deportation and mass murder of quarter of a 1000000 jews from the wall. so get so on. holocaust trains contributing in gaza today if you accept the estimates of the medical journal alonzo, that's the number of palestinians killed by u. k. u. s. u weapons maybe proportionately like wiping out 5 and a half 1000000, mostly women and children in britain or 27000000. mostly women and children in the usa. millions had been left to starve with nowhere to hide his hospitals, schools and all signs of human civilization are in i, elated by nature weaponry and to google and amazon cloud computing systems. well, this is prison. judging is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu propose for wednesdays applause from the u. s. congress, board and paid for by his riley lobbyist. today at the white house, he meets genocide, joe accused even by his own supporters of being demented. all that while presumed next year as president trump has appointed design is ohio, similar to j. d vons as his vice presidential nominee. joining me from jerusalem, his veteran is rarely negotiator and middle east director of the london based

international communities organization and human rights advocacy group, dr. gosh on baskin, dr. baskin. thank you so much for coming on. let's just start with whether you've seen is really, authorities fail so badly as they are now, despite the support of europe and union and the united states after israel is the one that's become alienated from the whole of the world except those nato countries . and i think this is become recovery. individuals become alienated from large number because really citizens who no longer want this government to hold us no longer what nothing. y'all was our prime minister. it is a chilling introduction that you gave one that's quite a stormy and it's just mold in reality that we're living here in israel and palestine. and any rational person has to intimate that it seems that israel has no coherent strategy,

a facing the palestinians, facing the aggression that started by homeless on october 7th. they end up in y'all's call for the total victory is something which is certainly not achievable through any military means. there has never been a military solution to the is what he published and in conflict, there still is no military solution to this conflict. there's only a political diplomatic solution and nothing now has done everything possible since 2009 to avoid a diplomatic political solution to these already posted in conflict. i mean, it's easy to blame a israel occupancy for all of that. i'll get on to the is there a, the population, but it's not just that yahoo is a, i mean it's blinking sullivan bite and they're the people visiting israel. and i mean that, and you know, to the deep, you couldn't be doing any of this without the help of the united states. good. rather than just the thing is a little the time from the beginning of the war

a way back 9 and a half months ago. the united states could have been the door in the weeks time in 2 weeks time, simply by telling israel that we're not supply you with any bones anymore to drop on gossip. and that would have put in to the war, but in the american administration of the british government and other european countries, other countries around the world have supported israel's 1st of all right, to defend himself and north. and once from us, no one was about to stay in power and goss. this was c. 92 is the ultimate opportunity to change the reality on the ground. don't think that any one could have imagined the amount of slaughter and the amount of chilly instruction that has taken place over the last 90 and a half months by the is really army with american and other weapons. and then this is certainly shown us and that this is not sustainable. this has to end this war that's been going on between israel and the palestinians for more than a 100 years. now this more has to be the last work. let me tell you on that

actually what, why do you think those european does so states and the united states by them blankets of why they doing that, then if they don't like then yahoo so they say as well, it's not a matter of not to know i really think it in your introduction you talked about the, the, the holocaust in for is really jews. more jews were killed. one place one time on october 7th. and at any time since the holocaust and your serial was traumatized. not only have the, the incredible number of people killed in their homes taken out of their beds, taken as hostage into casa a, but we also have the reality, the israel was supposed to be the same kind of thing, is there was a place where we're protecting ourselves were being our lead, protects us and on october 7th, and it wasn't there. and people were lifting their shelters in the hose and the keyboards and communities along. it also stood calling for help and no one came to assist them. and we hear that every day is through has not gone to october 8th yet, is really still on october 7th. and i think it is origin,

