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that means you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate it. okay, let's kick this off with george in budapest. um, the unspeakable apparently was done last week, but around the prime minister of you, of hungry we went and made a visit to co. uh, gave his thoughts on what's going on. a new kraber ukraine with the, i don't know the interim or x or whatever the title mr. zalinski has now. and then he went and visited moscow and that the european union are many voices almost identical, voices short circuited. you're not supposed to do that. you will have no right to do that. well, you hungry is the president of the rotating presidency. but from what i can tell it to urban went there as the prime minister of hungry and wait in. and did he in a big way, george, your thoughts on the whole fiasco, at least from the western perspective. what do you think you're actually on the right the that it is quite extraordinary that we were living in this time when an

aspiration for peas. and this will be in the consistency name of or binds from the beginning from february 2022, which is this is a will that makes no sense and it needs to be brought to a land as swiftly as possible. so this the tend to act maybe as a mediator, maybe to facilitate some kinds of negotiation, some sort of a piece compress the this should arouse futile rate. that's the, basically this rate. i mean, it's all just simply saying, well, it isn't, you know, this, but with the time it isn't quite right or whatever. it will be just in range then them the so much. so that's from the german foreign minister on the bad luck was scheduled to visit hunger a on monday as her visit has been cancelled hungry. a said we don't want you here. we all know major loss. so maybe like a when we don't want to listen to

a harangue from do because she made clear that if she was going to be rate hungry is leave those. and, and so now where we're coming in next week to this, a big need, those 70 parents, the birthday party. and what's going to be said there is me, are the usual belligerent. so we have to stick with ukraine. have to do more for your brain. ukraine will be a member of nato, the same claptrap that is going to nato and the, and, and the well nowhere but that, that's the program. so in any time somebody who does that, you're trying to do something, they favor that because i'm not or let's just do everything that we've been doing before because it's been so successful. yeah, well i mean more than in the counter veiling trends that are going on here, we have this ridiculous bar city in switzerland, the ukraine peace conference or whatever it was called a complete fiasco. we then we have other button going at the very least, the top to both leaders. so, i mean there's, there's

a channel of communication even if that is up for, into and george is absolutely right. you know, with the upcoming nato concept 75th birthday and you know, things that are 75 years old, usually retired by then, but not nato, not joe biden. and they're going to tell you crazy. can join the alliance. so i mean one person, one adult in the rooms stood up and said, how do we make sense and listen, how can we move forward that gets them in a lot of trouble. martin? yeah. how do you make sense of it? um through dialogue and that's the very thing the you claims that it likes to support the agrees to and very much encourages on the one condition that the dialogue is framed within the same narrative as its own ideas and ideas. you know, olden has broken ranks. i mean, normally these 6 months presidencies in brussels, you know, they are on to promote exercise really. i mean, the country that has the presidency says with main meetings where there is finance with this agricultural, what about and the ministers are shipped. uh,

and they usually take advantage of about 6 months period to do some horse trading to sign a spotlight on some of drunk drunk directives which are being amended where which should be a meant to turn gina to the needs and requirements. nothing like this is there a home before or been as really broken or rang, sees from the rule book um you know, of the window and now is behaving really like a leader of a silver and country and put in his own country 1st. and to take this initiative, which he said he's just told general is i think that no other country is in this position. you know, i'm probably the only one there. the hunger is in the country can do this. but to take an initiative to try and at least at least get a cease fire, agreed and then see if we can move from this these 5 to tools. you know that it should be encouraged just a sensible thing to do, but them, nobody in the, in the war machines, you know, the corrupt western lee is once this. and i,

i am assuming that he's going to take advantage of the 6 month presidency and do this on a weekly basis. i have a feeling he's gonna really hijack the entire you at least machine and for his own purposes. and we'll see where that goes. i mean the night to birthday party one way we want to cool it is already looking like a fiasco. yeah. because we have a question mark. so you have a with a button is going to make it to the, to the it to design presidency. and now we've got a new labor government in the u. k to which, which is, or the hopping on about not respecting the previous agreement of 2.5 percent g d, p for defense spending. that's going to be a real fly in the ointment full for nato leaders. what are they going to celebrate? so, you know, you know, but charge, i mean, again i, i, it's very few places. this is one place that we talked about. peace, how do we get to piece that that, that discourse is non existent. ok, and, and, and again, we had a president vladimir putin. he presented

a starting point for negotiations. it wasn't the end point is we can start from business position, we don't go, we need to go through all the points right now. well i, i'm just completely bewildered why nato slash edu slash by the administration and say, okay, we can, well, we'll pony up. this is where we want to start going. okay. they won't even do that . they just go back to this r k, a 10 point plan that apparently is zalinski is i'm sure it was written in, in london or washington. um, uh, you know, they, this is this, this defying any kind of attempt to resolve this. i mean, and we're all to that, went through the elections we had with the, in the, within the european union, we just see or talk of mobilization, more economy. these are all craven choices. the hey, you get upset already the because the position of the you and they to the united states, there is an absolute as well. and i mean the position is written down to the pre

