as political class, the elite that has been split between wanting to drone bomb or carry out dry out this persecution of his arms and, and the fear that actually bringing him here would ignite even more of a pro free speech and pro sondra movement in the united states, i know that people like yourself and high profile journalists all across the world have acted as a boys for assigned and an advocate for him during this time. but from the perspective of the us citizen, what i witnessed over the last years as he languished and bell mars what were, was, was the emergence of the movement of just average us people all across, mainly in new york and washington who would to make their presence known as powerful institutions, such as the biden justice department, or the trump justice department for that matter. camping outside of the d o j, i think it was 2 or 3 years ago. they actually had

a birthday party for julian outside and said that we're here cutting cake and it has the honor to tell them us justice department that we have a constitution here. we have a 1st amendment rights to free speech, and i know people also in new york who every thursday uh, a bernadette and chuck these activists would actually go to the new york times office and pass out flyers about as long as his case put pressure on on, on the journal is that actually depend on his constitution in this right to free speech to do their own work and to make the case that the continued persecution of designs would be damaging to them as well. and i, i do believe that if his lunch came here, it would not only invigorate that group which would have a presence outside of the prison in his court room and ultimately gain media attention. i do believe that if the actual step of taking him bringing him here to the united states had, had occurred, that it would force,

even mainstream pundits and mainstream newspapers to begin a discussion about free speech. and our rights are constitutional rights in this country. but frankly, i don't think the political establishment were prepared for. they would much rather i think, prolonged his imprisonment in bel large for as, as long as they could. and, and let that be the punishment because they might have to deal with their own public. if that trial were to have actually gone through. yeah. you mentioned drone ad boom. of course. uh they did get close though to killing the julian as lounge the ca, the u. k. the new york times, arguably that's what niels mailed to the un special were up to, and georgia told a program they were collaborated with cnn. and the guardian in this of course, the you are the greys on and the founder of the razor. max told us it's being targeted. so what does the assange case mean and the deal he made to save his life

mean for you and your sources at the grace of as the precedent that is guilty, plea sets is definitely concerning for any journalist. because what, what truly indeed is something that all journalists do collect information from sources and ask for more. so, it is not something that i expect to though to have a chilling effect in the work that we do. because if anything, and julie is example has only served to make all of us stronger. he's, he's such an inspiration for me personally. that's why i put that at the graph in the book that quote, from his, if wars can be started by lies, peace can be started by truth. and i think that that is the the mentality and at that all journalists should have. and that that's the symbol that he's come to represent through his persecution and that journalist like myself or max erin kit,

wyatt others at the gray zone and all throughout the united states. look to julian and look to wiki leaks as an example, looked at with the leaks as a source. something that i just want to emphasize is that many of the report it, much of the reporting and my book dependent on wiki, weeks, filed for example b, n. g o unit b, the global network run by o 4 and the national endowment for democracy. these groups that kind of create seemingly grass roots, organizations that are actually products for the us state department and, and redeem change act as redeem change outfits worldwide. we know about the inner workings of those groups because of what you weeks because of the state department cables because of the strat for leaks that describe these activists, including those and venezuela that are dealt with in my book and basically running around the world and over throwing governments that the us doesn't like, and those are direct quotes that we, we may have known that to be true just from

a report a and, and what we suspected to be true about these groups. but we have quotes and hard evidence of so much because of what we do weeks provided us years ago. it's really a true and a gift that keeps on giving. we're going to do with that here in the book. you compare julian's assassination be attempted assassinations on union as, as to the case of alex sub. just tell us who alex is. i understand. in the past few weeks, he's being pointed to the door of in his way president debit or as a investment um ministry. yes. alex top is a venezuelan diplomat who's colombian, born but early on in the 2 of these, the revolution while the rest of columbia is business sector was boycotting venezuela. essentially he saw an opportunity and became very close to the government and ultimately ended up winning major contracts to build public housing

in venezuela. and then also to provide supplies for the flat food program. this is a program that i witnessed firsthand and venezuela and it's really something that's credited with having curb to the effects of us sanctions at the height of us sanctions. or the facts of the obama administration's national security declaration saying that venezuela was a national security threat. sorry to interrupt obama tried to stop the population of venezuela millions, tens of millions of people after i get killed. because that act, that decision immediately cut the venezuelan private sector and stayed off from international credit lines and made it very difficult for international shipping companies to go to then as we left. so there were incredible shortages. people were starving at that time. and so the government actually initiated a program to deliver subsidized food and housing supplies to millions of families across the country and attacked alex of this business man with when a, with,

