humanity in a nuclear war professor type postal is one of the usa, is most prominent specialists in nuclear weapons and missile defense. the professor emeritus of science, technology and international security and mit and the former advisors of us chief of naval operations joins me now from boston. massachusetts professor thank so much for coming back on last time you are on that was around the same time as i sure came on. he publicized your search showing i need to countries with dupe and just avoiding ass strikes on damascus. britain, the united states in france actually this week, the israel bomb by the these countries bomb the syria. before we get onto an 8 or 75th anniversary, do you feel vindicated? about exposing the lives that brought to the war on syria? well i, i don't know what indicated means because it's, uh, it's almost like a beauty contest. they're dealing with the public reactions to what and say never

seems to get, get the kind of proper. but i would call technical review of that one hopes that you would get. and of course it's difficult to do back in their journalistic environment. but i certainly feel good. every thing i conclude it turned out to be absolutely correct. and the more you know, when i revisit it, i just see more and more details that get together. so even though oscars i sent you an oscar as well and did that the documentary is that said they were chemical attacks. yeah, the new york times, um, uh uh, did they have there's a video branch that they now have and the people that are to have no idea of what they're doing, the color story videos and by selectively and showing the pictures the control on the story they want and they seems to be no control over, you know,

ground truth and i find it rather shocking, but the new york times has really become an extraordinarily unreliable source on faith in this international. well, of course it was the media celebrating the $75.00. yeah. right. kind of a 3 or 5 nato held in washington with all of these, well, the latest propaganda machine in full flow. what do you think of the state of nato? is all the journalists, including those from the new york times? a swans around saying now is the time to confront russia, china, iran? i don't know how many other countries. well, 1st of all of here's, here's a delusion, arie uh, aspect of this whole thing. because uh, if you look at the ukraine war and i've been following it on the day daily basis of re, the russians are overwhelming the ukranian forces and

they are inflicting tremendous casualties on these forces. and it is clear that the russian strategy is to cause a tremendous amount of attrition on ukrainian forces, a dd to a weakening so great that when russia bend chooses to go on the off ends on options in this case be just take territory because they're not trying to take territory, what they're trying to do is reduce ukrainian forces to, to, to shout through, to ghost of what they were and verify, treating very well. i think they're probably 550000 casualties. are now the credit in force and bullies. i, it's hard to know what the russian casualties are, but they are much lower in spite of going to the country. and the reason for that,

there are numerous reasons for that. the russians have complete control of the air over the line of combat, which means that they can deliver munitions anywhere. there's a, a need for a powerful bomb of some kind to destroy a fortified position. and they have a $10.00 to $1.00 advantage in artillery. and artillery is the big chart. and this kind of war about 60 or 70 percent of the casualties are typically caused by artillery not, not done pardons. and this is just tremendous advantage, and artillery is, is profound because nato nato cannot produce are much more than $30000.00 or maybe $40000.00

a $155.00 millimeter howitzer shells the month right now in russia is producing 10 times round. good. that value charles, which of course are under the lincoln sort too, which of course anthony blinking secretary of state would say and has been saying at the nato conference in washington this week. that's why and he himself is a consultant uh before uh, becoming fixed, your state west, exec and honest consultancy defense companies said we're going to give f sixteens to control the air as well as the aaa and defense systems. so how will that change the conflict? well, partner mr. blinking should uh know a little bit of well doesn't unfortunately, but uh, we have 16 is not going to make any difference at all as far as i can tell the, uh, uh, it's it, it doesn't have a lot of, i mean, it has,

she never can the ability to carry bombs, but it's, you know, russian air defenses become dominant in this area and the shoot down claims word printing in your strips name is not going to be any better and avoid being shot down then a relatively a modern you know, russian or sylvia chat if you want to call the draft that the ukrainians have been trying to operate near crap will be destroyed on the term back. and we've been here for y'alls which are now under regular attack of from long range missiles. yes, explains, will be shot down over the horizon from beyond the horizon of the russian air defense systems. because the russians have a tightly coordinated system of air born uh

