act based on us legal submissions in the trial of chelsea manning and also julian's own trial that nobody was at the homes by which leaks some disclosures. so i mean to see people trusting out this perverse libel is pretty repulsive, but it's also to be expected. i think that the uh it as a means of maintaining this main stream, stigma around julian with out of your, even while he's a and a legacy like so to speak as it think of what we've seen. a lot of this me is been directed as a science over the past kind of decade and a half. i spun out, but the, the as what majority of people are listening, you know, nobody types the mainstream media service anymore. nobody believes that the name is a, a russian agent or a or right test or a threat to national security. they see him as a valid entry, tyler, who is persecuted and tortured. so the crime is publishing secrets the us

government didn't want it in the public domain. you'll come from the cradle of democracy. indeed. and then i'll wait here in the balkans, we have always a as we have been for decades asking for those standards of journalism and that kind of freedom of the press. so could you start by telling me how did you get in trouble with your own government? practicing journalism, so yeah, sure. well, um, when i see back to the london last which was in may 2023, there was a team of on account of tara police charity waiting for me on the tarmac. and i've been expecting to potentially be this stopped to the board ever since i made the sites that were reporting on pull masons leaked emails. um, this pull mason is a, a precious journalist who has been distinguished himself as a noisy, 18 propagandist, the nato and the proxy were in ukraine since february 2022. and a,

i'm was targeting a number of people that i need, including journalists and academics, and activists who were opposed to the proxy will. and these lead email showed that he was toward the nation, his activities and coordination. so he was coordinating his activities with a, a british intelligence officer linked to my, my 6th, um, uh so i mean, the public's interest in reporting on the seemed like pretty clear. i've then subsequently received an email from a previous detective, inviting me cool daily to an interview in london. what did they do? they say that i know that you said they fingerprinted. you take, took your dna, do that also. she's dirty, or electronic equipment, right? yeah, and so i faxed to the results under the legislation, which is called the 2019 counterterrorism and board direct which effectively creates suspicion was crying. and so the wording is orwellian and

disturbing the vague. so it states that you can be suspected of working in the instruct tress of a hostile foreign power without knowing you all and without the phone and how in is interest, your operating knowing you are ease. it's quite some conspiracy. when conspirators don't know that that conspiring and so uh the oh yeah, i was subject to dna swab. so i was told by counts terry officer with a sick northern irish jackson which gives you some indication of, of his professional background. and what he was getting up to him during the troubles quite some quite so the, the if my dna wasn't found on a, on, on an i r e d in afghanistan, it would be deleted within 6 months, which, you know, wasn't particularly reassuring. and i was forced to hand over the pos passwords and pin cards to my sim cards to my digital devices. and if i refused,

i would have interested to cooperate. yeah. so i, i decided to cooperate because i felt, well, i have nothing to hide, just like how to ones that i was almost an extensive questions about my personal and professional background, my personal life. why i writes, say, and think this things to do and, and then i was that was more general that would very, very specific questions about the grades. and it was, it was clear that this was that, that, that the tool for us of their interest and the great zone is an independent investigative site in united states. right. that should work for you. right for. yeah. yeah. well, i mean i, i run the, the k division of whatever the task will do in a way of price on a shoe string because we are independent and reject cool. the interested in the great zone, the need. anything related to belgrade? yeah. and they, they didn't have any the, i mean they wanted to know why lift and said, yeah, what did you say? all right, well, i said, um, this is uh it, well i,

i stated that i loved the people. i loved the culture and i loved the history and the foods pretty good. take this. take that for a reason. yeah. they, they accepted that, although i think that they, it was very, very clear that they found everything about me intensely suspicious. so they all asked me specifically what, how and why i got into writing about national security issues. but also why i wrote about the british government. i mean, it seemed quite a strange concept to them that you would criticize your own government, which i think speaks volumes about that this fact it's on the well, but yeah, the, the, the, they were the so interest was the grazing and why i writes the particular things that i do for them they, they prefer the initially stated that they were interested in every wet this i rightful, but then it, they didn't ask one question about the crate where i'm a regular countries again and an independent use results focused on west asia. they didn't asked about minute press news if i've even referred to it once. they just

been impressive site and then there were a large number of questions about my reporting on, on a, a, a cool filing which i did. 2 of the 911 hijackers at least 2 of them were working for the c i. yeah. they were very interested in not one of them that slip, that he a good at one of the office. i might add the i was not allowed to learn the names. they were, they always give them that co sign. so it was like b one and a 2. um and uh at one stage they would the female offices seem to get what her ankle sign was, which was quite phosphor. um but, but yeah, and there were lots of questions about russia and my whether i passed sending you an eruption intelligence officials and had regular contact with them to which the on so was of course no. and the also as a completely new to chris question about whether the greys and had a formal agreement with the speed to publish hacked information,

