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multiple 1000000000 dollar corporation so that we go bankrupt the hello and welcome to cross night bullhorn sign peter a little here we discussed some real news giving peace a chance. and ukraine why does taking this position in rage, members of the european union, also the u. k. labor party studying victory at the polls, or maybe it wasn't so stunning to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, jordan, send me while we in budapest, he is a pod cast where the guy go, which means on youtube and locals. and in mirror attached we have martin j hughes and award winning journalist and commentator. quite a gentleman cross that goes in effect. that means he can jump any time you want and i would appreciate it. okay, let's take this off with george in budapest. um the unspeakable apparently was done
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last week that you're over on the prime minister of you, of hungry. we went and made a visit to co. uh, gave his thoughts on what's going on. a new kraber ukraine with the, i don't know the interim or ex or what every title mr. zalinski has now. and then he went and visited moscow and that the european union are many voices almost identical, voices short circuited. you're not supposed to do that. you will have no right to do that. well, you hungry is the president of the rotating presidency. but from what i can tell it to urban went there as the prime minister of hungry and wait in. and did he in a big way, george, your thoughts on the whole fiasco, at least from the western perspective. what do you think you're actually on the right the that it is quite extraordinary that we were living in this time when an aspiration for p is and this has been a consistent stream of,
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or bands from the beginning, from february 2022, which is this is a will that makes no sense and it needs to be brought to a land as swiftly as possible. so this but tend to act maybe as a mediator, maybe to facilitate some kinds of negotiation, some sort of a piece compress the this should arouse futile rate. that's basically this rate. i mean, it's all just simply saying, well, it isn't, you know, this, but with the time it isn't quite right or whatever. it will be just in range then them the, so much. so that's from the german foreign minister on the you know, bad luck was scheduled to visit hunger a on monday as her visit has been cancelled hungry. a said we don't want to hit the middle, no major loss. so maybe like a, we don't want to listen to a harangue from do because she made clear that if she was going to be rate hungry
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is leave those and, and so now with it and we were coming in next week to this a big need. those 70 parents, the birthday party. and what's going to be said there is we are the usual belligerent, so you have to stick with ukraine. have to do more for your brain. ukraine will be a member of nato, the same claptrap that is going to nato and the, and, and the world nowhere. but that, that's the program. so in any time somebody who does that, you're trying to do something, they favor that. there's a lot of, let's just do everything that we've been doing before because it's been so successful. yeah, well i mean, more than in the counter veiling trends that are going on here. we have this ridiculous far city in switzerland, the ukraine peace conference, or whatever it was called a complete fiasco. we. then we have other button going at the very least the top to both leaders. so it means that there's a channel of communication. even if that is up for into and george is absolutely
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right. you know, with the upcoming nato concept 75th birthday and even things that are 75 years old, usually retired by then, but not nato, not joe biden. and they're going to tell you crazy. can join the alliance. so i mean one person, one adult in the rooms stood up and said, how do we make sense implicitly, how can we move forward that gets them into a lot of trouble. martin? yeah. how do you make sense of it? um, through dialogue and that's the very thing the you claims that it likes to support that he agrees to and very much encourages on the one condition that the dialogue is framed within the same narrative as his own ideas and ideas. you know, olden is broken. ranks, i mean normally these 6 months presidencies in brussels, you know, they are on to promote exercise really. i mean the country that has the presidency chairs with main meetings where there is finance, where this agricultural one about administer as a ship type. uh. and they usually take advantage of about 6 months period to do
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some horse trading, to sign a spotlight on some of the draw drunk directives which are being amended where which should be a mentor to an gina, to the needs and requirements. nothing like this is there a home before or been as really broken or rang, sees from the rule book um you know, of the window and now is behaving really like a leader of a silver and country and putting his own country 1st. and to take this initiative, which he said is just told general is i think that no other country is in this position. you know, i'm probably the only one there. the youngest in the country can do this. but to take an initiative to try and at least at least get a cease fire, agreed and then see if we can move from this these 5 to tools. you know that it should be encouraged just a sensible thing to do, but them, nobody in the, in, in the wall machine. you know, the corrupt twisting lee is, was this. and um, i have a feeling that he's going to take advantage of the 6 month presidency and do this on a weekly basis. i have leading is going to really hijack the entire ease at least machine
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and for his own purposes. and we'll see where that goes. i mean the night so birthday party, what do we want to cool? it is already looking like a fiasco. yeah. um, because we have question box, we have a with a button is gonna make it to um, to the, to his own presidency. and now we got a new labor government in the u. k, which, which has ordered a hopping on about not respecting the previous equipment of 2.5 percent g d, p for defense spending. that's going to be a real fly. and the only been full for nato leaders. what are they going to celebrate? so, you know, you know, but charge, i mean, again i, i, it's very few places. this is one place that we talk about peace, how do we get to piece that, that, that discourse is non existent. ok, and, and, and again, we had a president vladimir putin. he presented a starting point for negotiations. it wasn't the end point is we can start from
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this position, we don't go, we need to go through all the points right now. well, i'm just completely bewildered. why nato slash edu slash by the administration and say, okay, we can, well, we'll pony up. this is where we want to start going. okay. they won't even do that . they just go back to this r k. a 10 point plan that apparently is zalinski is i'm sure it was written in, in london or washington. um, uh, you know, they, this is this, this defying any kind of attempt to resolve this. i mean, and we're all through the, with, through the elections. we had with the, in the, within the european union, we just hear talk of mobilization, war economy. these are all craven choices. a hey, you get a episode or anything either because um, the position of the you and they to the united states is an absolute as well. and i mean, the position is uh, written down to the pre 1991 borders. but how are they going to achieve this?