a very good job of transmitting that trauma to the united states and to other european countries. primarily that how this was back in terms of perhaps a sense of guilt. going back to the holocaust renewal, which is there to predict the jews when jews tried to escape and that was the country that would take them. i think there's a sense of guilt here. i think that there was a time, a moral imperative to help the jewish people establish a safe saving for themselves. and that's not the case today in and say, i think we are seeing changes. we're seeing changes in the united states, maybe not at the level of the destruction, but i'm gonna charge you for americans today. i think support the cause for palestine have independence and freedom. we're seeing that across europe and civil society all around the world, as he said, israel's between isolated and israel's being brought to the international court of justice in the international criminal court. and the space in this world for is really is because of our government is going to get smaller and smaller. uh, yeah,

i mean, clearly, uh, the uh, october, the 7th the massacres have changed the character i've been on this show. we've talked about it. we had a former justice minister these really government honda to didn't accept what was being said back then gray zone electronic intifada. mondo eyes have been talking about what permits is now exposed. it wasn't come. us that killed all those people as you say, the worst atrocities into the holocaust in terms of numbers of debts. it was the israeli government. they've killed all those people on october, the 7th i read going. so i was just saying that, so really don't need the evidence really points in that direction. you're one or 2 cases where we know that it is really training fire to the home where there were hostages being held by from us terrorist. there were a couple of cases, but what did you make of that? i read, i mean, this is the, is really media. i mean, in the media or of country, supposing sending the weapons,

we don't get any of that kind of information. but these railey media clearly saying the hannibal doctrine was involved on october the 7th. he thinks the investigation of what happened on october 7th. so prior to october 7th, there is the demand by the people of israel to create a national commission for inquiry heavy by supreme court judge that not in your reviews is to create but i think that there is no denial, but 3000 palestinians across the border from gaza into israel on october 7th, and committed atrocities went through and open the air and use it to dance festival and murder. 340 people, burn people in their homes. the large children in front of the, apparently some parents in front of joe tree up at the end of the 0 evidence is the front of the young girls which is invited on this show will invite him on move for work. so this is really paper. i read so i mean your particularly interesting to speak to because of your past as regards negotiation to piece. because i think that is a big mistake to try and cover over the atrocities committed by unless we have the

most cross more a red lines on october 7th, it should never be crossed. just as israel has been crossing more, we learned we need to, we need to see the inquiry that you were calling for the net and the i was not allowing to, but you were involved in a piece deal to really is can add, surely or so there are some with us, it was a hostage reduce, the only exaggerated between was a you would be the ideal was discrete. joe, do you know think that there is some, is riley, it's a, we in these really staying through. so the number of a palestinian prisoners were released as part of the deal that should never happen to a game. and that's why the hannibal directive was used on october the 7th to mass kill . so many is rarely used by the israeli army on by brittany and i just get another opinion. yes, i can. they were isolated cases that we know of that are documented weird because really barley ended up doing is really is on october 7th, the overwhelming majority of the board,

the $1200.00 people were killed on the dates were killed by whom asked, why do you know that it's interesting, you say that because we know the discredited zach of movements, logistics. we know that the un looked into, for instance, this actual crimes that were of talked about widely in the media or in the united states in europe in union. they would discredited shortly off to view it while they were last. we see you when reports view and by report issues clearly says there's no evidence to the claims. well yeah, i read the report. it definitely says the about products here in the specs can be brought in, shows that this is not correct. this is not the heart of the matter. so it's in your thing and i'm not, you know, i'm us, you talked about last people. you're saying that like animals, they were just trying to kill themselves and political violence, a much kind of moves. i said that they committed atrocities on october. so the show me the point was to copy, you know, all stages for the hostage during oceans. that may have been the initial plan and people and from us told me that we sent 1500 of our fighters into israel on october

