as father now he gets to head back to his homeland. i'm australia and what seems to be the conclusion to a decade long legal battle. a legal battle will start in 2011. when the swedish government accused assigned of sexual assault and issued a warrant for his arrest, not only did assigned to deny the allegations, but it became apparent julia saunders being targeted because of his work on his website, wikileaks and the work it was doing to expose the lies being told by the american government to its people in 2009 chelsea manning who was previously known as bradley manning before here transitioning and a military intelligence analyst disclose the wikileaks hundreds of thousands of documents regarding the detainees at the us detention camp at guantanamo bay, as was never before seen documents regarding the warner rack. now eventually, u. s. government charged assigned with 18 accounts of espionage. this robust launch

to seek refuge in the ecuadorian embassy and u. k, with minimal contact with the outside world. but the damaging information released by snowden was nothing compared to the democratic national committee's mass week of more than 20000 emails, which happened just a few months before the 2016 election. an unprecedented move, it was exact source, is still a mystery. however, revealed multiple scaling revelations about the dn say like a coordinate efforts with hillary clinton campaign against bernie sanders. several employees racist interrogatory, treatments of others within the organization. and the various international business ties between the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's campaign advisor, john podesta of this task. so the headlines and the crucial last few weeks of the 2016 campaign creating a firestorm of controversies that many democrats believe caused the loss of hillary, clint presidential bit. of course,

this was not going to go unnoticed and those in power in several countries around the world. new not only did julian assigns and his wikileaks websites need to be silenced. but future whistle blowers needed to be sent this message. they would pay for any actions they took, which would expose any corruption which of taking years to hide. all of this brings us to the day. and after years of legal battles in public demonstrations, julia saw i'm just now a free man. but did the man who was seen as a fighter for freedom of speech and press sacrifice the fight in the future for his own freedom? well, let's ask our get a panel of experts. their perspective on jr. sounds release and what will happen in the future? joining me is randy credit go, who is a comedian, radio host, an activist misty weston, a political activist, and the organizer and co host of action for a sausage and on august,

who is an author and journalist. thank you all for joining me today. thank you. great to be here. thank you miss you. i wanna start with you. why do you think the british had a change of heart and released assange? i think there's a, that's a very complicated answer. i think there are many things that played into that. there's a lot of moving parts here. i think that obviously it was a political disaster for many countries, australia and the u. k. the united states. i think obviously the unrelenting pressure from activists around the globe was really starting to break through it. you know, the move it to, it's a free assault has been growing over the past many years, but really in particular, since he was pulled out of the equity. right? embassy in 2019. so i think that there was a lot of moving parts or there were a lot of i, i imagine a lot of really frantic conversations happening behind closed doors on how to get out of this. well, also saving face. i think that this was probably the best option for all parties involved. arnold, we know one of the terms of the release was time we had already served. do you

think those were the only conditions as well as appear for so to say that i don't think that uh by the sand. re to that p d o that, that represents in any way shape or for a debt permit to journalism. freedom of the press now in the future, i see why i asked to look at it in the context. what was the main goal of united states and britain and britain? their goal was just to go drive the next. is that a pair of those terrible conditions in bell marsh, even pushing him towards perhaps suicide. what one does not know, but the fact is in the prison, he stood up every single day. never gave it. he never went on his knees for that go . in fact, it came from the others from united states and britain, and the fact that he signed it. i will say that it means that it's the sacrificing

the principles of journals in the future. people who just joined a sack represents you represent the freedom of journalism. i know you stood up to this state. those terrible conditions i, kate came out of prison, is had head held high. so he used to work, of course, can carry on. and the simple of doing a search, as the fighter for freedom of the s, for the race of journalism i think, is going to be even stronger because noah's stops. and i believe in speaking out uh in the, in australia or any you to internet as well. i believe i'll just say are those things are telling me you think they like join a size basically just walk out of jail and didn't put any restrictions on him that he can just go do whatever works he wants to continue to do you think that they're just so you know what, we're, we just keep doing what we're doing, exposing all of us. we're fine. we're not worried about you anymore. you know, uh, i don't really believe that that, that there were no conditions, but the fact is,

