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the i'm action or time. see, welcome back to going underground rule. got single around the world from you a. this week you guys are, will coordinate, have benjamin netanyahu receive here as welcome in the us congress, but just outside the capital building. thousands protested the us enabled genocidal war and garza and the complicity of joe biden find the force to quit his re election bid just weeks before the democratic national convention in august. but just before netanyahu addressed these rail lovely bankrolled politicians in washington, the aging declaration resided in china by 14, val assigned factions including ama symphonica, uniting the resistance in nature,

a nation of israel. joining me is a man who knows the reality of an eagle u. k. u. s. u armed occupation, 1st hand born in 1994 and deer out by gaza. hockman they'll know, cuz in june of a 2 decades of israel's aggression, the murder of his brother, i'm and in 2014, drove him to tell his story and create will not numbers a platform amplifying god's invoices. he joins me now from london. i thank you so much. i meant for coming on the show just before he gets in then. yeah, whose address this week and the other issue is just remind this one. israel is done to your family. well, is there a husband? somebody familiar with it has been doing for the past 76 years. so the processing and people have been massacring the palestinians, ethnically cleanse and on them as they were sleeping in their homes. this is what's happening to my family. my family were sleeping in their home in a safe area. instructed by is are, and when and is there any bomb was dropped on my family,

couldn't going of them 21 members of my family where to slow to or where mess occurs while they were sleeping in their bed. my father, my brother is my sister's and my 14 nieces and nephews or all the children under the age of 13. this what has this is what's happened to my family in october last year. and actually these are the immediate family members. i have lost and this will, but i lost count this others of the extended family members. i don't know the number of how many people i have lost family members, relatives, friends. and i lost count. and this is what has been ongoing for the past 9 months, and garza, the total destruction of the infrastructure, the total lack of accounts, ability, and massa grays destruction of hospitals and schools neighborhoods icon. no matter how hard i try to send you what's going on and goes on board. so once the surface, i mean uh what's it like actually being in london knowing that this uh,

already unpopular prime minister as it gets down to insist on supplying weapons. and that, and yahoo only in the past few days is born secretary david allow me, he's 1st drip us to see that. and yeah, over a photo. cool. said we have to keep supplying the weapons. do you think any of these british weapons killed your family? of course, i know for sure that the separate shrub has killed my family. i know that my somebody was killed by an a 16 or 6 or a 35 a bumper. and we know for a fact that parts of these weapons parts of these vehicles that carried the boom to my family had parts of these forms such as my family were manufactured into u. k. and in the us and some other european from the other european countries. so we know for sure for a fact that part of the bomb that does my family was manufactured in the u. k. and this is no surprise to us. we know that the u. k. has been compressed into what impact assigned since the inception of as right. as of it to 6 years ago,

it is the okay that give as are the best for it to flourish, it in which they give them what they don't own. and they give them the lives of pet assigned to homes, the of the part assigned to the zionist. and unfortunately for the past 76 years that you, okay, and the u. s. has been, have been complicit in these wars and gods, but they never apologized for the wrong doing so they've done on palestine and more than that, they have been a right before i think is there and not only with the women. great took them off, but also with the diploma cover with the media cover with everything that is what it does up here with everything. is there anything it's more than that. they're also looking at the i, c, j and r c c a from investigating the war crimes and gaza y d r. why do you think the kids come or, and david allow me to do it today? yeah. is it money? is it the ignorance? is it, what's the reason for them supporting what is being called by these sorts of quotes of genocide, plausible genocide. i don't know what the,

what to drive them to do with that, but uh, but that doesn't spots or whatever, whatever, just the vacation they have, it doesn't really matter what matters is that they are providing because they're a, with what tend to provide think is there anybody to come out take cover with me just coverage in order to muscle for the innocent people to cause a by the side. and no matter what excuses it can come up with, it doesn't really matter. and i don't really want to go into details on why do they do that? but the, what matters is the, the outcome and the outcome is harder. but it's some semester because genocide is genocide against the people in gaza. you close at decades. what makes it different this time, and perhaps it is with the even the not what we're witnessing is that the media, which you alluded to, is continuing its usual role in britain, the bbc and so on. but the people of written don't support the agendas that they want to seize at ceasefire. how is it, do you think that the both in washington,

