amani is here at the top of the hour, he's got more details on more and goes on more analysis stick around, we are next to the the welcome to wealth of parts for centers. central asia has been both a coverage of price and in federal grounds. and the increased power of rivalry, serving as a graveyard of empires, but also struggling to develop and prosper on its own terms as the focal point in the battle for your res at moved west for to ukraine with the devastating

consequences for the latter. how do central asian nation from manage to being at the crossroads of global politics? we'll discuss that. i'm now in joined by part of it 5 s and what's the associated fell at the david canada international foundation in your daily doctor in good stay . it's a great honor for me and a great pleasure to talk to thank you very much for being here. thank you for having me here. now, in the 20th century, it was sooner fashionable among historians and strategists, to stress central asian central asia, critical position. it was believed that whoever controls this vast region would have the resources and the military power to control the world. does it still apply in this day and age, the sort of do a strategic significance of the region? or i think the ventilation still holders, the us started you a position in the region. but i think that a, all of the good game has gone. uh, these countries are very well aware of their uh,

what level it is as well as districts. so now what they are doing, they're trying to use their position to gain more and more from the different follows, which have the a intention to expand that influencing central issue. now we are talking here about 5 stance context on care just on those becca standards. biggest on inter menaced under which were once part of the soviet union . and as you mentioned in many of your articles, they have always focused on pursuing a so called multi competitor foreign policy. i mean, they're still doing that regardless of the war in your brain, but given that the distance between those various vectors has increased dramatically. how has their approach changed? there has been a lot of big end uh, sales this uh, computer has started. so these countries have been in the line late,

it is mostly the western age and just to get something out of the ventilation country don't they? i, i have already mentioned in most of the articles that they follow that might do it the foreign policy and they're doing it even though they haven't uh, criticize a ratio for what they were uh it is doing and they haven't supported it. they have on the given the statements about having the post will be filled, the allusion to the conflicts and all. but at the same time, what i know of the send pollution countries cooperation with the russia has deepened, in contrast to look the rest and plus they've generally less than i do have been going on like a she has a decreasing influence indonesia, though i don't believe in that, i've seen that fuss staying with a shot record that signed a oh, that's the so this uh, cooperation has deepened. uh then uh, like, uh, an auction in drawing things and alicia a decrease in other countries like i got this done was reg is done to clean is done

. they have been more vocal about uh, you know, uh, expressing their interest when it comes to uh, made up i live in water bank, but that is what i show. but there does china with 30 for vist. dave, on this country used to focus on what the central leasing country want more than what this country is, one from defend ashmond now and the at the same time they continue building the ties with the west. last here we fitness, the witness, the 1st, the ever central asian leaders summit taking place in new york with us present, joe biden being present. he also wrote about the visit of the french president crohn to the region. so when do you seeing those countries a um looking for and their relationship with the west and what is the west uh hoping to achieve their see, i think the west has been like both swing insulation with offend pollution countries seem to collapse of so we're doing anything signed to 91,

their primary agenda in the region was to go to take care of the security threats emanating from the us. i'm going to start inspection, but the scenario has to, at least you know, now this installation countries, they don't want to discuss just the, there's no security issue of the best they want to discuss. meaning, do they want to discuss creek being in or do they want to discuss a climate change? they want to discuss a trade and economic investment until i live the west understand that they should engage with defend dimensions are due on these lines 30. so security issues and uh, discussions on that that is an on going to like be beneficial for the rest. the main agenda of the west is just to confirm uh, contest, russian and chinese engagements. and alicia, and i think that is not good send them isn't going to the they they,

they understand that the size they are pursuing them or do it the foreign policy. they want to have relations with the restaurant with china and with the rest. or you can not come to offend delays. yeah. and just to bash a showing of china. i think given in sonia times, the political or a governing culture in central asia was notably in different from the one in, in ukraine. there were from war risk averse. i thing, do you think the perception of risk of that calculation of risk has changed in any way since i think they are now in a position to take risks. and the one reason why they, i've no like trying to take this is because we see up on the do regional integration very mean send them issue. you have seen a lot of of fee if i plus $1.00 of meetings in the cynthia. so they can do 3 of we

