the, the i'm action or time say welcome back to going underground, broadcasting all around the world, from the u. a. what did you make of this week's nato? somebody posted in washington dc from where school is about complex willow and stroll around the world since the self described defense organization was created. 75 years ago to something these are a nation policies are bringing us of a closer to wiping out to humanity in a nuclear war. professor ted postal is one of the usa is most prominent specialists in nuclear weapons missile defense, the professor emeritus of science, technology and international security and mit and a former advisors with us chief of naval operations, joins me now from boston, massachusetts. progressive thanks so much for coming back on last time you are on.

it was around the same time as i share it came on. he publicized your search showing nato countries were duped in just a boarding as strikes on damascus. britain, the united states in france actually this week, the israel bomb by these countries, the bottom, the syria, before we get onto an 8 or 75th anniversary, do you feel vindicated? about exposing the lives that brought to the war on syria? well i, i don't know what indicated means because it's, uh, it's almost like a beauty contest of dealing with the public reactions to what and say never seems to, to get, get the kind of proper. but i would call technical review of that one hopes that you would get. and of course it's difficult to do that in a journal or stick environment, but i certainly feel good. every thing i conclude it turned out to be absolutely

correct. and the more you, when i revisit it, i just see more and more details that get together. so even though oscar aside, the oscars were handed out to documentary is that said they were chemical attacks. yeah. the new york times. um, uh uh, did they have, there's a video branch that they now have and uh, the people that are to have no idea what they're doing. survey, you know, they tell her story videos and by selectively and showing the pictures they control on each story. they want and there seems to be no control over, you know, ground truth and i find it rather shocking, but the new york times has really become an extraordinarily unreliable source on anything that's international. well, of course it was the media celebrating the $75.00. yeah. right. kind of

a 3 or 5 nato held in washington with all these will. the lead is propaganda. machine info flow. what do you think of the state of nature was all the journalist including those when the new york times a swans around saying now is the time to confront russia, china, iran? i don't know how many other countries as well, 1st of all there's, there's a delusion, every aspect of this whole thing. because if you look at the ukraine war and i've been following the on the date daily basis, be the russians are overwhelming. the ukranian forces and they are inflicting tremendous casualties on these forces. and it is clear that the russian strategy it is to cause a tremendous amount of attrition on the craning and forces leading to

a weakening so great that when russia bend chooses to go on the off ends on offerings, in this case to be just take territory because they're not trying to take territory, what they're trying to do is reduce ukrainian forces to, to, to a shell of 2 or 2 ghost of what they were and verify treating very well. i think they're probably 550000 casualties. and the credit in force and bullies are, it's hard to know what the russian casualties are, but they are much lower in spite of going to the doctor. and the reason for that, there are numerous reasons for that. the russians have complete control of the air over the line of combat, which means that they can deliver munitions anywhere. there's a need for a powerful bomb of some kind to destroy the fortified position.

and they have a $10.00 to $1.00 advantage in artillery. and artillery is the big chart in this kind of war, about 60 or 70 percent of the casualties are typically caused by artillery not, not done pardons. and this is just tremendous advantage. and artillery is, is profound because nato nato cannot produce much more than 30000 or maybe 40000 a 155 millimeter howitzer shelves. a month right now in russia is producing 10 times round. got back. been in charles, which of course are under the lincoln, i'm sure to which of course anthony blinking secretary of state would say and has

been saying at the nato conference in washington this week. that's why and he himself is a consultant before becoming secretary of state. west exec anons consultancy defense companies said we're going to give f sixteens to control. yeah. as well as the aaa of defense systems. so how will that change the conflict? well, partner most of the banking should go a little bit of well doesn't unfortunately, but we have 16 is not going to make any difference at all as far as i control the uh it's it, it doesn't have a lot of, i mean it has significant the ability to carry bombs, but it's, you know, russian air defenses become dominant in this area and they shoot down claims like prison in the air. 16 is not going to be any better. and avoid being shot down

then a relatively, uh, modern uh, no, russian or sylvia jet. if you want to call the draft that does the gradients. i've been trying to operate. numerical rep will be destroyed on the tarmac and we're fios, which are now under regular attack. of from long range missiles, yes, explains, will be shot down over the horizon from beyond the horizon of the russian air defense systems. because the russians have a tightly coordinated system of airborne radar. as you know, just what are what a wax airborne warning, a control systems those radars can see. uh, we have 6 needs, uh, well beyond the curvature of yours when you're on the ground. and they can immediately send all the information to the ground uh to the ground air defense