which i kind of spluttering. the said no, because it was just such a bizarre, all the line of inquiry. and then i was almost why i responded the way to so i did, why was, i saw it was us and, and then finally, don't understand how jen was in was you know, how does a, it has a chilling effect. young people who practice your life that did it. yeah, well actually, and is i mean on or on, on that subject versus government has now paused, is even more horrifying legislation for the national security act, which creates all sorts of new criminal offenses. and like the legislation in which i was detained and interrogated and has very vague a concourse perplexing language. where it states that, well, we can, some can be convicted of working for a far an intelligent service without prove, without the rest of the state needing to prove what for an intelligent service that working for, or that someone can be convicted for receiving

a quote and quite benefits from a intelligent service, without that benefit being defined, my overall tape is the, this is effectively creating a, a frame. what web i, literally, anyone can be prosecuted for any reason. it's just the mattress who they choose to prosecute. and i'm imagine, i imagine that they're all mainstream john, this will not be affected by this whole nation when he comes home loans option for you. right? oh, tell me what kinds of things are the government for example, i've noticed and i'm and i'm not knowledgeable. and the role of intelligence services. so i've noticed that you have it made it a habit of saying and by the way, alicia kerns, i think she's an am i 6 agent. mm hm. and by the way, our former ambassador in scope, yet when you look at what she's done, there are a lot of things that make me believe that she has been

a lifetime and my 6th member there are these the kinds of things that upset the yes, absolutely. and i think the, the britain has been, this is little known and outside the country has the probably the most pervasive. and i'm under kind of in a system of state secrecy and perhaps the wells on the, i mean suddenly in the west and well. and they're all in it for, for, for, for very long time, the government has had a very effects, very effective, direct and indirect means of censoring and dictating what doesn't, doesn't get reported on. so there is a very little 9 ministry of defense body known as the d s. m a committee. this is the defense and security media advisory committee is quint essentially british, which is to say, gentlemanly and dishonest. so it's run out of the ministry of defense, uninstalled by military and intelligence veterans,

but it claims to be independent of government and what it convenes. regular meetings between major editors of new ets is imagining these papers met, members of pressure associations, and arranges tours for them around the offices of that my 6 and g. c h q. it's great, it's kind of tell me, um, crony type relationship between mainstream john this and the security and intelligence services. but it also does as well, is it routine? the issues, what's known as the notice is which effectively means do not publish notices. so if they feel a story is about to break, which contains information they don't, once in the public domain, they write to john, listen editors and say, would you be, please be, that's a good sports. and not mentioned this person's name or this bits of information. are they good support and invariably uh, it doesn't get reported. i think it says bolden treat question quite. but behind

that people know that there will be consequences if they don't. you know this heavily censored media, this is not the image we have a united kingdom, even the serbs who are not too fond of the way the u. k. has handled what's what's your professional and personal background? i mean, how did you turn out the way you did because most of your colleagues, you do not have to go through. so this kind of treats no, well. busy i mean, i think i'm, if you have any understanding of how the british private school system and the lee university system, what is a very effective means of turning out and uh on questioning. so vile a fascist believes effectively. who then yes, they are taught to crave power to face power to love power. and then these people very the end up in positions of power. and that perspective that for then shape the

world around them. the, in the pretty much the entire seat of the british media is comprised of people who went to a lead british private schools to get up the intelligence services. likewise, the minute treat. likewise, governments, likewise, it's a very specific club which the average person is complete. the shots, household and so no, yes, knowing how the system operates and knowing how obviously toxic and crisis is. um, it does give you a designer and drive and the kind of practical framework to challenge it, which they really don't like. so how does belle grove become your safe haven? um, well, i've been living in london for 30 years, which is longer than anyone she lives in, not, not city. i'm a very rare example of someone who was actually born that and lift the as well as

for a transients and made up with people from the home counties these days. but in fact, i began traveling to eastern europe regularly and largely because it was cheap and wish london says to me isn't and um i, uh, i very much kind of identified with the people, you know, pots of gold, hard as nails and ios. and like when i went to, when i came to sub yeah, it was a real kind of through the looking glass of my experience to me because i am old enough to remember the criminal destruction of yugoslavia and all of the relentless media tub. something for nato to kill sides, and the, and the relentless demonize ation of savvy, and his people as a nation of genocidal a ball barrick savages. and i was actually confronted with the most the kindest,

most courteous and welcoming people i've ever met. and, and, and i realize that the numerous number of things that i believed about the well was completely untrue. and it was, it was quite liberating. actually, i might had this, this propaganda runs very deep. i have friends in the u. k who are scheduled to visit me here. uh, i had 2 friends of friends of mine visited me recently when they told people they were visiting. so it'd be the morning's not to go head they would, they would, they would told they would they, they would, they were extremely nervous about coming and they themselves had a lot of that pre existing deceptions. chat with challenged. so yeah, and i said, i think i, i think that what was interesting as well was when i got stopped in, um uh, uh, uh the case that was an enormous amount of cmc um for,