radar. so just what are, what a wax airborne warning and control systems those radars can see. uh, we have 6 needs uh, well beyond the curvature of yours when you're on the ground. and they can immediately send all the information to the ground to the ground air defense for it to launch a very powerful giant uh interceptor that can fly but could reach out to maybe almost 400 kilometers and engage. have 6 name that we have 6 name is not even to the know it's under attract. what's gonna happen is this uh, this giant data ship, it will fly at 1st under a ballistic trajectory, trading the altitude for speed and it will not turn on. it's the timing right or until the very light time and it will be arriving at such high speed as

a pilot. well, not even though they're under attack or even if they know they're under attack, people have no time at all to react. and the russians have been using this very successfully to shoot down a ukrainian aircraft and upsets me. and it's not going to be any more impervious to this. then uh, when the, the aircraft that the gradients have already been using this, you know, all the, all the applause in washington, what i found, just wasting taxpayer dollars of nato countries. and you'd say, i mean, if you believes it in ski rush or deliberately hit the children's hospital in the past few days, if you believe, prob, again, the media like the bbc, comcast sky news, cnn, and all these kinds of propaganda stations. they say actually russia is famed for its poor targeting during this ukraine war. and that's why the children's hospitalization, because the russian say it was ukrainian defense has been hit the children's hospital so catastrophic. well, i mean it's, it's hard to know my,

my guess is that this building was unfortunately hit with the russian rock. that's my guess. i want, i want to use the word. yes. and the reason i believe that is not because of any videos i've seen of rockets coming in the x direction, some pretty interesting videos of these cruise missiles arriving. but that's because the level of damage but at the local level is much larger than you would expect from an air defense interceptor. hitting the building. i'm going to collapse the whole building, whatever it. and now when i was intentional or not, i don't believe for a minute or 2nd that it was intention. and we certainly have situations like what occurred as the rest of the co where it leads to a tak, i'm used to use uh uh, bomb like, uh,

dropping the missiles that were fired as the rest of the po, of killed and injured a large number of people on the beach and i don't believe that was intended, but i think it would be the comes up supply by the united states. uh, that killed all those civilians killed or injured a 100 people in the on that crime in beach was because they were trying to attack civilian target downtown. so basketball because daily the u. s. u. k, u back ukranian forces are attacking civilian targets in belgrade and elsewhere. the russians say they're attacking military facilities and deny, of course, that it was a russian as well. i actually looked at the trajectories involved and i tend to agree that it looks like the re vessel that dropped the bomb lights on the beach was very likely heading toward the north central region. no. so that's the poll, which is not

a military area. and so i don't think the russians were clear enough on the trajectories of reason coming rockets, but what i could tell based on what was said and, and, and from the locations of the launch points and, and the accident to atrocity if you want to call it that does, it does appear that the rockets were a, they're 2000000000 areas and one of them got hit got damage. the others were apparently shut down, but one of them got damaged and it fell short. and it released all these bonbons and plus the velocity we're shooting at a further south of that downtown area. like if you're shooting at that area, there's a mini what, where uh, russian uh, naval vessels. uh, what would be a uh morgue. and but what,

i don't know why you would shoot at those naval vessels using bomblets because the bomb legend does land on the decks of vessels and exploding through. if there's, if there's crew on the back though, it'll kill or injure them, but they won't destroy the ship, not at all because of you know past, i'll stop you that. more from be for my scientific advisor depends because naval operations cheap. after this break, the look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except we're so shorter is a conflict with the 1st law show alignment as a patient, we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at the point, obviously, is to create a trust rather than fit the various jobs. i mean, with the artificial intelligence, we have so many with the man the

most protect this phone existence was on the the welcome back to going on the right not affiliated with the mit professor emeritus of science, technology, and international security and following scientific advisor to defend against naval operations, chief professor, tempo. so, you know, you were saying in part one about the children's hospital attack, you were talking about the attack him to attack him, cry me a as regards targeting all of these nato nation weapons in this a 75th anniversary party week in washington, dc. does the united states have boots on the ground in ukraine to target? these miss, i'll say, with the one that uh, killed or injured a 100 people on a beach civilians on a beach is around my 6 on the ground. is it special forces?