for it to launch a very powerful giant uh, interceptor. second flight, we can reach out to maybe almost 400 kilometers and engage have 6 name that we have 6 name is not even good or no, it's under attract. what's gonna happen is this uh, this giant dealership it will fly at 1st under a ballistic trajectory. trading the altitude for speed and it will not turn on it's determining right or until the very light time. and it will be arriving at such high speed. the pilot will not even know they are under attack or even if they know they're under attack, people have no time at all to react. and the russians have been using this very successfully to shoot down the ukrainian aircraft. but asterix the, it is not going to be any more impervious to this, then uh then the,

the aircraft that the gradients have already been using the, so all the, all the applause in washington when i 1st just wasting taxpayer dollars of nato countries, then you would say, i mean, if you believes it in ski rush or deliberately hit the children's hospital in the past few days, if you believe, prob, again, the media liked the bbc, comcast sky, news, cnn, and all these kinds of propaganda stations. they say actually russia is famed for its poor targeting during this ukraine war. and that's why the children's hospital was his because the russian say it was ukrainian defense has been hit the children's hospital so catastrophic. well, i mean it's, it's hard to know my, my guess is that this building was unfortunately hit with a russian rock. that's my guess. i want. i want to use the word. yes. and the reason i believe that is not because of any videos i've seen of rockets coming in

the x direction, some pretty interesting videos of these cruise missiles arriving. but that's because the level of damage at the local level is much larger than you would expect from an air defense interceptor. hitting the building. i'm going to collapse the whole building, whatever it. and now wherever i was intentional or not, i don't believe for a minute or 2nd that it was intention. and we certainly have situations like what occurred as the rest, the co where these are a tak, i'm eunice, ease uh, uh, bomb like, uh, dropping the missiles that were fired, sylvester po of children injured a large number of people on the beach. and i don't believe that was intended, but i think it would be the comes up supply by the united states. uh,

that killed all those civilians killed or injured a 100 people in the on that crime in beach was because they were trying to attack civilian target downtown. so basketball because daily the u. s. u. k. you back for your great new pauses are attacking civilian targets in belgrade and elsewhere. the russians say they're attacking military facilities and deny, of course, that it was a russian as well. and i actually looked at the trajectories involved and i tend to agree that it looks like the, the re vessel that dropped the bomb lights on the beach was very likely heading toward the north central region of sylvester pole, which is not a military area. and so i don't think the russians were clear enough on the trajectories of reason coming rockets, but what i could tell based on what was said and, and, and from the locations of the launch points and the accident to

atrocity if you want to call it right um does, it does appear that the rockets were a civilian areas and one of them got hit the damage. the others were apparently shut down, but one of them got damaged and fell short and released all these bonbons and faster. but also if you were shooting at a further south of that downtown area, if you're shooting at that area, there's an inlet where uh, russian uh, naval vessels. uh, what would be the morgue. and but what, i don't know why you would shoot at those naval vessels using bomblets because the bomb, let's just land on the decks of the vessels and exploding the fear. if there's, if there's crew on the back though, you know, kill or injure them, but they won't destroy the ships, not at all. present here know past, i'll stop you that more from the full,

my scientific advice engine depends because naval operations chief after this great the the welcome back to going on the right not affiliated with the mit professor emeritus of science technology. and it's a natural security involvement, scientific advisor to defend against naval operations, chief professor, tempo. so, you know, you were saying in part one about the children's hospital attack, you were talking about the attack him to attack him, cry me a as regards targeting all of these nato nation weapons and this 75th anniversary party week in washington, dc. does the united states have boots on the ground in ukraine to target? these miss, i'll say, with the one that uh, killed or injured a 100 people on

a beach civilians on a beach. is there m a 6 on the ground? is it special forces? i have no way of knowing, i would put it past the either the c i a or among ships to be on the ground. unfortunately, both of those agencies have a long history of being a rogue government or both the rich and americans. and we have no secret c i a, which is now interfering with the western press. i mean, these guys are, you know, paying journalists to what evidence would you have to say a thing west the journalist, the journalists, i know i have to say, i mean, i spent the long time in the bbc they would do the c i is meeting with no need for any extra money. well, like i have, i'm thinking of the group that i tangled with the this guy you tell me and higgins . so that in cash for to pay for, you know,