i also read a few days ago that right after his release, we key lease link a whole row of up to that time, unclassified documents with regards especially to the state the dnc hillary clinton . so this thing is still going on, even though perhaps to get a sense is not directly involved. you know, the restrictions may be until you assess a search, but we see leaks and other a journalist other ok that are dictating to digging up the truth with regards to the american politics. they still have a free head to, to, to do so. and of course, well what us, you may not have the right to issue other, which leads to the test that she did before. who stopping him speak. i never read anywhere that he cannot give his opinion. on the issue of paternalism,

all the issue of the dnc on the issue of the american political system, america foreign policy. i do not see any restriction on that. and knowing julia said, not personally, but just from following. so close this period, when it comes time, she will definitely speak out. i'm coughing, he will speak up. i don't think there's a restriction for him to speak of verbally. and the advantage is that he's out of prison. so the microphone will be geared towards him. well, i know that is one of mary sauce. well, that's one very solid off interview. i know every journalist i'm in the world right now would like to have that 1st comes in. i say that's good journalists, true journalists that are not, are hiding anything. we'd like to have that conversation with them, but then i got to go to you on this one. randy, do you actually think that conversation is going to happen because i have to look at, do you think this was just a coincidence? because all of the dnc emails were deleted, the day assigned was released. kind of interesting. is that just a coincidence? i, i really have no idea. i don't expect him to seek out any time soon. i certainly wouldn't

ask them. i've interviewed 3 times of prior and a 2017 and 16. i would ask them to be interviewed by be okay. so right now it needs to be compressed, and i think it would be totally wrong for so you want to see interviewing various thoughts for their own. you know, status key. this is, this is a 13 year hard deal. it's bad enough and actually during the embassy and the 5 years at a time on the ground floor, really put, you know, a lot of so i can watch physical harm to him. so he needs a long time. i work with prisoners for 25 years and they do 51012 years of prison when they come out. now never this thing really takes long time to adjust and i think everyone should just leave him alone right now. and they don't speak when we see any real freaking out or something that i think a lot of people want to hear. misty, were you surprised while there was

a lot of i say a lot of coverage within obviously social media. so some of the alternative media groups, they obviously covered the genocide, you might have got a 32nd blip on most west or mainstream. were you surprised at the lack of coverage of julia as not as being released from jail? you know, of course not. they haven't been covering this case for the entirety of the duration of it. i mean, every once, maybe once every 6 months or so, they do like a 2 minute segment where they would spin it terribly and malign. julianna's sons' lie about him smear and things like that. so it's a completely on surprising to me. the mainstream media did not cover uh, basically the certification the dns email were in fact uh deleted off of what you weeks following his release. the, the, the website has been having issues with those documents for years. this is not something that's new, it's been for years now that those have been i'm not sure what the issue is. i'm sure maybe somebody from what you least can comment on the, the technical issues that they've been having there. but that's been something that's been reported on since i think even just the 2021. so the dnc leaks are that,

wasn't that something that was to be the following? has really the best thing going on for a long time, but uh yeah, to circle back to your question. not at all surprised that mainstream media ignore . this is what they do. well, there's no doubt, i think several governments would love to be able to take down the wiki leaks website and they've been unable to successfully do that for a long time right now. the julian's free will be interesting if they continue to make those attacks. and in fact of them on there, i do have to ask you on right now, i'm sure you're familiar with the dnc least cuz i think that was actually the nail that really made julia sondra huge started here was already, but really definitely made a target on his back by a, by several different groups. do you think it's only just that, but any of these email links have come out from because they do, have you ever seen anybody implicated or held accountable for what would you leaks has been exposed besides, automatically i've got edwards phone is had a the, the good guys, the ones that are actually doing the rest of the line, they're being held accountable for it, but anybody else who was implicated, we've never seen anything actually come about those that actually did the wrong

