on us we are facing the beyond excited to 24 hours. it's hard to describe. we've been waiting for this for so long. did you ever think the stay would come? yes or no? free at last free at last? julia saunders is free at last. well, physically for now, it is surprising yet deserve move. the british government released julian from his

jail cell. well, what happens next? we cubic founder, and what price did he and the rest of the world have to pay for his freedom? i'm sky now. hughes, and this is prospective the after spending a 1901 day it was in prison. would you like sandra julian assigned, walked out of a prison and was able to run off a plane to embrace his wife and his father. now he gets to head back to his homeland. i'm australia and what seems to be the conclusion to a decade long legal battle. a legal battle would start in 2011. when the swedish government accused assigned of sexual assault and issued a warrant for his arrest. not only did hassan to deny the allegations, but it became apparent julia saunders being targeted because of his work on his

website, wikileaks and the work it was doing to expose the lies being told by the american government to its people. in 2009 chelsea manning who is previously known as bradley manning before here transitioning and a military intelligence analyst disclose the wikileaks hundreds of thousands of documents regarding the detainees at the us detention camp at guantanamo bay. as was never before seen documents regarding the warner rack. now eventually, us government charged assigned with 18 accounts of espionage. this drove assigned to seek refuge and the ecuadorian embassy in the u. k. with minimal contact with the outside world. but the damaging information released by snowden was nothing compared to the democratic national committee mass week of more than 20000 emails, which happened just a few months before the 2016 election. an unprecedented move, it was exact source, is still a mystery. however,

revealed multiple scaling revelations about the dn say like a coordinate efforts with hillary clinton campaign against bernie sanders, several employees racist interrogatory, treatments of others within the organization. and the various international business ties between the quinn foundation and hillary clinton's campaign advisor. john podesta is this couch with the headlines and the crucial last few weeks of the 2016 campaign creating a firestorm of controversies that many democrats believe cause the loss of hillary, clint presidential bit. of course, this was not going to go unnoticed and those in power in several countries around the world. new not only did julian assigns and his wiki leads website need to be silenced. but future whistle blowers needed to be sent this message. they would pay for any actions they took, which would expose into corruption which of taking years to hide. all of this

brings us to the day and after years of legal battles in public demonstrations, julia saw just now a good night free man. but did the man who was seen as a fighter for freedom of speech and press sacrifice the fight in the future for his own freedom? well, let's ask or get a panel of experts. their perspective on jr. sounds release and what will happen in the future? joining me is, randy credit go, who's the comedian radio host, an activist, misty west, and a political activist, and the organizer and co host of action for a saw. and on august who is an author and journalist. thank you all for joining me today. thank you. great to be here. thank you miss you. i wanna start with you. why do you think the british had a change of heart and released assange or i think there's a that's a very complicated answer. i think there are many things that played into that. there's a lot of moving parts here. i think that obviously it was

a political disaster for many countries, australia and the u. k. the united states. i think obviously the unrelenting pressure from activists around the globe was really starting to break through, you know, the move it to, to free as options been growing over the past many years. but really in particular, since he was pulled out of the ecuadorian embassy in 2019. so i think that there was a lot of moving parts or there were a lot of i, i imagine a lot of really frantic conversations happening behind closed doors on how to get out of this. well, also saving face. i think that this was probably the best option for all parties involved. arnold, we know one of the terms of the release was time we had already served. do you think those were the only conditions as well as appear for so to say that i don't think that uh by uh can you send re to that p d o that that represents in any way shape or for a debt permit to journalism. freedom of the press now in the future,

i think what else to look at in the context, what was the main goal of united states and britain? their goal was just to, you know, drive the next. is that uh to oh, those terrible conditions in bel march, even pushing him towards perhaps suicide. what one does not know, but the fact is in the prison, he stood up every single day, never gave it. he never went on his knees for the t built. in fact, it came from the others from united states and britain, and the fact that he signed it. i will say that it means that this is sacrificing the principles of journals in the future. people who just joined a sack represents you represent the freedom of journalism. i know you stood up to this state. those terrible conditions as kate came out of prison, his head held high. so he, this work, of course, can carry on. and the simple of doing a search,