here's this organization called bell and god. and it's just a bunch of people for making it up as the go along and very have money. so my understanding from outside sources into a big not be correct. i don't, i don't know where this money would be coming from a to support a group of people like this, but to live it. they've attacked this program while we invite any of higgins on any time to task about to, to answer about where is the source of funding is what you said. the attack comes that hit the beach in crimea will look to target to the civilian areas. me as a vast apple with this of needed targeting. i know you said that the patriot missile batteries many more which of which are going to be sent according to the nature conference in washington dc. this we, they need us boots on the ground to help with the targeting. i'll be honest with

you. i, i don't know about the types of patriots i need to be banned by people who are trained. and it's hard for me to understand a loose operator use patriot units. if 0 or not you know, the gradients to have to be trained in the training does take some time. and the destruction of patriot units about the russians which has been going on for quite a while, almost certainly kills a lot of people who operate these air defense systems. so i don't know whether ukrainians are getting retrain personnel now maybe they get them trained out. so i had of time expecting them to die. i just don't know. now you'll one of the world's preeminent military. uh, scientists, you know, not like dr. strange love though. i know that people can watch our interview with the, with the sandy group. it's daughter on our own channel. uh you, uh, we've had

a string of film or us military officials. horrified about the attack on russia's nuclear, early warning systems. what was your 1st thoughts when you heard or are related? so these are the landscapes troops. as an ascii soul, just had targeted rushers early warning. you to systems are actually immediately immediately wrote to jeffrey sachs a. oh, yeah. and then copied a whole bunch of people because of the i was in the street. well, jeffrey sachs advises the the, the show and he was horrified to you as well. he advised as the secretary general of you. and so i wanted to make sure that jeffrey knew so that he could alert the secretary general and whatever mechanisms have it could be. one could be for that you know, activated. but i have been studying the russian early warning system for

decades. it's not the only thing i do. thank god, but uh uh, it stems from a concern i had from the days i was in the pentagon because i was in the pentagon and i was very suspicious that the russian early warning system was not up to the job. when i was independent on it, i didn't trust the intelligence i received. it just didn't look right. and way, late, many years later, i analyze the, i'm a false alert accident that occurred in russia. and to a series of detailed analyses, it became clear that the russians did not have a space based global surveillance system. now let me explain what that means. united states, it has satellites. what are called geosynchronous orbit? so those orbits are in high altitude and the orbital rotation is once every 24

hours along with your below. so the satellite appears to be stationary over. oh, oh, you know, above the ground courses, it's very far out. it's about 40000 kilometers in space. and the satellite looks down and it could see the hot exhaust boom of a vessel wanted to watch over ballistic missile when it's watch. so for example, if the united states lost one of its fairly wandering radars, we could immediately use the satellites to determine that nothing was happening happening in that potential attack card. russians do not have use capability. it is not because they haven't tried and i have a lot of detailed analysis and historical data that shows they made a significant effort. and incidentally, it's not because they don't know what they're doing. i've been

a whole bunch of russian satellite experts. it was very clear to me that they're all good. they're beautiful, is extremely high, your scientific capabilities, but they don't have the electronics. and they to read the fencing technologies that they need to be able to look down straight at the ground and, and, and see the small signal from a rocket pool against the bright reflections of sunlight of cloud tops. so filter, they completely defended only is there any warnings? i mean you don't, you think it was a, is a landscape marshals and landscape both because not elected anymore evolution reflections. it was a ukrainian or as off nazi align the group tactic rather than any kind of collaboration with abiding administration with shortly relative countenance such a strength it's, it's hard for me to know because we're dealing with actors. so are really largely

ignorant. and i mean, i include mr. blake and mr. barton and mr. sullivan, i've dealt with whitehouse people over the years and they never, they never know anything about the us. early warning says the get along the russians. they just don't know. they don't get reached on it. for reasons, there is a whole lot of discussion about government failures, of government communication into internal communication. part of the reason i asked jeffrey to uh cuz he has people you can contact at the white house that he tells them immediately. they talk to, you know, they send the information to the white house, because i doubt that anybody in the white house understood how dangerous this attack on this radar was. because the russians would have no ability to understand what could be happening in that particular direction. i mean,