7th. we expected a 1000 of them to be killed, but it's really our lead. we expected to capture all the bases, antique soldiers as hostages, but they didn't define is where the army, they are protecting the border and they didn't go to army basis. they went to civilian communities, they went to, people seem to, they went to most are being, they want to stay, ro, dental, 14. these are towns on the border where they went in the village and they killed and they break them. they did a truck, there's no evidence of rain whatsoever. one, no evidence or re whatever, according to that, there's a you in lots of them. i mean, i don't want to think about, i don't want to argue about this, and i really don't. you either it's, it's a very sensitive, oh no. okay, you said a moment to go to me to be, you want an inquiry. why then? i was really authorities not having an inquiry that would prove your allegation, you know, making these allegations which are so far and substantiated. it's not about october 17, for the i want to let them know implemented

a policy since 2009. that sort of divide the palestinians to create a delivery device, palestinian authority, and the boss of his head, and to empower a weekend from us and gaza in order to stay to the world. we have no parking for peace, nothing you know to everything in his power to prevent the 2 state solution from emerging. and this is why i believe there needs to be a commission of inquiry. it's not just about what happened october, october, 7th, and every day since in the last 9 and a half months. but also what happened during the world of years prior when it gets there, a refuse to negotiate a 2 state solution with palestinians. the 2 state solution there were palestinians, a majority of post and into advocated into space ocean. but we have the government with israel, which was committed to never allowing an independent publish done to be established . and that's why we need a commission of inquiry, not just to figure out what happened on october 7th. we also need to know why the army wasn't there. well, i guess where the army was defending settlers in the occupied westberg, and they weren't defending israel's boarders. how in the last 2 decades,

the israel defense force, the idea became, is where the occupation police force not doing the job for which it was established in fortune which we serve and send our children disturbing. but israel's army has the color of protection for squares where the surplus, i want to know why they weren't on the border on october 7th. when you think about it. if there had been a dozen times and 3 attack helicopters in the air on october 7th, early in the morning, october 7th wouldn't have happened. that's all it would have taken to prevent that massive atrocity read on the state of israel that morning. got sort of asking, i'll stop you the more from the middle east director of the international communities organization after this break the car acceptance. and i'm going to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he

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who has been granted political asylum because he's being persecuted by the f. b. i . us, embassies. and for countries that come after me it's, it's wild like an american family that recently moved to russia with 6 children. i've never felt safe for my entire life. then living here the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with veteran is really negotiator. don't to go show and basking. stopped a basket and we were talking about the assemblies we had talking about the, the, you know, murky evidence about what happened on that day. but as you said, we've seen the, the repeated breaking of a whole un security council resolutions. and who knows what else as regards human rights against the palestinians for, for decades and for years. just remind us of how close you got to

a peace deal back in 2012. you actually mentioned the backing of i'm us buying that's and yahoo! it was a rock is really defense minister on this program will actually will die when i was talking to him about that because he was associated with the backing of i'm us back then. uh, just remind us of how close you came to a security establishment proposal. i'm why it uh why it broke down your agreement. the agreement with them ask you a negotiator to review. recall in october of 2011, the deal for the release of his release altered you'll actually it was completed with the release of 1027 palestinian prisoners from israel. amongst them there were more than 300 public standing prisoners who were serving life sentences for killing his relatives. yeah. months it was yesterday. so who are, who is the leader from us in gusta, in shortly after the success of the secret back channel, which i have established and was running for the entire time that you located would have been kept giving me more than 5 years. and i started talking with my from us

counterpart interlocutor, us a comment about trying to establish a long term ceasefire. who's today this week? express environments. sorry. who is today? the spokesman problem, us or one of the spokespeople. he's a member of the public bureau, the member of the shore account. so he's one of the from us leaders. he's a outside of god. so he did he left also before the war and was the primary spokesperson of the war from the route at the time. and just aren't able to any more any, any way. and honestly, comedy and i began negotiating a long term expire. she was in it talking directly to the job really, who was the head of the military wing from us. and because at the time, the man who really built the military might of some us at that time, certainly the person who was responsible for objecting and holding it actually lead . um we went through 4 or 5 version, sorry to interrupt better at that time. they were being bankrolled by these are in the government advisory to i don't know why these these really go,