as the fighter for freedom of the practice for the rights of journalism, i think, is going to be even stronger because no one stop somebody be in speaking out in australia or any you've to internet as well. i believe i say are those things that's all we you think they like join a sides basically just walk out of jail and didn't put any restrictions on him that he can just go do whatever works he wants to continue to do you think that they're just so you know what, we're, we just keep doing what we're doing, exposing all of us. we're fine. we're not worried about you anymore. you know, uh it's uh, i don't really believe that there were no conditions, but the fact is i've also read a few days ago that right after his release, rekey lease me a whole row of up to that time and classified documents with regards especially to the state the dnc hillary clinton. so this thing is still going on even though perhaps to get a sense is not directly involved in, you know,

the restrictions may be until, in a sense, a sense. but we see leaks and other a journalist, other folks that are dictating to digging up the truth with regards to the american policy. they still have a free head to, to, to do so. and of course, well for us, we may not have the right to issue. other we see leaks to the test that she did before stopping him speak. i never read anywhere that he cannot give his opinion on the issue of materialism, all the issue of d. f. c, on the issue of the american political system, america foreign policy. i do not see any restriction on that. and knowing julia said, not personally, but just from voting so closely this period when it comes time. so you will definitely speak out. i'm talking, he will speak out. i don't think there's a restriction for him to speak on personally. and the advantage is that he's out of

prison. so the microphone will be geared towards him. well, i know that as one of mary sauce, well, that's one very solid off interview. i know every journalist i'm in the world right now would like to have that 1st comes and i say that's good journalist for a journalist that are not are hiding anything. would like to have that conversation with them, but then i've got to go to you on this one. randy, do you actually think that conversation is going to happen because i have to look at, do you think this was just a coincidence? because all of the dns, the emails were deleted, the day assigned was released. kind of interesting that just a coincidence i, i really have no idea. i don't expect him to seek out any time soon. i certainly wouldn't ask them. i've interviewed 3 times prior to 2000, 17 and 16. i would ask them to be interviewed by be okay. all right, now it needs to be compressed, and i think it would be totally wrong for so you want to see interviewing various sizes for their own, you know, status. i t, this is, this is

a 13 year ordeal. it's bad enough and accurate during embassy and to 5 years at the top of the ground floor. really put, you know, a lot of psychological and physical harm to him. so he needs a long time. i've worked with prisoners for 25 years and they use 51012 years of prison when they come out, never the same. it really takes a long time to adjust. and i think everyone should just leave him alone right now. and they don't speak when we speak, and he will forget that will be something that i think a lot of people want to hear. misty, were you surprised while there was a lot of, i say a lot of coverage within obviously social media. so one of the alternative media groups, they obviously cover the genocide, you might have got a 32nd blip on most western mainstream. were you surprised at the lack of coverage of julia as well as being released from jail? you know, of course not. they haven't been covering this case for the entirety of the

duration of it. i mean, every, once they once every 6 months or so, they do like a 2 minute segment where they would spin it terribly and malign. join a sons' lie about him smear and things like that. so it's a completely on surprising to me. the major media did not cover uh, basically the certification, but the in the email were in fact uh deleted off of what you weeks following his release. but the, the website has been having issues with those documents for years. this is not something that's new, it's been a for years now that those have been, i'm not sure what the issue is. i'm sure maybe somebody from what you least can comment on the, the technical issues that they've been having there. but that's been something that's been reported on since i think even just the 2021. so the dnc uh, leaks are that wasn't that something that was deleted following has really freshman going on for a long time, but yeah, to, to circle back to your question, not at all surprised that mainstream media ignore. this is what they do. well, there's no doubt, i think several governments would love to be able to take down the wiki leaks website and they've been unable to successfully do that for a long time. and now the joints for you be interesting if they continue to make