how capable is the united states for all its early warning using the satellites? and they've actually been reliant on the law must sell increasingly lately, because it got seem to launch the satellites of intercepting how cable is the united states of intercepting a russian nuclear warhead. in any case, i know they said that the north korean miss, i'll was um, invincible, against current to us, we are okay with the united states actually with united states has no capability to ship any ballistic. much in some sense. that's why when people talk about all these hypersonic missiles, a new, you know, for a long range attack. so i kind of laughed to myself because i said they can't intercept the ballistic missiles with care. so that offers on it. so it doesn't need to be a console this uh with the new pay or, i mean the united states has no defenses against no, none at all. do you, how does that come to be that you are uh, you are g scientist and the advisor,

the pentagon, there you are naval operations didn't no one think under reagan and success of presidents. this might be something that needed to be looked at rather than the projects when you were plains with uh, does that never worked well. i mean, at the long range ballistic missile defenses, missiles that are, are flying in space against the united states. if were you were attacked would, would be in the near vacuum of space and you're going to be in high altitude then in that environment. a rock in the center will travel together because there's no error than amick drag to cause a heavy object is a light object to slow up relative to a heavy object. so all you need to do is put the balloon up. you know, it doesn't even have to have the shape of a warhead, because all you see from a distance is a, is a spot of, of a warm, you know,

a warm signal. i shouldn't be the same professor, but of course the chinese balloon was because we are talking about again and we always say, well, you tries, that's how the chinese balloon goes over. then the met website has which i need school it. right. and so the, you know, a belong and you can have hundreds of balloons, company, each, ballistics, whereas it's very, very easy to make for space. and it can wait, track ounces or, you know, few ounces. and the system has no way of understanding what it's looking at. okay, well finally a very, very briefly then if the united states isn't uh, is destroyed beforehand and you, capitals, you expect, certainly the ukraine in its present form will not exist after the current uh, complex is over and, and you believe that you realize all this because there's no room for independent thoughts and in washington at the moment. well, i could use nato. the way i see the nato celebration which i've been watching,

part of, which is a kind of feel sick and no one i've watched is because i see these people deluding themselves into believing that they winning a war and that they have already lost. there's no question they've lost it. you don't terms of, you know, russians could be any time decide to take the rest of you. great. it would be very fast because there's no army left english. but actually, it's a way to continue destroying the final remnants of ukrainian army. so when they choose to take the rest of your grant, they'll, they'll be minimal. russian casualty, that's what they're trying to do to keep your cache and things that make sense from their point of view. so i'm looking at this new grade, the celebration and in, in washington. and it's, it's, it's, it's kind of disgusting, to be honest because these are people who are in positions of responsibility. they

make decisions that costs human lives. does human lives are not only ukrainian or russian such as a war that is going on now for no purpose? because it's over russians can and that any time they choose, i'm just knocking down what's left of the door and walking through. and then you have a president is already uh, i mean it's very clear to you. it's not competent cuz it's got something seriously wrong with him. and, and i wonder how much is going on before it's become very clear. because when he talks about his record of behavior, it's kind of astonishing. you know, he's bragging about converting nato from a defensive organization, which it was up until the 19 late 19 eighties, 1990. 2,

a highly regressive offer to organization that has caused a war that did not have to happen where a tremendous number of people are being killed and injured. in any talks, you got an interview just a few days earlier where he actually presented himself as, as the leader of the world is managing the whole world. he actually said this, i just cringe when he said this and then i'm thinking of of, of, of record yahoo in gaza drums is knows i by weight by you makes an empty statement. stop killing all these innocent people because i mean, he has no influence of any time. and again, he's the best himself that is big important figure, who has the oldest control? and if he starts a war with china,

now i want to go out of my way to make this point. the united states will lose that war professor that also thank you. and that's for the show. i'll continue to condolences to those brief by nature nation on genocide will be back on monday to ask about palestine sex move with palestine. school more invested us to washington and jobs and keep in touch. why? why social media, if it's not such a new a country and had to a channel going underground to be a normal, don't come to it. you know, that type of going undergrad to monday. the the recognize give us a rough day school study question. like just the way it is us on some of the 5 you have to list to before you start a new chest. this is gonna be on

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