1991 borders. but how are they going to achieve this? i mean, that means a will forever. i mean, either it is just a total forever and that's where all of the tools from my phone and all those of and the germans and the british to attend to that. and it's of conscription and, and so sending more remove weapon rate the ukraine, although as you're planning to for this, for the next decade or so. and it's quite remarkable how when it comes to these really looking gaza, but with a sincerely or no they will talk about c spy. what we need to see is what we have that was seized by a we obviously slightly over a few many certain reasons. they haven't achieved that it and you can go to the me wonder whether they've been this sincere about it, but at least they say we need, we need to cease fire. we need some, you know, a negotiate that outcome to save the solution, whatever. yeah, it's just an absolute display, which is regular. we need, you need to keep this war going no matter how destructive of this is. and so,

you know, it's just some vague and you know, aspiration that the stolen book declared has a news conferences just to show, well, nato is a p 0. well, the more we weapons we sent, are you great in the fall? so we get to the piece of storks if you don't totally know empirical bases whatsoever. and then once you're safe or bottom is also a wendy, an op ed in news. we in which he has said, nato is a will machine though they said, well, we joined it because we thought it was a piece of drug defense and so on. but it is now a goal making machine. we get them. we have, we have numbers, other will making machine and that, and that is exactly of the night when and at this birthday party. that's what a major is going to be celebrating. that's, you know, we're, we're going to keep as will going in, but to a day the respect of us that you need to be don't, you're right, judge your main thing, you know, with the latest reason why you create and won't be given. membership is, it's,

the country is to corrupt, is if they suddenly realize that, okay, i mean, way, before all of this the, the, the levels of corruption were legendary as the buying family. they know a lot about that. okay. so, but, you know, it's the martin, this is like a birthday party celebrating somebody, an intensive care. okay. and there's no lifting that her glasses, you know, you know, we don't have the patients to die, but we're not going to do it. we're not going to do any kind of intervention to save. it is really quite pathetic. and again, why the training and leadership goes along with is the only reason i can make really explain is that they're lining their pockets. and i'm too cynical, martin. i think you're right, it's going to be right. that's the only logical reason, you know, in the last week missing reports. now those incidents whose wives spending, what was it $5000000.00 and they've got to, you know, i mean, these kind of reports that come through, just keep on a firm and unassuming level as money. and a lot of this equipment is going missing. and honestly,

what's the latest now or even denying this anymore? you know, i think they've basically, except to this is, this is, but for the course, you know, you have to accept the good part of this, this, this, this bounty is gonna end up in the pockets of the, of the, of the compile of, of those. let's use people on himself. so i think uh, you know, in that respect, nothing changes. but you know, the idea is the ukraine company, a gr, onto that drums and membership of late. so, because it's too corrupt is it reminds me of that scene in casablanca, you know, where the police chief is closing down the hotel. and as it, as his own, is chaos, is going on behind him. you know, he says to rick is disgraceful. you know, tumbling going on, you know, and then somebody comes up to him and gives them a lot of cash is bone, you know, and it's still the same as saying, isn't it? you know, you go to corrupt, to join nato by the way, here's another $100000000000.00 to carry on. you know, it is a lot of confused mixed messages. and really, as i said earlier to you a few, a couple of months ago, you know, when we talked about them, they said,

but they brought to, you know, a lot of a lot of b. s. and lot of fake news now is going to be presented to in trout, this entire subset. but you know, where do we go? where does this will this leading it? oh, i think i'm, i'm george. i'm looking forward to biden's. um, um, um speech at the, at the account. com fab. go ahead george. but 40 seconds we probably go to the right. well, yes. done. but interesting the, the, this, this issue that, well, we can't um bring the ukraine in. uh, just at this moment. because then he raises an expression, well, when, if you count, then why did you just bring this war to an end? i mean, if you call and if you ask, what is it saying? would you call and realize your condition? heard all the talk about you know, the road too late, the membership is oakland, then bring it to an end. what is the point of continuing along with it? well, i, i just know now what, what we part of ukraine will eventually get into, admit a to, because of it's just, it's dissolving in front of our eyes and they're watching it. and obviously the

boss of, of, of soldiers is there with a gentleman. i'm going to jump into here and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion of some real new stay with our team, the little. yeah. yeah. which aspect of the side of the way and i but i've so can you go in the core of my board for saturday? i'm gonna try to get the for the, the, the, the in the variable without any able to spell. it was a big oh,