with traveling around the world to turkey and elsewhere, to supply products for these, for these boxes i've seen, for example, turkish pasta and oil cooking oil arrive and these boxes of the homes have been as well as when i was staying there. and according to an opposition allied economists that i cite in the book, this program really prevented mass fannan and starvation and venezuela. it was a direct and intervention in the economy that the material government made in order to basically mitigate the effects of thinking in this hi, randy, economic war. and so the united states was not very happy with alex up in this program. they, they at elliot abrams, the trunk venezuela envoy would basically criticize it as an oil for food program or a bribery program to get venezuelans to,

to vote for the matter of government and lead abrams of war criminal in el salvador foothill del mazar, damascus. yes, indeed. who and, and main character in the iran contra affair, who for some reason ended up running both venezuela and iran policy for trump. not the best candidate for that job, but i guess it also revealed the criminal nature of the us, deep state through his, through his presence and administration. but so as part of their war on the venezuelan people and effort to star them, the us government eventually cooked up a case, an indictment against alex sob just as they did with julia sonjee. remember, his indictment was kept secret until he was actually in custody. where he could be transferred to the united states and that's what happened with alex saw he was on a triple one day to iran and stopped to fuel his plane in k birthday on the african coast, the west african coast. and,

and of all because the us and my palm, peo, trump, secretary of state writes about this in his memoir, had gotten an idea of word that that so i was going to be landing there. they immediately pressure the government in prya in the capital a k barrett a to arrest alex saba. even though there was no indictment that he was aware of. there was not even an inter pull warrant, in fact the african, the echo was for the port of the region of the west after ultimately determined that the interpol red notice that was used in order to justify his arrest was actually issued after his detention. so the reason that this case compares to julian's is because not only is this an example of the united states keeping an indictment secret and then the counseling on a subject once they saw the opportunity. but more so, more importantly, it shows that the us security state views, it's dressed,

it's diction applying to the entire planet. you know, there's actually not even in that there was not an existing extradition treaty between the united states and k birthday, but through pressure including outright bribery such as a signing, multi $1000000.00 investment in economic investment packages with the government and keep bare and, and also investing millions of dollars and a revamp of the u. s. embassy in the capital there, the government ultimately agreed to extradite a sob to the united states. and he did spend a little over a year about a year and a half in miami present, sell awaiting trial. but once they got him here, most of the money laundering charges that they, that they had initially set against him were thrown out in the case ultimately fell apart and and, and sob was treated and a prisoner swap. and now he's back in venezuela and guess wasted no time getting

back to work. but it was a lesson because not only should the international law in the sense that the us jurisdiction doesn't apply to keep there. they can just go in there and arrest somebody where us authorities don't technically have, has a jurisdiction. but it shows that even diplomatic immunity went out the door when it comes that when it, when it serves united states because alex thought was a diplomat. so even if he was guilty of the crimes that they alleged, they had no authority, no right to go after him in the way they did just as they had no right. to go after julius, on your paper bill, i'll stop you there will from the grades on journalist and or through the corporate group and his way there in the end of us empire. after the spring, the

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it something deeper, more complex might be present let's stop without collision. let's go out of the welcome back to going under, right. i'm still here with the grades on your pattern below is are of corporate to venezuela and the end of you as input and your input one you are telling me about trump officials, some of them uh, accused of, uh, ating genocide in the previous incarnations and previous administrations of all of a stone roger waters they induced your book, tucker carlson, endorsed your book. you talk about how you were on his fox news show. and donald trump watched that episode of tucker costs. and will you explain what was really going on with the secret state deep states actions under the trump administration against venezuela? do you think the trump, too, if he's elected in the november,

will understand that he was being used to destroy venezuela for, for other reasons. i think that trump's instincts on on venezuelan, the bureau are actually correct based on what i read in the memoirs of trump, administrating officials, particularly john bolton writes about how trump on multiple occasions would ask to meet with president montero and resolve the problem. the crisis would venezuela directly and that he was actually skeptical about one why to didn't want to issue the initial recognition of white o as president under his name, but was ultimately convinced to do so by mike pence, who held a phone call with gladto the night before and was apparently taken by him and at bolton for whatever reason was present for that phone call and really driving this coup policy. but bolden complains that trunk kind of just wanted to settle this and he kind of saw monroe eventually saw missouri was acting as