that were supposed by wiki leaks at this point. and i think that's what the julian massage exposed with regard to the dnc. that whole part is leadership. it has become, it was relative. and then of course, it was very relevant, dropped during the, his entire ford deal in the embassy and the theatre in that torture hall, which is called bar ball merch prison. but i think it takes on even more relevancy . let me give you an example. i was watching the like everyone else i guess who had the stomach to do so. the debate between the buyer and trunk presidential debate just a few days ago. i do know what made me most 2nd name. there was nothing but trumps here. no, i'm not a trump supported, but i think what made me, what's the most discussed, the was what the other vitamins, both when he said 3 different location, different, very inches. we are from the end of the, of the world. this is by and i'm quoting,

for every touch of would like to be as, as we are leading the world leading the civilized world. so here this is the, the person who a to devices, the, i type corruption in the dnc. that truly x a. spose, would you be coming even more relevant today as i, as you know, it's another topic. what is going on in palestine today? you know, it's not the same. of course the guy has done, but he expos then before the current us up the united states and israel against god is even more relevant because the same type of things are happening there. the only difference is, fortunately, we don't really need wiki links for that because they base the media has to deal with that. they have no way out. but i think that georgia says he was imprisoned for his ideas. it came out, his ideas are still there and these same ideas is virus. and i agree with you we,

we should be posting some papers released uh from, from prison. his no temporary or if it is sliced restricted freedom, its a victory for sure. well, i think it's a very proud american. i think we all here in america, when joe biden said that, i think we all had a giggle and a laugh going. he doesn't actually believe that right now is the current state that we're in. but randy, i wanna, i wanna talk to you because you mentioned that you spoke a 2nd i i, i think he really believes that he really believes that that's and said worked well . he also believes that he walked across the bridge and, and maryland and several other aspects that, you know, afterwards they had just been, it's quite a few fact checks and corrections on. so, but that's exactly, i think why julia sondra so important today is because while the rest of the media can just glance over and not have to talk about it, randy, i have to ask you real quick before we go to break. you mentioned you actually talked to join us on several times. 20162017. do you think that this experience is

going to make him change how he handles these types of situations going forward? or is he already said, you know what? you've already come at me, you've already done the worst you can do. i mean, i'm still alive. i'm against mike pompei of his wishes, i think. but i'm going to keep going. i'm going to go harder now that you've left me out. what do you think is, what do you think is tenacity is going to be when he does have the rest needed that he deserves and comes out to the public. or once he recovers ac compressor's, i expect them probably to go back to doing what he did before i did that. i have him on my radio shown to 2016 and 17. i visited him in the embassy 3 times in 2017. uh, and he was already under a toner pressure earlier this year. remember uh, palm peo called him uh something which i checked carriers, misty can correct that. uh but uh, that's correct. uh at that point. uh he was, he was in that he was a target the crossest of this. yeah,

it was ball 7 that really led to the prosecution. there's no question about that. that's when they really went crazy at the c i a n c i a has been driving this prosecution for a long time. that's why i never expected. and many people are not optimistic that he would ever get out. maybe it was a campaign issue. i mean, i don't know why this campaign, but uh, maybe basis this might help, i don't know what they, they probably wouldn't watch uh once they brought him over here, but able to drag it out for another 6810 months and in the prison, waiting with the appeals and everything, and it could've died there. so it was all 7, it was the dnc email is all messed up. what linking that to russia was part of the smear job were both ways here in june, designed and smearing russia, which has let this, that whole rush, the gate shirad, which is continues to percolate right now to demonize russia in

a way for this proxy war in ukraine, so um i wish you were around to expose some of this stuff that's going on that keeps this proxy or happening costing 600000 righty allies making all of these military contractors billionaires basically well as oh and then rented your points. so i might say that one of the reasons why you did it out as they can see that potentially this was going to be coming to an end and not sure how the west is wanting to be. so they went on let them out now so that it wouldn't be such a surprise. but that is a great lead into our conversation after the break. randy, could you go critic, misty width in arnold august? don't go away. a, just after the break, we're going to continue our discussion and examine what this might mean for other whistle blowers like edward snowden. we will also consider whether, if elected president, trump will correct the mistakes he made at the end of his 1st term and issue

