[000:00:00;00] the i'm action or tennessee and welcome back to going underground broadcasting around the world from the u, a. e. what's to become of us by sole western europe and now a month after elections, which proved how it's off. a 1000000000 population do not support it's a n t piece. negotiation lead is a recent poll showed close on 90 percent of the people of nature belligerents like the usa, germany, and france and britain want a negotiated piece and ukraine. well, blinking is in tokyo today, organizing paths and we'll, we'll preparations against china with australia and the japanese and indian kinds of pods. the new head of the british army. meanwhile,

times the u. k. has to be ready full war on russia, china, iran, and north korea within 3 is joining me now from you. capital brussels is vx united nations assistant secretary general. michael, financial and bugs be elected m e p with this are wagon, exact alliance or reason and just this policy in the or if you in bottom and thanks so much for coming on for me. you and assistant secretary general, you've uh, you mean warning of world war in recent weeks yesterday booting celebrated the power of the russian navy and that's well blinking. it's amazing is maybe woman good quad partners in tokyo, britain double down. oh, more with rush or it seems what is the schultz position that let us live on the land? of course, who was re elected the head of the parliament to uh, is it like uh, i don't know they, they still think one guy though is the president of venezuela. i don't know if he

has any real position. i say he seems to run always behind history and say a softer west, everything. but that's the have a strategy behind it. i doubt and a much i think the, the gym government is completely overburdened by, by this war and being engaged in this one. i don't think he himself is of them longer, but he ends up all the time to say yes and at something in addition. now i probably know more about the european problem as what happens here than i know it's in germany. but um, but uh, i think germany is going to pay the price for the, for this in the size of the, to it. so we have to the wall, of course we have to have a peace peace negotiations and things like this on the comp. i continue this rumbling around that we will, that'd be have to be ready for war. and the thing is, i guess, one of the things that you still when the war and things like i said, it's completely unrealistic policy sizing. so when you're watching from brussel, even more than it was probably a year, a year ago when you're watching for brussels, boris,

the story is the drum and the drum and the defense minister who is with johnny, the bridge counterpart of the other day, comparing food into hit to a and, and does it tell me about boris victorious? actually, i mean, is good showed as deputy chief of stuff. and the, what does he mean? i mean that alone, this avoiding israel to the hilt in a, in a village genocide in this region. i thing you, i'm the wrong person. your oscar haven't lived in germany since 1978. you know, it was always busy. you went outside, i've never come back now i come on. it's the 1st time back. i think the i don't understand them. and actually i as you know, it's a policy, they pass you, which they are going to lose, they are going to lose because it is something that you will not be able to. they will not be able to maintain such a policy for a long time. i mean, you're saying that, but i don't know and we'll get back to the are being problem a bit. yeah. the russian goodness marguerite,

the tele margarete system on. yeah. and of i t u i t use general release to the world lead conversations, a gentleman offices discussing the use of taurus, missiles target in russia. what's the reaction in new york in palm and balloon and abundance tag or in june? i mean, the use of fuzzy a minute cool. i didn't know whether you listen to it, whether it's just talking about targeting missiles into russia is or yeah, of course it's somebody like, oh no. but uh, yeah, i mean, i mean, that's a situation. i think if you haven't political lead, which is completely detached from, from reality reality in their own country reality around them. because i thing the, what happens in, in ukraine is not pretty sure i say, you know, way which direction is going to go. and if you see the changes in the united states and things like this one, i think germany does something which is, is unexplainable from the i just cons. explain it a, it was a connect, explain what happens. you enter your pin problem, it's z. you're saying it's pretty obvious that a zalinski is going to lose the war,

