and so we've already had cases all across europe of these asylum seekers who have committed crimes, people were done affordable things and would get deported for these crimes. and their filing appeals to the court saying, oh no, but if i go back to my whole country, i will get jailed, executed whatever. and the court so like, you know, we, we can't support you. yes, you are criminal. yes, you are violent criminal. yes, you belong jail, but we can't afford to to. i don't know. i've got to stand wherever. why wouldn't the ukrainians refugees living in europe who have done nothing wrong? be said to certain death. that's absurd. they have every right to try to seek relief. i think they're trying to terrify these ukrainians into voluntarily enlisting in, in these training games rather than wait to be rounded up on the streets of poland as they have been on the streets of ukraine. bullshit mileage. now, how likely is it not the recent spot to come us reconciliation agreement broken by china with less and indeed will it be allowed to come into being in the 1st place?

that's one of the topics explored next. and the latest going under the the i'm action or can see welcome back to going underground rule got single around the world from you a this week you guys are. wall coordinates have benjamin netanyahu receive here as welcome in the us congress. but just outside the capital building, thousands protested the us enabled, genocidal war and garza and the complicity of joe biden find the fullest. of course his re election bid just weeks before the democratic national convention in august

. but just before netanyahu addressed these rail, lovely bankrolled politicians in washington, the b gene declaration resided in china by 14. by this time factions, including a mazda in santa united, the resistance to nature, a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of an eagle u. k. u. s. u armed occupation, 1st hand born in 1994 and bureau by gaza. hockman they'll know, cuz in june of a 2 decades of israel's aggression, the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create. we are not numbers a platform amplifying god's invoices. he joins me now from london. thank you. so much for coming on the show just before he gets in then yeah, whose address this week and the other issue is just remind this one. israel has done to your family as well as the right. it has done somebody, somebody wants, it has been doing for the past 76 years. so the processing and people, it has been mess securing the palestinians. ethnically cleansed them from them as

they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happened to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area and started by is are and when and is there any bomb was dropped on my family, couldn't going of them 21 members of my family were slaughtered or mess occurs while they were sleeping in their beds my father, my brother is my sister's and my 14 nieces and nephews or all the children under the age of 13. this what has this is what's happened to my family and october last year. and actually these are the immediate family members that have lost and this will, but i lost count as others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost family members, relatives, friends. and i lost accounts. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months, and garza, the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accountability and massa grays, destruction of hospitals,

the schools neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i tried to send you what's going on and goes on board. so one surface, i mean uh, what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh, already unpopular prime minister as it gets down to insist on supplying weapons and that, and yahoo own, in the past few days is foreign secretary david allow me, he's by his trip was to see that and yeah, over a photo. cool. said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? of course, i know for sure that these are bread shrub has killed my son, and i know that my somebody was killed by an a 16 or a 6 hour of $35.00, a bumper. and we know for a fact that the parts of these weapons parts of these vehicles have carried the boom to my family, had parts of these forms that my family were manufactured in the okay. and in the us and some other european found the other european countries. so we know for sure

for a fact that part of the bomb that does my family was manufactured in the u. k. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been complicit in the work and part of science since the inception of as right as 7 to 6 years ago. it is the okay that give us are the best for the collaboration in which they give them what they don't on. and they give them the lines of pal assigned to homes, the part assigned to the zionist. and unfortunately for the past 76 years, the u. k. and the u. s. has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologized for the wrong doing so they've done on palestine and more than that they had been right before i think is right. and that's the only with the when been great to can also. but also with the dramatic cover with the media cover, with everything that is what it does up here with everything. is there anything is more than that? they're also looking at the i, c, j and c, a from investigating the war trends in gaza. why does your, why do you think the case number and david allow me to do it as a, uh, is it money?