those attacks. and in fact of them on there, i do have to ask you on right now, i'm sure you're familiar with the dnc lease, cuz i think that was actually the nail that really made. julia sondra huge, started here was already, but really definitely made a target on his back by a, by several different groups. do you think it's only just that, but any of these email links have come out from because they do, have you ever seen anybody implicated or held accountable for what would you leaks has been exposed besides, automatically i've got edward stone is had a the, the good guys, the ones that are actually doing the whistle blowing, they're being held accountable for it, but anybody else who was implicated, we've never seen anything actually come about those that actually did the wrong that were supposed by wiki leaks at this point. i think that's what the julian assad's exposed with regard to the dnc. that whole party is leadership. it has become, it was relative. and then of course, it was very relevant drop during the his entire or deal in the embassy state or in

the torture hall, which is called bar bar prison. but i think it takes on even more relevancy. let me give you an example. i was watching the like everyone else i guess who had the stomach to do so. the debate between biden and trump presidential debate just a few days ago. i do know what made me most sickening. there was nothing but trumps . here i'm not a trump supported, but i think what made me, what's his most discuss the was what state of vitamins both when he said 3 different location, different, very anxious we are for the end of the world. this is bike, i'm quoting, for every country would like to be as, as we are leading the world leading the civilized world. so here this is the person who a to devices, the type corruption in the d n. c, that julie x a spose, which would be coming even more relevant today. i think as you know,

it's another topic. what is going on in palestine today? you know, it's not the same, of course the guy has them, but he exposes then before the current us up by united states and israel, i forget, god is even more relevant because the same type of things are happening there. the only difference is, fortunately, we don't really need which evenings for that because they base the media has to do with that. they have no way poke. but i think that julia says he was imprisoned for his ideas. it came out, his ideas are still there and these same ideas is virus. and i agree with you we, we should be posting some papers released uh from, from prison. his no temporary or if it is sliced restricted freedom, it's a victory for sure. well, i think it's a very proud american. i think we all here in america, when joe biden said that, i think we all had a giggle and a laugh going. he doesn't actually believe that right now is the current state that we're in. but randy, i wanna,

i wanna talk to you because you mentioned that you spoke with the 2nd i i, i think he really believes it. i think he really believes that that's the sad part . well, he also believes that he walked across the bridge and, and maryland and several other aspects that, you know, afterwards they had, it's been, it's quite a few fact checks and corrections on. so, but that's exactly, i think why julia saw just so important today is because while the rest of the media can just glance over and not have to talk about it, randy, i have to ask you real quick before we go to break. you mentioned you actually talked to join us on several times. 20162017. do you think that this experience is going to make him change how he handles these types of situations going forward? or is he already said, you know what? you've already come out? may you've already done the worst you can do? i mean, i'm still alive. i'm against mike pompei of wishes, i think. but i'm going to keep going. i'm going to go harder now that you've left me out. what do you think is, what do you think is tenacity is going to be when he does have the rest needed that he deserves and comes out to the public. or once he recovers ac compressor's,

i expect them probably to go back to doing what he did before i did to have him on my radio show in 2016 and 17. i visited him and the embassy 3 times in 2017. uh, and he was already under a toner pressure earlier this year. remember the palm pale called him something which i checked terrace. mistaken correct. yeah. um but um that's correct. uh at that point. uh he was, he was in, he was a target. the process of this, yeah, it was bought 7 that really led to the prosecution. there's no question about that . that's when they really went crazy at the c i a n c. i a has been driving this prostitution for a long time. that's why i never expected, and many people not optimistic that he would ever get out. maybe it was a campaign issue. i mean, i don't, there's no way to fight this campaign, but uh,

