i'm big side to use that uh, notion for the on the i'm action or time. so you're welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world from the u. a. what did you make of this week's nato? somebody posted in washington, dc from west schools. the bottom conflicts window and show around the world since the self described defense organization was created. 75 years ago to some of these are a nation policies are bringing us of a closer to wiping out to humanity in a nuclear war. professor ted postal is one of the usa is most prominent specialists in nuclear weapons and missile defense, the professor emeritus of science, technology and international security and mit and

a former advisors with us chief of naval operations, joins me now from boston, massachusetts professor, thank so much for coming back on last time you were on that was around the same time as i should. i came on, he publicized your search, showing nato countries were duped in just aborting. at strikes on damascus, britain, the united states in france. actually this week, the israel bomb by the these countries, the bottom, the syria, before we get on to nato's of the, the sound of a 3. do you feel vindicated about to be exposing the lies that brought to the war on syria? well i, i don't know what indicated means because it's, uh, it's almost like a beauty contest of dealing with the public reactions to what and say never seems to, to, uh, get, get the kind of proper, but i would called technical review. uh, get one hopes that you would get and of course it's difficult to do that in

a journal or stick environment, but i certainly feel good. every thing i conclude it turned out to be absolutely correct. and the more you, when i revisit it, i just see more and more details that fit together. so even though oscar as i say all skills are and do that to documentary is that said there were chemical attacks . yeah. the new york times of, uh oh, did they have there's a video branch that they now have and the people that are to have no idea what they're doing, you know, re tell her story with videos and by selectively and showing the pictures they control any story they want and there seems to be no control over, you know, ground truth and i find it rather shocking, but the new york times has really become an extraordinarily unreliable source on

paintings. and that's international. well, of course it was the media celebrating the $75.00. yeah. or anniversary of nato held in washington with all these, well, the leaders propaganda machine in full flow. what do you think of the state of nato? is all the journalist, including those from the new york times? the swans around saying now is the time to confront russia, china, iran, i don't know how many other countries as well, 1st of all there's, there's a delusion very uh, aspect of this whole thing. because uh, if you look at the ukraine war and i've been following it on the date, daily basis of re, the russians are overwhelming the ukranian forces and they are inflicting tremendous casualties on these forces. and it is clear

that the russian strategy is to cause a tremendous amount of attrition on the granting and forces a dd to a weakening so great that when russia bend chooses to go on the off ends on options in this case to be just take territory because they're not trying to take territory, what they're trying to do is reduce ukrainian forces to, to, to a shell or 2 or 2 ghosts of what they were and verify treating very well. i think they're probably 550000 casualties. and the credit in force and bullies i, it's hard to know what the russian casualties are, but they are much lower in spite of going to the country. and the reason for that, there are numerous reasons for that. the russians have complete control of the air over the line of combat,

which means that they can deliver munitions anywhere. there's a, a need for a powerful bomb of some kind to destroy the fortified position. and they have a $10.00 to $1.00 advantage in artillery and artillery. there's the big chart in this kind of war, about 60 or 70 percent of the casualties are typically caused by our killer not not gun pardons. and this in this tremendous advantage in or calorie is, is profound because nato nato cannot produce are much more than $30000.00 or maybe $40000.00 a $155.00 millimeter howitzer shells a month right now in russia is producing 10 times round. good that

been in charles, which of course are under the lincoln sure to which of course anthony blinking secretary of state would say and has been saying at the nato conference in washington this week. that's why and he himself is a consultant before becoming secretary of state, west exec and honest consultancy defense companies said we're going to give f sixteens to control the air as well as the aaa of defense systems. so how will that change the conflict? well, partner a mr. blinking should know a little bit of well doesn't unfortunately, but we have 16 is not gonna make any difference at all as far as like a go the uh it's it, it doesn't have a lot of, i mean, it has significant the ability to carry bombs, but it's no rush or an air defenses become dominant in this area and they shoot

down claims word prison in the air. 16 is not going to be any better and avoid being shot down than uh, a relatively, uh, modern uh you know, russian or soviet chat. if you want to call the draft that does the gradients i've been trying to operate. numerical rep will be destroyed on the tarmac and you've been here for y'alls, which are now under regular attack of from long range missiles. you have sixteen's will be shot down over the horizon from beyond the horizon of the russian air defense systems. because the russians have a tightly coordinated system of airborne the radars are just what are what a wax are born warning and control systems. those radars can see you have 6 needs uh well beyond the curvature of yours when you're on the ground and they can

