was an older what was that process of being mistreated? now something we heard about what we spoke to recently, friend for the let's take a look. my health, i'm the i was arrested on november 16th at the security checkpoint. there were no security charges against me. it was just an ordinary citizen, walking with my family. my daughter even fainted from the crowd. so i had to layer on the ground on carrying her. she's 12 years old. they called out to me that took me along with to my brothers and stripped a silver close until we were completely naked, as they made us turn around a couple times before dressing this up and boxers and taking a stand for interrogation. they can kept our hands behind our backs and blindfolded us and then they took us to the interrogation room and use the most brutal techniques, the 1st method to involve bringing in the person and firing and 3 shots. they fired 3 shots, and one of them made a sound and pretending the person had been killed, they said, all right, you didn't confess. we killed them. next they brought me and made me sit down,

asked me a few questions like where the resistance members were or how moss was where the prisoners were. i told them how would i know i'm a citizen in a farmer and i told them you called me to come to the security checkpoint and the sell to the safe area. you take me to the safe area in prison, me and treat me like this. they use gunshots, putting a bullet next to my ear, and causing my ear drum to rupture. employee. and i still can't hear from that a year after that we were arrested and transferred to the barracks that said, that came in and we stayed there for a while. then we had the conditions were for risk with complete neglect of health. people were brought in injure from the sheets of hospital and left to die in front of us without any medical intervention. when you ask about the torture, i'll tell you it's the most brutal in the world. they would set you on a chair, cuff your hands and feet to it, strip you naked, and then beat you with a plastic straw about a meter or a meter and a half long. i'm sensitive areas i have loose and scars on my sensitive areas that

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the tech at all to come from great. so is i will be back at the top, the out in about 30 minutes. the hello and welcome to prospect bull horns on peter lavelle here we discussed some real news. the attempted assassination of donald trump tells us all we need to know about the extreme tensions that make up american politics. sadly, america as a long and deadly history of political violence, the country's political culture is simply toxic. to discuss these issues and more, i'm drawing by my guess your to send me while we in budapest, he's a pod counselor at the goggle, which be found on youtube and locals. at americas we have martin j. he's an award

winning journalist and commentator, or a gentleman cross that goals and the fact that means he can jump any time you want . and i always appreciate it. right, let's start out with george in budapest as usual. george, we called this one. uh, we had been saying for a very long time because of the, um, the perceived, the extremes of american politics, that something like an attempted fascination could happen. well, it is already happened. so what does this tell you in a, how does this change the dynamics if at all, go ahead george. so when it says of the election, i think the dynamics. so we've, we simply don't know, does he have how that is going to affect the outcome? but this was entirely predictable because of the loop the other years and years of, of on the side. oh, harold, hysterical coverage of trump bodies. i mean the media and contributed to this. uh,

absolutely ridiculous hysteria. but of course, all the patients and cheaply president, by the who has repeatedly is declared that this doesn't exist central matter, but the united states that, you know, trump poses an existing shall correct of united says he has been saying this since 2019. and that's remember even before that the trunk was a q is essentially by much of the media. and again, much of the, the democratic party, all having been an agent of the kremlin level as it was a traitor, is that it is when you call somebody afraid so that when you say that that person is literally add all hip left. well, what happens is the, these amazing thing that it's taken this long for something like this to happen. and what, what is really disgusting is all these politicians, mancy below c, chuck schumer, i can you, jeffrey by and so now say, well, we wish trump very speedy recovery. political violence has no place. and now this

goes, well, you're golden. i don't feel. well, if he is out of hipaa, why would you be wishing him speed you recover it? so obviously you were lying and you would just been basically pulling the american people by golding of ablest oh, this was exactly what you were hoping. what happened the song, you know, young a young man about the list of assessing was or the 20 years old. when say i go to save the world from idle hipaa. so you know, this, we did it quite a disgusting box is now going on. you know, mark me a, oh, you've already seen the picture, which i wrote that send it to you. it's iconic. it certainly is iconic. it's probably been seen by over a 1000000000 people already around the world. and it's like into like the flag on you will. jima, i mean, or some of the civil rights movement images we have as any other assassinations. but the way i read that, that picture is that the way his supporters, i mean, they feel his literal pain. they feel who did the persecution,