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the speed, the one else calls question about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on russia to day and split ortiz food next. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. what question did you say they requested the, the sky. now here's an you're watching perspective. we're going to bring back in our panel, discuss what kind of message julie on his on his jail time. and now release might

send to other whistle blowers, brand new credit, co, comedian and radio host actor with misty winston and political act was organizer and co host of action for assigned an arnold august author and journalist. i want to thank you so much for staying with us. okay. i'm gonna actually start with you on this one, randy. because was it a clear message sent to those who might consider exposing the secrets of a government to not do so, or faced the fate of joined assange? the look of the jonathan schultz was a message putting him in prison for the rest of. ready life uh, what's his name? uh, well, i know i wanna go to russian. rest is like, uh, you know, there are people, if you're determined like daniel else or if you have a conscience, you know, if you put your own safety role for you in the bakshi and you act on it, just have to, just, you know, if you're compelled to do something, you will do it so i don't think it's going to be a deterrent to best of lawyers. and maybe a few of them, maybe to some journalists,

they may be fearful of sending with you leaks material. they might be afraid of that that the they're being watch, but there's other ways to get around it. i believe, and just much, you know, it's going to be difficult because the spying in this country is so heavy under. it's bad enough. and then buying comes in and exhilarates it, and so people are side under. listen to all the time to watch, you know, so love you never know. i mean, look, i went to russia last year and ukraine last year when i got back, i was fearful for the next 2 months, you know, driving around. it was driving like 40 miles an hour on the freeway. you know, thinking that, you know, isn't a get pulled over like, you know, really going slower than i sure. yeah. so yeah, i, i was fearful of this government and people should be fearful because, i mean, we're run by a bunch in new york. fine is a hard core. neil. right,

let's be honest. it's not buying, it's blinking sullivan. we're running the operation here and these guys don't likely, these guys don't like repressed and they will use of what and the c i a of course 1000 and that's a dozen. so they will use whatever means possible to prevent any future leaks that like damage of their credibility and their image. how sad it is it someone is afraid when they're doing nothing wrong, they've not done anything illegal that they are afraid in their own country. that right there, i guarantee that's not what the american founding fathers or any country sounding fathers would want. so the people that lived in their country, and it's a sad state that we're living in. but i digress. i actually went to go to you on this one misty because you followed the assigned case, but there's obviously some crossovers to dealing with edward snowden. so i'm wondering if this could actually signal a deal for edward snowden, which would allow him to come back to the united states. what do you think?

i mean, it's possible, certainly. i think that now the, the, the balloon has been popped. and so i think frankly, i think that the support for as those been growing much more quickly then joined us on. so i think the snowdon has a lot of support here in the united states. i think it's difficult to get that kind of support for julian his ponds. i think a lot of that is in fact that snowden has in fact, american enjoying this on just not for different reasons. but i do think that there is a significant amount of support for the like, like edward snowden here in the united states. and so i think it's certainly possible. the question really is, i mentioned, but the idea that people in this country are afraid when i'm wrong, what he wants to come home. i'm not sure i would. i mean, i'd be proud your whole of that. if i mentioned that i'm, i'm pretty sure i would happily data and project myself, he's got a family now a very young family. so i think really the question we need to ask is, is it possible that that could offer opportunity for a pardon for him, for the opportunity for him to return home? sure. what do you want to?