have seen a lot of meetings in that for me that having a meeting with the, the us with the jo. many with that i shared with china with india that shows that they are trying to showcase themselves as a single entity they, they try it and not bringing the domestic and by the 3rd disputes into data, broader vision symbols. now you mentioned this, there are many meetings within this uh, new form or the all 5 c, 5 rice. do those meetings actually lead to any substantive results? because it's one thing to meet with joe biden and discuss whatever. but does these actually materialize in any projects? on the ground, i think yes it is. i will give you an exam um, but from like in the us and delicious. i mean, most of the proposals that have been made in the declaration signed in delhi that discarded the declaration. most of the proposals have been already full feet. they

uh, they were uh proposal to have a joint working group on job a high port. and then we'll join a proposal for joingotomeeting refundable. done this, done the meeting of the initial security anyway. this of indiana's and the reason that is already have been done. so i think this woman has the quality that the highest level. so most of the commitment made in the us us. i mean, it is uh, being a taken care of. and i think that has to happen with the us simulation format also because uh, most of the thing that the most problem is that uh in uh, in that uh, summit us is taking steps though not on a larger scale, but they, they are taking uh, interest to fulfilled those companies. now you have written before that the focus of the, of the mini or the emphasis of that meeting shifted from, let's say security is just something formal, concrete, something that is off and you know, immediate interest to, to,

to those nations. um, but i think the, the biggest one is that both restaurant is almost in china have is the, the united states would use those projects to, you know, invest a little bit in those nations and them use them both as a tool and as a platform for a big power arrival every do you think there's any appetite among those nations to be played like this to, you know, following the ukranian foot steps. i don't think so because of the way order and the speed that rush the united states. uh for low as it comes through it engaged when with the installation of countries they speed have been very slow. most of the projects that has been uh, initiated on that issue with uh, uh, with the, with united states of supports. those have been delayed, delayed for a very long time. on the contrary, we see what chinese are doing. wordpress site is doing that as more prompt,

and they have some uh, staging benefits for this information going through. so they know that until unless that is uh, you know, be the implementation of our projects. we support over, i signed up for the us and uh a vist. uh, until then i think uh there are uh create uh interest in united this dental invest in a policy. it's not going to be that big. now i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think both russian to some extent china have become somewhat more assertive in their foreign policy, but also at the same time, more accommodating towards the neighbor. so they are far more careful about, you know, the diplomatic language that they use about how they're doing. medic moves can be interpreted. they're trying to show respect to go out of that way to show public

respect. have you noticed a similar change in the american side because for the americans? traditionally, you know, the demonstrative aspect of the policy is usually very important and then they tend to be arrogant. the times have they change the ways in order to pour this middle or smaller nations depends on what exactly the us wants from intuition. we need to understand their main object to time that i think time to time it has changed. so there mean or get to uh, when it comes to that even more than defend donasia directly just to counter russia . and i think this innovation countries are very well aware of the fact. and they've tried to use that uh, notion for their own benefit. they're trying to, uh, be good relations with the vets or with the united states to get some investment

there being a good trader is because, uh, traditionally they have very good treating physicians. it's a lot of many bizarre as many trading ways and, you know, those people here to pursue the, you know, and not so much i don't want you, but that own benefit that they use it. the reason for such as a bad thing about this is my of the vision. i think i have what i have seen, that they are trying to utilize this a situation for their own benefit. and i think it is also proven to be a little a positive do for them, because now the reason is more uh, you know, uh uh, it is a walking uh to beta as 5 sent relation going to the them for the single entity. okay, well dr. good, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. agent. the

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the welcome back towards the part with time ashcroft associated fellow at the beginning on the international foundation in your daily doctor goes to i. i ask you primarily about the united states from the western side, but there was a, i mean, the police historically, there has always been another influential western player. i'm talking about great britain here. so does it play and your role in their original affairs these days? because that influence tends to be historically, if they sent it to be less visible, but sometimes from low but malicious, at least as far as the frustrates concerned. i think even the great britain or the british india, they didn't have any data to interesting central issue. their main intention was to contain a restaurant admins solid and russian expansion coming nearer to