the protest is outside the capital building with them? yeah, was speaking the people of britain as a weekly illness protests have managed to know the truth despite what the media has been telling them about what's been happening to guys and, and what's been happening in jerusalem. but it tells you a lot actually it tells you that the people in the okay and the us on definitely no, no, they're buying this plan. oh, there was to meet, you know, don't there like they no longer believe the misinformation and bit mr. presentation of the power seem to be but in the media. and there are defying the media there, depending on the, the, the, the, the policy and media or the news for him. but those tentative media that's it. and that's as, as a broad thing in the list right now with all of it also tells you to what kind of a democracy we live in, what kind of democracy we live in. if, if the, if the people in the okay. and we know for a fact that the majority of the people in the ok so forth a ceasefire. the majority of the people into you please support the processing is

rights, the, the quality, the freedom of the processing and people. and none of that is scared. his armor and his government and the previous government. this wasn't the okay, did not in this and, and did not live up to the responsibilities the have to does not listen to the people that are present. and that tells you a lot about the democracy. the faith democracy that we have the fake of freedom that we have in the west. and the width is not as a free, as it promotes, they're not democratic as they promote. and there's only an establishment of elite and politically leads that govern the u. k. and we have a deep to say that governs what, what, what, whatever comes to the add to the foreign policy. and no matter how hard, no matter how, how much there is a change in the government when it comes to the firm. but as the unfortunately, especially when it comes to pet assigning us, there it is, governments want to change a lot and this is not a set of rights we have known before that before data summer, but it came to bar. we know that when he came to power, he will not do

a lot for change. he will not make any difference because for them it's all, it's all the same. and so what, what does it make you feel when say, for a go king of the bbc broadcasts, they put out a piece of image 24 year old mom with the, with down syndrome was killed. the jack, my dogs and the piece basically said, or a dog i'm the beast basically said he died, which is often a refrain to comcast guy news, and rupert murdoch's to tv use, but it made me angry. it made me really angry at that time because i never expected that the bbc have a corrupt they do have a crude ha, you might have to remind our audience what this case was because it's just one that draws to have so many yes, it's one of many, many atrocities it was of a person with down syndrome and he was beaten by jobs of the is where the army, when they invaded his home, and they force their family, his family to leave the house. and then they made the dogs bite them until he died

. then he was killed of this kind of savage treat this, this it's, it was a savage barbarian attack when a person with disabilities. and how did the bbc covered that and said that lonely this of a palestinian, just the lonely this about a senior. but i was, i was i, we actually because it showed how cool the bbc is right now. and but i wasn't surprised because this is how it would be c had had always covered the then use it for me is i by this sign. the palestinians have always been described when, when they're brutally killed, the bbc would always say, palestinians are and when is where it is killed, that would always say they were killed. there were massacred. and i did my dissertation on the bbc coverage on pad to sign accident the notice for effect, older books, i have read what the research that has been done in the bbc coverage and by the side or most of them say that the bbc's very biased when it comes to is there and

then by this time. so i wasn't surprised, but i was very and get that despite the genocide that take, that's taking place in color despite the 10s of thousands with children and women and men who are civilians killed in a brute to the weight and of our burying away the bbc still continues to cover the news in a very, very biased way and for us, what to defend, those are in this country that that kills the civilians. atkins, the children that cause women that goes innocent men it's, it's really shameful. it's really, really shameful, a shameful, and it's time that the rich people to wake up to this. i mean this, the bbc did change the headline and said the idea for involve indicating it, but it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter because the media always the 1st impression in the media, always a stays forever. when they publish the 1st story, this will both matters and the change of the after a lot of pushback from people from the audience. so i figured this out and they