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i mean, that means it will forever. i mean, either it is just a total forever. and that was a tool from macro and all those. okay. and the germans and the british with him to that is of conscription and, and so sending more remove weapon rate the ukraine, although as you're planning to for this, for the next decade or so. and it's quite remarkable how when it comes to this really when in gaza, but with a sincerely will know they will talk about c spy. what we need to see is what we have that was seized by a we have a slightly over a few, many tears and reasons that haven't achieved it. and you can go and we were wondering whether they've been this sincere about it, but i believe they say we need, we need to cease fire. we need some, you know, on the go said that outcome to save the solution, whatever. yeah, it's just an absolute display, which is regular with me. you need to keep this war going no matter how destructive the this is. and so, you know, it's just some vague and you know, aspiration that the stolen book declared has
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a news conferences just to show what made there was a p 0. well, the more we weapons we sent are you great in the file? so we get to the piece of storks if you don't totally know empirical bases whatsoever. and then what's your say or bottom is also up with an op ed in news we in which he has said may though he is a war machine, though they said, well, we joined it because we thought it was a piece of drug defense and so on but it is now a goal making machine. we get them, we have, we have the members of a will making machine and that, and that is exactly of the night when and at this birthday party. that's what the major is going to be celebrating. that's, you know, we're going to keep as will going in the, to a day. the respect of us that you need to be don't, you're right, judge the main thing, you know, with the latest reason why you quit and won't be given. membership is, it's, the country is to corrupt as if they suddenly realize that, okay, i mean, way,
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before all of this the, the, the levels of corruption were legendary as the buying family. they know a lot about that. okay. so, but, you know, it's the martin, this is like a birthday party celebrating somebody, an intensive care. okay. and there's no lifting the glasses, you know, you know, we don't have the patients to die, but we're not going to do it. we're not going to do any kind of intervention to save it. it is really quite pathetic. and again, why the training and leadership goes along with is the only reason i can really explain is that they're lining their pockets. and i'm too cynical, martin. i think you're right, it's going to be right. that's the only logical reason, you know, in the last week, missing reports. now those and so as his wives spending, what was it $5000000.00 and they've got to, you know, i mean, these kind of reports that come through just keep on a, for them and unassuming, loveless money. and a lot of this equipment is going missing. and honestly, what's the latest now or even denying this anymore? you know, i think they're basically, except to this is, this is bulk of the course. you know, you have to accept the good part of this,
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this, this, this bounty is gonna end up in the pockets of the, of the, of the cabal of, of us let's, he's people on himself. so i think uh, you know, in that respect, nothing changes but you know, the idea is the ukraine company, gr, onto that drums and membership of late. so, because it's too corrupt is it reminds me of that scene in casablanca, you know, where the police chief is closing down the hotel, and as it, as his own, is chaos, is going on behind him. you know, he says to rick is disgraceful. you know temperament going home, you know, and then somebody comes up to him and gives him a lot of cash is bungie, you know, and it sits on the same saying, isn't it? you know, you go to corrupt, to join nato by the way, here's another $100000000000.00 to carry on. you know, it is a little confused mixed messages. and really, as i said earlier to you a few, a couple of months ago, you know, when we talked about the nature of both the, brought to, you know, a lot of a lot of b. s. and let us take news now is going to be presented to in trout isn't a subset,
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but you know, where do we go? where does this will this leading it? oh, i think i'm, i'm george. i'm looking forward to biden's. um, um, um speech at the, at the con, con fab. go ahead, george. but 40 seconds we probably go to the right. well, yes. done. but interesting. the, uh, this is the issue that, well, we can't um, bring the ukraine in. uh, just at this moment. because then he raises an expression, well, when, if you count, then why don't you just bring this war to an ends? i mean, if you call and if you ask, what is it saying? would you call and realize your condition? who will talk about, you know, the road too late, the membership is oakland, then bring it to an end. what is the point of continuing along with it? well, i, i just know now what, what we part of ukraine will eventually get into that a to, because it's just, it's dissolving in front of our eyes and they're watching it. and obviously the boss of, of, of soldiers is the risk big gentleman, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to
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a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion of some real new stay with our to the what is part of the visit that the employee would post that isn't the deepest you of us and that in the word part, is it something deeper, more complex might be present during that stop without collision is best of product as the early $1880.00 brands decided to subjugate madagascar. however,
