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the welcome to wealth of parts for centuries, central asia has been both a coverage of price and in federal ground in the increased power of rivalry, serving as a graveyard of empires, but also struggling to develop and prosper on its own terms. as the focal point in the battle for your raise at move to westport to ukraine with the devastating consequences for the latter. how the central asian nation for managed i being at the crossroads of global politics. or to discuss that i'm now joined by part of it 5 s with the associated fellow at the dbi canada international foundation in new delhi. dr. goofed a. it's

a great honor for me. the great pleasure to talk to thank you very much for being here. thank you for having me here. now, in the 20th century, it was sooner fashionable among historians and strategists, to stress central asian central asia or critical position. it was believed that whoever controls this vast region would have the resources and the military power to control the world doesn't still apply in this day and age, the sort of do a strategic significance of the region. i think uh, ventilation. i still hold of the us started the position in the region, but i thing that it all of the grid game has, uh, gone. uh, these countries are very well aware of their uh, liability, as well as the desk trends. so now what they are doing, the trying to use their permission to gain more and more from the defend follows, which have the

a intention to expand that influence in central issue. now we are talking here about 5 stance context on karen just donna's becca standards. biggest on inter medicine to reach were once part of the soviet union. and as you mentioned in many of your articles, they have always focused on pursuing a so called multi debit or foreign policy. i mean, they're still doing that regardless of the war in your brain. but given that the distance between those various inductors has increased dramatically. how has the approach changed? there has been a lot of both big and sales this uh, content has started. so these countries have been in the line like a this mostly the rest and age and just to get something out of the ventilation country. you know, the, i, i have already mentioned in most, hopefully i think of the, the follow that might do with the foreign policy and they're doing it even though they haven't picked the size or i show for what they were uh it is doing. and they

haven't supported it, they have all the, given the statements about having the post will be filled out of the lucian to the conflicts and on. but at the same time, what i know of the send deletion countries cooperation with the russia has deepened . in contrast to look the rest and plus i have general less than i do have been going on like a she has decreasing and things international. i don't believe in that. i've seen that fust stain with a shot records. i've signed a oh, that's the so this uh, cooperation has deepened. uh then uh, like, uh, an auction in drawing things and alicia, a decrease in other countries like i got this done, was biggest on the, when it's done, they have been more volk or about, uh, you know, uh, expressing their interest when it comes to, uh, may jump, i live in waterbury, but that is what i show, but there it is. china with the best deal of one of these countries to focus on

what the central leasing countries want more than well, this country is one from defend ashmond. now and the at the same time, they continue building the ties with the west. last, here we fitness, the witness, the 1st, the ever central asian leaders summit taking place in new york with us president joe biden being present. he also wrote about the visit of the french president mcclung to the region. so when do you seeing those countries uh uh, looking for in their relationship with the west and what is the west uh hoping to achieve their see. i think the west has been like both swing insulation with offend pollution. countries seem to class on so we are doing anything signed in 91. their primary agenda in the region was to go to take care of the security tests and everything from the us. i'm going to start inspection, but the scenario has to, at least, you know, now defend the listen countries they don't want to discuss just the,

there's no security issue of the divest. they want to discuss. meaning, do they want to discuss creek getting in or do they want to discuss climate change? they want to discuss a trade and economic investment until i live the west understand that they should engage with defend dimensions are due on these lines 30. so security issues and the discussions on that, that is an on going to like be beneficial for the rest the the main agenda of the vist is just to confront uh, contest, russian and chinese engagements and police. and i think that is an ongoing send. them isn't going to the they they, they understand that the size they are pursuing them or do a different policy. they want to have relations with the restaurant with china and with the rest or you can not come to offend delays. yeah. and just to bash a showing of china, i think,

given in sonia times the political or governing culture in central asia was notably in different from the one in, in ukraine. there were far more risk averse. i thing, do you think the perception of risk calculation of risk has changed in any way since i think they are now in a position to take risks. and the one reason why they, i've know of like trying to take this is because we see up on the do regional integration very mean send them issue. do you have seen a lot of, uh, sci fi plus one of meetings in the cynthia, so they can do 3 as we have seen a lot of meetings in that for me that having a meeting with the, the us with the jo. many with that i shared with china with india that shows that they are trying to showcase themselves as a single entity they,