a tough cookie. those were the words that the washington post, i believe put out there around the same time that tucker had that conversation. with me that i also write about in the book during which trumpet to a he explained that trump told him that he understood that vote was crazy on, on ben his with feeling that if you listen to him on everything he would be in world war as $12.00, and $3.00. the issue is that like when it comes to israel, for example, in the united states policy isn't necessarily that according to the interest of americans or, or this country, but a small, special interest group, a lobby and the cuba venezuela exile lobby. which is very prevalent, profound in florida is extremely, is extremely powerful because florida is a state that any us president and have to wait. and it's one of the major

battleground states and, and the population. they're made up of people that have fled the revolutions in cuba. and venezuela over the years and other other progressive governments across the region. they've settled in florida and they've created a base of influence where and this is their number one issue. they want to use essentially the u. s. government as muscle in order to regain power back in their own countries because they're the lead that were replaced by these revolutions. and that group is very powerful in the republican party and on the democratic side as well in florida. and so i can't maintain a lot of confidence that that or the president's regardless of any, not even joe biden has been willing to reverse this to decision and reverse the recognition of good. why know, even while engaging in direct talks with the venezuelan government because it is just a hot political issue, i actually just on hand by doing that. sorry to interrupt joan bolton's actually

being on this show where he said he tried desperately to unsuccessfully to dissuade drum from having that meeting with the door. i'm just going to quickly ask actually as well, aside from your book is uh what do you make of bolivia? because louisa was on this show and i was kind of surprised when present, the president of olivia didn't really respond to my questions about m a 6 and the reuters news agency and british involvement in the trying to destroy democracy. in bolivia, we will carry bolivia with us in our mobile phones, of course, with the lithium. even morales is now fighting with louise also even morales the. the inspiration behind the change in bolivia. is that true bible behind it? that is what i've heard. that is what i have heard from my contacts on in bolivia and people that were very confused by how this to played out. what was it about 2

weeks ago now? it was a very short lived to i had someone tweeted at me that they had ordered a pizza and by the time it came ahead of the oven there, the crew was over. and yeah, it was that that was pretty much out played out. but i also wasn't surprised that it fizzled out so quickly because i was in bolivia in 2020 the end of 2020 in the midst of the last military actually qu, occupation. and there was a coo and 2019 that violently ousted able morales from power after he won re election. and the military junta was installed. that was, oh they, they loved to show their voice in the street the night before. and basically they tried to delay a vote, they initially said or military government with an interim government. but because the libyans across the country are actually armed and threatened to go on strike and push even toward a possible civil war without a vote. even that military point though is forced to hold an election,

and that is how are they won and came back into power. and so what i learned there is, aside from the politics, of course, that there's always been fighting and political parties, people struggling for a power and authority. and i, i see that some that is underway and in math right now, there is obviously tension between the hours they faction and the, the morales faction. but that what you can count on with bolivia is that the people are not going to tolerate a foreign back to or any, or is it shades of ecuador, like crew, promoted a protege like the lending moreno. it turned out to be as a, as a man i spoke to the president of bolivia, you know, we don't know yet basically whether he's an asset or the by new ministration or we don't know. but it's always tough. i suppose when you're dealing with the economist or financial actors in your administration, and that is, of course, with ours they was,

he was the economy minister under morales. and sometimes those people are more connected to international finance or for an interest. then someone coming out of other ministries in the government, but we invited for the presidency to come back on the show in the book. you talk about um, very important music figure actually in my child. and he was a sign to sex pistols with his parents, money, richard branson, that made headlines all around the world version. found that richard branson with his bizarre concept just to just tell me about the influence the attempted influence of richard branson on trying to sponsor well if you read your book, i mean the, the in effect he's, he's um helping to catalyze must of ation and death in venezuela, he yeah, he was the cultural element in this corporate cool. this was in february of 2019, just a month after the trump administration announced its recognition of why though the

shadow government and venezuela and part of the threat that came down afterwards were for awhile. and i was in venezuela at the time, it seemed as actual as if actual war between us and venezuela could break out. because the united states, citing the humanitarian mit the cur. the are a native program as we have a live now. oh, no, live down, but the latest pages are coming in now from the inputs in and in the apartments, and they're under moody. they have, i see mets and finally this of course, is the 1st visit for no random body off. it was recently re elect says, how these all the latest images come into as, as seo screens, we will, of course, be covering all the details here on our end slash a due. stay tuned. this is exciting files for both by the actual size,

but not only india and russia, the whole world is indeed watching, as well as the things that we'll be talking about will be tray. no doubt's, we're sure that perhaps the new crane confidence may come up. there will so expect seeing the russians present by the able to talk a little bit about indian and china ties, but we'll be covering everything here on oxy international. this isn't in this is louis. this is, julia needs to be able to have a lot of ideas, feel very kind of genetic and you know how to get the results for the benefit of india and the indian people use it and the result is evidence the ac me a india is a confident that in the world in terms of the part of the economy size.