this ridiculous law fair against them. there's probably a, a 1000000 good reasons to dislike donald trump. but the, this persecution of him infuriates people and people that maybe not have a very strong political attitude. they literally feel this man's pain or i think so. yeah, and i think of that and they will be beyond the political camp and they will be a number of the swing swing voters are undecided versus from the other side as well . who now i've seen the, which one, they've seen the court cases and they don't believe that they don't believe what they're saying. they know that there's a political attended up behind all of this. and george's, absolutely right. because the history of this bill went up against from i think it was this the fucking pm who just treated just a few minutes ago. he said something along the lines of, you know, it was an image for single day. so when you put the guy down so much, that a member of the public was going to do the job and stuff up some ok and then take the short, i'm paraphrasing, didn't say exactly like that, but you get to point to not, not you have to ask yourself um, the security of this,

but these events, i mean, you know, i don't want to be a kid is a, be a conspiracy theorist. but no one has to one the with the, with the which on the i mentioned before with the, with the amount of the cases that have been brought against from the up to wonder whether the deep state also perhaps arranges for the security of these events to be so poor because it's only a question of time sooner or later before it comes to like america with some crack polt 3 that brings along a $100.00 rifle and, and takes a few shots of a this go. i mean, i think it was an image for them that we should be so shocked by it, especially when you look at the video footage, which came online just minutes late to of 3 security late to use f b. i ladies with the very started shut classes who were just running around the heads of chickens. i mean, it was literally pissy for watching these 3 ladies, one coming hosts or a weapon and properly another ones was more concerned about the sunglasses incorrectly to look cool. in the behind them was the smart close to that and you

know, taking something away and it was just a few letters to be honest. so you're going to also sort of questions. but i think the broad question, the bigger question is we haven't lives in these thomas before that some phenomena is entirely new ground as i saw unprecedented. and i think the bigger question is, is this a small taste of things, companies and some typically ice book and we were open, bracing us, of wondering when we're not so confident we're, we're pretty confident that somebody's gonna win the will. the country will america, i'm tentacles of all the power within it. allow him to win. you know, you're off on november, the 5th. you know, we're going to see thousands of people take to the streets with a $100.00 rifles or was well, but i think martin, i think it's pretty fair to say, i'll throw it to george right now. whatever the outcome half the country is not going to agree with it. that's where we are. george. no, that's. that's exactly right. that'd be the other half of the country will not agree with this. and even, even, even if he is alexis as possible, he will,

he be inaugurated george. will it be another piece like that? that's right. and i mean, we'd already know and this, because he's adding to the hysteria, that if the democrats do come to the house, they will not certified the result. this is something that they've already said they will not certify the result is that it's entirely dependent on the republicans taking the house. we're trying to be installed as president. and, you know, even if he is still the president, we're going to get full years of this and really lives with the, you know, there's a lot of training now in recent years of assassination of, i mean, russell. it was only weeks ago we were talking about the assassination of the term fund robot fits so. um, you know, the, we had the, uh, the assassination attempts at the, the, the congressional ball game that was in 2017. we had them fascination of the time from them, the supreme court justices kind of on the so they were in all of these events are good. the direct result of the if you scenario that is being whipped up by the

say, the democrats and their of media allies. and so therefore, if the truck does become present, that isn't going to stop. so so like this is basically the they, they've determined that this is all my business existence loses existence like it dips or repeating this somehow america kind of survive. donald trump, i remember that a horrible both of mr. victor newland, uh victor, victoria, mr. victoria newland rubbing pagan, wrote in an all pad in the washington post, and we talked about this. it was about 5 to 6 months ago, which was pretty much cooling for this explanation of trump. you just said this man is such as exist. central threats, we can't stop him. this is like, this is, julia sees, you know, this is the only way the way we do it. we're going to deal with them is the way they dealt with julius caesar. so this is, he doesn't affect the business how, what the, how the political establishment is thinking. and indeed as mafia said,

there are serious reasons or as questions about the security elapses that i mean, it needs to be and explicable. absolutely, yeah. but it really questions? well it's, it's really quite remarkable. martin is that we, this is and i'm glad you brought up the flow of our prime minister. i mean, this is what we see all across the western world. everything is x a central. if everything is x essential than anything and everything is permitted because it's, you know, it's to be or not to be. this is a, you know, it, you know, it's obviously very reminiscent of a civil war and in the united states. but this is a civil war that's being played out across the west as well. yeah, but it is like stuff. so, and unfortunately what i've witnessed in, in my career and the last of the use of genres is how western countries have become more and more the piece with systems to become simplified binary. they become binary. and they become, you know, very much of