they try it and not bringing the domestic and by the 3rd disputes into data, broader vision symbols. now you mentioned this, there are many meetings within this uh, new form or the all 5 c 5, right? do those meetings actually we to any substantive results because it's one thing to meet with joe biden and discuss whatever. but does these actually materialize in any projects? on the ground, i think yes it is. i will give you an example from like in the simulation, as i mean, most of the proposals that have been made in the declaration signed in delhi and that discarded the declaration, most of the proposals have been already 4 feet. they uh, they were uh, proposal to have a joint working group on job a high board level joint proposal for joint girlfriend. i've done this, done the meeting of the initial security the way this of indians. and the reason that is already have been done. so i think they perform,

it has the quality that'd be highest level. so most of the commitment made in the us us, i mean, it is a being a taken care of. and i think that has to happen with the us simulation format also because uh, most of the thing that the most problem is that uh in uh, in that uh, summit us is taking steps though not on a larger scale, but they, they are taking uh, interest to fulfilled those companies. now you have written before that the focus of the, of the many or the emphasis of that meeting shifted from, let's say security is just something formal, concrete, something that is off and you know, immediate interest intuitive to those nations. um, but i think the, the biggest one is that both restaurant is almost in china have as the, the united states would use those projects to, you know, invest a little bit in those nations and them use them both as a tool and as a platform for

a big power arrival every do you think there is any appetite among those nations to be played like this to, you know, following the ukranian foot steps. i don't think so because of the way order at the speed that rush the united states uh follows. aid comes through it engaged when with the ventilation countries they speed have been very slow. most of the projects that has been uh, initiated on the go with uh uh, with the us uh, united states of support. those have been delayed delayed for a very long thing. on the contrary, we see what chinese are doing. wordpress site is doing that as more prompt, and they have some uh, staging benefits for the installation going to so they know that until unless that is uh, you know, be the implementation of our projects. we support for i signed up for us and the

best uh until then i think uh they are uh create uh interest in united this dental invest in uh, policy is not going to be that big now. uh, i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think both russian to some extent china have become somewhat more assertive in their foreign policy, but also at the same time, more accommodating towards the neighbor. so they are far more careful about, you know, the diplomatic language that they use about how they're doing that equals, can be interpreted. they're trying to show respect to go out of the way to show public respect. have you noticed uh, a similar change in the american side because for the americans traditionally, you know, the demonstrative aspect of the policy is usually very important and then they tend to be arrogant the times have they change the ways in order to pour this middle or

smaller nations to think it depends on what exactly the us wants from send to me. so we need to understand their main object to find that i think time to time it has changed. so there mean or get to uh, when it comes to that even more than defend donasia directly just to counter russia . and i think these innovation countries are very well aware of the fact. and they've tried to use that uh, notion for their own benefit. they're trying to, uh, be good relations with the vest order with the united states to get some investment there being a good trader is because, uh, traditionally they have very good trading physicians. it's a lot of many bizarre as many trading ways and, you know, those people here to pursue the, you know, not so much i don't want you, but that own benefit that they use it. the reason for such as and then doing that, this is my of the vision. i think i have what i have seen,

that they are trying to utilize this a situation for their own benefit. and i think it is also proven to be linked to uh, wants to do for them because now the reason is more uh, you know, uh uh, it is a walking uh to beta as 5 sent relation going to the them for the single entity. okay, well the book, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments to attend the . there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the or excuse the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also a pursuit. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on that. we have very close propaganda. you know,

a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask the better the answer is will be the come back towards the parts with time. as proof the associated fellow at the canada international foundation in new delhi. dr. group the i, i ask you primarily about the united states from the western side, but there was a, i mean, that was historically, there has always been another influential western player. i'm talking about great britain here. so does it play and your role in their original affairs these days?