i have no way of knowing, i would put it past the either the see already are among ships to be on the ground. unfortunately, both those agencies have a long history of being a rogue government for both the rich and americans. we have the secret c i a, which is now interfering with the western press means guys are, you know, paying journalists to what evidence you have to say a bang west the journalist, the journalists, i know i have to say, i mean, i spent a long time in the bbc they do the c i is meeting with no need for any extra money . well, we have, i mean, i'm thinking of the group that i can go to with the uh, this guy tell me and higgins, who uh, selling cash for to pay for, you know, gives us organization called bell and god. and it's just

a bunch of people were making it up as a go along and they have money. so my understanding from outside sources and to make big i'd be correct. i don't, i don't know where this money would be coming from. like just support a group of people like this but to see where they live is they've attacked this program while we invite any higgins on any time to task about to to answer about where is a source of funding is what you said. the attack comes that hit the beach in cry. me a well look to talking to the civilian areas. me as i've asked people with this of needed targeting. i know you said that the patriot missile batteries many more which of which are going to be sent according to the nature conference in washington dc. this we, they need us boots on the ground to help with targeting. i'll be honest with you. i, i don't know about the types of patriots i need to be banned by people who are

trained and it's hard for me to understand the operator use patriot units. if 0 or not you know the gradients to have to be trained in the training. just take some time and the destruction of patriot units about the russians which has been going on for quite a while. almost certainly kills a lot of the people who operate these air defense system. so i don't know where the ukrainians are getting retrain personnel. now maybe they get them trained to outside of the head of time, expecting them to die. or just don't know. now you'll one of the world's pre eminent military uh, scientists, you know, like doctors range love though. i know that people can watch our interview with the, with the sound, the cubic daughter on a regular channel. uh you, uh, we've had a string of film or us military officials. horrified about the attack on russia's

nuclear, early warning systems. what was your 1st thoughts when you heard or are related? fees are zalinski is troops as an entity soul. just had targeted rushers early warning you to systems are actually immediately immediately wrote to jeffrey sachs a of, and copied a whole bunch of people because of the i was at the street. well jeffrey sachs advises the, the, the show. and he was horrified to. yeah, well he advises the secretary general of you and so i wanted to make sure that jeffrey knew so that he could alert the secretary general them whatever mechanisms they have. it could be one could be for that you know, activated. but i have been studying the russian early warning system for decades. it's not the only thing i do. thank god, but uh uh,

it stems from a concern i had from the days i was in the pentagon because i was in the pentagon and that was very suspicious. stuffy rush. an early warning system was not up to the job. when i was independent runner, i didn't trust the intelligence pharmacy. it just didn't look right. and way, late, many years later, i analyzed a false alert accident that occurred in russia and to a series of um, detailed analyses. it became clear that the russians did not have a space based global surveillance system. now let me explain what that means. so united states has satellites, what are called geosynchronous orbit? so those orbits, or in high altitude and the orbital rotation is once every 24 hours along with your

below. so the satellite appears to be stationary over. oh, oh, you know, above the ground courses, it's very far out. it's about 40000 kilometers in space and the satellite looks down and it can see the hot exhaust blue of your so why don't you watch of a ballistic missile limits? watch show, for example, if you're nighted states last one of it's early morning radars, we could immediately use the satellites to determine that nothing was happening happening in that potential attack card. russians do not have these capability. this is not because they haven't tried and i have a lot of detailed analysis and historical data that shows they made a significant effort. and incidentally, it's not because they don't know what they're doing. i've been a whole bunch of russian satellite experts and it's very clear to me that they're

probably get their people is extremely high and your scientific capabilities, but they don't have the electronics and they to read sensing technologies that they need to be able to look down straight at the ground and, and it's and see the small signal from a rocket to against the bright reflections of sunlight of cloud tops. so, so, so they completely depend, they don't necessarily want to, i mean you don't, you think it was a, is a landscape marshall's landscape, those because you're elected anymore, you will issue to collections. it was a ukrainian or as off, not see a line the group tactic rather than any kind of collaboration with the bite and administration would surely, well, account and, and such a strike it's, it's hard for me to know because we are dealing with actors. so are really largely ignorant. and i mean,