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the other center of a sudden you're of, and the united sega, this is the way it's gotta be done, okay. but if you go to the 2nd, 3rd, 4th layers of the numbers, it's not there victory, that it appears to be. apartment is small and it's because we have this outdated, draconian, and frankly, a weird voting system in the u. k, which we call for us post opposed. and this particular system allowed labor to win by quite a huge majority, but actually only took 34 percent of the entire vote. so um, you know, it, it, it's, it's outdated, it hasn't worked right on time, but it creates these cooks. so in this particular time, i come and get a kiss, thomas, sorry, got to actually list those in. jeremy colburn in 2017, which is good. quite remarkable. and we were hoping that it would open the floodgates for number of smaller policies. um, i think the live dentist did incredibly well, but in terms of french parties, you know, fairly, but he's got 5 a seats. this is very, very low number of seats,
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but it's a critical amount of votes, a shed, some light, 14 percent, which the new kinds of government is basically forced to work with him now. so you know the timeline now really is to look 5 years ahead. unexpected coalition between so just bucks and the conservative a new conservative policy in the meantime, really, we can't really expect so much change you've, you know, you've got that the policies between these 2 policies were really not that different. when we looked at a bigger scale, international stories, you know, foreign policy, in many ways, the cigarette paper between the 2 of them. you know, perhaps style might be full just into reducing the defense spending. i'm putting back on ukraine simply because he's going to over spend on just about everything else. i mean, that's what labor comes. do they get into power in the 1st 100 days? they just spend and spend to spend them, you know, like lunatics without and yeah, but i mean, one of the things i mean from a far here george to mean what is so conservative about the tories these days and
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what it is. so i'm left about labor in the u. k. i mean it's the, i don't see the ideological okay. you can have, you know, um, um, the woke element and, and all of that with the labor and all of that. but the, me, but even then we have the tories, you only had, you know, boris job and some kind of channeling is inner femininity. i don't remember the exact phrase, but i mean something like that. and the unified completely on foreign policy. what is this the difference? i mean, this is what i think voters are very disgusted with because they got discuss it with the personalities of the, of the, of the conservative party. and they were, they, we mean was almost like a, you know, high school cafeteria and, and i don't, you know, when the, when labor's coming in, you know, with their agenda and all that, i don't see it a whole lot of different or no, and there really isn't any really, it's under different sit there and there isn't any difference. and,
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and that's why i think labor is going to run into a lot of trouble very quickly. because as monday and pointed out, the numbers suggest that there was no in susie as i'm whatsoever for labor. i mean, you can look, it's not just the labor one fuels though it's then they want me a 2019 that that 2019 election with lead to the uh the else the of um, jeremy pool then. um and um and then so this is because this lack of popularity and he went in and kissed phone was own constituency. 2019. and yeah, the majority of 28000. that's going to have a 7000 subject. 128270000 majority of these imagine a triumphant lead to marching his troops into uh, 10000 states. and he gets this massive a vote against them. he and his other constituents, if so what's really happened is that, that the end of the sofa, right? and well, the bar is johnson putting on this fake populace conservatism and 29 c. and he
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broke through, you know, all of us, of the traditional labor areas. some of these are all, this is a new kind of populace conservatism in terms of because boston and all the way. but in those constituencies, roof home is now 2nd to late. but i so that's something where you all ready for raj is clever in skills. well that's where he showed the focus of the is the be very important here because the vote and most of the voters who voted for breakfast. i'm not going to be happy with leave was blind to cozy up and make nice with the babble and you know, to push all the, the agenda and that 0 basically getting, you know, that like, you know, a liberal stance on, on a big re since then all there to go for the 1st it was a birthday, then they go to turn and that's what reform should come man. so that's what that's about a $105.00 constituents is that's a, that's a $105.00 that the reform should win. and so next time around could result would be
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a very significant up. that's the most important number out of the entire election is the number of times the reform party came in 2nd. martin, who is the new prime minister of the u. k. um, so what, when i hear his name, i think of how he was part of the disgraceful campaign against julian. a sorry, um and, and we had uh stab the jeremy corman in the back. and now he's just a deep stave. operative okay. do you oh, and he's like human rights. so advocate, you know, really, really what are actually actually he's the, he's the left is the center less new version of forest johnson. and he is a prolific lyle. he actually goes back on almost everything to the says, just as well as johnson does, did. so i think we're going to have to get used to that. but the 1st one today is an office, and it was gonna be a massive anticlimax. and in britain you said, who is, who is this guy?