because uh that implants tends to be historically it's based on to, to be less visible, but sometimes from low but malicious, at least as far as the brochure is concerned. i think even the great britain or the british india, they didn't have any direct to interesting sense. alicia, their main intention was to continue russia admins solid and russian expansion coming near to a gun border. they literally varied. so they didn't care much about a data environment with defend felicia. however, the main intention was to, uh, uh, you know, gone past russian expansion. how do you understand this? uh, sort of for historical rigidity because i think russia has made efforts to manage ties. not only with the west, uh, a large, but specifically story with great britain. i think, by the way, put his 1st visit as a like back in 2000 was to great britain because he wanted to bury these historical

hatch at them yet. for some reason. while you describe how adaptive central asian countries have been to the changing to a political landscape, the has still are to towards the restaurant, the west seems to be very stable. why? i think it is because of the defense of ideologies. the problem with the rest is uh like, uh, what they, what they say should be it rated by the other that of these somebody already complex that with the rest i'm going to have for a very, very long thing. and they're all, they, they're also not able to absolve the other countries and watching as great both economically, politically or culturally as well. and i think with the russia, this has been, uh, like even off to so many are focused on the russian side. they haven't been able to

come in to them for the session. i don't live because i think like india but actually is also see what i use in state and vis. vis done a concept up, see what ligation is even worse than if they have a problem with the china as well to define movies. do you know, find uh, some negotiating process with the china and they're not able to have that suspend and you must have to be china because the, some of the defendant will change. but that's not gave with the, with the session. now you mentioned in the as a civilization state and india has its own interest in, in the region. i have read to you writing and one of the articles that you believe that there is a sort of a senior, derek, uh, overlap in, in, in cultural uh, similarity between india and, and the region. what exactly do you mean? what are some of their cultural overlays there in the, in central asia,

a natural populace for a very, very long time, like uh, they call evidence of such as that they indefinitely see relation which is almost 5500 to us or they had contact with the accessibility of the largest and the we have found the uh, evidence on both sides via phone. uh, the offer fairly uh, uh, objects in, in us. well, it seemed like this in the same level. we have found the end of objects in accessibility relation that has been lack of a focus on college. the will research in when it comes to will send alicia back. at the same time, you mentioned that the, the full potential alpha, no economic, or even cultural, political ties between this region and your culture has not been fully realized. what is standing in the way. so the historical cultural linkage is that we have

with the region and that continued, it was continuous process until 1947 when the india of what uh 5 percent and about this done became an independent country. so connectivity became a mutual hard to and i think we have been trying a lot to, to get the data next to the central asian countries. and because the goodwill that we have in a send delays, yeah, it makes it gives us a very favorable position in the research. yes. but at the same time, there are many other partners involved to the main of which is of course china with which india has sometimes a somewhat 10 years relationship. so how do thing is indian approach different from that of china? specifically in this region, i would engage meant with defend delays. she cannot be seen with the prism of what other countries are doing. reading the work. yeah,

you do not exist in an isolated the environment. i mean, everything affects every one affects everyone. so, but see this is a defense like the other countries latest, especially china. it has some sort of em fee, pensions. when, when it comes to india, i think is when with this intelligent countries on the content in the i think it will send. alicia does not have any political agenda, riana sort of partners, and we want to reconnect with that region. then i think would be the major challenge. we have been trying a lot to, to get to going back to the country we haven't unless we invested in any info job a higher and we have been promoting the internet and also done support quarter door . and i think within uh, within the last in logic it we have seen on a port tragic check. i did 3 in india and alicia relation the of the didn't have

any platform for the bilingual and my director discussion and debate. but in 4 or 5 years, we have seen v. india has dialogue and discussion with this installation. countries on multiple levels, v stockton or the initiated the summit with this installation countries before china. we did it in 2022. they didn't do until 2023 at the, even when 2022, when we announced that we'll have somebody with this innovation leader just before that 4 or 5 days before that, dana had one custom of the somebody with this information. so it shows that they have some apprehensions with the india and why, because we have so much goodwill in the region and we seem very positive and that, but that what the region really wants is not as good the world they want from investments. does india have enough to offer in, in, in a practical sense?