a gun border. they literally varied, so they didn't care much about uh, data environment with defend talisha. however, the main intention was to, uh, you know, go to the best option expansion. how do you understand this? uh, sort of for historical rigidity because i think russia has made efforts to manage ties, not only with the west as large, but it's been typically story with great britain. i think, by the way, i put his 1st visit as a like back in 2000 west to great britain because he wanted to bury these historical hatchet them yet for some reason. while you describe how adaptive central asian countries have been to the changing geo political landscape, the, his still a to towards the restaurant, the west seems to be very stable. why? i think it is because of the defense of ideologies. the problem with the vest is

like, uh, what they, what they say should be in the integrated by the other that of these somebody already complex that lesson less, i'm going to, it has for a very, very long thing and their own they, they're also not able to absolve the other countries and watching as great both, they cannot make the lead politically or culturally as well. and i think with the russia, this has been uh, like even after so many are focused on the russian side. they haven't been able to come in to them for the session. i don't live because i think like india but actually is also see relation state and vis. vis, done a concept up. see, relation is universalism. they have a problem with the china as well to define movies. do you know, find some negotiating process the, the china,

and they're not able to have that sustained. and he wants to be china because the, some of the dependent on change. but that's not gave with the, with the russian. now, you mentioned in the as, as realization state and india has its own interest in, in the region. i have read you writing and one of the articles that you believe that there is the sort of a senior genetic uh, overlap in, in, in cultural i know irish in between india and, and the region. what exactly do you mean? what are some of their cultural overlays there in then simulation naturally bought us for a very, very long time. like a uh, can i just got an evidence of such as that they indefinitely see relation which is almost 5500 to a 4. they had gone tax with the accessibility religious and the we have found the uh, evidence on both sides via phone uh the of the fairly uh,

objects in, in the us. let me see what that additional same level we have phone the end of the objection of this policy related to the has been lack of a focus on college. go uh will research in when it comes to will send alicia back. at the same time, you mentioned that the and the full potential alpha, you know, it can all make or even a cultural, political ties between this region and your culture has not been fully realized. what is standing in the way? so the historical cultural linkage is that we have with the region and that continued, it was continuous process until 1947 when the india was uh, 5 percent, then this done became an independent country. so connectivity became a mutual hard to and i think we have been trying a lot to, to get the data next to the send to lucian countries. and because the good really

that we have in a send delays. yeah. it makes, it gives us a very favorable pollution in the research. yes. but at the same time, there are many other partners involved to the main of which is of course china with which india has sometimes a somewhat 10 years relationship. so how do thing is indian approach is different from that of china, specifically in this region? what engagement with defend delays, she cannot be seen with the prism of what other countries are doing. reading the work. yeah, you do not exist in an isolated the environment. i mean, it, everything affects everyone affects everyone. so but see this is the defense like the other countries where they dis, especially china, it has some sort of em fee pretensions when, when it comes to in the engagement with the symbolism countries on the content in

the i think it will send. alicia does not have any political agenda via and that sort of partners, and we want to reconnect with that region that i do would be the major challenge. we have been trying a lot to to get to going back to the country we haven't unless we invested in any info job a higher and we have been promoting the internet and also don ford go to door and i think within uh, within the last uh in the laundry kid we have seen on uh a port tragic check. i did 3 in india and alicia relations. the of the didn't have any platform for the bilingual and my director discussion and debate. but in 4 or 5 years we have seen v. india has dialogue and discussion with this installation guarantees on multiple levels, v stockton or the initiated the summit with the installation countries before china . we did it in 2022. they didn't do until 2023 at the,

even when 2022 when we announced that we'll have somebody with this innovation leader just before uh, that 4 or 5 days before that, china had one custom of the somebody with this information. so it shows that they have some apprehensions with the india and why, because we have so much good will in the region and we seem very positive and that, but that was the region really wants is not as good the world they want the firm investments does india have enough uh to offer in, in, in a practical sense, i think, yes, uh, this is a, uh, uh, 80 of and we have a little uh, problem. we haven't been able to utilize our flute attention. and i think when it comes to india as a investment ends and alicia data, a lot of a misconception in, in, in indian business entities level of in this i would say because of the,