immediately send all the information to the ground uh to the ground air defense for it to launch a very powerful giant uh interceptor that can fly, but can reach out to maybe almost 400 kilometers and engage have 6 name that you have 6 name is not even good or no, it's under track. what's gonna happen is this uh, this giant intercept. it will fly at 1st under a ballistic trajectory, trading the altitude for speed and it will not turn on it's determining right or until the very light time. and it will be arriving at such high speed. it's a pilot, well not even though they're under attack or even if they know they're under attractive will have no time at all to react. and the russians have been using this

very successfully to shoot down the ukrainian aircraft, but f 16 is not going to be any more impervious to this. then when the, the aircraft at the gradients have already been using this all the, all the applause in washington, what i found just wasting taxpayer dollars of nato countries. and you'd say, i mean, if you believes in in ski rush or deliberately hit the children's hospital in the past few days, if you believe propaganda, media like the bbc, comcast sky news, cnn, and all these kinds of propaganda stations. they say actually russia is famed for its poor targeting during this ukraine war. and that's why the children's hospitalization, because the russian say it was ukrainian defense has been hit the children's hospital so catastrophic like, well, i mean it's, it's hard to know my, my guess is that this building was unfortunately hit with a russian rock. that's my guess. i want,

i want to use the word yes. and the reason i believe that is not because of any videos i've seen of rockets coming in the next direction, some pretty interesting videos of these cruise missiles arriving. but that's because the level of damage at the local level is much larger than you would expect from an air defense interceptor hitting the building. so i'm going to collapse the whole building, whatever it and now whatever it was intentional or not, i don't believe for a minute or 2nd that it was intentional. and we certainly have situations like what occurred as the rest of the code. where'd we use? uh, a tak, i'm use ease. uh uh, bomb like, uh, dropping the missiles that were fired at sylvester po of killed and injured a large number of people on the beach. and i don't believe that was intended,

but i think it would be the comes up supply by the united states that killed all those civilians killed or injured a 100 people in the on that crime in beach was because they were trying to attack civilian target downtown so basketball because daily the u. s. u. k, u, back 3, great, new forces are attacking civilian targets in belgrade and elsewhere. the russians say they're attacking military facilities and deny, of course, that it was the russian as well. i actually looked at the trajectories involved and i tend to agree that it looks like the re vessel that dropped the bomb lights on the beach was very likely heading toward the north central region. no. so that's the pol which is not a military area. and so i don't think the russians were clear enough on the directories of reason coming rockets, but what i could tell based on what was said and, and,

and from the locations of the launch points or the, and the accident to atrocity if you want to call it that it does, it does appear that the rockets were a, that's a 1000000000 areas and one of them got hit, got damage. the others were apparently shut down, but one of them got damaged and it fell short and released all these bonbons and positive with us. if you were shooting at a further south that downtown area. but if you're shooting at that area, there's a minimum. what, where uh, russian uh, naval vessels. uh, what would be, uh more and, but what, i don't know why you would shoot at those naval vessels using bomblets because the bomb, let's just land on the decks of the vessels and exploding it through. if there's,

if there's crew on the back though, it'll kill or injure them, but they won't destroy the ship, not at all because of you know past, i'll stop you. the more from the full, my scientific advisor depends because naval operations chief after this, by the thousands of years, humans have been working into the star searching for answers here and is the,

are the scientists continue that tradition? getting information from galaxies far far away and hopes that humanity might survive in the future. not in his head of a special actual physical observatory home to various telescopes, which leads were in for an interest in to the outgoing nasal general secretary stilton berg claims a russian victory in the ukraine. complex is the biggest risk to the us led military blog. this is all the more reason russia will achieve its goals in this proxy war the welcome back to going on the guy not affiliated with the mit professor emeritus of science, technology and individuals, a guarantee involvement scientific advisor to defend against naval operations, chief professor, tempo. so, you know, you were saying in part one about the children's hospital attack,

you were talking about the attack them's attack and cry, me a as regards targeting of these, a nato, a nation weapons in this a 75th anniversary party week in washington, dc. does the united states have boots on the ground in ukraine to target? these miss, i'll say, with the one that killed or injured a 100 people on a beach civilians on a beach is around a 6 on the ground. is it special forces? i have no way of knowing i would put it passed a partner, the c r a or among ships to be on the ground. unfortunately, both those agencies have a long history of being a rogue government or both the rich and americans. we have a secret c, r a, which is now interfering with the western press. i mean, these guys are, you know, paying journalists to what evidence you have to say a paying west