but that's not reflected in the newspapers you're getting on the last of all, i mean, the last of all, i mean this, this is a type of thing. the now couldn't catch them to continue the war by people who, who don't have a son or daughter in the wall who don't have any coverage child coming back. i mean, i've seen was, was as nothing here roy about was i've seen a lot of voice in my life. there's nothing here really getting the internet. there's never every night in it. and we still see that we can continue this war and try and have it we know against the restaurant. it will not happen. yeah, but i mean the, the by the ministration says, is now was to station long range new to a capable miss. i was at ram shooting at base, a thousands, i mean they already host thousands of us soldiers, obviously on germany, german land. i mean, what do you think would be western europeans? i'm thinking of all these, a huge developments. i mean, i mentioned britain earlier, they pledged 3000000000 pounds every yeah, way, more guns and ammunition. they're not listening to what you were saying about the hundreds of thousands of lives lost of men, women,

and children and ukraine. you know, as a sort of, i feel the 1st of all of the stationing all of these attack themselves on jet them . territory would be, i think, in 2 years or some, i think it's actually a sign of weakness. it's not assigned a strengths. it's, you know, the, they feel they lose the war and they have not the strength of nato. they have for you to that, that all this public i'm the, that routine wants to have coffee and building on the enough and so on. i see what these basic you do trying to defend live. you have still have nato because at the end of this war, nathan will be in a big crisis. and i think it would be more prices if you have a next president. that's carbon truck. mr. trump, nato is in big trouble for it's future. and yet, you know, it's all this thing, the defendants and we have to go big strategies. i think it's all the sign of weakness is of course, a dangerous one, but it's a sign of weakness. but you read the newspapers that come on your desk in brussels,

there was an m e p and what all of them will watch the tv, presumably, obviously television stations, newspapers, lots of the band in west, in europe. what does it feel like they have your ideas in brussels knowing the in time media or is presenting this as zalinski will when if very more weapons in more subsidies and more german tank sent to the front line. let me say just something about the european parliament because, you know, i'm here on the since what for days? i mean, it wasn't, it's it of course instruct book. i was actually shocked, and i've seen a lot of nasty things in my life, but i was shocked by the language used. and that's 5 fun. the deputies out of $700.00 voted for the wars and lucian, i mean, it was nothing else. and the more at least resolution in a more that is already in it. in the 3rd. yeah. in the sense yeah,

usually you have and resolution which sort of try to find ways all of the assessment absolutely nothing. it speaks about that we have to continue the want to ukraine when civil war against pressure. so i shall be defeated. it speaks about the special quote that all the russian politicians have to be present at the to it . it speaks about brush up having to pay for all the costs it speak on, especially it's a set of shopping normally negotiations and they cut down on open. i mean, as you call and have more lots of reality and touch strategies in this part of resolution. because this resolution the, you basically have said good bye to participating in any solutions for i'll see you create more. and this is a very dangerous thing because it's of, on europe, in territory with the biggest organizations about europe and car in territory is led by it's unrealistic to months, it can not possibly possibly reach especially not europe. look at brought this week and not just making that mean. who else is that for me that maybe mrs. maloney,

the attack is would never do anything. i mean, we do it via the mocked anything that will never never happen. and in this, in the after tune, obvious, a war is unbelievable, and i'm here and then i going yes with the car doors and i see all of this war rhetoric i, i, i, i'm, i'm just flabbergasted. and i can see, i mean, i've seen a lot of was and i know how to develop and i know how negotiations go. it was in quietness, but we don't even have quite take with you since we have nothing. you are p s basic . the say good bye to is solution on his own. come come thing that i mean, you can't be crazy. i've done this means that lensky is that by president. my very clear. i hope i'm about to accept the landscape. i present the looks, i didn't, you know, i compare this to the ronnie rock boy you know about to do was us and it was a is a ceasefire. the language for you see in the parliament i think is more aggressive than what i've experienced in the wrong. is this unbelievable. i mean,

and i think if you have such a expressive language, it is usually people who don't have an idea of how to get out of something as well . they've heard of nuclear weapons, is always it by and by being more aggressive. but it, of course, the reality is what it is and in moss is a real thing. and the, and, and, and you won't change of visit with me that change of language. and so, you know, if you look at this one, i mean, do the estimate, you look at this, what we have the public opinion in europe has its own reflect public opinion. any more was this resolution, you know, we know that in the united states as basically say, i mean whatever you say about 5 and even then i think the effects basically say good bye to the small. i've seen the americans in enough contest on the rock. how could easy davis draw from something they felt they couldn't ring anymore? and, and of course we have the whole house. i mean, it's just also what know, besides, i know it's not the good word. but i mean, nobody supports the europe is, is isolated. what's europe?