maybe basis this might, oh, i don't know. plus they, they probably will watch uh once they brought them over here, but they will be dragged it out for another 6810 months. and in that prison waiting with appeals and everything. and it could have died there. so it was lock 7, it was the d and c e mails all messed up. what linking it to rush, it was part of the smear job. we're both way smearing julian designs and smearing russia, which has let this whole rush, the gate shirad, which it continues to percolate right now to demonize russia and a, the way for this proxy war in ukraine. so uh, i wish you were around a, to expose some of this stuff that's going on that keeps this proxy or happening costing 600000 you friday a mice making all of these military contractors billionaires basically,

well as oh and then rented your pipe. so might say that one of the reasons why you did did out is they can see that potentially this was going to be coming to an end, and not sure how the west is wanting to be. so they went on let him out now so that it wouldn't be such a surprise. but that is a great lead into our conversation after the break. randy crew to go critic, misty width and arnold august. don't go away. a, just after the break, we're going to continue our discussion and examine what this might mean for other whistle blowers like edward snowden. we will also consider whether, if elected president, trump will correct the mistakes he made at the end of his 1st term and issue a part of the the the,

what is part of the, the employee would post that isn't the defense you of us and bidding the word or is it something deeper, more complex, might the present good? let's stop without collisions. desktop out of the, the sky. now here's an you are watching perspective. we're going to bring back in our panel, discuss what kind of message julie on assigned as the jail time, and now release might send to other whistleblowers. randy critical, comedian and radio host actress misty winston and political act was organizer and

co host of action for assigned an arnold august author and journalist. i want to thank you so much for staying with us. okay. i'm gonna actually start with you on this one. randy, because was it a clear message sent to those who might consider exposing the secrets of a government to not do so or face the fate of julia sanchez? the look of the jonathan schulty was a message putting him in prison for the rest of. ready life uh what's his name? i know i'm gonna go to russian references like uh, you know, there are people if you're determined like daniel else or if you have a conscience, you know, if you put your own sake your own for you in the backseat and you act on it just have to just, you know, if you're compelled to do something, you will do it. so i don't think it's going to be a deterrent to best of lawyers. and maybe a few of them, maybe to some journalists,

they may be fearful of study with you leaks material. they might be afraid of that, that they're being watch, but there's other ways to get around it. i believe, and it is much, you know, it's going to be difficult because the spying in this country is so heavy under. it's bad enough. and then buying comes in and exhilarates it, and so people are side on their listen to all the time to watch, you know, so love you never know. i mean, i went to russia last year in ukraine last year, when i got back, i was fearful for the next 2 months, you know, driving around. it was driving like 40 miles an hour on the freeway. you know, thinking that uh, you know, as they get pulled over like, you know, really going slower than i show now. so, yeah, i, i was fearful of this government and people should be fearful because, i mean, we're run by a bunch in new york. fine is a hard core, new york. right. let's be honest. when it's not blind, it's blinking. solomon,

we're running the operations here and these guys don't like, leaks, these guys don't like repressed and they will use what and the c i a of course 1000 . and that's a dozen so they will use whatever means possible to prevent any future leaks that like damage of their credibility under edge, you know, how sad it is it someone is afraid when they're doing nothing wrong. they've not done anything illegal that they are afraid in their own country. that right there. i guarantee that's not what the american founding fathers or any country signing fathers would want. so the people that lived in their country, and it's a sad state that we're living in. but i digress. i actually went to go to you on this one misty because you followed the assigned case. but there's obviously some crossovers to dealing with edward snowden. so i'm wondering if this could actually signal a deal for edward snowden, which would allow him to come back to the united states. what do you think? i mean, it's possible, certainly. i think that now the, the,