a journalist. the john is, i know i have to say, i mean, i spent a long time in the bbc they would do the c i is meeting with no need for any extra money. well, we have, i mean i'm thinking of the group that i can't go with the uh, this guy deleon higgins, who uh, darling test for to pay for 2 years this organization called bell and god. and it's just a bunch of people for making it up as the go along and very have money. so my understanding or from outside sources and they may not be correct. i don't, i don't know where this money would be coming from to support a group of people like this. but it's, you know, they live it, they've attacked this program while we invite any of higgins on any time to task about to, to answer about where is the source of funding is what you said. the attack comes

that hit the beach in crimea, will look to target to that as of any of the areas near. as i've asked people with this of needed targeting. i know you said that the patriot missile batteries many more which of which are going to be sent according to the nature conference in washington dc. this we, they need us boots on the ground to help with the targeting. i'll be honest with you. i, i don't know about the direct them to the patriots. i need to be manned by people who are trained and it's hard for me to understand the operator use patriot units easier or not. you know, your gradients don't have to be trained in the training, just take some time and the destruction of patriot units about the russians which has been going on for quite a while. almost certainly kills a lot of people who operate these, your defense system. so i don't know where the ukrainians are getting retrain personnel. now maybe they get them trained out so i had of time expecting them to

die. or just don't know. now you are one of the world's preeminent military. uh, scientists. you know, not like doctors range love though. i know that people can watch our interview with the, with the sound, the cubic daughter on a regular channel you, we've had a string of film or us military officials. horrified about the attack on russia's nuclear. any warning systems, what was your 1st thoughts when you heard or are related? so these are the landscapes troops. as an ascii soul just had targeted rushes early warning. you to systems are actually immediately immediately wrote to jeffrey sachs and copied a whole bunch of people because of the i was extreme. well jeffrey sachs, advisors the there's, we don't, this is kind of, he was horrified to. yeah, well,

he advised the secretary general of you. and so i wanted to make sure that jeffrey knew so that he could alert the secretary general them whatever mechanisms they have. it could be one could be like, you know, activated. but i have been studying the russian early warning system for decades. it's not the only thing i do. thank god, but it stems from a concern i had from the days i was in the pentagon because i was in the pentagon and i was very suspicious that the russian early warning system was not up to the job. when i was independent run, i didn't trust the intelligence pharmacy. it just didn't look right. and way, late, many years later, i analyzed a uh, a false alert accident that occurred in russia. and to a series of detailed analyses,

it became clear that the russians did not have a space based global surveillance system. now let me explain what that means. so united states has satellites, what are called geosynchronous orbit? so those orbits are in high altitude and the orbital rotation is once every 24 hours along with your below. so the satellite appears to be stationary over. oh, oh, you know above the ground courses, it's very far out. it's about 40000 kilometers in space. and the satellite looks down and it could see the hot exhaust blue of a vessel. why don't you watch over ballistic missile when it's watch? so for example, if the united states lost one of its fairly wandering radars, we could immediately use the satellites to determine that nothing was happening happening and that potential attack card russians do not have use capability.

and it's not because they haven't tried. i have a lot of detailed analysis and historical data that shows they made a significant effort. and incidentally, it's not because they don't know what they're doing. i've been a whole bunch of russian satellite experts. it was very clear to me that they're all you have, your people is extremely on your scientific capabilities, but they don't have the electronics in there to read the sensing technologies that they need to be able to look down straight at the ground and, and it's, and see the small signal from a rocket to against the right reflections of sunlight of cloud tops. so. so today completely depend, they don't necessarily want to use it. i mean, you don't, you think it was a, is a landscape marshals and landscape goes because of the elected anymore. you will

issue to collections. it was a ukrainian or as off, not see a line the group tactic rather than any kind of collaboration with the bite and administration would surely, well, account and, and such a strike it's, it's hard for me to know because we're dealing with actors who are really largely ignorant and i mean, i include mr. blake and mr. barton and mr. sullivan. i've dealt with white house people over the years and they never, they never know anything about the us early warning system. get along the russians . they just don't know. they don't get briefed on it for reasons. there is a whole lot of discussion about government failures, of government communicate into internal communication. part of the reason i asked jeffrey to uh cuz he has people you can contact at the white house that he tells