i think yes, uh, this is a, uh, uh, 80 of and we have a little uh, problem. we haven't been able to utilize our for attention. and i think when it comes to india as a investment ends and alicia that a lot of a misconception in, in, in indian business entities level of in this i would say because of the, our relations, they have been very slowly uh, evolving. so the reason has been under already uh, like mis conceptual uh, from well, the business entities were not very sure about having some potential investment potential in defend division going to. but we have seen a now that they have know very well uh, entity in buy this installation of business entities. and for the, for that the government is also taking a lot of interest here. do we have in depth and duration of just calling? see what we have. uh we're just going sale on by

a by literally basically though jake is done with cuz i've just done so we have been trying to improve our image as a, as a nomic partner of the simulation. going to do that, and i think that i've some fun to do uh, integration and i hope there will be more than more investment from india to send them isn't going to do in the future. there is also, uh, one more, a transcontinental access, and that is between moscow and new delhi and setting a central the asian countries would benefit from more trade, especially a logistical projects between the my, our big nations. but i think there is an opinion here in russia that it would perhaps require a little bit more political well on the indian side to um, you know, sort of be a little bit more open about uh, it's uh, uh, cooperation with russia of this very difficult your political moment,

do you think and do you see it coming from the indian side or in the see if this to risk perhaps at this point of time. so all are going to do with the need to do with that. it is and also transport quite a large output, so it on. so for the transit of country and the, the problems that you don't have with the best it has been hindering. uh, some developments on those uh, projects, though, the travel had port was on the lake exempted from the list and sanctions, but the business uh or the investment or the business uh entities. they have a lot of confusion that he'd like to using to have a headboard and they will also uh, why do you feel like we have one the are going to admin it on the level of job i bought and we wanted to have a long term uh, contact to make more uh, investment in uh, developing siobhan for a night. i think now we have was already signed

a denny of agreement to eat on the deluxe i was born. and that is a very good news and i did it with you both to the job. and once this job, a higher will be utilized to its full potential. i think this will also be able to understand your touch upon the very interesting and potentially very risk you uh, seeing that as the interconnection between the politics and economy. because uh, there have been a lot of discussion about energy security, about diversification of supply routes. uh, from central asia and uh for example, building uh additional uh, pipelines for transporting is it's hydrocarbons. but do you think a given, for example of what happened with the north stream given the political a risks associated with the energy projects? do you think there is an appetite for um, lets say building

a new pipeline to bring the energy sources to your let's take the case of to when it's done. it has huge depth of, of, and i think it is one of the most uh, 90 percent of the wind gusts, laws to china and to clean the renaissance dependence on the sign is the news is too much and they have been trying to diversify uh their uh export, but they do not have any option, as they uh proposed that tons of caspian uh biplane. then they would have made it one under the biplane to connect with the division. so then the 10 a time for the gas plaza vision to you. there has been a lot of uh, promotion on well, there's been a lot of talk, talk about it and they will also

a lot of support from the united states. but ultimately that project is ling novia . so that is valid. so they have to be, they're trying to diversify their exports. but because there are some a structural issues and lack of the financial difficulties, they haven't been able to isn't uh, ultimately way to risk. i mean, given what happened to, you know, and now that pipeline, the gas pipelines, bringing gas to europe, if uh, something like this could be eliminated. uh, you know, on a political per text or for on known political reasons. and don't you think that there is um, there, there are additional political risk associated with energy part acts like this at this point. i think yes. and this the like, but offended. it is about the best interest if they want to have the same delay, she has of energy. then i think the, this is a little depleted and the peak on the central deck in those projects would be so if

i fussed to you will have those projects that normally you wouldn't be able to transport uh, gas or on. but if you only uh, talk about of having uh, energy and this whole se, then export thing important and on. but on, on the ground you have to think they, i guess the point of my question is that in, in the past there was a lot of talk about the reliability of the supplier of energy sources. but what about the route? reliability of the buyer, don't you think that is also an issue in design is because with china, for example, if china, investor, you and your energy sources, you may like if you may know like it, but the real trust that they, they, they will, you know, make sure that these projects exist, whereas where the west can you be just as sure that the, you know, the deal is a deal. i think i fully agree to your point. there is no answer to that. yes. when it comes to reliability and the geographical proximity that definitely didn't have

with the rest. obviously there is a fence of, uh, uh, fee. but the, this particular involved with the, this project with a lot of on not n is the west and they live well in this sense or not. because when it comes to west, they have their own precondition. they have their own way of thinking. so i don't think that it comes to, especially in case of send delays. yeah. and that's sporting their resources to that each of especially in our beautiful fields, they under liability, if shortly a question that they need to us. well, definitely go through. we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time . thank you so much. and thank you for watching hope to sir, again on walter part,

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