our relationship had been very slowly uh, evolving. so the reason has been under already uh, like mis conceptual uh, film. well, the business entities would not uh, very short about having some potential investment potential and defend division going to. but we have seen a now that they have know very well uh, entity in buy this installation of business entities. and for the, for that the government is also taking a lot of interest here. do we have in depth and duration of just calling to see that we have a business going sale on by a, by the 3rd base, easily little bit gets done with the contract that's done. so we have been trying to improve our image as a, as a cannot make partner of this installation can do that. and i think that i have some fun to do uh, indication and i hope there will be more than more investment from india to send them isn't going to do that in future. there is also, uh, one more

a trans continental access. and that is between moscow and new delhi, and certainly essentially the asian countries would benefit from more trade, especially a logistical projects between the, our big nations. but i think there is an opinion here in russia that it would perhaps require a little bit more political well on the indian side to um, you know, sort of be a little bit more open about, uh its uh, uh, cooperation with russia of this very difficult your political moment, do you think and do you see it coming from the indian side or in the see if this to risk perhaps at this point of time. so all are going to do with the nature to it that it is and also transport quite a large output. so eat on. so for the transit of the country and the, the problem that it on has with the best it has been hindering. uh,

some developments on those uh, projects, though, the travel add port was on the lake exempted from the uh, less than sanctions. but the business uh, or the investment or business uh entities. they have a lot of confusion that is like 2 using to have a headboard and they will also uh, why do you feel like we have one year contract with it on the devil of job i bought and we wanted to have a long term uh, contact to make more uh, investment in, uh, developing job i bought. and i, i think now we have was already signs of any uh, agreement to eat on the level of chat live phone. and that is a very uh good news and it will do both to in the job. and once this java harvey be utilized to its full potential, i think this will also be able to allow us to your touch upon the very interesting

and potentially um there are riskier uh, seeing that as the interconnection between the politics and economy. because uh, there have been a lot of discussion about the energy security about diverse, the vacation of supply routes, uh, from central asia. and uh, for example of building uh additional uh, pipelines for transporting is its hydrocarbons. but do you think, given, for example, of what happened with the north stream given the political a risks associated with the energy projects? do you think there is an appetite for um, lets say building a new pipeline to bring the energy sources to your let's take the case of torque when it's done. it has huge. uh, gas. it is of and i think it is one of the most uh, 90 percent of the wind gas laws to china and to clean the cleaners. don's dependence on the stein is uh,

the vin news is too much and they have been trying to day, we'll see if i uh their uh, export. but they do not have any option, as they uh proposed that tons of gas being uh biplane, than they would have been one under fee biplane to connect with the division. so then they can uh, transfer the gas plaza vision to you. there has been a lot of uh, promotion on oh, there's been a lot of talk, talk about it and they will also a lot of support from the united states. the, like, i'll do it the that project, this link novia so that they've done to the other day. so they have to be, they're trying to diversify their exports. but because there are some structural issues and lack of a financial lift office, they haven't been able to implement the ultimate, they way to risk. i mean, given what happened to, you know, and now that pipeline big gas pipelines,

bringing gas to europe. if something like this couldn't be eliminated the, you know, on a political, per text or for on known political reasons. and don't you're seeing that there is there, there are additional political risk associated with energy part acts like this. at this point. i think yes and this the lake but offended it is about the best interest if they want to have a send delays, she has an energy. then i think the, this is a little depleted and the precondition to that in those projects would be so if i fussed to you will have those projects then only you will be able to transport uh gas or on. but if you only uh, talk about of having a, uh, and ideally so say then export thing important and on. but on, on the ground you have to think they, i guess the point of my question is that in,

in the past there was a lot of talk about the reliability of the supplier of energy sources. but what about the route? reliability of the buyer, don't you think that is also an issue in this day and age? because with china, for example, if china investing in your energy sources, you may like, if you may know like it, but the real trust that they, they and they will, you know, make sure that these projects exist. whereas where the west can you be just as sure that the, you know, the deal is a deal. i think i fully agree to your point. there is no answer to that. yes. when it comes to reliability and the geographical proximity that definitely agent has with the rest. obviously there is a sense of uh, a fee. but the, this particular involved with the, this project with a lot of whatnot. n is the invest and i live well in this sense or not because when it comes to invest, they have their own precondition, they have their own avail for thinking. so i don't thing that comes through,

especially in case of sample is. yeah. and that's supporting their resources to that each of especially and identification they under liability if shortly a question that they need to us. well, definitely look there. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time . thank you so much and thank you for watching hope to hear again on walter part the

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