we're never funded from us. the use of the government allows us to be funded from us as a look this a, a financial empire. it's not only $30000000.00 that nothing you know, allowed to come to god's every month. it brought in the suitcases and they later trousers. now how much is the financial? every potters and bitcoin and other triple currencies and businesses around the world and companies that they own and not just the money. and of course, the whole tunnel enterprise they've worked in gaza for years that in richmond, thomas, it was many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. if not a lot more. anyway, we were negotiating long term ceasefire a on the day that a new job to receive the latest version of the test. after i have consulted with these reading the district defensive brock, i consulted with united nations representative with the secretary general and other people about the contents of the, of the draft that we were working on on the morning that the job or to receive the latest version in arabic, later that afternoon, because real assessing agent came in, she was, is seen by israel, has a,

is um, portable enemy, well deserved to die, of israel decided to kill him. it was not connected the mug youtube or negotiations that we were conducting. i'm not sure that anyone in the is really built or really knew that the negotiations we were conducting were ongoing and you're gonna have chances of scripts success. but after dropping it was assassinated. that was the end of those negotiations. and that was in november of 2012. we have no way of independently verifying that information about how much funds. but do you think there were people in the as early stage in most sides and the other elements of the secret said, who are unhappy with the deal to do help negotiate because they didn't want the 1200 to palestinian prisoners. captains old pal of indian hostages out of going back to what i was saying earlier, the, the policy on october 7th of taking hostages because you are dealing created the president. i'm noticing not blaming you for the address of the president. there were deals that happened before the one that idea that you've been released more

palestinian princes to do with document you bring it back in the eighty's. and there were other presidents where you recognize the hannibal doctrine by some in the israeli deep state, trying to avoid look at the time of the deal was made. it was estimated that 80 percent of these really public supported $26.00 members of the is where the government voted for the deal. 3 members live, witnesses voted against it. nothing else supported the most out. they had edition, but the chief of police, the chief of the, is where the army should steps to the army and to the most officer in charge of the file or recommend usually go in to vote for it the day. the deal actually was brought home on october. the 18th in 2011 was the day of celebration in this country. okay, so what's happening now because of polls show that the is really is, i mean, you've already said, then you always deeply unpopular insure might be going to jail. as soon as this, a risk to conflict is over, genocide is over. what's happened?

but now they don't uh, apart from those demonstrating for their relatives who are still kept hostage in guys a most israelis not protesting against the opposed to the genocide we're seeing on our phones every few seconds of most of the women and children being slaughtered by the british american, into your weapons, you know, i think there are 2 things to take into account. what is the most is what is don't seem to hear military disaster, the piece where the army is created in casa, we see the physical damage. all these were the media on these early television. they have shaped talk. we still most sorry. they have take talk. they have social media now there is really don't watch the same tick, tock, channels that you do when they're not on from us as telegram or palestinian telegram. they say it's really media and they trust is really media it and. and they don't seem to humanitarian suffering, but they're also reliving the trauma of october 7th, every single day. and for most is really is what's happening and garza is revenge.

and that's how they relate to it. we don't have a, a rational society which is looking coherently and logically what's being done because we don't see it. now people like me, i get phone calls from friends and goes to every day, just yesterday, a young woman who i hope to support her university tuition and bought her a laptop computer last year with other friends who didn't called me yesterday from the hospital. she was wounded, her mother was wounded. her cousins were wounded with her. the 10th that she was living in your when you miss was destroyed all over property over blogs. this is a human story. i know this woman. i know her name. i've spoken to her. i've seen her on, on what's a video, and most just really is don't have those kind of contacts where they actually know human beings in gaza. but you're down here with the mindset, like with a genocide next door, which they are perpetrating. all we have with the weapons from britain to you as long as you exist. i mean, should, should have country like that exist on the face of the earth, i totally by those,