attacked the bbc for doing so, but they have done multiple, they have done countless of mistakes like this before and people did not pay attention to it. during the in britain, the same kind of media propaganda about beheaded babies, rape used. this was across british media and the all the god co newspapers, the, the fake news of the for to be headed babies was in almost all over the, from the covers over the newspapers here in the west. and people until now actually this slide was the bunk and many times ago, but the media center did not apologizes, not correct the mistakes they have talked a lot. a lot of lies a baby based and often that was completely a lie misinformation they have reported these fake and use and they never apologized for it. and this is a better. this is the pattern that the was and media has always used. when did stripe pat assign palestinians die, they simply die or miss misplaced themselves,

or just happened to die and departed at that. so we can use our master code, and you think people should protest, have bbc had courses? what would you say to these john? this, i should say, i used to work at the bbc, but what would you say to these john is because a brittany is uh, it will cost environment. they band russian television, a bad chinese television. they band american television in from bro, gus, defacto and britain. i would tell them to wake up because of coverage cuz the coverage with the bbc and other ministry media and that was kills the palestinians . they are complicit in the water crimes and by the same data complicit in the genocide, they would tell them to wake up because history with enough for getting them. it wouldn't be written down. it has to be that the bbc and the mist mendecy media. they enabled the genocide they are a genocide enabling, is there a would never be able to commit these genocide these 40 crimes without the uh, the cover of the color and the silver was provided to them by the ministry media.

so i would like to call them, i want them to, to, to watch the news, to watch the videos that come from goes on to be shaken to their core because those to are being killed and goes to our human. so there our brothers and sisters and children, and these people should, must be killed in despair. birth with children should never be killed. people with disabilities should not be bitten by a dog by dogs. and this was not only a case of dogs beating our bites in the palestinians. many, many of these of these cases where were improving in the media a women and old women was, was beaten by a dog before. as we have seen, a video of that, we have seen a lot of the children, a lot of a lot of body barts for children who were killed intentionally. and also a few days ago, there was a doctor who spoke to the media and he to and medic, and doctor and who, who say what you so talking about, i'll know i'll have to stop you bad more from the co founder of we're not numbers

after this break the, [000:00:00;00] the little girl sure. and you get away this on the line you more interested in the split change of changing the like the last, the similar to the, to look for the end of the was the share. but i see it was a share, but i see a little my game to live with the see. yeah. this you should be able to move or do it was still number sir,

that was missing here on this quarter because that is the tech request that i need the list of documents before. the great thing is that it does look like you have a student that has not because the stuff which has my product with them. now wake up with the dish, francesco, which is if the stump that's in the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the co founder of we'll not numbers ask with, oh no hardware they, i really interrupted you in the end of the one you were about to tell you a story about a surgeon in gaza. the yes, the surgeon, he wasn't garza, he was a parade's in good doing surgeries and goes on. he told the media that the kind of for the to ceiling cost that,

that he has seen in garza the cartridge that's happening in garza. he never so an equivalent of that in the modern history has been to many war, many words before many earthquakes, but you see he said that of everything that he has seen and his entire life doesn't match what he has seen and goes on the 1st a few weeks when he went there, it told that kids, children, what is night, they were killed intentionally. why those are in the army, this is what's happening. think awesome. this is what has become the fact. unfortunately, that was send me that doesn't cover that as they should. in fact, they are complicit and covering of for us, right? we know i want to keep the palestinian writer edward said the importance of culture . that's a, that's how west and you are begin to understand the importance of culture and therefore cultural censorship. so as well as media censorship. i mean, do you think you can tie in? i mean your project, we are not numbers people,

it and stuff culture in that way to why say we didn't hear really about on a donation media about the aging declaration, the unity of resistance. finally, a file of state and it's coming together over here occasionally is palestinians, guy the scores because this is what the media wants to know. they wants you to know everything the, the, what's the media wants to do. and what i thought about his son is when palestinians die is when the palestinians and may be don't you and a tech one is right. they would never tell you about the culture of, of the history of that assign. the history of the palestinians have been living in these lands before hundreds of years for millennia. and unfortunately, this is what the media intends to do. and this is what we are trying to the fi uh, through the work of we are not numbers. we tried to defy the was and media away breaking the stereotypes at the open house on the palestinians within the stories of palestinians with the struggling. we also tell the stories of the palestinians