is it the ignorance? is it? what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide? plausible genocide. i don't know what the, what to drive them to do with that, but uh, but that doesn't spots or whatever, whatever justification they have. it doesn't really matter what matters is that they are providing. is there a with what tend to provide, think is, or even to promote, to cover with me just coverage in order to mess it for the innocent people who cause a bad assign a no matter what the execution is. it can come up with it doesn't really matter, and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that. but the, what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder. but it's some semester because genocide is genocide against the be put in gaza, you close at decades. what makes it different this time? and perhaps it is worse than even the not quite what we're witnessing is that the media, which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain,

the bbc and so on. but the people have written don't support the agendas that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that the both in washington, the protest is outside the capital building? when y'all was speaking to the people of britain as a weekly, almost protests have managed to know the truth, despite what the media has been telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem. but it tells you a lot actually it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely i'm no longer buying this pen. oh, there was some meet you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. presentation of the processing of people in the media. and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the policy and media or the neutral. and with those tentative media, that's that. and that's as, as a broad thing in the list right now with all of it also tells you to what kind of

a democracy with it then what kind of democracy we live in. if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the okay, so forth a ceasefire. the majority of the people into you please support the policy is rides the, the quality, the freedom of the policy and people. and none of that is scarce somewhere in his government and they have previous government. and that's wasn't the okay, did not in this and, and did not live up to the responsibilities the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy, the faith democracy that we have, the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free, as it promotes, they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what we're but what, whatever comes to the add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard no matter how, how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the firm,

but as the unfortunately, especially when it comes to publish funding, is there any, is governments want to change a lot and this is not the setup price, we have known before that before data summer when it came to bar, we know that's when he came to power. he will not do a lot for change. he will not make any difference because for them it's all, it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a goal keen of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece in which 24 year old mom with the, with down syndrome was field attack my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog i'm the beast basically said he died, which is often a refrained comcast guy news, and rupert murdoch's too tv use. it made me angry. it made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc have a corrupt they do. have a crew. ha, you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one that draws to have so many yes, it's one is many, many atrocities because of

a person with down syndrome. and he was beaten by jobs of these with the army when they invaded his home, and they force their family, his family to leave the house. and then they made the dogs bite them until he died . then he was killed of this kind of savage treat this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities and how did the bbc covered that and said that lonely additional for palestinian. just lonely, just about us and yet, but i was, i was i, we actually because it showed how cool the bbc is right now. and but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is i by this sign. the palestinians have always been described when, when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians die. and when is where it is killed, that would always say, they were killed, there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad to sign

accident. notice what effect all the books i have read. what the research that has been done in the bbc coverage, and by the side or most of them, say that the bbc's very biased when it comes to is there. and then by this time. so it wasn't surprised, but i was very and get that despite the genocide that take, that's taking place in gaza despite the 10s of thousands with children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brute to the weight and of our burying away the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way and for what, for what to defend us. right. this country that, that kills the civilians that cause the children that cause women that goes innocent. man it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful, a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean this, the bbc did change the headline and said the idea for involve indicating it, but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because the media always,

the 1st impression in the media always just stays forever. when they publish the 1st assorted this what, what matters on the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple, they have them countless of mistakes like this before and people did not that pay attention to it. during this in britain, the same kind of media propaganda about beheaded babies, rape used. this was across british media in the all got the newspapers, the, the fake news of the for to be headed babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here in the west. and people until now actually this slide was the bunk. and many times ago, but the media center did not apologize. it's not correct. the mistakes they have talked a lot, a lot of lies a baby based and of and that was completely a lie missile information they have reported these fake and use and they never

apologized for it. and this is a better. this is the pattern that the was the media has always used. when did stripe palestine paralysing is die. they simply die or miss misplaced themselves, or just happened to die into part of it as or use our master code. and you think people should protest, have bbc have courses? what would you say to these john? this, i should say, i used to work at the bbc. but what would you say to these drugs? because a britain was a, it will cost environment. they band russian television, a bad chinese television. they band american television in from bro, gus, defacto in britain. i would tell them to wake up because they've coverage kens of the coverage with the bbc and other ministry media. and there was skills the palestinians, the are complicit, and the water tribes. and by the same data complicit in the genocide, they would tell them to wake up because history will not forgive them. it wouldn't be a written down. it has to be that the bbc and the mr. menissi media. they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there