and i think that is also at the biggest country in the world in terms of population . but that's not the most important thing. most importantly, $23000000.00 that's every year is of the biggest the biggest indicator in the world. but she is hard of size of these and not just it gets when you do it. so you see things that people are planning families. they have a planning horizon which is quite extensive often they city via supplementing abuse with the bottom hand. it's expanding

in means that people are feeling confidence about sure of disability and that is very important. so why should i congratulate to and once again, if i'm very happy to see you around an hour and a half meg, my breakfast, how sort of a bad problem with the app? nate snake's head for a new monthly c. as each time i'm software. definitely my days. yeah. yeah. a sky comes with that and i really have a lot niggley map of provide to little guy will go my friend and i said i this is how big the moines he. so delivery, help him on to invited me to your home and design such

a program. so thank you too much for the safest, very interesting program and more of your warm words. so i'm really grateful for these the new as i subsea. but i looked on the forgot some of the memo, busy on the 8th and all may be pretty fast. so i've thrown the window or the heart of man that he sat outside the box. is that a guy who said that a guy you might have to end up with the full so my pc lab, they've gotta make out suddenly that science. how may i please have more days why they should be done by they've been saying what to say about flu pallet,

liberty basically you're right. like the elections in india were in parts and occasions made scale and very much indeed is the largest democracy. it is considered to be monitor the democracy and then there's actions assembly on the $650000000.00 people via us, which it was voted. and it was the 1st time and need to, over the last 60 years when the government was re elected for the 3rd time, the 1st and happens with the prime minister java har, large narrative. and now 60 years later, i've got these channels that people have been. deb gave me, they've suffered to unity to serve in their best let them sit down to the high reform by phone and drums

basically done by those for my heart. i mean, these are mandatory d. i a mad jesus. i'm seeing what i got on my mother's case the are a took i'm going to go yeah. pretty much the use of easy co signers and then the people have been down here. we have contact me with his mandate by hiring, working pertaining here it's in the government, and my principal is re for and performed and trends for him. the people voted for these very principles and i am confident, i believe that in my 3rd turn i am going to work 3 times as much somebody you're separately, but i'm on my members a, but i'd be the way. i mean, i'm not saying yes,

you're right, i've got only one goal, the people of india, my country to buy you back with me here in the suit is of oxy insights. and of course that was uh the russian president. and the problem is that know when the mode is told things where i'm just give you some notes. uh they, they base it in the stuff. is that just that from the tots? it was before hand total, the amount to both the countries and both the rooms. a couple of things just to talk about that where um uh, president puts in talked a little bit about how stable india was and what the future had for that country. and of course the relations between the 2 countries interested me. he mentioned india being a family orientated a country where the people a grow, he's told about 23000000 bus. yeah. these are definitely significant numbers. moody had some interesting things to say. he told

a little bit about what his goals were. this is of course, his 3rd time, and he chose russia to visit for the 1st time. he said he wanted to, uh, it says the time is gonna be working 3 times, all that a lot of information will be bring you all the details. so out of the day here on our cheats and i seduced agent right. last signifying the rapidly developing relationships between the 2 nations and is prime is a, is in most guys he just sold that he's meeting with president, puts in for adults all to is covered, as i said, move the aspects of new and emotive visit and all the developments that a much so say to the okay, i love that. yeah. well loading. yeah. let's see. the indian prime is

a set foot on russian. so oh yeah. on monday. hey, as one of more says have for what ends in 5 minutes spend a run. somebody has landed and as you can see behind me, there's his pain. he just stepped on the rest of the office and he's greece and final construct. and by be called a it's a very significant chair because of russia. india have always had good langston them as indian prime minister, and the regular movie is such a hotels with russian president vladimir on the ration and it's very important tonight. so the for the trip ends, employment and stuff, bruce and his friends. so it's a very short, it's the choice between the 2 countries in india and foreign. minnesota also says that the ties between russia on india has always been stable and frenzy. i'm going to type thing down in moscow. the indian problem is a took so social media for a surprise post in russian.