a symbols like black and whites and choices for people. and i think that has been accelerated by the advent of social media and also martin, don't you think what doing lyft thinking about the elections in france and then the u. k. and then the european parliament just, you can win a lot of votes, but you don't get to live a seed. so i mean, it's becoming more and more obvious that the system is rig system is right. i mean that the, to the west of democracy, the less than democracy and it's models, plural. i don't know. okay. it's not functioning anymore. you know, so you're getting the votes to the bottom, the books, the people know that the vote is very much a token part of the whole thing. you know that, that needs to be something else to hold politicians accountable. and um, so you know, uh, especially some attempts that public valleys in america, it's certainly something that surprises us assassination attempts in western leaders like just to back in pm. perhaps this is going to be something that we're going to see more render a grandmother in the press because, you know, as i say,

i don't, i think the confidence is just waiting. now, you know, we were looking for an alternative level and the present one. you know, just just don't seem to what we're looking at nature for example, which just celebrate his birthday, you know, some pundits of all use. well, the basis of may so 75 years ago, it was a particular name on, i mean, the idea that the soviets have this ministry threat against us, i'm going to wipe us out the same argument, same x, essentially. so i'm going to say absolute unqualified on merits uninstalled the absolute explanations which were supposed to swallow with the well, i mean in, in never. and then given a democratic testing or, you know, george is really interesting is the way, when we look at these elections with your participation legitimize is the outcome, but not your decision. you see what i'm saying is that the, no, it's the we have a, we have a vibrant but when democracy because people vote but it doesn't. that doesn't deal with the outcome of the vote. george know that that's right. i mean that, and that's why there is this gunston manny attempt to get everyone to vote to tell

you. oh, really, really, what did you vote your most about? you know, that's your duty as a citizen to vote. and then, and i think was a little why what, what difference is going to make and why we're getting lead is that we don't want to, you know, to attend. that is, that we don't want, i mean, if it was a little of the problem with this, or the lesson democratic model is that it's just based on a long, prentice, which is, we have to keep out the other guy. the other guy is an existing show threat that that's all sir. we don't, we don't actually and promise you anything. we don't have a positive program. we don't, we don't, we have no idea how to improve your life. but that person, that person is literally hitler, and we have to do whatever we can in order to keep them out of this is what they're doing. this is what is it, whether it's united states, whether it's crossed. oh, it is in germany and i get very soon, it will be the case in the u. k. where you know, the, the, the, the, it but the literally, hipaa will be natural garage or we have to keep them out. otherwise, democracy will come to an end. yeah, every when, when everything becomes uh,

existential, then everything is legitimate to any uh, everything is on the table except for in recognition of the democratic process. gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on some real need to stay with r t. the welcome back. across that bullhorn john peter live out the land you were discussing some real news. okay, let's go back to george in budapest here. i mean what this is sending a very dangerous signal, because 1st of all, we and looking at the drums opponents, they are, they're, they're crocodile tears. means it's pretty hard to believe. i mean, we went through this whole debate fiasco, and we all were told that he knew joe biden is just the jim dandy, you know, sharp is attack and all of that. and then we see what happened and then they do

a flip. and now there's pretending that they never demonized donald trump. there are plenty of reasons to dislike donald. trump don't get me wrong, but you know, to turn around now and say don't, we don't want anything a, any, we don't have any ill feelings we do. we don't have any hope for a disaster do to come across him, but that's not true. it's all likes very good. it exactly it, it was all lies. and it was done precisely in order to whip up. this is very, i mean, you call just as i say, well, you know, this isn't really what we meant. we, we're in the business of the civil discourse. i think obama issues, when we need, we need symbol, disclose, they're all we don't and there's no, no, no wrong. so violence. how is this civil, this goes? and we will remember that to then defend that solemn events with the red lights that the by the, i call it the most of leading moment. that was the leaning. oh, anything which it was saying that you know,