i include mr. blake and mr. barton and mr. sullivan. i've dealt with white house people over the years and they never, they never know anything about the us early warning system. get along the russians . they just don't know. they don't get briefed on it for reasons. there is a whole lot of discussion about government failures, of government communicate into internal communication. part of the reason i asked jeffrey to uh cuz he has people you can contact at the white house that he tells them immediately. they talk to, you know, they send the information to the white house, because i doubt that anybody in the white house understood how dangerous this attack on this radar was. because the russians would have no ability to understand what could be happening in that particular direction. i mean,

how capable is the united states for all its early warning using the satellites? and they've actually been reliant on the law must sell increasingly lately, because it got seem to low into the satellites of intercepting how cable is the united states of intercepting a russian nuclear warhead. in any case, i know they said that the north korean miss out was invincible against coming to us . we are okay with the united states or should we, united states has no capability to ship any ballistic, much in some sense. that's why when people talk about all these hypersonic missiles and new, you know, for a long range attack. so i kind of laughed to myself because i said they can't intercept the ballistic missiles. who cares about authors on it? so it doesn't need to be a console this uh with the new pay. what i mean, the united states has no defenses against no, none at all. to how does that come to be that you are up? you are g scientist and the advisor at the pentagon. there you were naval operations didn't no one think under reagan and success of presidents,

this might be something that needed to be looked at rather than the projects for new war planes that uh does that never worked well. i mean, for the long range ballistic missile defenses, missiles that are, are flying in space against the united states. if we were, we were attacked, we would be in the near vacuum of space. and, you know, we'd be in high altitude, been in that environment. a rock in the center will travel together because there's no error than amick drag to cause a heavy object is online object to slow up relatives to a heavy object. so all you need to do is put the balloon up. it doesn't even have to have the shape of a warhead, because all you see from a distance is a, is a spot of, of a warm, you know, a warm signal shouldn't be the same professor, but of course the chinese balloon was because we are talking about again,

and we always say, well, you tries outside the chinese balloon got over then the met, whether the living has which i need school it. right. and so, you know, belong, and you can have hundreds of balloons, a company, each ballistics, morehead. it's very, very easy to make for space and you can wait track balances or, you know, few ounces. and the system has no way of understanding what it's looking at. okay, well finally a very, very briefly then if the united states isn't uh, is destroyed beforehand and you, capitals, you expect, certainly the ukraine in its present form will not exist after the current uh, complex is over and, and you believe that you realize all this because there's no room for independent thoughts and in washington at the moment. well, i could use nato. the way i see the nato celebration, which i've been watching,

part of this is a kind of feel ship and deal when i've watched this because i see these people deluding themselves into believing that the winning awards that they have already lost. there's no question they've lost it. you don't terms of, you know, russians give it any time decide to take the rest of your grade. it would be very fast because there's no army left english. but actually don't wait till to continue destroying the final remnants of ukrainian army. so when they choose to take the rest of your grant, they'll, they'll be minimal. russian casualty, that's what they tried to do this, keep your cache and things that make sense from their point of view. so i'm looking at this, requiring the celebration in, in washington. and it's, it's, it's, it's kind of disgusted to be honest, because these are people who are in positions of responsibility. they make

decisions that costs human logs. those human lives are not only ukrainian or russian, such as a war that is going on now for no purpose, because it's over. russians getting in the any time they choose, i'm just are knocking down what's left of the door in walking through. and then you have a president is already uh, i mean it's very clear, it's not popping conclusions. and it's got something seriously wrong with him. and, and i wonder how much is going on before it's become very clear because when he talks about his record of behavior, it's kind of astonishing. next, you know, he's bragging about converting nato from a defensive organization, which it was up until the 19, like 19 eighties, 199828 highly regressive offer to organization that has caused

a war. and it did not have to happen where a tremendous number of people are being killed and injured. in any talks, you got an interview just a few days earlier where he actually presented himself as, as the leader of the world, just managing the whole world. he actually send this stuff just print when he said this and i'm thinking though, of, of, of record yahoo in gospel drums is, knows i by weight by you makes an empty statement. stop killing all these innocent people. because i mean, he has no influence of any time, and then he used to visit itself, but it was just big, important figure to answer all this control. and if he starts, it was trying i want to go out of my way to make this point. the united states will

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