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he is many things so many people, but what worries me is his proximity to as well. you know, he's really a puppet of design his regime and we're going to see a lot of people proceed on this route. we're going to the, they've already wheeled out. david, allow me possibly the most stupid man in british politics for a long time. who is in the se and stuff, and that's said somebody who is prep us time. i'm why is it been wheeled out? because i think that's going to be a must have a delusion. illusion here. we're going to pretend to be gunning for a seized an, an, a 2 state solution. but in reality it can be 2 and just as bind did is supporting design is even more to carry on with the, to, to work in the and the genocide. so it's going to be a false, it's going to be a lot of fake news and people are going to be, i'm going to the believing that this is new come, which has about the posting is what it doesn't a tool. but i think that the economy is not going to be boosted simply by a goodwill fact. you know, a good, a good feeling and breton that we've got to change coming into people in person
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won't change, but they didn't really know what kind of change they wanted. and so you had a protest vote. a big participate was people not voting. a tool lot of people stayed at home, another protest, but it was the low tories to vote labor just to send a message to their employees that you've got 5 years to shape up, you know? but i mean, how long can stomach and keep the shine on this, you know, i imagine not much longer than the 1st year in office when the policies start failing and labor results to it's tried and tested method in short term stay in office politics, which is the high taxes, and that's what we're going to see in the okay. you know, we're going to, we're going to be overtime. so going to be like an e u member stay like from so geometry. right. and i taxes. and this will put more pressure for change to come about. it won't bring in basically raising taxes that just destroys business. you know, if people have got less money to spend an ice feed that to, to, to us for an investor is, you know, basically our economy is, is heading towards the best george. i mean, again, we the,
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we don't really see it that the policy alternatives are getting more and more narrow. eva, even tory governments player, you know what, there's breaks it, you know, that ways bell basically because of the, mostly because of immigration. but since breaks immigration is just increased, i mean, i mean, you know, it doesn't matter who you're getting quoting power, you get the same government that you do. and that's why the tories were rejected. so resoundingly, and, and of course i believe i have no plan for immigration. i mean, to me, to research the sort of the biggest issue in the u. k. off are obviously the economy and we've done. it's just terrible, like the conditions are really, you know, uh, prices of grosses and everything else. but this is a huge issue and then leave it has absolutely no idea what, what they're going to do about it. and so that's why they're going to run into the
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numerous problems immediately. and then money comes to ukraine. let me look at how many times, just in the 1st 24 hours of the victory of style. and then baby allow me to bring up ukraine. why? why they took my degree and it just me a general election year. you were saying, you know, you want to be the spelling of what are the top type things we're going to be doing for the british people. and it said that talking about the rent i agree with when my hot and david allow me is a very, very stupid man, and he is going to be the front man. i mean that that's, that's what i think a james cleverly because his breed assessor spurn secretary, it's like you basically put them forward. they don't, they don't people have any power over there, essentially to show. well, we're really committed, you know, to diversity. you know we, we want to have such a wide range of people in the district. so her wonderful british life is and anybody can make it to the top. but basically, um sama, even his wife, given his his own background is going to be a very, very pro zion, as
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a prime minister. and, and they go to pursue this. you create policy which is very, i'm kind of pillar. and it is going to be immediate, i'm going to be the 1st by election. it under the sky. the government is going to be a huge rejection of style. and so he really doesn't have any real agend. i mean, you're going to move a lot to nothing like totally blair in 197 or anything like that. there's no mandate here. and so it's just a rejection. and of the tories? well, i mean, martin, one of the, one of the thing good things that came out of the electra, the entire, almost the entire front bench of the tories are gone up. the young people i've known for years. you know, um i don't know how to contact them and say, sorry, you know, that just sitting in front of the tv's now watching um, dates on television. wondering what to do with their lives. but powerful big people . people who really to make decisions and. and what game changes, you know, they, it's been, i think the public enough to reinvent. and so i think, but i think i think to pick up george's point about reform reform is certainly
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a punches a could grow very quickly in the next 5 years. and could be something huge and, and in the next, in the next election and the, it's inevitable when these policies start to fail on sale at a foster pace that for right votes increased dramatically. and uh, as george says, stumbles got no policy, a tool for immigration, thousands of people of crossing the channel from, from seeing these boats. well, i mean, george from the a, the martin from the outside looking in. the only thing i keep hearing about is ukraine. that's, that's it. well, i think i've jumped on the, the, the media. so trick of you know, deflecting john is away from the game. it may be because they're impacting their bags to go to the nato summit. okay gentlemen, that's all the time we have one thing, my guess and i'm budapest and america sion. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. all righty. so you next time. remember, across apples, the
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