it's 5 percent of the population, maybe 5 in the office and, and declining and be, be still behaved. when we listen to the language of missiles from the line, the behavior this, we are great paula in the world and you know and be decided. sanctions, everybody would shrink and say yes, as soon as we do what you want, it doesn't happen anymore. the world has changed to all these people. us live on the land. morales being replaced, i understand the foreign policy chief of the they may know, plan b, or contingency for. if washington decides, forget to lensky, it's over enough subsidy to take care of about the notice already. i mean, you know, that the united states is drawing from this war and it, i mean, i may likely be, i have a trump there and then these a so, you know, be, i do it early and i think he's right the will do it. and um, and he doesn't over our heads. and so the danger really,

for europe is that we have an agreement on the how to end the war in ukraine without any of all participation. and the result will be that we will have to pay the bill because it will be a very expensive end of or wherever you have collapsed ukraine, very likely. but if you have enough people fleeing still, there will be a lot of misery usually. you know, at the end of washing sings, developed much worse and during the war which keeps things from altogether. i mean, the ending of a was that was easy, a terrible thing and it could cost us billions. we don't have, i mean, the gym government already announced that going to something that they will next. yeah. off their contribution to the ukraine. i mean, what does this one? i mean, it's a bit tre of, you know, that ukraine will not become involved. the european union, we know they will not become involved and they throw this this out. it's called, it's a question my view and the people use it next to in the, to your being a union building in these buildings with europe and union. i mean, do you think they are being brainwashed? they actually believe persian wants to invade mullin or do they,

or are they being bribed somehow to the right? no, no, no, no, no, the what, so why did they think, i mean, do they think they do it and wants to invade, been in and brussels, the number of people, which i think are very serious, which i've said and you believe that if you don't do you know, something people have putting into you said that's why we as they speak about the 2 years, we have to be ready for war and is all the things that yeah, this, i think a lot of the, i mean, i couldn't kind of, i mean, not being over outside in my life, like i'm so strong that people, as i know say this and it's a completely unrealistic thing. you know, the, what interests me most he, i want to i or the question i asked myself to austin, why? he's of highly educated people who sit in these parliaments and all the rest of it . why does it take this position? they must see that that what is different than what they present it is. and i have no only one onset to this one. and that is, and i, you know,

i've left most of my life in this house. oh, what do you call that? along with some countries. we realize that it's that we live in what shots call that site and been the only not the size. and then the human, you know, at the time of change must have change. the dominance of the western world, which is mostly a wide world, is coming to an end. the nice things, especially the middle classes, realize that this ukraine, more if it ends for them badly image, it looks at the us it, we also have long term impact on, on how they're seen in the unlikely most like a whole other shows. i use michael on his own without stop you. the more from jeremy is news are welcome to connect the line and send me the info. when you and assistant secretary general after this break the hello and welcome to across the board. here we discuss the wheel in

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i'm still here with for me you in the systems equity general and president german member of european problem in michael and to show them back. michael, we were talking about the cognitive dissonance of your fellow. i mean piece in brussels. you know, it was only the other day that we had reports of 43 british special services as a s maybe s b, you killed by russia in odessa. then in germany, there's supposed to be this report on the north stream pipeline. we've had sy hersh who exposed to the us involvement in the and what did you make of germany refusing to really sort stream investigation results? and is that not a debates in the european parliament, the largest environmental catastrophe? a man made perhaps in history, in terms of methane emissions because of the node stream pipelines, applying energy to germany from russia. my are the few days i'm here, nothing is about it. and if you think if you want to protect environment green deal,