for me. but it will say there was a large number of, of main stream brushes, pundits who, what did the national union and the journalist i, right, well, they issued a statement in my defense and then promptly deleted this off to post fight. yes. off the intensive public pressure, that's a do so, and it's like that the, the site there were a large number of main stream kind of narrative managers who was what justifying what happens me. what denying this, i was a john less than suggesting that i was something something else, something raw the dock up. and the effectively yes, painting me is as a, as a likely crew, like criminal and traits up to my country and the reaction. and so it'd be, it was like pretty much universal outraged and the depressed associations here. well, it will absolutely furious political, a policies what issued statements in solidarity with me. what's global

britain, what i mean from, from reading declassified files, from reading things that people drop off to the greens and the brazen. sorry. what's what it, what it, what is it that it's not on the surface? yeah, sure. so i mean, global breton formally is on assets to that promotes and that, that you to know each know, make conflict correlations with brett's and across the region. level. se, assisting the, the, the components of the former yugoslavia into a e. u nathan membership. the u. k. obviously having itself left the he rather rather contradict totally but um yes, beneath the surface it's very, very clear from the lead files that we've received at the grace and it's true purpose is considerably more sinister. and this is about feeling government's

security service is made. it treats with hon. picked hungry and british assets. it's about opening up. uh, it's a each nomic markets, the british penetration and domination. and um, uh, yeah, if the politicians stand in the way of breath and then they also neutralize and breast and has a number of mechanisms to doing this. one of the key methods is by quite some, quite promoting independent media line. we're about to publish a story on bulk and insights and that well known c i a propaganda ref thoughtful where there was the, the lack of self awareness and lee in the lead documents is, is quite remarkable. it talks about how there is a need for breton to counter that question. quite states capture of the media in the balkans. apparently it's ok for it to be captured by britain, but not by how national governments and so on. and the explicit purpose is to

question quite hold individuals and organizations and governments. the person con, britson doesn't like to cantos. com. yes, i wish occurrence is still right until the election ahead of the form from the fast misfiring family. yes. yeah. as you imply that she was trying to mount, i've forgotten the exact phrase because it's i meant was, well, yeah, for mentor to, to, to, to get britain to actually do something here at that would be quite valuable. and now is she is she for real? i mean, can you explain the phenomena of alicia? kinds of yes. what am i saying? preventive. she went through is her name worth remembering? is she going to disappear in this election and services lose power?

or is she going to to say interested? what's your sense of her interested in the reach? it's important to understand that the, the british, the more the folks who are in ukraine is a product to purchase intelligence and something that they actively wanted and were pushing for. there was an organization called the institute, the state crossed, which 10 years ago published an essay on its website, stating we need to get to the magic, the isolate russia. we need to demonize russia in an add, uh the in western countries. and this, this will create the foundations of will, of the old fashion sort which the west and britain will win. okay. so russia was drawn into intervening in ukraine due to the, the, the attacks on its russian speaking population, which was, uh, and, uh, yeah, uh the, uh, the full friends of this was at the same people who,

10 years ago advocating for will with russia and the to say the least, it's not going very well from the west perspective. britson has tried to escalate this as much as possible. they were behind the plotting from the blowing up catch bridge and that they have desperately sought to counter us reluctance for this to become what i will. which. and i think that the, the recent green light thing of the strikes on russia by western countries as a result of bridges, pressure and wellbeing, and help to repeat this 1st piece, negotiation. yeah. and they sabotaged the peace negotiations. in april 2022. the, the it and so, and i think that because it's coming, so by the end because of the risk of the us stepping back from this because for all of it's for breast and, and delusion of the us imperial brain for us understands that this is an unwinnable

cause my and actually it's not was bankrupting themselves and the minutes rising themselves by providing what is their equipment and i munition to ukraine because russia is not going to back down. so in that context, britson is, is desperate because it's a relevance, internationally is entirely contingent on the entirely contingent on the us unsafe . and it's is very, very, there were elements within precious intelligence. what desperate to open a 2nd front in the proxy bull and the bulk and that's within the bulk. yes. and the balkans would be was not really well. what about is it but the um this, this would be an app. so the, the ideal 5th to draw the us end to now you folks bear in mind the british ship and staring out trouble in both of you. and in response to the end result. you don't see the tension that this is, this is course president has sent tens of thousands of sort of question quite peacekeepers into posting yet due to the alleged stress of russian regression. yet