the way to stay and what awesome what. what's the zip code the i mean it's in that system. i go out and order the bill that is supposed to lay. uh so avoid. yeah. yes sir. can you hear contributed by the way? no, i'm not going to sit component the pro admitted. that's typically what is the 10th of where you live. show trump, when it goes by, what somebody customer boy of yep. up ending as of today to initial another and significant amount the share. well, when i tried the,

the welcome message across the boulevard and sign peter little here. we just have somebody on this or let's change gears a more. we had a, an election in the u. k, it was widely expected that labor would do very well. it did very well, but i did the scratch just a little bit into the numbers here. it's not the kind evict free, but um,

obviously labor is claiming, and of course, the other center of a sudden you're of and the united sega, this is the way it's gotta be done. okay. but if you go to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th layers of the numbers, it's not the victory that it appears to be. pardon? it's no and that's because we have this outdated to code in and frankly, a weird voting system in the u. k which we cool for us post opposed. and this particular system allows labor to win by quite a huge majority, but actually only took 34 percent of the entire vote. so um, you know, it, it, it's, it's outdated, it hasn't worked very long time, but it creates these cooks. so in this particular time i come and get a kiss, thomas. so i got to actually list those in jeremy colburn in 2017, which is good, quite remarkable. and we were hoping that it would open the floodgates for number of smaller policies. um, i think the live dentist did incredibly well,

but in terms of french bought to as you know, so it's bought, he's got 5 a seats this very, very low number of seats, but it's a critical amount of votes, a shed, some light, 14 percent, which the new kinds of government is basically forced to work with him now. so you know, the timeline now really is to look 5 years ahead. unexpected coalition between so just bucks and the conservative a new conservative bobsy. in the meantime. really, we can't really expect so much change you've, you know, you've got that. the policies between these 2 policies were really not that different. when we looked at a bigger scale, international stories, you know, foreign policy, in many ways a cigarette paper between the 2 of them. you know, perhaps some i might be forced into reducing defense spending. i'm putting back on ukraine simply because it's going to over spend on just about everything else and that's what labor comes. do they get into power in the 1st 100 days? they just spend and spend to spend them, you know, like, lunatics for that. and yeah, but i mean, one of the things i mean from

a far here george to mean what is so conservative about the tories these days and what it is. so i'm left about labor in the u. k. i mean it's, i don't see the ideological okay. you can have, you know, um, um, the woke element and, and all of that with the labor and all of that. but they, me, but even then we have the tories, the, we have, you know, boy scouts and kind of channeling his inner femininity. i don't remember the exact phrase, but i mean, something like that. and the unified completely on foreign policy. what is the difference? i mean, this is what i think voters are very discuss it with because like i discuss it with the personalities of the, of the, of the conservative party. and they really, we mean, was almost like a, you know, high school cafeteria and, and i don't, you know, when the, when labor's coming in, you know, with their agenda and all that, i don't see it a whole lot of different or no, and there really isn't any to really it's under different sit there and there isn't

any difference. and, and that's why i think labor is going to run into a lot of trouble very quickly. because as monday and pointed out, the numbers suggest that there was no in susie as i'm whatsoever for labor. i mean you can look it's not just the labor one, few of loads, then they want me a 2019 that that 2019 election with lead to the uh the else the of um, jeremy pool then um and um and then so this is because this lack of popularity and healing in own kitsbone was own constituency. 2019. and yeah, the majority of 28000. that's gone down to 7000 subjects. 128th of the 7000 majority of these. imagine a triumphant lead to marching his troops into 10000 states and he gets this mass to a vote against them. he and his own constituents, if so what's really happened is that, that uh, you know, the sofa and right and,

well, the bar is johnson putting on this fake populace conservatism in 2019 he broke through you know, more or less of a traditional labor areas. some of these are all, this is a new kind of populace conservatism in terms of because boston and all the way, but in those constituencies, reform is now the 2nd to late. but so that's something where we all ready for ours is clever and skillful. that's where he should the focus of the is the be very important here because the vote and most of the voters who voted for breakfast. i'm no good to me. happy with leave was blind to out cozy up and make nice with the bab of and you know, to push all the the agenda and that 0 basically getting, you know, thinking of a liberal stance on, on a big grey sense. then i'm going to go for it for a birthday, then they go to turn and that's what reform should come man. so that's what that's about a $105.00 constituents is that's a, that's

a $105.00 that the reform should win. and so next time around this one would be a very significant up. that's the most important number out of the entire election is the number of times the reform party came in 2nd. martin, who is the new prime minister of the u. k. um, so what, when i hear his name, i think of how he was part of the disgraceful campaign against julian assad. um and, and how he had stabbed the jeremy corman in the back. and now he's just a deep stave. operative okay. do you? oh, and he's like human rights advocate, you know, really, really well are actually actually, he's the, he's the left is the center less new version of forest johnson. and he is a prolific lyle. he actually goes back on almost everything to the says just as well as johnson does, did. so i think we're going to have to get used to that. but the 1st on today's and office, and he was gonna be