in a bright way. we tell the culture we told history we until the so the civilization of the policy and people wait till a human. a story is behind the numbers actually open, see, and then using the were submitted. and this is very important because when people read about us, they will realize how much we are similar to each other. unfortunately, the was the media demonizes, the purchasing and all the time. the other thing is of the demons. and this, what makes the people the audiences and the wisdom of care much about the sun because they would think of us as we are different. we're not different. we are humans just like everyone else. in fact, we are and we are an amazing people. we are talented, we are powerful resilience we are, we are very ancient to be when we have been living there for thousands, a few years. we are the cause of civilization. we have the history is all the more important then to demonize palestinians as rapists. hence, the stories that were from page and use in nature, nation media,

and all the more important for british american in european union weaponry, then to target everything rather than just civilization. i think you've talked before about how many no need doctors would, professes all the universities of gaza as well as the hospitals you'll find that was in construction. that's engineering. building every element of civilization of the palestinians must be wiped out by these nato weaponry luminated. lumps, of course is when is there a last this genocide on the policy people did not target the mass. people did not target the militants, they would have very coincides with what they do and they wanted so to destroy the infrastructure of guns, or they wanted to destroy everything that gives way of life to the people and goes on. so from the beginning of the genocide, they started bumping and targeting university professors and the the, the most have permanent doctors in gauze right now. the number of health care workers who have been killed by is there instances genocide exceeded 500 people buy

from the doctors and nurses and health care professionals. over a $160.00 journalists were targeted what they're covering. the news from garza and they have been telling all the told from in to professors in gaza is that they're doing this because they, they wanted to other people in gauze or that you don't have a way of living can cause i. and they, the policy maybe would have to do because this is nick lynn saying genocide, then they can think of the policy and people and how can they do it and they get the ends and getting garza without destroying the infrastructure without destroying those, the permanent people that giving way of life and goes to like health care workers and doctors and professors and teachers, they have to do that so that the people in cause i need cause and whatever. so this is manufactured. it's a plant. they know exactly what they're doing. they're not just getting by mistake, they're not just sitting connect unintentionally. they know where they are coming. when they bump my family, they knew who was in my, in my home,

and the boomed nonetheless. they knew that there is, but is one of the safe areas that was instructed by is, are in and in october. but the boom, my family, when they were sleeping in their homes, they know what they're doing. and they're doing it intentionally because they want to destroy everything that gives way of life. to garza and obviously the top side of kaiser has been destroyed the museums, the archaeology rather than in some way that the anglo american israel backdoor and syria where they tried to destroy palomino. and when does it the world? how, how did it help you to write and create the co found we in the numbers of to your brother's death, a my, my, my brother, but it was built in 2014 and the last 4 in the previous one goes on 2014 and what stuck to me at that time is that someone who spoke english, i realize that there was some media doesn't care much about the policy is really just numbers with no one cares about us. no one cares about the resort as we have

just described as the service and the meeting. and then i was, i was asked by an american journalist who cares about about a senior sort of story about my brother then writing the story about my brother, the process of writing a story about my brother and then sharing it with the world was some sort of therapy to me it was setup should take to right. and then we, we started to know we decided to would definitely kate what's happened to his media at this american journalist for many other palestinians. and 2 big the stereotypes to get the policy is up to lots for which they really own to tell their story is without the medium is that is a bit misrepresentation or, or miss information, a platform in which the policy is comes right. there's so is it, is it on hand or just just to be themselves and this platform? i'm not, i'm not sure how much of hollywood or british publish is made to publish its own,