i mean nothing is worse for the environment and the walks and the even these military operations probably produce more c o 2. but the kids have all our cost of them diesel. and no, there isn't, is no, it is also one sign of the nice thing. it's fee a, i sing really. it is fee. it essentially it's fee a to face reality. and the t is that the world has changed. it has not changed because of the ukraine war, but it can be ukraine walks in the rates, the whole thing, you know. and then the bulk of its doctoring came in mind the tool, you know, saying, you know, the united states as now the only superpower it has to have is the responsibility, blah, blah, blah. and to, to, to bring on up to the world. it's not anymore. i mean, the united states just economically technologically, politically, not anymore. it's about maybe still militarily, but it's interesting sing, assisted by the oldest, strong military. they lose all the boys. and i know as quite the opposite,

which i experience myself. yeah, i think the west is an evey d, a situation. and what we see in these elections in the united states, between trump and, and buying an icing, a symptoms off of the western world, which is actually losing out the losing and the european union as somebody from the line. just because we want to realize that you need a different policy. you cannot become a super policy. she wants to, to have a huge state that you know where the ukraine and john john minova and all the rest of the company becomes sort of as is such a huge paula. and we want now to invest the military and have all and military and things like that so it won't happen. lucky, it wouldn't happen. yeah, i mentioned, i mentioned before the solution. i'm gonna just say $43.00, but the special services it killed or wounded, not killed, but it's all a secret. and is the point that the,

these people like us have on the land and getting their information from somewhere else to where you're getting your information from to have this vision of the world that they have. where are they getting their information to be the i don't know, i, it sounds me the oregon but, you know, i've been all my life in these countries. i've seen so many was, i mean i have a different take on how that all works. you know? yeah. they always and these capital, it's amazing that you know, this is what this but the like, i can't explain any other way for me. it's a mystery a little bit. i think it's, it's great via that the losing the losing all dominance. i mean, look at the nato look at nato racing next to are so important for us a but if you're sitting in yeah, or in in cane, you know, i south africa. oh and not in america. what do you see? you see a military lions of the ex colonial palace operating most of the lights. and you know, this is of course is contacting the con,

stay on like this. yeah. but of course, joseph burrell, the foreign policy chief, said the rest of the world is a jungle compared to the god and of europe. and he's just a boy doesn't even know what of what john domain is. that means far as that may be true to be made happy if you have some force. he's being replaced by this estonian guy a call us. who said that the important thing here is the end of the russian federation for the whole of russian to be broken up. yeah, i have the wording of it is, i am the guy. you know, i wanted to ask you some questions when it comes to or, you know, if you have such a resolution which say snow negotiations even we all have to go for victory. and same time as mrs. calla as to present the european union. in that phone policy, i mean, oh do you think is going to talk to us? nobody. we are not strong enough to do it. it just will happen. overall i have, i mean, trump is a lot of negotiate this. china, them is us 3. i completely use this as we behave,

use this as it is for our content that that's such a long political history. so many think as so many philosophers that the come to a point been reduced such a serious thing is this resolution. it's almost unbelievable for me. it is unbelievable. and you're going to try and speak in the european parliament about that? no, they didn't give me any why. so i made a video saying the angry on the what? oh no, i really did. you already did the okay. the describe to you, this is all the things you know, you can not the talk you and, and just dominated this this, you know, this parliament. and i think we have probably a bigger chance to talk to the public because the public changes in the public is very of war. the public is very of, of a decline. and in the social about being in that line of the purchasing power of the salaries and things like this from this is where we have to talk the have you

have to have it changed if, if the more people vote for us, because we are the only piece spot, the real piece body, if you take it and he's right, reading things, boy in germany, actually almost in all europe. i mean, if you don't have something similar, i'm in australia or in the netherlands to countries i know and the other on france . i mean, this is a, i think, is all take this a very important, very important, a new addition to the political scene. and i will do everything that we are successful because i think it's important for your kind of course to know what will be important to other working classes of your of what will the economic impact of people like kaya call us, seeking the end of russia, of a sholtes allowing a nuclear capable misfire, a long range missiles in germany, continuation of the war through ukraine, up until maybe the november elections anyway. we'll see can long term economic impact of all of these decisions are to be made over the past couple of years in