the balloon has been talked. and so i think frankly, i think that the support for as those been growing much more quickly then joined us on. so i think the snowdon has a lot of support here in the united states. i think it's difficult to get that kind of support for julianna's ponds. i think a lot of that is in fact that snowden has in fact, american enjoying this on just not for different reasons. but i do think that there is a significant amount of support for the like, like edward snowden here in the united states. and so i think it's certainly possible. the question really is, i mentioned, but the idea that people in this country are afraid when i'm wrong, what do you want to come home? i'm not sure i would. i mean, i'd be pre approval of that. if i meant to know that i'm, i'm pretty sure i would happily data and project myself, he's got a family now a very young family. so i think really the question we need to ask is, is it possible that that could offer opportunity for a pardon for him, for the opportunity for him to return home? sure. what do you want to know so? sure. let's see. i like the way that you look at different things from different

perspective. i think that's very, very wise as you no doubt. but arnold, you kind of brought it up because we are in a presidential election year. and do you think donald trump will consider pardoning assigned if elected? and why do you think he did not issue a pardon at the end of his 1st term? the 1st i'd like to mention is i totally agree with the notion that the uh, but in uh, actually blinking all those people there. right? we neil cons car park, right. we have that being said, as you know, trump is an erratic pershing. and with regards to a rush that's been, you know, not always the same view getting present even when he says i'm, i'm the one who can actually deal with. he didn't this, i mean, i'm the one who over throw. but that's with the different pets of that say for the big they want to want to over. so here what was your trends, orientations, a bit the uh, a bit. uh,

what easy going say we have to deal with these people who show the other leaders as well. so i think that it is quite possible that trump makes see, you know, when he becomes of that country will be a record that he will consider. perhaps consider, i don't want to go out of the living the make. consider a party for the snowden, because as you said, is very popular. it says, no, he's in america. this will help from, in the 1st few months or the 1st couple of years of his new presidency. and so i think this is possible. you never know the fact exempt. well, it goes both ways, the part and so it might be something like, uh, like, uh, pardon me. uh, edward snowden, bring them back to where it is, comes from united states of america. but randy, i'm going to end with you on this one question because we, you know, trumpet did not pardon, joined aside at the end of his 1st term a lot people scratched or how do you think it had anything to do with surgery or

state mike pompei or who recently it was revealed tried to have julian assigned, murdered. do you believe that what would have been pompous motivation and do you think this had anything to do with why trunk did not pardon julia massage. and you got one minute truck? i think the gun put to is said, alright, basically at the last minute because he was going to do it. but somebody came into that office and said you do this. it's all, you know, chuck schumer said see i can screw 7 days on sunday and that's exactly what they would have done if he had done it at that point time. i. so as far as the loan goes i, i concur with missed the i do not think he will come back or should come back. moscow is a beautiful city and i was there for 2 weeks and. ready really a beautiful city, right. wonderful restaurants and there's plenty of food on the stores and restaurants. he should stay there because if he comes back here,

he's going to get hit by some, you know, well, crazy guy. well, i want you to, well, i want to thank you, mr. west and for all of your work that you did. i think it helps keep a spotlight on julian for all these years. brand new cre deco and aren't on august you as well. thank you. so much for joining me and for giving us your perspective. thank you. i appreciate it. thank you. well, i hope this is not the end of joining us on his work. i don't blame him as he paid a very high price for his disclosures with the time and possibly could have paid the ultimate price with his life. but what happens is no one is there to pick up the man to a freedom fighter in his absence. what is the darkness continues to grow, knowing there is little to no chance it will ever be exposed or even less likely to be held accountable. this is more than just publishing conspiracy. this is good versus evil, without those like julian of such. so even if for a moment in time, risk of their livelihood to try and save humanity, corruption will prevail as

a person like juliet assigned, reminds us of the power of one. and what a single individual can do to fight the deception by the elite and the powerful. but it is just as important that when we have someone willing to take the risk for freedom, those who also seek could unite to support and defend as the weapons will quickly form against them. one might be able to win the battle, but it will take all of us to win the war. i'm sky now. hughes. that is just my perspective. you can follow me on twitter at scott and hughes, and we're going to see you next time. the. the

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