and again the strength was not just one pro from child support which is and then being on enrollment soon the beginning of a biden's term. he was talking about the said they existential thread. peruse by all sorts of, you know, characters that we, we could go the all the, you know, the, the ad cfax is the white supremacists, the white nationalist of the mag i'll follow is. that is now they've been playing this political game. really, you know, for years and years and of course something like this is going to happen and now just go down the road where we wish him a speedy recovery this. what's the mileage you decide is out all hibler and he's going to in democracy. but his agenda is still in democracy. now you wish it was media regarding why would you wish him a speedy recovery? he's only going to end democracy according to martin the, the way the rhetoric has been played out and it's almost getting close to 10 years . and that when you think about it, okay,

almost 10 years is that there is no middle ground. there is no compromise. everything is a pure a t test. okay. you can't run a democratic society like that for very long its utah. and i think them the, the situation that we're not in america where we have a choice of these 22 liters, who are both quite controversial, quite polemic for different reasons. i think the system is quite limited in the system. it may will be the this particular election will spark are completely new process. the new process of dialogue from people right across this whole section of society to ask you to, can we do something about the system? can we create a system which is more on more liberal, more put in a certain a certain, which it makes us a certain more flexibility. in addition, for example, you know, we, we've seen the emergence of kids to guest alma who has basically taken control of the country with the lowest election to announce ever so people are starting to ask

questions. you know, is it time is the person to have a proportional representation of voting system? i think i'm probably the america is unlike person. you don't have that protest. foot accountants are in the middle. if you don't have a policy called the liberals, you know, it's all the one thing or the other. i mean, correct me if i'm wrong. but i think this is really now more than ever or beginning to see how this system is sustaining people. and you're quite right to say that, you know, it's very hard to much of a comp coming into power with at least half of the country. now obviously it's time to the world come in. and so my point, my point is somebody has to change, and i think this is probably the breaking point. yeah, i mean it's because george, you mean elections, they're becoming less meaningful. i mean, you just, as you pointed out, you know, what, you know, thanks everybody has to vote. you know, we're a voter turnout. you know, this legitimize the election, but it doesn't happen that way. i mean, it's still, it's for bowden to say in western media, but i mean,

there are tens of millions of americans that don't believe the 2020 outcome. they believe that trump one in 2016, the one in 2020 and he's good. one went in 2020 thoughts except for they won't let him they can do for you. can you find that yourself? go ahead. george. yes, that's, that's. that's right. and that's exactly how people will see it. and really, you know, this, this, this estimation of the time comes authorized the series of events. remember, you know, they try to take him off the ballot, but it's a kind of unheard of. you'll do that to think somebody off the ballot where you don't have a right to vote for this person. imagine that, i mean the hosp, the country regard, same as the legitimate prison. and then you said, well, no, no we, we, we made a decision, you know, the rights of folks. so i've never known as you know, and attorney general in new york state decide that i'm just going to bankruptcy. i'm just going to take away the will of his money and i'm going to come up with

some convoluted ridiculous legal theory that has never been tried. and i know i'm going to get a sympathetic judge. i was just going to take all his money away and they, and they tried to do it is only because they the, the court jumped in and said, well, you know, i'll give it, take it easy with, with, with this, say this money grab another because we you know, we have uh, yeah, was the, uh, the in school indictments. i mean it's just unheard of, you know, use, it's been a president. there's never been invited once and now we have full of time for an election. so this is the last 90 process in which you got these political 5 is the absolutely determined to prevent the coming to wow of somebody will off the country regards as they're legitimately the well, you know, all the way to the this is the funding, mentally unstable. situation, i mean the have, or that has to be some kind of a political consensus whereby, you know, you know,

believe is accept outcomes and respectfully leader of the organization. now what, what we had during these last 2 and, you know, 24 hours easily off the, he bulk essay english, the political, the stablish of protest. that's the system. yeah, we're all wishing well a prez. i still go to impreza with these families over the phone to the site at the moment is strictly this all of these things, but ultimately, we know we're going to go back with a few weeks. we're going to go back to the uh, the, the truck, hysteria, m i n a martin. and so i'm glad the george brought up these frivolous lothair suits because the, in the liberals, they preferred rigs. jerry's, but i think the rest of us would prefer the jury of the electorate let they let the electorate be the jury. now you've already explained to us the, the impediments in the u. k. i mean, i'm astounded by me. the outcomes of the french and, and you can select, i mean, just because you will a lot about doesn't mean you get much power. a seal,

