create the foundations of will, of the old fashioned sort, which the west and britain will win. okay. so russia was drawn into intervening in ukraine due to the uh, the, the attacks on its russian speaking population. which would, and uh,

yeah, uh the, uh, the full front of this was the same people who, 10 years ago advocating for will with russia and the to say the least. it's not going very well from the west perspective. britson has tried to escalate this as, as much as possible. they were behind the 12 thing from the blowing up catch bridge that they have desperately sought to counter us reluctance for this to become old. i will, which and i think that the recent green light thing as it strikes on russia by western countries as a result of breakfast, pressure and lobbying and help to repeat this 1st piece. negotiation. yeah. and they sabotaged the peace negotiations in april 2022 and the it. and so, and i think that because it's coming, so by the end because of the risk of the us stepping back from this because for all

of its for breast and, and delusion of the us imperial brain for us understands that this is an unwinnable cause my and actually it's not was bankrupting themselves and the minutes rising themselves by providing what is their equipment and i munition to ukraine because rushes not gains back down. so in that context, britson is, is desperate because it's a relevance internationally is entirely contingent on the entirely contingent on the us. and so it's is very, very the elements within russian thousands who are desperate to open the 2nd front in the proxy bull and the bulk. and that would be the bulk. yes. and the, but the vulcans would be was not really well. what would the buttons is it? but the um, this, this would be an app. so the ideal 5th to draw the us into. now you folks bear in mind, the brakes are shifting, stirring up trouble in both of you. and in response to the end result, you don't see the tension that this is mrs course. pressing his son tens of

thousands of sold a quite some quite peacekeepers into boston, yet due to the alleged stretches of russian aggression. yet this is brittany who has invited the country in cost of the scores of british, again, quite some quite peacekeepers. dotted around dotted around the province. well, one stripe trigger, pull away from pull it out. well. now if you want to expand the proxy war and keep the us in, what might you do not seem to be very much what alicia kinds was doing was important to bear in mind that the intelligence services are effectively low and government onto themselves. and they frequently act in ways to talk concrete, to, uh, the, the, the full, the table structure. so for instance, in, during the 19 ninety's during the was in, in the former yugoslavia, britain was adamantly opposed to intervention to the extent that they were big to conflict with the uh, the clinton white house. meanwhile, m,

i 6 was closing on the se, ask it seems because you obviously have a composing. yeah. and, and increase it to the means throughout the 1991, george bush senior was desperately trying to keep the site. you need to complete and stuff. it breaks up i, i'm an assist. it's a re imagining is the commonwealth of independent states and foods key. i have to give a speech about how you know, ukraine and rusher are. uh, you know, as one, the one nation and people. and meanwhile the c i, a in any d was, was they were doing everything in their power to break up the soviet union. they freed the, the, the deep states frequently at a country to the wishes and wells, all of the states. how are we to distinguish between like in, in united states, you can pretty much see that the new times get some and this seekers

information and publish it. and if the news at any of the white house, and there's a start screaming bloody murder and starting an investigation into who was the, who makes the information, then you can pretty much figure out the white house wanted yes, the information to end up in the new york times, right? but what do we do in the, in the u. k? well, i mean, i mean it's, it's remarkable at how rally the, the, the, the, the agencies lead. and then the, when, when they do, once in a believe maintenance, it's similarly targeted and it's again, it's a way of them shaping what isn't, isn't in the public. i made them the, i mean for instance, it's been robinson gotten now, but like that believe it was last year. the times newspaper published based on leaks, records of how and my 6th was running an isis an asset to ended up killing members

of design. some it was quite failing and on the hinged individual, but they kept running him and giving him money and direction and that was no doubt leaks to get rid of who has allowed this to happen for, you know, internal reasons. maybe some of them is off of that job. you know, it's a, i think we should always, when things get get published a they appear to be based on inside the sources or an or insider information, which is we have to understand, well they won't this in the public domain. and the reason isn't the actual thrust of the hospital. so to give you an example, new york times recently published a revealed in an exclusive expos, a how british and american intelligence officials were active in intel, aviv, assisting these railways in hostage rescue and tracking down high mass. because that doing this, the goodness of the hearts, of course, because they want,

the both stopped and they won't be coming to stop. so that's why they are conflicts it directly in because the genocide is because they want less people to die. and the, the i might small is, is the reason that this was published is it's about normalizing direct, british and american involvement on, in, in the world. particularly as israel gives up for conflict with hezbollah, our 11 on which is the rule that they cannot win. and they've already lost in effect. and so that obviously going to need british and american soldiers on the ground. and this is, this is laying the foundations for that are finding that it's dangerous and somehow very bad to amplify correct information. you can get slapped with the different punishment if you have amplified something and even, and the, and it's, it's like another way of saying don't you the air quotes this. yeah. and is, but now they don't say don't you? they're closed as they say, don't you?

there and i'm fine. yeah, but it's, i mean, a quote was quite remarkable. and i published from my, from my website. my website was just kicks, i'm back. i'll come imaginatively. um, the i published an investigation to have a c, i n m i c expected ices. and this was based on publicly available information, declassified documents, etc. and almost immediately, i mean, this close of business sensation when i, when i, when i dropped it and, and almost immediately people's thoughts reporting to me that they've been banned from facebook to sharing it because it was produced by a quote unquote, dangerous individual. this is a designation that facebook usually applies to people who been involved in my shootings and all the, the, the risk incidents like that. but they apply that to me for the crime, investments agendas and a friend of mine who runs a very popular independence. the new site counsellor state media and he shed it on his page which had i think it was 4050000 likes um he was

a band and he was forced to remove the content and he was told that facebook would now what from that one would forever algorithmically the boost attempt to prevent any one seeing his post organically. so that for just destroying his page out. right. um yeah, i mean that's quite frank, but i was going to get on to the the 2nd source of, of all of optimism is the repressive power structures reach that most repressive when i'm on the verge of collapse. and it's like when, when you call and control people with a brain washing and propaganda unemployed like social control, then you reach for the function. but this is almost invariably, when they are on the verge of types of collapse and meet, you know, i mean in the u. k. the, you, you, you call in for people anymore. they realize they're living in a sick, the collapsing society of 90 percent of people are dissatisfied in what 12 percent

of people believe that mainstream political policies represent pump the publics these. these are statistics which points to a looming resolution, the same rom just don't have to shape house because after kids and engagement equals the trails, when so many find themselves world the parts we choose to look so common ground

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