amongst historians and strategists, to stress central asian at central asia, a critical position. it was believed that whoever controls this vast region would have the resources and the military power to control the world. does it still apply in this day and age? the sort of do a strategic significance of the region. i think the installation is still hold of the us started a position in the region. but i think that adolf the grid game has gone. uh these countries are very well aware of their uh, liability is as well as depths trends. so now what they are doing, they're trying to use their position to gain more and more from the different bios, which have the uh, intention to uh, expand that into anything centralization. now we are talking here about 5 stats, kazakhstan care, just on those back us down to jake is done in turkmenistan,

which were once part of the soviet union. and as you mentioned in many of your article, they have always focused on pursuing a so called multi competitor for impulse. i mean, they're still doing that regardless of the war in your brain. but given that the distance between those various vectors has increased dramatically. how has the approach changed? there has been a lot of both end uh, sales this uh, computer has started. so these countries have been into langley. it is mostly the western agent just to get something out of the ventilation country. you know, they, i, i have already mentioned in most, hopefully i think those that they follow that might do it the foreign policy. they're doing it even though they haven't, uh click the size or i show for what they were uh it is doing and they haven't supported it. they have given the statements about having the post will be filled out of the lucian to the conflicts and on. but at the same time,

what i know of the same dimension, countries, cooperation with the russia, has deepened in contrast to look the rest and plus they've generally less than i do have been going on like a she has decreasing and things individual. i don't believe in that. i've seen that fuss staying with us. uh it would work if that assigned a that's d. so this uh cooperation has deepened. uh then uh, like, uh, an ocean improve influence and alicia, a decrease in other countries like a drug test on which way it gets done. when it's done. they have been more volk or about, uh, you know, uh, expressing their interest when it comes to uh, made up i live in water bank, but that is what i show. but there does china with this invest. dave, on this country is to focus on what the central leasing country want more then? well, this country is one from the fantastic now and the at the same time, they continue building that ties with the west. last here we fitness, the witness,

the 1st, the ever central asian leaders summit taking place in new york with us present, joe biden being present. he also wrote about the visit of the french president, the crown to the region. so when do you seeing those countries a um, looking for and their relationship with the west and what is the west uh, hoping to achieve their see, i think the west has been uh like both swing insulation with us in dallas and countries seem to collapse of so we have to again, since 1991, the airframe, any agenda in the region was to, you know, take care of the security tests and everything from the us. i'm going to start inspection. but the scenario has to, at least, you know, now defend collision countries. they don't want to discuss just the, there's no security issue of the divest. they want to discuss. meaning, do they want to discuss the feeling and do they want to discuss a climate change?

they want to discuss a trade and economic investment until i live the west understand that they should engage with defend dimension gonna do on these lines. the social security issues and the discussions on that that isn't going to like be beneficial for the rest. the, the main agenda of the west is just to confront, uh, contest, russian and chinese engagements and police. and i think that is not good, send them isn't going to the they they, they understand that uh as, as they are pursuing them or do a different policy. they want to have relations with the restaurant with china and with the rest. or you can not come to offend delays just to bash a showing of china. i think, given in sonya times, the political or governing culture in central asia was notably in different from the one in, in ukraine. there were far more risk averse. i thing,

do you think the perception of risk calculation of risk has changed in any way since i think they are now in a position to take risks. and the one reason why they, i've no like trying to take this is because we see up on the do regional integration very mean send them issue. you have seen a lot of uh, c 5 plus one of meetings in the cynthia. so they can do 3 of we have seen a lot of meetings in, in that for me that having a meeting with the, the us with the jo. many with that i shared with china with india that shows that they are trying to showcase themselves as a single entity they, they try it and not bring it into a domestic. and by the 3rd, if built into data broader vision symbols, now you mentioned, they said there are many meetings within this uh, new form or the all 5 c 5,