the estimates from the nonsense thing, which we equate to 27000000. wiped out mostly women and children in the united states. that's what we're talking about. if you killed 27000000 people in the united states, i don't think the question of whether another country should exist as a legitimate question. i think the question is whether or not this conflict has a legitimate reason to continue and ship them to parties be sitting down with the help of our allies in the region and around the world to resolve this conflict. we've been killing each other over our right to exist for a 100 years when i say right to exist. my name is really some bostonians. the fact that we have failed to negotiate a deal that with the naval august to live in peace and security and dignity is the fault of both sides of the complex here in the international community that has allowed us to go on with this complex for so long without forcing us to reach a solution. ok, the weather is realize the right to exist as a cause. because i know you the p l. o. is there any politicians i'm us. they also for the 2 state solution, but you know that many increasing numbers supported once its solution. is it now

time to look at a one state solution instead, all the time was before october, 7th, october 7th, to prove that the one state solution is totally not viable. i actually thought for years before october 7, that the 2 state solution was dead. and we need to find out the solutions and i was talking to a large number of israelis and palestinians. i'm sitting round tables and trying to come up with all kinds of ideas of veneration in confederation in hybrid models. but one of the big surprises of this war is that the 2 state solution is back in front of us. and countries that have been talking about a 2 state solution for 30 years, but only recognized israel or beginning to turn around, but also recognize the state of palestine. and that needs to happen and well, the recognition of palestine doesn't end the occupation. it does remove the veto from israel on the question, the palestinian statehood. there is an equation here that's perhaps simplistic, but the equation is that the post themes will not have freedom and dignity is,

will, doesn't have security. and this really won't have security and posted installer, freedom and dignity. that's not to say that the palestinians, and these are, these all don't deserve freedom, dignity and security. they do. but there's a question that we're talking about between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea. there are 7000000 is ready, jews, and 7000000 posted in error and no one is going anywhere. and the possibility of their living together under one democratic circular state. there's no real. well, they said that in south africa famously, and the perfect can get the most danger you, but it's not the same situation is here. we're not talking about a small minority that controlled a large majority that didn't have any political rights here. you're talking about 2 people's on the people numbers that both claim the territory of their home claim that they give their identity. okay, well just now returning your ident, obviously demographically, that's changing and lots of israelis of left until october, the 7th. i'll give you a don't know how many are we using and we know that 22000 of arrived in israel is

neuberger. and since i saw i saw the figure, but we know how, how many uh, left the same way we do. uh, but demographically, we know where the population is headed. view your disability, demographic question here. it's not a problem. it's the fact that there are 2 people here in a territorial claim. we just their own and both people's need to continue to live here in both people's need to find a window wall. they're having the right to live here. okay. just riley between the river and the c. one sentence, everyone living between the river and the sea must have the same right to the same rights. that's the basis of an in 2 separate 2 separate nation 18 state prevent dates, okay. which is finally been critical of what to as well as done of the icpc investigating the genocide. do you see any prospect from your a bug style? high eddings for genocide? so the idea of what's happening and gaza, look, the question of genocide is one that the international court of justice has moved

that israel is in violation of the convention of genocide. and then if you look at the convention in the breaches of the convention that have been done, but usually people include that we're talking about genocide into your a georgia into the convention. there's pretty massive chilling in gaza, but there is no genocide. there is total destruction. there is the intent of israel to come, not attempt. this really succeeded in destroying all garza but there were more than 2000000 people living in the us and we don't have gas chambers and ovens burning. but these and he's really not dropping an atomic bomb on guns of israel is not going in and plowing people with machine guns in pits that they make them dig like the nazis did to the jews in europe. this is not an actual genocide. it is a breach of the genocide convention. let's be real here. if this were wanting to commit genocide, we would have a 1000000 dead palestinians, not 40000 palestinians. and that's way too much and there's no justification for it . i mean it is a war crime that is realized,

being committed and also i wanted to be clear about that. we have cross narrow red lines and israel's committing more prizes, garza but it's not really a genocide. got your in basket. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences to those bereaved by what many believe is a u. k. you as you um, genocide will be back with a brand new episode on saturday until then keep in touch with me. i will, i, social media of it. so it sets in your country and had to have channel going underground tv on the com to watch new and old episodes. i'm going underground to santa, the hello, and welcome to the cost of full force. here we discussed some real in the

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