i'm not so sure. let's see. i like the way that you look at different things from different perspective. i think that's very, very wise as you no doubt. but arnold, you kind of brought it up because we are in a presidential election year. and do you think donald trump will consider pardoning assigned, if elected? and why do you think he did not issue a part in at the end of his 1st term? first i'd like to make sure that i fully agree with the notion that the buy in uh, actually blinking uh uh, all those people there, right? we neo cons car park. right. we know that being said, as we know, trump is an erratic pershing, and uh, with regards to a rush or its been, you know, not always the same view. got it. okay. uh, even when he says i'm, i'm the one who can actually deal with him. he didn't necessarily mean i'm the one who will over throw, but that's with the different pets of that same for the big. they want to want to

over throw him what, what, you know, trends orientations a bit a bit. uh, what easy going say we have to deal with these people who show the other leaders as well. so i think that it is quite possible that trump makes see, you know, when he becomes of that country, you will be elected. that he will consider, perhaps consider, i don't want to go out of the list and the mates consider a party for a stone because as you say, he's very popular in the states. no, he's an american and this will help from in the 1st few months or the 1st couple of years of his new presidency. and so i think this is possible. you never know the fact that you don't forget. well, it goes both ways. the part and so you might do something like, uh, like, uh, pardon me. uh, edward snowden, bring them back to where it comes from united states of america. but randy, i'm going to end with you on this one question because we, you know, trump did not pardon join us on to the end of his 1st term. a lot people scratched

or how do you think it had anything to do with surgery or state, mike pompei, or who recently it was revealed tried to have julian assigned, murdered. do you believe that what would have been pompous motivation and do you think this had anything to do with why trunk did not pardon it? julia massage. and you got one minute slot because i think the gun put to is said alright. basically at the last minute because he was going to do it, but there are some when he came into that office and said, you do this, it's over. you know chuck schumer said c r a can screw 7 days to sunday and that's exactly what they would have done if he had done it at that point in time. so as far as loan goes i, i concur with missed the i do not think he will come back or should come back. moscow is a beautiful city and i was there for 2 weeks and it's really a beautiful city, wonderful restaurants and there's plenty of food on the stores and restaurants. he

should stay there because if he comes back here, he's going to get hit by some, you know, well, crazy guy. well, i want you to, well, i wanna thank you miss to winston for all of your work that you did. i think it helped keep a spotlight on julian for all these years. ran to cr deco and arnold august you as well. thank you so much for joining me and for giving us your perspective. thank you. i appreciate it. thank you. well, i hope this is not the end of drilling asides work. i don't blame him as a bit a very high price for his disclosures with the time and possibly could have paid the ultimate price with his life. but what happens is, no one is there to pick up the mantle of freedom fighter. in his absence. what is the darkness continues to grow, knowing there is little to no chance it will ever be exposed, or even less likely to be held accountable. this is more than just publishing conspiracy. this is good versus evil, without those like julian of such. so even if for a moment in time,

risk of their livelihood to try and save humanity, corruption will prevail as a person like julia and assigns, reminds us of the power of one, and what a single individual can do to fight the deception by the elite and the powerful but it is just as important that when we have someone willing to take the risk for freedom, those who also seek good unite to support and defend as the weapons will quickly form against them. one might be able to win the battle, but it will take all of us to win the war sky. now hughes, that is just my perspective. you can follow me on twitter at scott in hughes, and we're going to see you next time. the. the

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to start using the bumps in a field box and you will have in here when you push up the issue of the, of them. but the model move up is to move 0 easy. let me see if the way anything you go ahead and send the deal is make up the bell. i don't yeah. post the by general. so, but i use the yeah, i'll be thinking and then use face, but i mean 58 and i maybe cause it please go ahead and i'll just communicate to me through a couple of nationally claims. but it just those we have the we have such all push mojitos to yeah, you're losing a deal in space, but i don't think he will definitely stays a little in the tub. the but your move in would you spend these, these pretty big news the i'm sitting is up with them you got thrown and this is the one and then the other will be missing. the guns thing, some little more simple believe is so it in 90 is not old on the side of me seeing it's a lot that is up with them for the

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