right. do those meetings actually we to any substantive results because it's one thing to meet with joe biden and discuss whatever. but does these actually materialize in any projects on the ground? i think yes it is. i will give you an exam um, but from like in the us and delicious. i mean, most of the proposal that have been made in the declaration signed in daily that discarded the declaration. most of the proposals have been already 4 feet. they uh, they were uh, proposal to have a joint working group one job, a high board level joint proposal for joint goods girlfriend have done this, done the meeting of the initial security, the way this of indian incentives that is already have been done. so i think this form, it has the quality that the highest level. so most of the commitment made in the, uh, us us, i mean, it is uh, being

a taken care of. and i think that has to happen with the uh, us, centrally shuffle met. also, because uh, most of the thing that the most problem is that, uh in uh, in that uh, summit us is taking steps though not on a larger scale, but they, they are taking uh, interest to fulfilled those companies. now you have written before that the focus of the, of the mini or the emphasis of that meeting shifted from, let's say security is just something far more concrete. something that is off and you know, immediate interest intuitive to those nations. um, but i think the biggest one is that both restaurant is almost in china have as the, the united states would use those projects to, you know, invest a little bit in those nations and them use them both as a tool and as a platform for a big power arrival every do you think there is any appetite among those nations to be played like this to, you know, following the ukrainian footsteps. i don't think so because of the way

order at the speed that rush the united states. uh, follow his aid comes through it engaged with, with the installation of countries. they speed have been very slow. most of the projects that has been uh, initiated under new with, uh, uh, with the, with united states of supports. those have been delayed, delayed for a very long time. on the contrary, we see what chinese are doing. wordpress site is doing that and more prompt. and they have some, uh, staging benefits for the installation going to so they know that until unless that is uh, you know, the, the implementation of our projects. we support for i signed up for the us and the best. uh, until then i think uh there are uh create uh interest in united this dental invest in

a while if it's not going to be that big. i don't know if you would agree with that, but i think both russian to some extent china have become somewhat more assertive in their foreign policy, but also at the same time, more accommodating towards the neighbor. so they are far more careful about, you know, the diplomatic language that they use about how they're doing. medic moves can be interpreted. they're trying to show respect to go out of their way to show public respect. have you noticed a similar change in the american side because for the americans? traditionally, you know, the demonstrative aspect of the policy is usually very important and then they tend to be arrogant. the times have they change the ways in order to pour this middle or smaller nations thing and depends on what exactly the us wants from send to me. so we need to understand their main object to find that i think time to time it has

changed. so there mean or get to uh, when it comes to that even more than defend donasia directly just to counter russia . and i think this innovation countries are very well aware of the fact. and they tried to use that uh, notion for their own benefit. they're trying to, uh, be good relations with the vets or with the united states to get some investment there being a good trader is because, uh, traditionally they have very good treating physicians have salanza from any bizarre as many trading ways. and, you know, those people here to pursue the, you know, and not so much i do all 100, but that own benefit that they use it. the reason for such as a bad thing about this is my of the vision. i think i have what i have seen, that they are trying to utilize this a situation for their own benefit. and i think it is also proven to be a little positive do for them. because now the reason is more of, you know,

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welcome back towards the portsmouth transcript associated fellow at the, the canada international foundation in your daily doctor goes to i. i asked you primarily about the united states from the western side, but there was a, i mean, at least historically, there has always been another influential western player. i'm talking about great britain here. so does it play and your role in their original affairs these days? because that influence tends to be historically if they sent it to be less visible, but sometimes from low but malicious, at least as far as the frustrates concerned. i think even the great britain or the british in the they didn't have any data to interesting centralization. their main intention was to contain a restaurant admins solid and russian expansion coming near to a gun border. they literally varied. so they didn't care much about uh,

data environment with the st. alicia. however, the main intention was to, uh, you know, go to the best option expansion. how do you understand this? uh, sort of for historical rigidity because i think russia has made efforts to manage ties not only with the west as large, but specifically story with great britain. i think about him and put his 1st visit as a like back in 2000 was to great britain because he wanted to bury these historical hatchet them yet for some reason. while you describe how adaptive central asian countries have been to the changing geo political landscape, the, his still a, to towards the restaurant, the west seems to be very stable. why? and i think it is because of the defense of ideologies. the problem with the rest is like, uh, what they, what they see should be the integrated by the other that of these. so pretty are