a massive anticlimax and in breast. and you said who is, who is this guy? you know, he is many things so many people, but what worries me is his proximity. it's there as well. you know, he's really a puppet of design, is regime and we're gonna see a lot of people proceed on his route. we're going to the, they've already wheeled out. david, allow me possibly the most stupid mind in british politics for a long time, who is in the day and stuff. and that's said somebody who is pre post on i'm why is it been wheeled out? because i think that's going to be a must be the delusion illusion. here we're going to pretend to be gunning for a series for an, an, a 2 state solution. but in reality it can be 2. and just as bind did is supporting design is even more to carry on with the to, to work in the, and the genocide. so it's going to be a false. it's going to be a lot of fake news and people are going to be, i'm going to the believing that this is new. tell me which cares about. the other thing is when it doesn't a tool, but i think that the economy is not going to be boosted simply by a good will of fact, you know, a good,

a good feeling and button that we've got change coming into people in person won't change, but they didn't really know what kind of change they wanted. and so you had a protest vote. a big participate was people not voting. a tool lot of people stayed at home, another protest, but it was the low tories to vote labor just to send a message to their employees that you've got 5 years to shape up, you know? but i mean, how long can stomach and keep the sign on this, you know, i imagine not much longer than the 1st year in office when the policies start failing and labor results to it's tried and tested method in short term stay in office politics, which is the high taxes, and that's what we're going to see in the okay. you know, we're gonna, we're going to be overtime. so going to be like an e u member stay like from so geometry. right. and i taxes. and this will put more pressure for change to come about. it won't bring in basically raising taxes just just destroys business. you know, if people have got less money to spend an ice feed that to, to, to us, for an investors. you know, basically our economy is,

is heading towards the best george, i mean, again, we, the, we don't really see it that the policy alternatives are getting more and more narrow. they've even tory governments player with no way of, uh, there's breaks it, you know, that ways bell basically because of, uh, mostly because of immigration. but since breaks immigration is just an increase. but i mean, you know, it doesn't matter who you're getting quoting power, you get the same government that you do. and that's why the tories were rejected. so resoundingly, and, and of course labor has no plan for immigration. i mean, to me, to research that sort of the biggest issue in the u. k. off are obviously the economy and we've done. it's just terrible because you know, the conditions are really, you know, uh, the prices of grosses and everything else. but this is a huge issue and then leave, it has absolutely no idea what,

what they're going to do about it. and so that's why they're going to run into the, you know, most problems immediately and then money comes to ukraine. let me look at how many times, just in the 1st 24 hours of the victory of style, and then baby allow me to bring up ukraine. why, why they took my degree and it's just been a general, lex. and you are, you were saying, you know, you want to be the spelling of what are the top type things we're going to be doing for the critics, people. and it said that talking about the rent. i agree with when my husband david allow me, is a very, very stupid man and he is going to be the front man. i mean that, that's, that's what i think a james cleverly because his breed assess osbourne. secretary, it's like you basically put them full with they don't, they don't people have any power that they're centered to show. well, we're really committed, you know, to diversity. you know, we, we want to have such a wide range of people in the district. so her wonderful british life is and anybody can make it to the top. but basically, the style now, given his wife, given his, his own background, is going to be a very, very pro zion, as

a prime minister. and, and they go to pursue this. you create policy which is very, i'm kind of pillar and it is going to be immediate. i'm going to be the 1st by election. it under this kind of government is going to be a huge rejection of style. and so he really doesn't have any real agend. i mean, you can't even to move a lot to nothing like tony blair in 197 or anything like that. there's no mandate there. and so it's just a rejection um, of the toner as well. i mean, martin, one of the, one of the thing good things that came out of the electra, the entire, almost the entire front bench of the tories are gone up. the young people i've known for years, you know, um i don't know how to contact them and say, sorry, you know that just sitting in front of the tv's now watching um dates on television, wondering what to do with their lives, but powerful big people. people who really to make decisions and, and what game changes, you know, they, it's been,

i think the public enough to reinvent. and so i think, but i think, i think to pick up george's point about reform reform is certainly a punches a could grow very quickly. in the next 5 years and could be something huge and, and in the next, in the next election and the, it's inevitable when these policies start to fail and say a lot of foster pace that for right votes increased dramatically. and uh, as george says, storm has got no policy, a tool for immigration, thousands of people of crossing the channel from, from seeing these boats. well, i mean, george from the a, the martin from the outside looking in the only thing i keep hearing about is ukraine. but that's it, as well. i think i've jumped on the media. so trick of you know, deflecting john was away from the game. it may be because they're packing their bags to go to the nato summit. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have one a think, my guess and i'm budapest and america. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. all righty. so you next time, remember, cross up rules,

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