a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover of the color distiller was provided to them by the ministry media. so i would like to call them, i want them to, to, to watch the news, to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core. because those who are being killed and goes to our humans, their, our brothers and sisters and children, and these people should, must be killed in despair. birth with children should never be killed. people with disabilities should not be bitten by dog by dogs. and this was not only a case, most adults beating our bites and the palestinians. many, many of these of these cases where we're improving into media. a women and old women was, was beaten by adult before. as we have seen, a video of that, we have seen a lot of the children looked of a lot of by the bards, for children who were killed intentionally. and also a few days ago, there was

a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who say what you so talking about, i'll know kind of have to stop you bad more from the co founder of we're not numbers after this break, the everything had changed with our daughter. she was completely when they came back and they told jamie, your daughter is having a diabetic ketoacidosis. i was miserable. i just felt sick and nauseous. heart disease, cancer diabetic per on her. obviously. that affects every part of the organist the american diabetes association for better american diabetes association has been bought off by the millions of dollars that the pharmacy, to corp see. and then every year i wasn't given a specific diet i just told to inject and test. so i wish i

could go back and change that the governing bodies such as recommendations out sources, physicians to live within those guidelines for fear of reprisals. people have not been told the full truth on how to manage the diabetes and what, what the consequences are funding low carbohydrate diet. there was a multiple $1000000000.00. they found the corporations that were go bankrupt the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the co founder of we'll not numbers ask with all the hardware they rudely interrupted you in the end of the one you were about to tell you a story about a surgeon in gaza. yes, the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was

a parade's in good doing surgeries and goes on. he told the media that the con to for the to seating costs are, does he have seen in garza the cartridge that's happening in garza? he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has been to many war, many words before many earthquakes, but you see he said that of everything that he has seen in his entire life doesn't match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there, it told that kids, children, what is night, they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army. this is what's happening casa, this is what has become the fact. unfortunately, that was send me, that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for as right. we know i want to keep the palestinian writer. edward said the importance of culture, that's a, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship, i mean,

do you think you can tie in? i mean your project, we are not numbers people, it's of culture in that way to why say, we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration, the unity of resistance. finally, a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally. is palestinians done i of the scores because this is what the media wants to know. the wants you to know everything the, the, what's the media wants to to and what i thought about his son is when palestinians die is when the policy is and it may be a, don't sion attacked. one is right. they would never tell you about the culture about the history of that assign the history of the palestinians who have been living in these plans for hundreds of years for a millennia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do. and this is what we are trying to defy and through the work of we are not numbers. we try to defy that. we send media away, breaking the stereotypes that they often have on the palestinians within the

stories of what kind of thing is when they're struggling. we also to the stories of the palestinians in a bright way, we told the culture we told the history we until the so the civilization of the policy and people be to assume any stories behind the numbers actually open, see, and then use. and there were submitted, and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately, the within media demonizes, the purchasing and all the time, the processing is, are the demons. and this, what makes the people the audiences and the wisdom of care much about that is fine because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else. in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we have power for resilience. we are, we are very ancients people who we have been living there for thousands, a few years. we are the cause of civilization. we have the history is

a little more important than to demonize palestinians as rapists. hence the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media, and all the more important for british american and european union weaponry, then to target everything, read to them to civilization. i think you've talked before about how many no, no need doctors would, professes all the universities of gaza as well as the hospitals you'll find that was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry. luminated lumps, of course, is when is there a last this genocide on the policy and the people that did not target the mass? people did not target the militants. they were very concise with what they do and they wanted so to destroy the infrastructure of guns, or they wanted to destroy and rethink that gives way of life to the people and goes on. so from the beginning of the genocide, they started bumping and targets in university professors and the the, the most have permanent doctors in gauze right now. the number of health care

workers who have been killed by is there instances genocide exceeded 500 people buy from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals. over a $160.00 journalists were targeted what they're covering. the news from garza and they have been telling all the told prominent professors in gaza is that they're doing this because they, they wanted to other people and does it that you don't have a way of living can cause i and the, the policy maybe would have to do because this is ester, nick, it's lindsey and genocide in the cleansing of the policy and people. how can they do ethnic cleansing in gaza without destroying the infrastructure, without destroying those, the permanent people that giving way of life and goes to like health care workers, and doctors and professors and teachers. they have to do that so that the people in cause i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured, it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake

. they're not just sitting, can think unintentionally. they know where they are coming. when they bump my family than you who was in my, in my home and the boomed numberless, then you that there is. but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is, are in and in october when the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their homes, they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life to garza and obviously the top. so i love guys or has been destroyed the museums, the archaeology rather than in some way that the anglo american israel, back to war and syria, where they tried to destroy palomino. and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create the co found we in the numbers of to your brother's death? i my my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 in the previous sorting goes on 2014 and what stuck to me at that time is that someone who spoke english. i realize that

there was some media doesn't care much about the policy is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about the resort as we have just described as the service and the meeting. and then i was, i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and then sharing it with the weld was some sort of therapy to me it was setup should take to right. and then we, we started to know, we decided to duplicate what's happened with media, this american journalist for many other palestinians and 2 big the stereotypes to get. the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their story is without the medium is that is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information, a platform in which the policy is comes right there. so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and describe for i'm no,

i'm not sure how much of hollywood or a british publish is made to publish its own, but who mode. okay, actually if gotten onto eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture aside from culture though, the lot of talk of multi polar world and a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians? or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well to believe it or not? i don't want to rush on a china to come into water because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an end of the genocide and of this must occur and into this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, britain continues on this, so i guess thomas saying he wants to continue boring the weapons. and you know that trump, and kamala harris, who receives a upwards of $5000000.00 from the,

is really low, be a back if you didn't know, you know, you know, the gym and the foreign minister of this week was with the uh, british, british defense minister the gym and the mentor, as the story is said, the genetic neos, a minister, you'll have gland, whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on the people of guys. is that? yes, that is. unfortunately, there are no, as many signs of subbing this genocide think does of what i want to happen. i want to enter this genocide and cause i know not only this genocide, but i also won this conflict to the end to end once on for if we don't. one tours, we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't, so then what will, what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted men to the war to a presumably the way he wants to watch where it is went be with the extermination

of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pettis enhancing the region they want to be spaced on according to their own. i d o g and as long as your hope with an aging declaration that the resistance we really have, i don't really have hopes on a china or russia, and unfortunately, i wish there is a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them to be honest. what do we have seen into china? i've recently, when they did this reconciliation between the purchasing infections is a good step. i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope because we have seen a lot of the considerations that happen between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to, to life actually. so i have other fluids, but unfortunately this tuition is very weak and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i have to stop the pressure

is that i to stop by don't think pressure and to try and that will engage in a war against us for i just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american seas, but i mean, what did it make you feel when you saw the united states investors of united nations then to thomas greenfield, put her hand up to veto as these 5 resolution of the security council, or they would do that, of course they would do that because i view america, i few that you i view the us as partners to us are there? no they're, they're no much different. they're the same people for me as the u. s. a, they are the same country that is waging a genocide again, but against the policy that people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course that would be to and then we would that would be to any decision to enforce the ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right,

but they made it very clear that as there is a friend and there are lie and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just made me angry. but the center on the sort of price to break. so do you think the last name, peg? just finally? i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine, but actually the last the impact will be instability in their own countries. in the united states, in western europe, in britain because the populations that the and i just states and britain support will seem to support you and don't support their governments. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the, with some governments to stop it's complicity against the policy and people against disability and people didn't cause i just wanna think of them is the change course because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's will help them or what, who their people, the people in the west are waking off and i don't think the people will, but

a lot with the complexity of their governments against the people in the science. so i just one of these governments to change course, now and forever. luckily, although thank you. thank you very much. and that's it for the show. i continued condolences tool is very value a u. s. u, i'm genocide will be back on monday with formal united nations assistant secretary general, michael on the showing bugging tool. then keep in touch by the social media or it's not sense that in your country and had to have channel going on the warranty. if you are able to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see monday, [000:00:00;00]

the the, you wouldn't be able to blink the shows this euro atlantic security model has been proven a long time ago to have the main goal of ensuring the domination of the us and its allies over everyone else brushes for administer warren's up the risk stuff in nato lead security system. speaking at the cm ministerial meeting and allow the other, the west is imposing block based confrontation in the asia pacific region and meeting with face really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. donald trump doubles dawn on his support of israel outage, deadly guard defensive in gaza. i will support israel's right to win, is war on terra. you'll have to support the federal instead of finish it all out