european capital steps the impact already. i mean, do you have an almost decline into purchasing power off of small salaries? you know, those people sitting like me in the parliament, they won't feel that because we get enormous amount of money. so if you have installation via, you know, the industry is declining a via d in this rising for germany, yet psychologically very important aspect. and you know, the cutoff house off from the natural resources which couldn't get from a job, you cut themselves off from the markets going markets in asia. if you have no trouble over the transatlantic, i mean this is not going to go well, i mean, look at this in the sections restaurant, scroll by 3.6 percent and jimmy is going to something you can find it falling into decline. i mean, we have to realize what they're doing is not going to can not continue. it can not continue, it must break. and one day a while the rest of the world expands and as you say, west and your declines may be to recession,

maybe it's in slump. i don't know cook's cook's the books there in front. we've seen gains from the left and you'll look better show spotty and the others. in germany. we've seen the rise of the a if the will it will be to the rise of fascism in western europe. this economic decline will. will there be more progressive forces that will benefit from this economic decline caused by the war and ukraine? respect onto this question x cross. i don't know. i don't thing that frustrates my battery in germany was never fascism. it wasn't any time you and thing. i mean, neo nazi isn't i don't thing has, i know, i don't think that will go that far, but people vote for poppies which have more extreme solutions because they are so upset by the, by the stop this politics name and that is going to continue and i think what we hope from the vs v that'd be can harvest on this one from a policy which is maybe more on,

on reasoning and social responsibility and things like this one more defending democracy. my issue today at a press release also about democracy in this problem. and so i think that if we can be successful and if we can now we know also the local elections and industry driven states. that would be a very good site. and also for the rest of europe, that's a, it's a market for p poppies which actually talk more like some of our most uh you said that the rush or violates of the un charter. and it's a reaction to uh, from vacation. uh, they say obviously from the nato powers in the eastern ukraine. but now you seem to be saying that it is your opinion power. is that a breaking the spiritual? be you in charge older, you enjoyed it by outgoing negotiations. a r i c. then you haven't

read this, is this thing probably, you know, i'm, i'm saying of course that, that in an asian or another country is a brand breach of the, of the you and shot that. but you know, there's this and it'd be, you know, but then so you and try that as much more because you're in charge as 1st of all saying that you should negotiate. and they refuse to negotiate to the run up to the more and b b, b, y, cause of the negotiation and peace, negotiation between the restaurant of ukraine. and also now you say, even in a document like this, a resolution that he will not negotiate or even say that one of my i think our patients that i think that this resolution is actually also a breach of the un charter. because into you and shot the old member states agreed that they wanted to prevent want to limit the war by negotiating peace. and if you go ahead, have a resolution like this one. having a vicious, it's a, a, a most defeating another country and his name, that'd be the same. you don't negotiate and then strongly,

not in line as you and child us or the child as more complicated than just simply that the saying that russia violated. so you're in charge of this much more through it and you are an assistant secretary general at the united nations. doesn't that hold any weight or power in the are being followed with your colleagues or? yeah, i'm to you. yeah, i, i, i will get more. i'll talk also to everybody, you know, i'm, i'm not, you know, i, but, you know, i'm day that, you know, it's just started to be stopped on the 16th of july. so don't ask me how that is all going to happen. and the 1st thing was this resolution, which i saw to come up some of these trucking shopping shopping. i also got not trucking because of rush out trucking because of the future of europe itself. i'm more concerned about europe than about russia. what's going to happen to us if he, if he continues such policies? michael wanted to show them back. thank you. thank you. thank. so that's it for the show. i'll continue condolences meanwhile to those very by u. k. u. s. u,

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