i think come when the case of trump is what's, what's really interesting for me is that this breaks down this sort of from the crumbling of this foundation to what we believe since so long with the foundations of american democratic model. you know what people really believed to that they almost had a religious reverence to it in the fourties and fifties and now it's crumbling. and it's comforting on both sides. you know, we talked about trump a new stuff and just in time it seems to me to invite them to come, don't need to buy some kid to to sheep bikes and well the, where's the near? nobody's name here now. nobody's doing, it seems to be doing it a pretty good self assessment ational suicide on himself. you know, we were saying panic now in the whole system and the democrats are beginning to panic in a different way. you go now i think 20 congressmen have written to, to but i'm saying look, you know, you know, we love you, but give it up. i think also the hollywood has been weighing and as well people at george clearly. right. it was very timing piece of the new york times, i mean,

really touching base, some nice things spoke on behalf of a lot of hollywood products. you know, well, you know, i probably probably probably only, i really do less of careful but keep like shepherds go any other say a hobby. what is so corrupt and the money, you know, money corrupts everything. so money coming from hollywood into the political process is just the script. you know, you don't judge what's really, what's really amazing to me. trump, it will be a dictator. he will shut down democracy. you know, refresh my memory. he was president from the dispute. it was okay, i didn't shut down the media didn't shut down the trade unions. he didn't, he didn't go after hillary clinton. they made his own deal. jay went after him. mean what did this is just say a narrative may add a folk song. it's not as if we don't know who the guy is, is that, that's the amazing thing. because, you know, we've, if you look back on the trump, is it basically the galvan and as a kind of a moderate centrist or a republican?

i mean romney, derek. i'm at raleigh. i mean, yeah, you know, he brought in the tax schedule. every republican president boy says, tax gods. i mean, that's the signature policy of or republican administrations. and it does have as far on all of say, well, they've promised all kinds of things. he never deliver it. so you know, the, the whole idea always going to withdraw from need. so he's going to withdrawal from syria. he's going to withdraw him from afghanistan and he didn't do any of those things and make it over. he gets like, even by the, you know, you know, the over say, you know, i, i know founded by the no one here is the final violence, please the withdrawal from afghanistan and trumped. isn't that sad? yeah, i'm going to do that. but he, you know, ultimately he didn't go ahead with it. so if you look back on those, he is just to take away his personality. he was a pretty, a centrist republic, a. so the hysteria has absolutely no basis whatever the whole this,

like what you said made out of whole bloke, but the idea that he was pro russia, but he favor brewton is just so stupid. so with the all this, well, the large was russia gauges back. okay. like, you know, you know more and it's really interesting. in looking at this campaign, you're obviously there's a microscope scope on joe biden because of his mental acuity issues here. but, you know, you have to give credit where credit's due, trust has been running. and amazingly moderate to campaign was very, he's very careful. he's, he's, he, he is, he's, is, he's got himself under control. and this is what, and now this, the campaign is completely turned upside down. again, everyone's going to be focusing on. he was your rhetoric, it was your narrative, etc, etc, etc. and not on the policy is go ahead. i don't think i knew why. i think i knew why trump is that seems to be more so, but um, even even some of the ups and at times when you would think he would rise to bates

and be more sensational. i think it's because he's got the media experts and, and they've looked at the types of things evaluated where he's gone wrong in the past. and you know, he's more, he's more, he's between more media professional now. and the way that you can see the way that is, so evidence was it was what did debates with the bite of these other 2 t the s plus told him you don't need to weigh and you don't need to throw your arms around and say, oh these stupid insults just let the guy bury himself, which is what he did, you know? so i think uh there is, there was a new trump emerging, which is the one who listens to his advice as well. and it's so clear the blind doesn't listen to any of his advisors setting up media, you know, and i think that's really going to make a difference. and it may will mean made a critical difference when it comes to the, to the votes and get a but some i, i think we'll have to wait and see. and, you know, i think the also i'm, but it's got enough problems in the next few weeks. so, um, the democrats are telling me that there was

a critical cut off point somewhere in the middle of august, where there will be no option any more to go with vitamin as well. but definitely with the, with the republican convention coming up. but there's going to be plenty for all of us to chew on here gentlemen, that as all the time we have, i want to thank my guest in budapest and in medication. of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us. here are the see next time. remember, prospect rules. the what is part of the visit that the employee would posted isn't the deepest view of us and bidding the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present there? let's stop without pieces. let's go out of the

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