too complex, the rest, the rest them going to have for a very, very long thing and their own they, they're also not able to absolve the other countries and lodging as great both me because normally politically or culturally as well. and i think with the russia this has been uh like even of to so many are focused on the lesson site . they haven't been able to come in to terms with the session. i don't live because i think like india that actually is also see relation stay and vis. vis done a concept. obviously relation is even worse than if they have a problem with the china as well. to define movies. do you know, find uh, some negotiating process with the china not able to have that sustained. uh, and he wants to be china because this whole month, dependent on changing,

but that's not gave with the, with the russian. now you mentioned india as a civilization state, and india has its own interest in, in the region. i have read you writing and one of the articles that you believe that there is a sort of a senior, derek, uh, overlap in, in, in cultural art, similarity between india and, and the region. what exactly do you mean? what are some of their cultural overlays there? in then simulation naturally bought us for a very, very long time, like a uh, cause you got evidence of such as that the in definitely see relation which is almost 5500 to a folder. they had gone tax with the accessibility religious and the we have found the uh, evidence. they have some both sites they have find, uh the of the fairly uh, objects in, in the us. let me see what i just don't seem loudly. we have found the end of the

objection of this policy related to the has been lack of a focus on college go uh will research in when it comes to will send alicia back at the same time, you mentioned that the, the full potential alpha you know, it can all make, or even a cultural, political ties between this region and your culture has not been fully realized. what is standing in the way. so the historical cultural linkage is that we have with the region and that continued. it was continuous process until 1947 when the india was uh, 5 percent then. but this done became an independent country. so connectivity became a mutual hard to and i think we have been trying a lot to, to get the data next to the simulation countries. and because the good really that we have in uh send delays. yeah. it makes, it gives us

a very favorable pollution in the research. yes. but at the same time, there are many other partners involved to the main of which is of course china with which india has sometimes a somewhat 10 years relationship. so how do you thing is indian approach different from that of china specifically in this region? what engagement with defend delays, she cannot be seen with the prism of what other countries are doing. reading the work. yeah, you do not exist in an isolated the environment. i mean, it, everything affects every one affects everyone. so but see this is the defense like the other countries where they dis, especially china, it has some sort of em fee pretensions when, when it comes to in the engagement with the symbolism countries on the content in the i think it will send. alicia does not have any political agenda via and that sort of partners and we want to reconnect with that region. then i think would be

the major challenge. we have been trying a lot to, to get to going back to the country we haven't unless we invested in any info job a higher and we have been promoting the internet and also don't forget to do. and i think within uh, within the last in logic it we have seen on a port tragic check. i did 3 in india and alicia relations of the didn't have any platform for the bilingual and my director discussion and debate. but in 4 or 5 years, we have seen v. india has dialogue and discussion with this installation. countries on multiple levels, v stockton or the initiated the summit with the installation countries before china . we did it in 2022. they didn't do until 2023 at the, even when 2022,

when we announced that we'll have somebody with this innovation leader just before that 4 or 5 days before that, diana had one custom of the somebody with this information. so it showed that they have some pretty intense with the india and why? because we have so much goodwill in the region and we seem very positive and that, but that what the region really wants is not as good. what else they want from investments? does india have enough to offer it in, in, in a practical sense? i think yes, uh, this is a, uh, uh, 80 of and we have a little uh, problem. we haven't been able to utilize our for a protection. and i think when it comes to india as a investment ends and alicia data, a lot of a misconception in, in, in indian business entities level of in this i would say because of the, our relationship have been very slowly uh,

evolving. so the reason has been under already uh, like mis conceptual uh, film. well, the business entities, what not very short about having some potential investment potential and the installation going to. but we have seen a now that they have no very well uh, interest in buy this installation of business entities. and for the, for that the government is also taking a lot of interest here. do we have in this installation of just going to see that we have a business going sale on by a, by looking at the base easily though to make is done with go gel custom. so we have been trying to improve our image as a, as a cannot make partner of this installation can do that. and i think that i've some fun to do uh, indication and i hope there will be more than more investment from india to send to isn't going to do in future. there is also, uh, one more a transcontinental access. and that is between moscow and new delhi and such