them immediately. they talk to, you know, they extend the information to the white house. because i doubt that anybody in the white house understood how dangerous this attack on this radar was, because the russians would have no ability to understand what could be happening in that particular direction. i mean, how capable is the united states for all its early warning using the satellites? and they've actually been reliant on the law must sell increasingly lately because it gotten seem to low into the satellites of intercepting how cable is the united states of intercepting a russian nuclear warhead. in any case, i know they said that the north korean miss, i'll was um, invincible, against current to us, we are okay with the united states. actually with united states has no capability and to ship any ballistic, much in some sense, that's why when people talk about all these hypersonic missiles and new, you know,

for a long range attack. so i kind of laughed to myself because i said they can't intercept the ballistic missiles, who cares about offers on it. so it doesn't need to be a console this uh with the new pay or, i mean the united states has no defenses against no, none at all. do you, how does that come to be that you are uh, you are g scientist and the advisor, the pentagon, there you were naval operations didn't no one think under reagan and success of presidents. this might be something that needed to be looked at rather than the projects when you were plains with uh, does that never worked well. i mean, for the long range ballistic missile defenses, missiles that are, are flying in space against the united states. if we're, we're attack would, would be in the near vacuum of space and be in high altitude. and in that environment, a rock and a feather will travel together because there's no error that amec drag to cause

a heavy object. is that a light object to slow up relative to a heavy object? so all you need to do is put a balloon up. or, you know, it doesn't even have to have the shape of a warhead, because all you see from a distance is a, is a spot of, of a warm, you know, a warm signal shouldn't be the same professor, but of course the chinese balloon was because we are talking about again and we always say, well, you tries outside of the chinese balloon got over, then the mit website has, which i need school, right. and so, you know, i belong and you can have hundreds of balloons, a company, each ballistics, forehead. it's net very easy to make for space and it can wait. frank m chase or you know, few ounces. and the system has no way of understanding what it's looking at. okay, well finally a very, very briefly then if the united states isn't uh, is destroyed beforehand and you, capitals, you expect,

certainly the ukraine in its present form will not exist after the current uh, complex is over and, and you believe that you realize all this because there's no room for independent thoughts and in washington at the moment. well, i could use nato. the way i see the nato celebration which i've been watching, part of, which is a kind of feel sick and bill will not watch this because i see these people deluding themselves into believing that they winning a war and that they have already lost. there's no question they've lost it. you don't terms of, you know, russians give it any time decide to take the rest of your grade. it would be very fast because there's no arming, left english. but actually, it's a way to continue destroying the final remnants of ukrainian army. so when they choose to take out the rest of your grand, no,

they'll be minimal. russian casualty, that's what they tried to do this, keep your cache and things that make sense from their point of view. so i'm looking at this, requiring the celebration in, in washington. and it's, it's, it's, it's kind of disgusted to be honest, because these are people who are in positions of responsibility. they make decisions that costs human lives. those human lives are not only ukrainian or russian, such as a war that is going on now for no purpose because there's over russians can and that any time they choose, i'm just a knocking down what's left of the door and walking through. and then you have, uh the president is already, you know, it's very clear, he's not competent goose ins. and it's got something seriously wrong with him. and, and i wonder how much is going on before. it's become very clear because when he

talks about is whether it will be a, you know, it's kind of astonishing. you know, he's bragging about converting nato from a defensive organization, which it was up until the 19, like 19 natives. 1992, a highly regressive offer. to organization that has cause a war, it did not have to happen where a tremendous number of people are being killed and injured. in any talks, you got an interview just a few days earlier where he actually presented himself as, as the leader of the world, just managing the whole world. we actually send this just print when he said this and then i'm thinking of, of, of, of nick at yahoo in gaza. drums is known i by weight by you

makes an empty statement. stop killing all these innocent people. because i mean, he has no influence of any time and then he's the best himself, but he's just big important figure. last of all this control. and if he starts of what we're trying. and i want to go out of my way to make this point. the united states will lose that war for president, though, so thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those brief by nature nation on genocide will be back on monday to ask about the hardest times . next, move with thomas dunn's former investigator to washington entails and keep in touch . my role that social media results ends in your country and it's on channel going underground tv, hon dot com to let you know that type of going undergrad to monday. the, [000:00:00;00]

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