this is brittany who has invited the country in cost of i dealt with scores of british, again, quite some quite peacekeepers. dotted around dotted around the province. we are one stripe trigger, pull away from pull it out. well. now if you want to expand the proxy warranty the us and what might you do not seem to be very much what alicia kinds was doing for is important to bear in mind that the intelligence services are effectively low and government onto themselves. and they frequently act in ways that are concrete to, uh, the, the, the form of the table structure. so for instance, in, during the 19 ninety's during the, was in, in the for me, you can solve yet. the britain was adamantly opposed to intervention. to the extent that they were back to conflict with the uh, the clinton white house. and meanwhile, m, i 6 was closing on the se, ask,

it seems because you absolutely have a conversion. yeah. and, and encourage you to, on the, i mean, throughout the 1991, george bush senior was desperately trying to keep the site. you need to complete and stuff. it breaks up i, i'm an assist. it's a re imagining is the commonwealth of independent states and slootsky. i have to give a speech about how, you know, ukraine and rush are. uh, uh, you know, as one the one nation and people. and meanwhile, the c i, a in any d was, was they were doing everything in their power to break up the soviet union. they feed the, the, the deep states frequently at a country to the wishes and wells, all of the states. how are we to distinguish between i don't like in, in the united states, you can pretty much see that it's a new times get some of this secret information and publish it.

and if the news is the white house, and there's a start screaming bloody murder and starting an investigation into who was the who licks the information, then you can pretty much figure out the white house wanted yes, the information to end up in the new york times right, but what do we do in the, in the u. k? well, i mean, i mean it's, it's remarkable at how rally the, the, the, the agencies lead. and then the, when, when they do, once in a blue moon, it's similarly targeted. and it's again, it's a way of them shaping what isn't, isn't in the public. i made them the, i mean, for instance, has been rather forgotten now. but like, i believe it was last year. the times newspaper published based on leaks, records of how and my 6 is running an isis, an asset to ended up killing members of design from him was quite failing and on

the hinged individual. but they kept running him and giving him money and direction . and that was no doubt leaks to get rid of who has allowed this to happen for, you know, internal reasons. maybe some of them is off of the job. you know, it's a, i think we should always, when things get get published a the appear to be based on inside the source is or an or an insider information which it, we have to understand. well they won't this in the public domain. and the reason isn't the actual thrust of the article. so to give you an example, new york times recently published a revealed in an exclusive exercise that a how british and american intelligence officials were active in intel. vive, assisting these railways in hostage rescue and tracking down how mass because that doing this, the goodness of the hearts, of course, because they want the more to stop and they won't be telling to stop. so that's why

they are conflicts it directly in the cause of genocide is because they want less people to die. and the, the, i might small is, is the reason that this was published is it's about normalizing direct, british and american involvement on, in, in the world. particularly as israel gives up for conflict with hezbollah or 11 on which is the rule that they cannot win. and they've already lost in effect. and so that obviously going to need british and american soldiers on the ground. and this is, this is laying the foundations for that. i find that it's dangerous and somehow very bad to amplify correct information. you can get slapped with the different punishment if you have amplified something and even, and the, and it's, it's like another way of saying don't you the air quotes this? yeah. and it's, but now they don't say don't you? they're closed as they say, don't you? there and i'm fine. yeah, but it's, i mean,

a quote quite remarkable. and i published from like, from my website, my website, which is takes arm that comes imaginatively. um, the, i published an investigation to have a c i n and my states practice isis. and this was based on publicly available information, declassified documents, etc. and almost immediately, i mean, just close the base of the sensation when i, when i, when i dropped it, and almost immediately people started reporting to me that they've been banned from facebook for sharing it. because it was produced by 8 quotes and quite dangerous individual. this is a designation that facebook usually applies to people who have been involved in my shootings and all the, the eric incidents like that. but they apply that to me for the crime, investigative journalism, a friend of mine who runs a very popular independence, the new site council, the state media, and he shed it on his page, which had, i think it was 4050000 likes. he was

a band and he was forced to remove the content, and he was told that facebook would now what from that one would forever algorithmically di, boost him to prevent anyone seeing his post of organically. so that for just destroying his page out. right. so yeah, i mean, that's quite frank, but i was going to go on to the 2nd source of, of all of the as optimism is the repressive power structures reach that most repressive when i'm on the verge of collapse. and it's like when, when you call and control people with brain washing and propaganda unemployed like social control, then you reach for the friendship. but this is almost invariably when they are on the verge of the types of collapse and media. i mean in the u. k. the you, you, you calling for people any more, they realize that living in a sick collapsing society, 90 percent of people are dissatisfied in what 12 percent of people believe that

mainstream political part, these represent public's views. and these are statistics which points to a looming resolution the what is part of the employee would posted isn't the defense you of us and bidding the word part? is it something deeper, more complex might be present? good. let's stop without cases. let's go part of the of the

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