but if it moved, okay, actually if gotten onto eh, redressing this balance as regards the culture aside from culture though, a lot of talk of multi polar world and a different era we're entering. do you think we could ever see russia in china or into the war on the side of the palestinians? or do you expect this present war to read your final genocidal conclusion as well as a believe it or not? i don't want to rush on a china to come into water because this will bring like a world war 3 or something. what i want is an end of the genocide and of this must occur and into this conflict between as written and published. but, you know, britain continues under, so i guess thomas saying he wants to continue boring the weapons in, you know, the trump, and kamala harris, who received the outputs of $5000000.00 from the is really low, be a back if you didn't know, you know,

you know the gym and the foreign minister of this week was with the uh, british, british defense minister, the gym, and the mentor. as the story is said, the genetic neos, a minister, you'll have gland, whatever we can do to support you. there's no signs of any stopping of the war on the people of guys. is that yes, that is. unfortunately, there are no as many signs of subbing this genocide thing does of what i want to happen. i want to enter this genocide and cause i know not only this genocide, but i also won this conflict to the end to end once i'm sort of redoing $24.00. so we don't want to china and russia to engage in a war against the west. i don't, so then what will, what will happen because netanyahu and congress said he wanted men to the war to a presumably the way he wants to watch where it is went be with the extermination of every man, woman and child in gaza. of course, of course, as a once peace in the region, only when there are no pettis enhancing the region,

they want to be spaced on according to their own, an ideal to g. and so is your hope with amazing declaration that the resistance we really have. i don't really have hopes on a china or russia, and unfortunately, i wish there is a bigger role that they can play. i don't have much hope on them. to be honest. what do we have seen into china recently when they did this reconciliation between the power to sing infections is a good to say, i encourage that, but at the same time, i don't have much hope because we have seen a lot of the considerations that happen between the purchasing infections never came to add to a to, to life actually. so i have a lot of folks, but unfortunately this tuition is very unique and i really want to rush around to china to be involved in this conflict. the forces that i have to stop the pressure is that i to stop by don't think pressure and to try and that will engage in

a war against us for it just stopped. so we just have to wait for this american seas, but i mean, what did it make you feel when you saw the united states invest as the united nations then to thomas greenfield, put her hand up to veto. is these 5 resolution of the security council, or they wouldn't do that? of course they would do that because i view america, i few that you i view the us as partners to us are there? no they're, they're no much different. they're the same people for me as the usa. they are the same country that is wedging of genocide again, but against the policy that people to america with its weapons, with its diplomacy, with its coverage, they have enabled as their end to commit the genocide. so of course that would be to and then there would be to any decision to enforce the ceasefire and in gaza. this is expected of them and it's very sad. it's very, very sad that the u. s. is in a blink is right, but they made it very clear that as there is a friend and there are a lie and the support thing is there no matter what. so i wasn't surprised. it just

made me angry. but at the center on the sort of price break. so do you think the last name pag just finally? i mean, so many of your family died as, as much as for palestine, but actually the last, the impact will be instability in their own countries in the united states, in western europe, in britain because the populations of the lines of states and britain support well seem to support you and don't support their government. i don't want to see in a submitted to you in the west. i just want the was send governments to stop. it's complicity against the policy and people against disability and people didn't cause i just want the governments to change course because if they don't to change course, i don't think it's will help them or with who their people. the people in the west are waking up and i don't think that people will what's up a lot with the complicity of their governments against the people inside of science

. so i just one of these governments to change course now and forever. luckily, although thank you. a thank you very much and that's it for the show. i continued condolences to all those very value a us you, i'm genocide will be back on monday with formal united nations assistance equity general michael on the showing bug until then keep in touch by the social media and soft sense that in your country. and i do i channel going underground tv hon to come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see monday the

the a rocket strikes plains, dozens of casualties in the israel. they control the ball on heights. the idea of claims has the lies behind the attack, while the militant group denies any involvement. today it had a hey, this dry, that close the destruction. as you might see. the idea of hits a school sheltering this place, palestinians, and central gaza killing 31 people. that's according to the enclave. helped him industry and a bearded man in dresses parodying with an order of the ventures the last supper. and what seems to be the horsemen of the apocalypse, the parents olympics,