a central the asian countries would benefit from more trade, especially a logistical projects between the, our big nations. but i think there is an opinion here in russia that it would perhaps require a little bit more political well on the indian side to um, you know, sort of be a little bit more open about uh, it's uh, uh, cooperation with russia of this very difficult your political moment, do you think and do you see it coming from the indian side or in the see if this to risk perhaps at this point of time. so all are going to do with the nature do with that. it is and also transport quite a large out of board. so 8 on so, so the transit of the country and the, the problems that it on has with the best it has been hindering. uh, some developments on those uh, projects though, the travel add port was on like exempted from the list and sanctions,

but the business uh or the investment or business uh entities. they have a lot of confusion and then you'd like to using to have a headboard and they will also uh, when you feel like we have one year contract with it on the devil of our board. and we wanted to have a long term contract to make more investment in developing job i bought. and i, i think now we has was already signed. and he has a agreement to eat on the level of trouble i born. and that is a very uh good news and it will do both to in the job market. and once this job, a higher will be utilized to its full potential. i think this will also be able to understand your touch upon the very interesting and potentially um there are riskier uh, seeing that as the interconnection between the politics and economy. because uh,

there have been a lot of discussion about the energy security about diverse, the vacation of supply routes, uh, from central asia. and uh for example of building uh additional uh, pipelines for transporting is its hydrocarbons. but do you think a given, for example, of what happened with the north stream given the political a risks associated with the energy projects? do you think there is an appetite for um, lets say building a new pipeline to bring the energy sources to your let's take the case of torque when it's done. it has huge. uh, gas it, it of, and i think it is one of the most uh, 90 percent of the wind gas laws to china and to clean the renaissance dependence on . uh stein is uh, the vin news is too much and they have been trying to day,

we'll see if i uh, their, uh, export. but they do not have any option, as they uh proposed that tons of gas being uh biplane, than they would have been one under fee biplane to connect with the division. so then the 10 uh, 10 for the gas plaza vision to you. there has been a lot of uh, promotion on oh, there's been a lot of talk, talk about it and they will also a lot of support from the united states. like i'll do it the that project is slowing novia. so that is definitely ality. so they have to be, they're trying to diversify their exports. but because there are some structural issues and lack of a financial lift office, they haven't been able to isn't uh, ultimately way to risk. i mean, given what happened to, you know, and now that pipeline, the gas pipeline, bringing gas to europe. if uh, something like this could be eliminated. uh, you know, on

a political per text or for a known political reasons. and don't just think that there is, um, there are, there are additional political risk associated with energy part acts like this at this point. i think yes. and if they're like, but offended, it is about the best interest. if they want to have a satellite, she has an o g. then i think the this of a little depleted and the peak on the central deck in those projects would be. so if i fuss, do you really have those projects that normally you wouldn't be able to transport? uh, gas or but if you only uh, talk about of having uh, uh, energy this will say then export thing important. and on. but on, on the ground you have to think they, i guess the point of my question is that in, in the past there was a lot of talk about the reliability of the supplier of energy sources. but what

about the route? reliability of the buyer, don't you think that is also an issue? and design is because with china, for example, if china, investor, you, and your energy sources, you may like if you may know like it, but the real trust that they, they, they will, you know, make sure that these projects exist. whereas with the west, can you be just as sure that the, you know, the deal is a deal? i think i fully agree to your point. there is no answer to that, this man to come to reliability and the geographical proximity that definitely didn't have with the rest. obviously there is a fence of uh, a fee, but the, this particular involved with the, this project with a lot of on not n is the west and they live well in this sense or not. because when it comes to vest, they have their own precondition. they have their own way of thinking. so i don't thing that comes through, especially in case of sample is. yeah. and that's supporting their resources to

that each of especially in order to fulfill the under liability if shortly a question that they need to us. well, definitely we have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time. thank you so much. and thank you for watching hope to sir, again on walter part, the, [000:00:00;00] the,

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